Shooting at Trump Rally

[djAdvocate]

did anyone else see them try to pin this on some ANTIFA body builder right after the shooting? and a Trans activist?

here is the first one: “Mark Violets, an antifa member.”

false on both counts. his name is Mark Violi, and he is not a member of ANTIFA. so this is pure bullshit that was just fabricated in some right wing fever dream.

i have lost the name of the trans activist.

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OK, DJ first there is this -


The suspect was shot and killed by the Secret Service seconds after he allegedly fired shots toward a stage where Trump was speaking in Butler, Penn.



The FBI said it was working to determine a motive for the attack, in which one rally attendee died and two other spectators were critically injured. Trump was shot in the ear.


www.ctvnews.ca/world/what-we-know-about-the-20-year-old-man-who-tried-to-assassinate-donald-trump-1.6963348

Trump was not shot in the ear. At best, the bullet grazed his ear. At worse it was staged with a squib or similar like another poster posted.

Its more than possible that the bullet that killed that bystander did indeed graze Trump's ear. Given the trails on his face, it appears one trail might have been because Trump or an SS agent brushed blood away. We will need to ask our resident AR-15 expert as to whether a bullet fired from a AR15 that distance away could cause something that looks like Trump's ear. The blood on his face reminds me of when women's blood gets kind of watery at certain points of a menstrual cycle.

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This one worried me more. Reads as if it were written ahead of time just waiting for an opportunity to trot it out. Has she ever talked about violent bullets ever when 45 was in office? So the devasting change of getting plastic surgery on his ear? One family has a dead father and I'd guess the other two hit have worse injuries than DJT. But I am guessing so I could be wrong.


Melania Trump

July 14, 2024



I am thinking of you, now, my fellow Americans.



We have always been a unique union. America, the fabric of our gentle nation is tattered, but our courage and common sense must ascend and bring us back together as one.



When I watched that violent bullet strike my husband, Donald, I realized my life, and Barron’s life, were on the brink of devastating change. I am grateful to the brave secret service agents and law enforcement officials who risked their own lives to protect my husband.

...


www.ctvnews.ca/world/read-the-letter-from-melania-trump-responding-to-attempted-assassination-of-donald-trump-1.6963612

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Misplaced one article I saw.

Some GOPer suggested that Trump should no longer get called a threat to democracy just because of the bullet grazing his ear.
My thought is if Putin's inner circle tried to kill him and failed, I wouldn't decide that now Putin was not a threat to the West or Ukraine. 

I see Steve Bannon's hand in this. Did the GOP or one of its agents' track this guy and push him to do this? 

[djAdvocate]

the gunman was apparently a Republican.

so, again, how is it that Joe Biden is responsible for this?

oh, and by the way, JD, Trump gets called a fascist because his ideas, his rhetoric, and his positions are fascist. that doesn't give anyone license to kill him.

where was Trump when the crowd chanted Hang Mike Pence? oh yeah, he said maybe he deserves it. and where was Trump when Paul Pelosi got his head bashed in by some crazed lunatic who was convinced that Nancy Pelosi was a threat to democracy? oh yeah, he was making jokes about it.

so, yeah- fuck you. and fuck anyone that blames this on "the left".

this is all yours. this kid was apparently very fond of the slogan "second amendment solutions". that is a right wing slogan.

_micdrop_

[djAdvocate]

PS- if it turns out that anything i said above was FALSE, i will gladly apologize for it. if it isn't, someone ELSE should be apologizing.

i won't hold my breath.

[Spellbound454]

Lots of conspiracy rabbit holes here.

And I think it was even if it turns out he and his campaign did not plan this shooting.

Of course they didn't plan the shooting. Two people, the shooter and the guy in the stand got head shots.

They have rehearsed the word "duck" where the president drops and security use their bodies as shields. They all rehearse that because people have been shot in the past..

Location on his head where trump was allegedly shot bya bullet is suspicious to me.

Its only just happened. The sorts of answers to where the bullet is, can only been given after an investigation and enquiry.... as people no doubt know.

The guy in his line of fire (in the right stand) was shot and killed by a bullet in the head, so there were bullets coming from the direction of the shooter and past Trump.

that he belongs to ATIFA and being a liberal

Pah ... I'm no fan of antifa,....... but gun obsessed young people aren't their style.

[Spellbound454]

Melania isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer .... I suspect all her speeches and press releases are written by their office.

but she was worried when she saw her husband getting shot at ...... who wouldn't be.

