Shooting at Trump Rally

[Spellbound454]

Jul 23, 2024 10:32:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle resigns

US Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has tendered her resignation amid scrutiny of security lapses related to the recent assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump, sources tell CNN.

There is a basic human being side to situations like this that always affects me. We have a person who has spent 27 years building a career. Along side that career, she has a life like we all have/have had with expenses based on her salary. Now, all of sudden in her mid-fifties, because other people fucked up, it is all gone. Picking up the pieces and moving forward has to be a daunting task. I feel for her.

No surprises really.

The buck stops with her ..... and they got it wrong

[thyme4change]

Jul 23, 2024 10:32:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle resigns

US Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has tendered her resignation amid scrutiny of security lapses related to the recent assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump, sources tell CNN.

There is a basic human being side to situations like this that always affects me. We have a person who has spent 27 years building a career. Along side that career, she has a life like we all have/have had with expenses based on her salary. Now, all of sudden in her mid-fifties, because other people fucked up, it is all gone. Picking up the pieces and moving forward has to be a daunting task. I feel for her.

This is what leadership is. Responsibility and risk.

[billisonboard]

Yes, no surprise and there is that risk. Because it is absolutely necessary for our system to function for individuals to step forward to accept responsibility and take the risk, I am thankful for those who do it. And feel empathy when they have it blow up through no fault of their own.

[pulmonarymd]

Funny how Trump sustains a minor injury, everyone is up in arms, and Republicans wanted a hide, and she took responsibility. Yet republicans want us to re-elect someone who was in charge during a global pandemic that led to 1 million dead Americans, did nothing to deal with it, and takes no responsiblity for the dead.

The party of personal responsibility, right!

[thyme4change]

Jul 23, 2024 13:05:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Funny how Trump sustains a minor injury, everyone is up in arms, and Republicans wanted a hide, and she took responsibility. Yet republicans want us to re-elect someone who was in charge during a global pandemic that led to 1 million dead Americans, did nothing to deal with it, and takes no responsiblity for the dead.

The party of personal responsibility, right!

One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic.

BTW - that lady will get a job in the private sector and possibly triple her salary.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 23, 2024 13:12:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 23, 2024 13:05:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Funny how Trump sustains a minor injury, everyone is up in arms, and Republicans wanted a hide, and she took responsibility. Yet republicans want us to re-elect someone who was in charge during a global pandemic that led to 1 million dead Americans, did nothing to deal with it, and takes no responsiblity for the dead.

The party of personal responsibility, right!

One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic.

BTW - that lady will get a job in the private sector and possibly triple her salary.

And we the people lose a person who wants to do a difficult and thankless job, and discourages how many more people who would consider a career in public service. 

[billisonboard]

Likely to get a job, quite probably. In watching some of her testimony, she appeared to me to have a passionate attachment to serving her nation during a 27 year career protecting our leaders. But, hey, money.

[Opti]

Jul 23, 2024 12:55:49 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Yes, no surprise and there is that risk. Because it is absolutely necessary for our system to function for individuals to step forward to accept responsibility and take the risk, I am thankful for those who do it. And feel empathy when they have it blow up through no fault of their own.

But where is Trump stepping up in his responsibility as a rich well monied candidate? He is clearly at some fault for making the Secret Service work in suboptimal conditions because he is cheap and likes not paying venues, towns and local law enforcement.
Why is he not accepting personal responsibility and stepping down as a candidate? The GE isn't until November. They can have a special convention of the delegates and pick someone younger and more responsible with govt resources.

[Opti]

Decision comes after brutal hearing, days of mounting pressure

Cheatle’s decision also came after days of mounting pressure from lawmakers and intense scrutiny over security failures at Trump's rally July 13 in Butler, Pennsylvania.



Trump was nicked in the ear after Crooks fired an AR-style assault rifle. The shooter had climbed up a nearby rooftop and fired off as many as eight shots, killing Pennsylvania firefighter Corey Comperatore and injuring two other men before being “neutralized” by a Secret Service countersniper, the agency said.


www.yahoo.com/news/secret-director-steps-down-assassination-143441325.html

[Opti]

I would like to request a special prosecutor to investigate the culpability of Trump's campaign in the lack of security for the candidate.

[obelisk]

Jul 23, 2024 13:12:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 23, 2024 13:05:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Funny how Trump sustains a minor injury, everyone is up in arms, and Republicans wanted a hide, and she took responsibility. Yet republicans want us to re-elect someone who was in charge during a global pandemic that led to 1 million dead Americans, did nothing to deal with it, and takes no responsiblity for the dead.

