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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 14, 2024 8:33:46 GMT -5
This is the verify. Shooter appears to have been killed from the sniper behind Trump, Yes the shooter was wearing some sort of extreme right wing T shirt is what I read. www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/crgrj92er1qo
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2024 8:56:39 GMT -5
Back to the original question of where the bullet that grazed Trump’s ear ended up. Knowing it started from an elevated point is an important factor but exactly how elevated needs to be known. Also what was the speaking platform and Trump’s ear height? The distance from gun to ear would be critical for angle. Then knowing the exact direction from gun to ear is necessary. I don't see how I could determine all that without being on site. I want to start with what news said this. Reuters, the AP wire services? Or OAN and other "entertainment" RW platforms ... ? The original question came from Reply #8 in this thread. The rest of the words are mine.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 14, 2024 9:07:29 GMT -5
This is the white nationalist I referred to earlier, Nick Fuentes. newrepublic.com/post/183579/alex-jones-pissed-donald-trump-project-2025Both Fuentes and Alex Jones condemned Trump for stepping back from the 2025 project. IF the shooter was a Jones/Fuentes minion (FAR TO EARLY TO KNOW FOR SURE) this is the worst possible attacker, from Trump’s perspective of wanting to spend this to his political advantage. He really needs a far left shooter,
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2024 9:19:18 GMT -5
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Post by resolution on Jul 14, 2024 9:40:30 GMT -5
I was just relieved that the shooter is a local boy and as white as can be. I was worried that if it were an immigrant it would be open season on them across the country.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 14, 2024 9:57:07 GMT -5
This is the verify. Shooter appears to have been killed from the sniper behind Trump, Yes the shooter was wearing some sort of extreme right wing T shirt is what I read. www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/crgrj92er1qoThe t shirt logo is for Demolition Ranch, which is apparently a YouTube site with the motto ‘making you smile with guns.’ It’s apparently all about guns. I haven’t yet seen any specific political attachments but I haven’t visited their site (and don’t really want to). Not likely that a far left radical would be a fan of a YouTube channel that worships guns. Unless this is some Deep State fakery, and you know that’s going to be how MTG spins this, if this guy turns out to be far right.
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Post by tbop77 on Jul 14, 2024 10:07:57 GMT -5
I have the straight scoop from one of my MAGA friends. It was an inside job by the FBI and Secret Service to take Trump down. But, it's going to take a lot more than that to bring him down cause God is on his side.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2024 10:28:01 GMT -5
This is the verify. Shooter appears to have been killed from the sniper behind Trump, Yes the shooter was wearing some sort of extreme right wing T shirt is what I read. www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/crgrj92er1qoThe t shirt logo is for Demolition Ranch, which is apparently a YouTube site with the motto ‘making you smile with guns.’ It’s apparently all about guns. I haven’t yet seen any specific political attachments but I haven’t visited their site (and don’t really want to). Not likely that a far left radical would be a fan of a YouTube channel that worships guns. Unless this is some Deep State fakery, and you know that’s going to be how MTG spins this, if this guy turns out to be far right. One day I asked a high schooler if he was a fan of Ichiro. He was, like, "What? Who?" "The jersey you're wearing." "I have no idea who he is. I just liked the look of the shirt." I think it important to remember we are talking about a twenty year old and not analyze things as if he were a mature adult.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 14, 2024 10:29:35 GMT -5
Someone cut and pasted a post the shooter left on social media (x?) where he said ‘Praise the Lord in my quest to end the evil Epstein empire.’
So - far right religious nut upset that Epstein’s buddy Trump is leading the Republican Party?
That is SO not how the GOP wanted to spin this.
Someone on the far right is claiming this guy is a leader of the ANTIFA movement. Who is also a Christian Republican gun fanatic. Multiple personalities I guess.