 Did the GOP or one of its agents' track this guy and push him to do this

Very unlikely

This young man had a death wish, he knew their were snipers on the roof behind Trump (he could see them) They returned fire and he died. He was never going to get out of there.

I remember from years ago a girl school shooter was asked for her motives and she said "I don't like Mondays"

We, as adults tend to look for reasonable explanations that we can understand

ie loner, no friends, bullied, bad childhood, madness..... and we try to put them there because that's the only thing that makes sense.

but the truth is that sometimes the reasons for violent behaviour are simply absurd.

Violent rhetoric and loud mouths, spouting nonsense conspiracy are the reasons this campaign has been so ugly.
I'm hoping they'll take stock of where this leads and tone it down.

 someone ELSE should be apologizing.



i won't hold my breath.

I normally link things but my computer is playing up. I haven't knowingly posted anything untrue either.

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Spell, this article from the Atlantic, is just under two months old. (The rain woke me up so I am up for the moment FWIW)


www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/05/trump-biden-assassination-fbi/678476/


Trump’s Assassination Fantasy Has a Darker Purpose

The ex-president’s stories of his own victimization make violence by his supporters far more likely.



By Juliette Kayyem


When Donald Trump insinuated this week that his successor and the FBI were out to kill him, he showed how central violence has become to his conception of political leadership. The former president declared Tuesday on Truth Social, his social-media platform, that he “was shown reports Crooked Joe Biden’s DOJ, in their illegal and UnConstitutional Raid of Mar-a-Lago, AUTHORIZED THE FBI TO USE DEADLY (LETHAL FORCE).”



Trump has a way of projecting his own vices onto others. His view of presidential power is absolute—to the point that his lawyer recently argued before the Supreme Court that ordering the military to assassinate a political rival “could well be an official act.”

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Also from the Atlantic,


When a madman hammered nearly to death the husband of then–House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump jeered and mocked. One of Trump’s sons and other close Trump supporters avidly promoted false claims that Paul Pelosi had somehow brought the onslaught upon himself through a sexual misadventure.



After authorities apprehended a right-wing-extremist plot to abduct Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Trump belittled the threat at a rally. He disparaged Whitmer as a political enemy. His supporters chanted “Lock her up.” Trump laughed and replied, “Lock them all up.”

Fascism feasts on violence. In the years since his own supporters attacked the Capitol to overturn the 2020 election—many of them threatening harm to Speaker Pelosi and Vice President Mike Pence—Trump has championed the invaders, would-be kidnappers, and would-be murderers as martyrs and hostages. He has vowed to pardon them if returned to office. His own staffers have testified to the glee with which Trump watched the mayhem on television.

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Those conventional phrases are inscribing Trump into a place in American life that he should have forfeited beyond redemption on January 6, 2021. All decent people welcome the sparing of his life. Trump’s reckoning should be with the orderly process of law, not with the bloodshed he rejoiced in when it befell others. He and his allies will exploit a gunman’s vicious criminality as their path to exonerate past crimes and empower new ones. Those who stand against Trump and his allies must find the will and the language to explain why these crimes, past and planned, are all wrong, all intolerable—and how the gunman and Trump, at their opposite ends of a bullet’s trajectory, are nonetheless joined together as common enemies of law and democracy.

Its a good article, I recommend that everyone read it.

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From the BBC. Bannon, a man who does want to destroy the US, has IMO been using Trump for that purpose. Some people think Bannon has a foreign handler or two, but I have yet to see any names or countries tossed out. Putin and Kim already have a champion in Trump, so it seems they wouldn't want to have him be dead prematurely. So who? Hamas, the Saudis, another area of the globe altogether? Bannon's original planet of Lizardmania?  IDK. But let's face it, most of us regardless of our politics could probably see Bannon play a villain on MIB 4 or whatever number it would be. He looks evil and devoid of humanity. SNL casting him as Darth Vader during Trump's only term in office, was a brilliant choice.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80ek470d99o


But last week the Supreme Court ruled he could not delay his sentence until after the appeal was heard, and now Bannon will have to face his four-month sentence.


"I'm proud of going to prison today," Bannon said outside the low-security prison just before turning himself in. "I have not only no regrets, I'm proud of what I did."


Asked what he expects from the next several months, Bannon responded, "a Trump victory".


In an interview with the BBC, he said he was unconcerned about missing a crucial part of Trump’s campaign, as there is a “Maga army” ready to ensure the former president defeats Joe Biden and returns to the White House.

