Shooting at Trump Rally

[thyme4change]

We have got to do something about the guns in this country.


apnews.com/article/7c7ba6b99b5f38d2d840ed95b2fdc3e5

BUTLER, Pa. (AP) — Donald Trump appeared to be the target of an assassination attempt as he spoke during a rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday, law enforcement officials said. The former president, his ear covered in blood, was quickly pulled away by Secret Service agents and his campaign said he was “fine.”

The attack, by a shooter who law enforcement officials say was then killed by the Secret Service, was the first attempt to assassinate a president or presidential candidate since Ronald Reagan was shot in 1981. It comes amid a deeply polarized political atmosphere, just four months from the presidential elections and days before Trump is to be officially named the Republican nominee at his party’s convention.

A local prosecutor said the suspected gunman and at least one attendee are dead.

[andi9899]

Thoughts and prayers.

[resolution]

This is terrible. I hope it doesn't escalate into more violence.

[countrygirl2]

What do you expect? He is talking about killing opponents and arresting others, I'm surprised it has not happened before and I have absolutely no  sympathy for him. He brought this on himself. 

The Republicans want everyone armed and this is what happens. I could say a lot more but I won't.

[Tennesseer]

Would not surprise me one bit if trump arranged to be nicked by a shooter. He needs more press coverage and sympathy voters.

Plus:

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."

Donald Trump: 'I Could ... Shoot Somebody, And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters'

[Opti]

Jul 13, 2024 20:51:38 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Would not surprise me one bit if trump arranged to be nicked by a shooter. He needs more press coverage and sympathy voters.

Plus:

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."

Donald Trump: 'I Could ... Shoot Somebody, And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters'

Bannon has been going on about DJT being assassinated for more than a month. I am a bit dubious too. 

[djAdvocate]

where is Alex Jones when you need him?

[Tennesseer]

Jul 13, 2024 21:41:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

where is Alex Jones when you need him?

Donald Trump's fake rejection of Project 2025 has angered his biggest fans
Far-right trolls Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes don't seem to get Trump is only pretending to be more moderate

Steve Bannon has been in prison just over a week, and already one can see the strain on MAGA world, lost without their boss man to tell them what to think. Bannon's absence from the scene may be the single best explanation for why some of the loudest trolls on the right are now griping at Donald Trump for pretending he isn't tightly entwined with the notorious Project 2025. Talia Jane at the New Republic reports that Infowars host Alex Jones is leading the charge to castigate Trump, not for his 34 felony convictions, but for temporarily pretending to be moderate in order to win the presidential election.

“Trump gets told by his advisers and people who really just don’t want competition in his new White House," Jones complained on Monday's show. "Oh God, these are radicals, sir. You’ve got to come out and distance yourself."

Donald Trump's fake rejection of Project 2025 has angered his biggest fans

[Tennesseer]

trump's ear did not stop the bullet. So where is it?

[billisonboard]

Jul 13, 2024 21:49:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

trump's ear did not stop the bullet. So where is it?

One rally attendee is dead and another was critically injured. That would be two places to start looking.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 13, 2024 21:52:47 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 13, 2024 21:49:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

trump's ear did not stop the bullet. So where is it?

One rally attendee is dead and another was critically injured. That would be two places to start looking.

No one sitting behind trump was injured according to the videos.

[billisonboard]

Jul 13, 2024 22:01:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 13, 2024 21:52:47 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

One rally attendee is dead and another was critically injured. That would be two places to start looking.

No one sitting behind trump was injured according to the videos.

Where did the shots come from? What elevation was the shooter in relationship to Trump? Where were the victims?

[ripvanwinkle]

Jul 13, 2024 22:17:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 13, 2024 22:01:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

No one sitting behind trump was injured according to the videos.

Where did the shots come from? What elevation was the shooter in relationship to Trump? Where were the victims?

The news say the shooter was on a elevated roof off of the rally grounds.

[mollyc]

I understand that it is much easier to graze someone you are trying to shoot then not shoot someone you are trying to graze.

My guesses about the shooter are:

An individual who would probably be considered on the left side of politics who took in all the rhetoric from both sides and decided the world would be a better place with Trump dead;

Or an individual trying to impress someone like the guy who shot Reagan so politics are largely immaterial;

Or someone upset that Trump wasn’t who they thought he was and felt Trump needed to be punished like the guy who murdered Lennon;

Or someone who wanted to go down in a blaze of glory and infamy like almost all of the mass shooters.

The only conspiracy that would make any sense is some persons on the right who feel Trump is a liability as a living person but an asset as a martyr.

[billisonboard]

Jul 13, 2024 23:17:47 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jul 13, 2024 22:17:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Where did the shots come from? What elevation was the shooter in relationship to Trump? Where were the victims?

The news say the shooter was on a elevated roof off of the rally grounds.

Back to the original question of where the bullet that grazed Trump’s ear ended up. Knowing it started from an elevated point is an important factor but exactly how elevated needs to be known. Also what was the speaking platform and Trump’s ear height? The distance from gun to ear would be critical for angle. Then knowing the exact direction from gun to ear is necessary. I don't see how I could determine all that without being on site.