The party of personal responsibility, right!

One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic.

BTW - that lady will get a job in the private sector and possibly triple her salary.

I agree with this post 100%

[thyme4change]

Jul 23, 2024 16:18:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

I would like to request a special prosecutor to investigate the culpability of Trump's campaign in the lack of security for the candidate.

I’m pretty sure they asked that question during the hearing.

Even if Trump’s campaign was at fault - what crime do you think they committed? Special Prosecutors look for crimes, not blame.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 23, 2024 13:05:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Funny how Trump sustains a minor injury, everyone is up in arms, and Republicans wanted a hide, and she took responsibility. Yet republicans want us to re-elect someone who was in charge during a global pandemic that led to 1 million dead Americans, did nothing to deal with it, and takes no responsiblity for the dead.

The party of personal responsibility, right!

the most failed president in at least 150 years.  check.
the most criminal administration in American history.  check.
the president responsible for more Americans dying than any in our history.  check.
fired the last time he fucked everything up.  check.

and he is the GOP candidate?

what is wrong with you guys?

[djAdvocate]

Jul 23, 2024 20:59:57 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 23, 2024 16:18:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

I would like to request a special prosecutor to investigate the culpability of Trump's campaign in the lack of security for the candidate.

I’m pretty sure they asked that question during the hearing.

Even if Trump’s campaign was at fault - what crime do you think they committed? Special Prosecutors look for crimes, not blame.

how about this:

Trump could not use indoor venues any more because he never pays.
therefore, he has to take outdoor venues where there is VASTLY more risk to his person.

and yet he is not in any way responsible for this?

when you put your security detail in an impossible position on the regular, and expect them to be perfect, i am not sure that is right.

i suspect nobody will be found at fault, here.

[Opti]

Jul 24, 2024 0:54:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 23, 2024 20:59:57 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I’m pretty sure they asked that question during the hearing.

Even if Trump’s campaign was at fault - what crime do you think they committed? Special Prosecutors look for crimes, not blame.

how about this:

Trump could not use indoor venues any more because he never pays.
therefore, he has to take outdoor venues where there is VASTLY more risk to his person.

and yet he is not in any way responsible for this?

when you put your security detail in an impossible position on the regular, and expect them to be perfect, i am not sure that is right.

i suspect nobody will be found at fault, here.

And I know, that is a personal choice Trump the candidate made, not his campaign. 

And what did Trump get out of this preplanned gambit after an attempt was made on his life?

He was able to get fired a woman the head of SS, who was appointed by Joe Biden
In return he gets the man below her who may be a perfectly fine human being, but as a late-night comic frankly his pic
screams white supremacist working a govt job. I hope that isn't the case, but I popped up his bio and interestingly
he worked in West Palm Beach, FL. I forget if that was as police or not, but there are touchstones that suggest he could
be a deep state Trumper or at least very sympathetic to such.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-to-know-about-new-acting-secret-service-director-ronald-rowe/ar-BB1quPZ6?ocid=BingNewsSerp




He was assigned to the Presidential Protective Detail from 2004 to 2008 (W was President) and was deployed to New York City as part of the USSS response to 9/11.

"During his 24-year career with the U.S. Secret Service, Mr. Rowe has also coordinated major security operations, collaborating with other government and law-enforcement agencies," his biography reads.

Flashback: His career with the agency began in 1999, and he previously served as a police officer in West Palm Peach, Florida. (HAHAHA typo should be Beach, Mar a Lago is located in Palm Beach, FL  I believe the towns are next to each other, but I could be wrong)

[billisonboard]

I'm not sure what Trump "gets" with this new director. Why does it matter to him?

[jerseygirl]

Jul 23, 2024 13:05:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Funny how Trump sustains a minor injury, everyone is up in arms, and Republicans wanted a hide, and she took responsibility. Yet republicans want us to re-elect someone who was in charge during a global pandemic that led to 1 million dead Americans, did nothing to deal with it, and takes no responsiblity for the dead.

The party of personal responsibility, right!

Curious why you say Trump did nothing to deal with the pandemic ? An effective vaccine within a record short time? That’s nothing?

[Tennesseer]

Jul 24, 2024 10:41:28 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Jul 23, 2024 13:05:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Funny how Trump sustains a minor injury, everyone is up in arms, and Republicans wanted a hide, and she took responsibility. Yet republicans want us to re-elect someone who was in charge during a global pandemic that led to 1 million dead Americans, did nothing to deal with it, and takes no responsiblity for the dead.