“I've served my country now for the last 10 or so years focusing on this,” he said, referring to politics and Trump's Make America Great Again (Maga) slogan. “If I have to do it in a prison, I do it in a prison - it makes no difference at all.”

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More from the Bannon article -


A former Goldman Sachs banker turned alt-right media figure, Bannon was seen by Democrats as the brain behind not only Trump's extraordinary political rise but also some of his most divisive policies.

Seven months into his White House posting, however, he was fired and spent some time adrift from Trump’s inner circle.


The challenging aspect of Bannon's persona is that "most commentators alternate between calling him a mastermind and saying that he’s irrelevant", said Benjamin Teitelbaum, the author of War for Eternity: Inside Bannon's Far-Right Circle of Global Power Brokers.


"He’s both extremes at once.”


I think the bolded is the heart of it. Feel free to disagree.

[Spellbound454]

 Trump has a way of projecting his own vices onto others. His view of presidential power is absolute—to the point that his lawyer recently argued before the Supreme Court that ordering the military to assassinate a political rival “could well be an official act.”

Apart from Russia the civilised World don't have "Licence to Kill" ..... that's just a James Bond/Hollywood fantasy. We don't assassinate people.

The ex-president’s stories of his own victimization make violence by his supporters far more likely.

and yet he is the one who got shot.... so something else must be going on.

 His own staffers have testified to the glee with which Trump watched the mayhem on television.

Thats heresay ... and probably with a political bias.

I get it, he is not your favourite person and he done stuff which is not presidential at least... and criminal at most.

but he is the victim here..... and any implication that he somehow deserved to be assassinated  ....is appalling and shouldn't be happening in America.

In a democracy you use your vote.

Sometimes you get your candidate and sometimes you don't, its whatever the majority decides. That's the price of living in a free country.

[Spellbound454]

  Bannon, a man who does want to destroy the US,

So turn it off.

You don't have to listen to him or that bonkers woman.

To get airtime over here, you have to at least have a modicum of decorum ... and not say and do things which inflame public decency.

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Jul 15, 2024 6:06:08 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

 Trump has a way of projecting his own vices onto others. His view of presidential power is absolute—to the point that his lawyer recently argued before the Supreme Court that ordering the military to assassinate a political rival “could well be an official act.”

Apart from Russia the civilised World don't have "Licence to Kill" ..... that's just a James Bond/Hollywood fantasy. We don't assassinate people.

The ex-president’s stories of his own victimization make violence by his supporters far more likely.

and yet he is the one who got shot.... so something else must be going on.

 His own staffers have testified to the glee with which Trump watched the mayhem on television.

Thats heresay ... and probably with a political bias.

I get it, he is not your favourite person and he done stuff which is not presidential at least... and criminal at most.

but he is the victim here..... and any implication that he somehow deserved to be assassinated  ....is appalling and shouldn't be happening in America.

In a democracy you use your vote.

Sometimes you get your candidate and sometimes you don't, its whatever the majority decides. That's the price of living in a free country.

For the first one, James Bond is a spy and most countries use their spies a certain way. I'll skip to politically sanctioned violence by world leaders directly in their country.

#1 is Russia
following in no particular order includes North Korea, the Sauds, various Africian countries (which one had the big Mall violence incident, Kenya? ), Hamas, Israel, China when it comes to the Dali Llama and his followers, etc. And in the before times b4 America was officially a country, the British Empire was a ruthless killing machine for land, slaves, and profit.

For spycraft, I really loved the TV series Burn Notice. I have no idea how accurate it is ... but it makes sense that spies from probably every country are taught to steal or temporarily borrow things to complete their missions. Finding out you are no longer a sanctioned spy for your government, and they are trying to actively kill you must be one heck of a head trip. Glad I only feel and get a sense of some things through TV, books, and movies.

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Jul 15, 2024 6:14:20 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

  Bannon, a man who does want to destroy the US,

So turn it off.

You don't have to listen to him or that bonkers woman.

To get airtime over here, you have to at least have a modicum of decorum ... and not say and do things which inflame public decency.

WTE?

Bannon is on his mission whether I want to watch him or not. I actually have only watched clips from late night shows or the news.
What bonkers woman, I ask curiously ...

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and yet he is the one who got shot.... so something else must be going on.

Must it?

I would posit he is the only one in that incident that didn't actually get shot. A bullet,we think, artistically managed to graze the upper part of his ear. Three people were actually shot and probably have at least entry wounds if not exit wounds as well. One of them is dead, two are hospitalized. 