Would be nice if these unstable people couldn’t get sniper rifles.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2024 10:34:55 GMT -5
I want to start with what news said this. Reuters, the AP wire services? Or OAN and other "entertainment" RW platforms ... ? The original question came from Reply #8 in this thread. The rest of the words are mine. ![](https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/secret.png) Rip has blocked me.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2024 10:36:09 GMT -5
Someone cut and pasted a post the shooter left on social media (x?) where he said ‘Praise the Lord in my quest to end the evil Epstein empire.’ So - far right religious nut upset that Epstein’s buddy Trump is leading the Republican Party? That is SO not how the GOP wanted to spin this. Someone on the far right is claiming this guy is a leader of the ANTIFA movement. Who is also a Christian Republican gun fanatic. Multiple personalities I guess. Would be nice if these unstable people couldn’t get sniper rifles. Going after actual child predators? Trump would count so it makes some sense.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2024 10:36:47 GMT -5
Someone cut and pasted a post the shooter left on social media (x?) where he said ‘Praise the Lord in my quest to end the evil Epstein empire.’ So - far right religious nut upset that Epstein’s buddy Trump is leading the Republican Party? That is SO not how the GOP wanted to spin this. Someone on the far right is claiming this guy is a leader of the ANTIFA movement. Who is also a Christian Republican gun fanatic. Multiple personalities I guess. Would be nice if these unstable people couldn’t get sniper rifles. Your last sentence didn't go where my brain thought it was going: "Would be nice if these unstable people (those on the fringes) couldn’t get ..." their crazy ideas broadcast out to a wider audience.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2024 10:39:57 GMT -5
The t shirt logo is for Demolition Ranch, which is apparently a YouTube site with the motto ‘making you smile with guns.’ It’s apparently all about guns. I haven’t yet seen any specific political attachments but I haven’t visited their site (and don’t really want to). Not likely that a far left radical would be a fan of a YouTube channel that worships guns. Unless this is some Deep State fakery, and you know that’s going to be how MTG spins this, if this guy turns out to be far right. One day I asked a high schooler if he was a fan of Ichiro. He was, like, "What? Who?" "The jersey you're wearing." "I have no idea who he is. I just liked the look of the shirt." I think it important to remember we are talking about a twenty year old and not analyze things as if he were a mature adult. This true, sometimes the marketing and image means something different to you than intended. So not just kids. I saw a sticker recently, frog/toad near spotted mushrooms. Tried getting several people's opinions just to confirm it was probably what I thought it was, a MJ reference instead of just a frog/toad hanging out by probably poisonous mushrooms that should not be eaten.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2024 10:41:20 GMT -5
The original question came from Reply #8 in this thread. The rest of the words are mine. ![](https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/secret.png) Rip has blocked me. Oh, you qouted me but was addressing what rip had said. Got it now.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2024 10:44:56 GMT -5
Someone cut and pasted a post the shooter left on social media (x?) where he said ‘Praise the Lord in my quest to end the evil Epstein empire.’ So - far right religious nut upset that Epstein’s buddy Trump is leading the Republican Party? That is SO not how the GOP wanted to spin this. Someone on the far right is claiming this guy is a leader of the ANTIFA movement. Who is also a Christian Republican gun fanatic. Multiple personalities I guess. Would be nice if these unstable people couldn’t get sniper rifles. Your last sentence didn't go where my brain thought it was going: "Would be nice if these unstable people (those on the fringes) couldn’t get ..." their crazy ideas broadcast out to a wider audience. It's America, isn't freedom of speech and ideas part of our slogans as it were? I think we as a country need to grow up and be an adult country. This isn't the Wild West or the Gold Rush. Do we want to act like a civilized country, i.e. most of Europe etc. or are we bowling to be like war torn countries like Afghanistan, various parts and countries in Africa, Russia, North Korea, just to name some? My answer is no, but for Trump and some MAGAs they think yes. Because its good to be King, sometimes, and they forget sometimes the King's inner circle does not fare so well either. Think Putin's crew for just one of many examples.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2024 11:13:26 GMT -5
Your last sentence didn't go where my brain thought it was going: "Would be nice if these unstable people (those on the fringes) couldn’t get ..." their crazy ideas broadcast out to a wider audience. It's America, isn't freedom of speech and ideas part of our slogans as it were? I think we as a country need to grow up and be an adult country. This isn't the Wild West or the Gold Rush. Do we want to act like a civilized country, i.e. most of Europe etc. or are we bowling to be like war torn countries like Afghanistan, various parts and countries in Africa, Russia, North Korea, just to name some? My answer is no, but for Trump and some MAGAs they think yes. Because its good to be King, sometimes, and they forget sometimes the King's inner circle does not fare so well either. Think Putin's crew for just one of many examples. One is always free to speak. But there is a complexity after words leave the mouth. Does one have the right to have their words repeated? Or do all others have the right to not repeat them? I was suggesting it would be nice if others not pass on the craziness people are free to express.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2024 11:17:47 GMT -5
I am reminded: The phrase “ the chickens are coming home to roost” is well-known and often attributed to African American, anti-imperialist, revolutionary leader Malcolm X following the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963. link
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 14, 2024 11:54:13 GMT -5
That would be victim blaming. Lets not forget Trump has just taken a shot to the head and he is the victim here.
and not true, since gun nuts would probably be more likely to go for Biden and
nobody is safe.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 14, 2024 12:00:10 GMT -5
That would be victim blaming. Lets not forget Trump has just taken a shot to the head and he is the victim here. and not true, since gun nuts would probably be more likely to go for Biden and nobody is safe. There was also one person killed and I think two in the hospital with critical injuries.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 14, 2024 12:06:27 GMT -5
Yes indeed.