[toomuchreality]

I've had one FB friend try to bully me, for posting an angry face, in response to his post saying we should all donate to Trump. I didn't comment. Just posted the angry reaction.

He sent me a private message, asking why. I told him, I don't want to donate to Trump. He then threatened to block me, if I don't immediately remove it. I said, don't bother, I'll remove myself and I did.

He said, he's probably overreacting. But that I would probably be mad, if someone did the same to my dementia patient president.

I said, I don't get mad at people, just because they disagree with me. I learn nothing from that.

I said, I wish you (and him) well.

I don't like bullies. That's not a friend.

<eye roll>

[Opti]

Jul 13, 2024 21:49:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

trump's ear did not stop the bullet. So where is it?

Being made into a necklace? 

[Opti]

Jul 14, 2024 1:08:38 GMT -5 toomuchreality said:

I've had one FB friend try to bully me, for posting an angry face, in response to his post saying we should all donate to Trump. I didn't comment. Just posted the angry reaction.

He sent me a private message, asking why. I told him, I don't want to donate to Trump. He then threatened to block me, if I don't immediately remove it. I said, don't bother, I'll remove myself and I did.

He said, he's probably overreacting. But that I would probably be mad, if someone did the same to my dementia patient president.

I said, I don't get mad at people, just because they disagree with me. I learn nothing from that.

I said, I wish you (and him) well.

I don't like bullies. That's not a friend.

<eye roll>

I'm sorry TMR. I have conservative friends and a few conservative family members as well. But I am not on FB in part because of what happened to you above.

When he threatened to block you, why didn't you just say OK?
(You do not need to answer that unless you want to)

[Opti]

Jul 13, 2024 23:43:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 13, 2024 23:17:47 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

The news say the shooter was on a elevated roof off of the rally grounds.

Back to the original question of where the bullet that grazed Trump’s ear ended up. Knowing it started from an elevated point is an important factor but exactly how elevated needs to be known. Also what was the speaking platform and Trump’s ear height? The distance from gun to ear would be critical for angle. Then knowing the exact direction from gun to ear is necessary. I don't see how I could determine all that without being on site.

I want to start with what news said this. Reuters, the AP wire services?
Or OAN and other "entertainment" RW platforms ... ?

[toomuchreality]

Jul 14, 2024 1:40:34 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 14, 2024 1:08:38 GMT -5 toomuchreality said:

I've had one FB friend try to bully me, for posting an angry face, in response to his post saying we should all donate to Trump. I didn't comment. Just posted the angry reaction.

He sent me a private message, asking why. I told him, I don't want to donate to Trump. He then threatened to block me, if I don't immediately remove it. I said, don't bother, I'll remove myself and I did.

He said, he's probably overreacting. But that I would probably be mad, if someone did the same to my dementia patient president.

I said, I don't get mad at people, just because they disagree with me. I learn nothing from that.

I said, I wish you (and him) well.

I don't like bullies. That's not a friend.

<eye roll>

I'm sorry TMR. I have conservative friends and a few conservative family members as well. But I am not on FB in part because of what happened to you above.

When he threatened to block you, why didn't you just say OK?
(You do not need to answer that unless you want to)

Because I didn't think that's what he really wanted. I thought he was just being childish.

Apparently I was wrong. After putting an angry face on all my posts, he did block me.

That's okay. I don't want, or need bully friends.

So childish! Just like his mentor.

[Spellbound454]

BBC are reporting that a man saw someone "bear crawl" up a roof. So whether or not its the shooter (now deceased) remains to be seen.

Sectarian violence is an ugly thing and has no place in a democracy. Everyone should be condemning this escalation.

[Opti]

I decided what the heck I am not sleeping I'd start looking things up like Windows update crap and now DJT's possible staged shooting. Check out this pic. (DJT is a known coward who stayed out of military service via bone spurs reported by the family doc at the time) He looks triumphant, like he pulled something off. He does not look like a man that was surprised by a shooter. I could probably make similar lines with watered down ketchup or the right Sharpies. That is not DJT in shock IMO.




www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-rally-shooter-identified-as-20-year-old-pennsylvania-man/ar-BB1pWKjt?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=5b8ab000dd0e43d7b8946b06689742b1&ei=30

Law enforcement authorities have identified the man who made an assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump at a rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday.



The FBI said the shooter, who is dead, was identified as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. A motive was not clear.

Bethel Park is a predominantly white, relatively well-to-do city in the southern reaches of greater Pittsburgh. The site of the rally, Butler, is about an hour’s drive north of Pittsburgh.



Pennsylvania voter records listed a Thomas Matthew Crooks with the same address and birth date as a registered Republican, though it was not clear from the records when that was put in place.

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Another pic courtesy of Michael Cohen or so this article says.




Cohen shared a photo of the aftermath of the shooting in Butler, Pennsylvania, along with a brief statement on X, formerly Twitter.