I watch lots of TV and behind the scenes filming tricks. Trump probably was in the line of fire, but how out of perhaps three bullets did he get so unscathed compared to the three that again, have or had actual bullets in them.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Jul 15, 2024 6:24:21 GMT -5 Opti said:

and yet he is the one who got shot.... so something else must be going on.

Must it?

I would posit he is the only one in that incident that didn't actually get shot. A bullet,we think, artistically managed to graze the upper part of his ear. Three people were actually shot and probably have at least entry wounds if not exit wounds as well. One of them is dead, two are hospitalized. 

I watch lots of TV and behind the scenes filming tricks. Trump probably was in the line of fire, but how out of perhaps three bullets did he get so unscathed compared to the three that again, have or had actual bullets in them.

Because it was not a trained sharp shooter and he was using an AR-15 which is in no way a sniper rifle.  If I took you to one end of a football field and gave you an assault rifle I'm pretty certain there would be some collateral damage to the left and right of your intended 10"x10" target if you hit it at all and the shooter was 100 feet further than that.  I have practiced at rifle ranges and it is not easy.  I missed the target way more than I hit it.

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Jul 15, 2024 7:15:08 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Jul 15, 2024 6:24:21 GMT -5 Opti said:

Must it?

I would posit he is the only one in that incident that didn't actually get shot. A bullet,we think, artistically managed to graze the upper part of his ear. Three people were actually shot and probably have at least entry wounds if not exit wounds as well. One of them is dead, two are hospitalized. 

I watch lots of TV and behind the scenes filming tricks. Trump probably was in the line of fire, but how out of perhaps three bullets did he get so unscathed compared to the three that again, have or had actual bullets in them.

Because it was not a trained sharp shooter and he was using an AR-15 which is in no way a sniper rifle.  If I took you to one end of a football field and gave you an assault rifle I'm pretty certain there would be some collateral damage to the left and right of your intended 10"x10" target if you hit it at all and the shooter was 100 feet further than that.  I have practiced at rifle ranges and it is not easy.  I missed the target way more than I hit it.

I have wanted to go to a gun range, but never have. I think it all depends on how you tend to fail with guns and targets if you have done it before. I did archery in HS, I think I got better basically by seeing how I was failing and tried to fail/do better in such a way that I was closer to the bullseye of the target.

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Saw on the news this morning that Trump has decided to throw out his ‘very tough’ speech about the corrupt Biden government and instead he will give a speech about‘unifying the country ‘ at the RNC conference.

Bad move. This is not what his minions want. They love the asshole Trump who urged the mob to hang Mike Pence. Who made fun of Pelosi’s husband getting attacked with a hammer. Who told the parents of kids who were killed in a school shooting the would have to get over it. Who took kids away from immigrants in order to scare them away from trying to come to this country. They want a president who makes the libs cry.

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Jul 14, 2024 22:21:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

did anyone else see them try to pin this on some ANTIFA body builder right after the shooting? and a Trans activist?

here is the first one: “Mark Violets, an antifa member.”

false on both counts. his name is Mark Violi, and he is not a member of ANTIFA. so this is pure bullshit that was just fabricated in some right wing fever dream.

i have lost the name of the trans activist.

They are also claiming the SS failed because their head is big on DEI. Diversity hires are apparently always incompetent. 😡

[pulmonarymd]

The "kinder, gentler" Trump will last 15 minutes. Then it will be back to bile and venom. A leopard can't change its spots.

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www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-why-i-chanted-fight-fight-fight-after-shooting/ar-BB1pYFGE?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=775e88148f2b4b348e5857ade3fd9bfd&ei=14


Even amidst bloody chaos at his campaign rally on Saturday, Donald Trump felt it was necessary to urge his followers to “fight, fight, fight” as a way to remind them of the MAGA mission that propelled Trump to the White House in 2020 and may return him there in November.



In an interview with CNBC’s Joe Kernan, co-host of Squawk Box, Trump on Sunday spoke for the first time about his iconic fist-pumping moment following the shooting rampage


“He thought it was essential to get out the message at that moment to continue to fight to make America great,” Kernen posted on X after his interview.



Kernen also revealed that Trump was lucky to have turned his head at just the right moment to avoid a more serious and potentially fatal blow. The conservative host, who is a personal friend of Trump, said the former president shared he is suffering from a “little problem with his right ear but was glad he turned his head at the last minute.”