The party of personal responsibility, right!

Curious why you say Trump did nothing to deal with the pandemic ? An effective vaccine within a record short time? That’s nothing?

Great ideas, don.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 24, 2024 10:41:28 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Jul 23, 2024 13:05:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Funny how Trump sustains a minor injury, everyone is up in arms, and Republicans wanted a hide, and she took responsibility. Yet republicans want us to re-elect someone who was in charge during a global pandemic that led to 1 million dead Americans, did nothing to deal with it, and takes no responsiblity for the dead.

The party of personal responsibility, right!

Curious why you say Trump did nothing to deal with the pandemic ? An effective vaccine within a record short time? That’s nothing?

Which he now disavows. And how many people died prior to the vaccine that might not have if he had one rational thought, instead of listening to whack jobs and his own stupidity. He gets minimal credit for the vaccine. Pharma would have worked on one regardless of what he did. he has a significant amount of blood on his hands, although I don not expect you to agree

[jerseygirl]

Jul 24, 2024 10:47:50 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 24, 2024 10:41:28 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Curious why you say Trump did nothing to deal with the pandemic ? An effective vaccine within a record short time? That’s nothing?

Great ideas, don.

Really? Just musings from a non medical person. Somehow OTHERS now say he told people to inject bleach. Nope but makes for good political soundbites.

Politics distorts much

[jerseygirl]

Jul 24, 2024 10:51:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 24, 2024 10:41:28 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Curious why you say Trump did nothing to deal with the pandemic ? An effective vaccine within a record short time? That’s nothing?

Which he now disavows. And how many people died prior to the vaccine that might not have if he had one rational thought, instead of listening to whack jobs and his own stupidity. He gets minimal credit for the vaccine. Pharma would have worked on one regardless of what he did. he has a significant amount of blood on his hands, although I don not expect you to agree

Yes pharma would have produced the vaccines but there was significant push to get fast approvals. I’ve worked for many years with the FDA and other countries regulatory and this was a difficult but effective accomplishment in record times.

Also spent significant government resources to get the (free) vaccine to the population. But politics now dismiss this. For myself I was very grateful to get the vaccine especially for our very high risk DIL
Yes it was disorganized but vaccine was in very short supply at that time for the large population

[billisonboard]

Jul 24, 2024 11:25:07 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Jul 24, 2024 10:47:50 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Great ideas, don.

Really? Just musings from a non medical person. Somehow OTHERS now say he told people to inject bleach. Nope but makes for good political soundbites.

Politics distorts much

Actually, just musings from the President of the United States at the official daily briefing during a national health crisis. This non-medical person needed to very briefly make a generic encouraging statement, then turn the stage over to medical experts. However, his ego would not allow him do that. He realized the spotlight was not on him so he used his power to regain it, resulting in less than optimal results for the nation.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 24, 2024 11:32:28 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Jul 24, 2024 10:51:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Which he now disavows. And how many people died prior to the vaccine that might not have if he had one rational thought, instead of listening to whack jobs and his own stupidity. He gets minimal credit for the vaccine. Pharma would have worked on one regardless of what he did. he has a significant amount of blood on his hands, although I don not expect you to agree

Yes pharma would have produced the vaccines but there was significant push to get fast approvals. I’ve worked for many years with the FDA and other countries regulatory and this was a difficult but effective accomplishment in record times.

Also spent significant government resources to get the (free) vaccine to the population. But politics now dismiss this. For myself I was very grateful to get the vaccine especially for our very high risk DIL
Yes it was disorganized but vaccine was in very short supply at that time for the large population

Again, a moron knew we needed a vaccine. It is pandemic 101. Not all that impressive. Thankfully, Trump stayed out of the way in the development, and allowed the FDA to fast track it. You refuse to acknowledge the HARM Trump did in every other way in dealing with the pandemic, which led to an excess of 500k deaths, most of them pre-vaccine. As I said, he has blood on his hands, but you will not accept that

[jerseygirl]

But even with the vaccine there were more US deaths under Biden when there was much more known about COVID
Think you’re the one that refuses to admit because politics
I’ll leave it there cause politics cloud the facts

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 24, 2024 11:56:13 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

But even with the vaccine there were more US deaths under Biden when there was much more known about COVID
Think you’re the one that refuses to admit because politics
I’ll leave it there cause politics cloud the facts

Maybe you need to understand epidemiology better. Once a disease is in wide circulation, no amount of contact tracing or risk minimization will control it. We lost the battle in Spring/Summer 2020. Who was President? What policies were in place. What occurred in December 2020/early January 2021? Did you forget the Omicron surge. How was Biden responsible for that? You are blaming Biden for Trump's screw ups. Just like a second Oncologist is not to blame if the first Oncologist screws up Treatment if the patient dies, the same applies here. I am sure your son, the Orthopedic Surgeon, loves fixing other surgeons mistakes. Biden had to clean up Trump's mess.