"Whether you agree or disagree with someone's political position, THIS IS NOT THE SOLUTION!" he posted alongside the photo of Trump surrounding by Secret Service agents with blood on his face.

[Opti]

IDK Michael, this is how the poor French people solved the monarchy is out of control problem , that said ...

Deep op planned by Steve Bannon
Similar to last time young man professing his love to his GF decides shooting a Presidential candidate seems like a good idea
Shooter used by Trump campaign to boost numbers and buy some news cycle stories


Shooter did not want Trump to become the nominee
Shooter actually targeting the bystander who was shot and winged Trump by mistake.


Be interesting as what hits the media when and in the end what motive the SS and the police decide is the answer.

[Spellbound454]

Biden had the right response imo ."no place in American for this kind of violence, its sick"

Trump has every right to go to a rally and for people to go to support their candidate in a peaceful way.


I guess you have a nasty campaign going on, which gets multiplied x10 with social media, fake news and hysteria from both sides.
and for some little D-head to get the idea that they are entitled to murder.

This happens violent back waters all the time and seems to be a trait when there is no democracy.

but America needs to be better and  show the way.

[happyhoix]

Jul 14, 2024 6:46:09 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Biden had the right response imo ."no place in American for this kind of violence, its sick"

Trump has every right to go to a rally and for people to go to support their candidate in a peaceful way.


I guess you have a nasty campaign going on, which gets multiplied x10 with social media, fake news and hysteria from both sides.
and for some little D-head to get the idea that they are entitled to murder.

This happens violent back waters all the time and seems to be a trait when there is no democracy.

but America needs to be better and  show the way.

I am willing to bet this is less of a ‘contentious political climate’ thing and more of a ‘every nut case has an arsenal’ problem for us. 

Your elections can get pretty heated, too. I’ve heard how rowdy your legislative sessions get. Imagine if every mentally ill person in your country could go to their local gun store and get the biggest weapon and as much ammo as he could afford. 

You will notice, once Trump starts posting on his social media again after this incident, he will NOT comment on how there are too many guns that are too easy to get your hands on. The majority of our country wants better gun controls and background checks, but Trump is with the party that has a vocal minority who won’t tolerate the smallest changes to the current lax gun laws, and Trump won’t want to lose that voting block. Instead, he will blame the Dems for saying bad things about him - him, the King of Shit Talk. 

Most likely, this shooter will turn out to be like almost every shooter who goes after public figures in our country - mentally ill, wanting to get attention, probably wanting suicide by cop. 

[happyhoix]

Jul 14, 2024 2:33:07 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

BBC are reporting that a man saw someone "bear crawl" up a roof. So whether or not its the shooter (now deceased) remains to be seen.

Sectarian violence is an ugly thing and has no place in a democracy. Everyone should be condemning this escalation.

I saw photos of one of the roofs surrounding the rally that showed a police sniper with his gun on a tripod watching the event.

Normally at these events they put cops on all the surrounding rooftops, or they have cops with sniper rifles watching all the surrounding roof tops, so it’s surprising to me that this shooter was apparently able to get onto a rooftop undetected. 

No doubt this will become part of the ‘Biden sent him’ conspiracy theory that is already circulating. 

[Spellbound454]

It was the shooter on the roof.... just as the man described

Which begs the question. If members of the public could see him (and tried to tell authorities he was there) how come security didn't see him?


He seems to have been part of an extreme right wing faction........ so the "Biden sent him" rhetoric doesn't wash.

But there has been extreme nastiness on both sides which is not helpful.



and yes everyone having guns is a problem, especially if they have murderous intent. 


We have had two politicians stabbed/shot in recent years.
Just because someone doesn't share your political opinions doesn't mean that you can kill them. 

[happyhoix]

Just saw on the news that the shooter was seen by rally attendees standing on the ground - one guy said that he saw the shooter on the roof and stood there pointing towards the guy, trying to get someone in security to notice him, too.

Strange that SS didn’t see him. Not that many buildings around, looked more like a fairground type area.

[happyhoix]

Jul 14, 2024 8:08:55 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

It was the shooter on the roof.... just as the man described

Which begs the question. If members of the public could see him (and tried to tell authorities he was there) how come security didn't see him?


He seems to have been part of an extreme right wing faction........ so the "Biden sent him" rhetoric doesn't wash.

But there has been extreme nastiness on both sides which is not helpful.



and yes everyone having guns is a problem, especially if they have murderous intent. 


We have had two politicians stabbed/shot in recent years.
Just because someone doesn't share your political opinions doesn't mean that you can kill them. 

IF this was a far right guy - I haven’t heard yet that he was, only that he was a registered Republican - I know the leader of one of the white nationalist groups who had been very loyal  to Trump came out angrily against Trump recently because Trump publicly disavowed the 2025 Project.  The guy said they had been lied to and that Trump was just a puppet of wealthy CEOs and didn’t care what happened to the common man. 

Could be this nut job shooter was a fan of that white nationalist nut job.