Please comment b4 I do. 

[Tennesseer]

Jul 15, 2024 7:40:08 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The "kinder, gentler" Trump will last 15 minutes. Then it will be back to bile and venom. A leopard can't change its spots.

trump world visited trump the other day. trump reaped what he sowed. And will continue to reap his violent words.

[Spellbound454]

 Donald Trump felt it was necessary to urge his followers to “fight, fight, fight”

Probably a bit shocked at what just happened. Fight or flight. He avoided death by a whisker.

Why did SS let him do that anyway?........ traditionally assassinations have succeeded on the second shot.

He should not have been allowed to get up and start gesticulating to the crowd with someone shooting at him.

[happyhoix]

Jul 15, 2024 8:46:55 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

 Donald Trump felt it was necessary to urge his followers to “fight, fight, fight”

Probably a bit shocked at what just happened. Fight or flight. He avoided death by a whisker.

Why did SS let him do that anyway?........ traditionally assassinations have succeeded on the second shot.

He should not have been allowed to get up and start gesticulating to the crowd with someone shooting at him.

After the J6 rally at the capital Trump wanted to go down the street from the rally location to the Capital building. He wanted his secret service guys to drive him there. When they refused, because it was too dangerous, he had a fit and tried to grab the steering wheel away from the agent trying to drive the car.

The point being, Trump is all about making grand gestures that will play well on TV, and he will defy his secret service agents to get what he wants.

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Jul 15, 2024 8:46:55 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

 Donald Trump felt it was necessary to urge his followers to “fight, fight, fight”

Probably a bit shocked at what just happened. Fight or flight. He avoided death by a whisker.

Why did SS let him do that anyway?........ traditionally assassinations have succeeded on the second shot.

He should not have been allowed to get up and start gesticulating to the crowd with someone shooting at him.

I imagine that the SS had a hell of a time getting him to cooperate.  To me it did look like they were wrestling with him and he managed to slip out to do the fist pump.  

rump was not about to be rushed out of there looking like what he likely felt was a coward, not after all his tough man talk.

I was half expecting him to get out of their grasp and keep giving his speech but I guess even he isn't that dumb/macho.

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Jul 15, 2024 9:26:46 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 15, 2024 8:46:55 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Probably a bit shocked at what just happened. Fight or flight. He avoided death by a whisker.

Why did SS let him do that anyway?........ traditionally assassinations have succeeded on the second shot.

He should not have been allowed to get up and start gesticulating to the crowd with someone shooting at him.

After the J6 rally at the capital Trump wanted to go down the street from the rally location to the Capital building. He wanted his secret service guys to drive him there. When they refused, because it was too dangerous, he had a fit and tried to grab the steering wheel away from the agent trying to drive the car.

The point being, Trump is all about making grand gestures that will play well on TV, and he will defy his secret service agents to get what he wants.

Very true. We've seen it multiple times including when he had the SS drive him around so he could wave to his adoring fans on his discharge from Walter Reed. Which of course meant they were all had to breathe in his not quite Covid cured air for more than 15 minutes. So they were all exposed to getting Covid and there was little they could do except abandon their post and get fired. Good times.

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Jul 15, 2024 8:46:55 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

 Donald Trump felt it was necessary to urge his followers to “fight, fight, fight”

Probably a bit shocked at what just happened. Fight or flight. He avoided death by a whisker.

Why did SS let him do that anyway?........ traditionally assassinations have succeeded on the second shot.

He should not have been allowed to get up and start gesticulating to the crowd with someone shooting at him.

Bannon said: "I've warned about this very thing for over a year—an assassination attempt—the threat is real, very real. Thankfully, President Trump wears the Armor of God. Today, our leader showed total command presence, stood tall, and said 'FIGHT'!"

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/steve-bannon-reacts-to-trump-shooting-from-prison/ar-BB1q17fe?ocid=BingNewsSerp


That risk is true for any POTUS, VP or Sec of State. So why is Bannon banging this drum for at least a year? So they can use it to get what they want. In cover up news, the FL judge over her head has bailed on the documents case. Time to write your congress critters etc. unless you are MAGAs. 

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Bannon, prophets from Biblical times may have worn the armour God. All the marketing in the world isn't going change at least 50% of us know DJT might not be smart enough to wear police grade vests under his clothes if he feels today might be it.

Ane in other countries, that "armor" is called fat. 


Hey Bannon have you and considered this?