The fact that the numbers for deaths are so close, even though Trump had less than a year of COVID speaks volumes.

ETA: I had to deal with people asking for hydoxychloroquine and Ivermectin to treat this disease, as well as vaccine refusers under Trump. Trump is a known anti-vaxxer. He could have prevented much of this nonsense, but that would have required truen leadership

[djAdvocate]

Jul 24, 2024 11:49:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 24, 2024 11:32:28 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Yes pharma would have produced the vaccines but there was significant push to get fast approvals. I’ve worked for many years with the FDA and other countries regulatory and this was a difficult but effective accomplishment in record times.

Also spent significant government resources to get the (free) vaccine to the population. But politics now dismiss this. For myself I was very grateful to get the vaccine especially for our very high risk DIL
Yes it was disorganized but vaccine was in very short supply at that time for the large population

Again, a moron knew we needed a vaccine. It is pandemic 101. Not all that impressive. Thankfully, Trump stayed out of the way in the development, and allowed the FDA to fast track it. You refuse to acknowledge the HARM Trump did in every other way in dealing with the pandemic, which led to an excess of 500k deaths, most of them pre-vaccine. As I said, he has blood on his hands, but you will not accept that

the real question here is how would Clinton have handled this differently than Trump?

one would assume, due to her infectious disease experience in foreign countries, that she would ALSO have fast tracked the vaccine.  but in addition, she would have had mandated testing requirements probably in FEBRUARY, when the WHO was shipping test kits (that TRUMP rejected) worldwide:


www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/coronavirus-testing-failure-123166

if we had done MASSIVE testing, we would have known exactly the extent of the virus, and where it was spreading, and we could have done TARGETED quarantines in those areas to control the disease.  the countries that did that had basically ZERO incidence of the disease all through 2020.  by the time we got to widespread testing in the US, the disease wast not "quarantineable".  we lost our chance.

that early decision and failure by Trump cost us 1M lives.  i can prove it in the data.  that is more lives than we lost in WW2.  that is more lives than we lost in the Civil War.  that was more lives than we lost in the last pandemic.

Trump was the worst president EVER.

[dondubble]

Jul 24, 2024 11:56:13 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

But even with the vaccine there were more US deaths under Biden when there was much more known about COVID
Think you’re the one that refuses to admit because politics
I’ll leave it there cause politics cloud the facts

You must not be aware that 50+% of repo-cons initially avoided vaccinations. So those deaths under Biden were mostly those folks that were anti-vax. As they watched friends and loved ones die due to stupidity they started getting the ‘jab’. Many still haven’t because they are idiots.

[jerseygirl]

Jul 24, 2024 12:27:35 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Jul 24, 2024 11:56:13 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

But even with the vaccine there were more US deaths under Biden when there was much more known about COVID
Think you’re the one that refuses to admit because politics
I’ll leave it there cause politics cloud the facts

You must not be aware that 50+% of repo-cons initially avoided vaccinations. So those deaths under Biden were mostly those folks that were anti-vax. As they watched friends and loved ones die due to stupidity they started getting the ‘jab’. Many still haven’t because they are idiots.

Yes I know that very sad statistic
Very stupid people

[happyhoix]

Jul 24, 2024 11:56:13 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

But even with the vaccine there were more US deaths under Biden when there was much more known about COVID
Think you’re the one that refuses to admit because politics
I’ll leave it there cause politics cloud the facts

Trump refused to discuss the virus for months, and when he did, he claimed it would quickly be gone. It was only after the virus was here and well established that he admitted it was a serious issue.

He claimed he didn’t want to ‘scare’ people, so instead he let them remain ignorant, and then dead.

[djAdvocate]

i want to point out, to those of you that STILL think that this was a disease, and Trump is not to blame for it, that Trump EXPLICITLY told Bob Woodward that he didn't want people tested. the FACT that he was in charge of the effort (or killing the effort) puts him DIRECTLY on the hook.

testing was the linchpin of our effort, and he objectively FAILED to provide leadership and urgency on that front. he won't deny it, likely. nobody else should, either. and he should DEFINITELY get blamed for (actively discouraging) it.