Man trying to save his family, volunteer fire chief
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2024 12:06:41 GMT -5
Just saw on the news that the shooter was seen by rally attendees standing on the ground - one guy said that he saw the shooter on the roof and stood there pointing towards the guy, trying to get someone in security to notice him, too. Strange that SS didn’t see him. Not that many buildings around, looked more like a fairground type area. The SS obviously did see him otherwise the sniper set up to protect Trump at the rally would not have shot the shooter..
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2024 12:11:50 GMT -5
It's America, isn't freedom of speech and ideas part of our slogans as it were? I think we as a country need to grow up and be an adult country. This isn't the Wild West or the Gold Rush. Do we want to act like a civilized country, i.e. most of Europe etc. or are we bowling to be like war torn countries like Afghanistan, various parts and countries in Africa, Russia, North Korea, just to name some? My answer is no, but for Trump and some MAGAs they think yes. Because its good to be King, sometimes, and they forget sometimes the King's inner circle does not fare so well either. Think Putin's crew for just one of many examples. One is always free to speak. But there is a complexity after words leave the mouth. Does one have the right to have their words repeated? Or do all others have the right to not repeat them? I was suggesting it would be nice if others not pass on the craziness people are free to express. I think the right to free speech needs to be clarified. We shouldn't just make more laws about not screaming Fire in a theatre or public place. I think the answer is going to be a combination of laws for the social media space and passing legislation that echoes those laws federally and statewide. I'd like to see AI be opt out as default. Pay me if you want to improve your grab bag of rules. Its too annoying and is a hinderance more than anything. I'd like most marketing cookies automatically off. It should have to ask you to opt fully in or better yet have halfway options instead of full on cyber stalking for profit. MO.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 14, 2024 12:12:58 GMT -5
Someone cut and pasted a post the shooter left on social media (x?) where he said ‘Praise the Lord in my quest to end the evil Epstein empire.’ So - far right religious nut upset that Epstein’s buddy Trump is leading the Republican Party? That is SO not how the GOP wanted to spin this. Someone on the far right is claiming this guy is a leader of the ANTIFA movement. Who is also a Christian Republican gun fanatic. Multiple personalities I guess. Would be nice if these unstable people couldn’t get sniper rifles. Your last sentence didn't go where my brain thought it was going: "Would be nice if these unstable people (those on the fringes) couldn’t get ..." their crazy ideas broadcast out to a wider audience. Even better, it would be nice if these unstable people who are prone to believe conspiracy theories did not have access to such a vast array of crazy conspiracy theory websites. When these shooters end up being mentally ill people who glommed onto some ludicrous group like QAnon I always feel like they’re a victim, too - a victim of not getting mental health help and of being the puppet of some drunk uncle website. I think their final acts are a type of suicide by cop. Of course, 99% of my sympathy goes to the poor victims, who just happened to be at the wrong place. Too early to know with this shooter who influenced him.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2024 12:25:16 GMT -5
That would be victim blaming. Lets not forget Trump has just taken a shot to the head and he is the victim here. and not true, since gun nuts would probably be more likely to go for Biden and nobody is safe. The bullet grazed his ear. To me that's not a shot to the head, and a bullet that could have missed entirely if he just leaned a bit further away at the right time. Now the bystander who was killed did take a shot to the head and was seen as non-responsive when help found him. Trump has a bloody ear at best, this guy was dead in an instant and was not campaigning for President.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2024 12:30:47 GMT -5
Your last sentence didn't go where my brain thought it was going: "Would be nice if these unstable people (those on the fringes) couldn’t get ..." their crazy ideas broadcast out to a wider audience. Even better, it would be nice if these unstable people who are prone to believe conspiracy theories did not have access to such a vast array of crazy conspiracy theory websites. When these shooters end up being mentally ill people who glommed onto some ludicrous group like QAnon I always feel like they’re a victim, too - a victim of not getting mental health help and of being the puppet of some drunk uncle website. I think their final acts are a type of suicide by cop. Of course, 99% of my sympathy goes to the poor victims, who just happened to be at the wrong place. Too early to know with this shooter who influenced him. People who kill people aren't all mentally ill. I wish we'd destroy that GOP talking point. There are honor killings all over the world and in America as well. Those people aren't mentally ill, they just have a different value system. Yanking down these websites may help but it does nothing to the culture of the gun in America. I think pre creation of this board when MSN still supported us as posters, there was a Darwin light story. This guy had a rat or something in his home. And instead of getting up and dealing with it, he had a gun at hand, and just kept shooting at it until he couldn't see it to shoot it anymore. I forget whether he killed his spouse, just sent her to the hospital or what. Too many people are stupid and lazy when they shouldn't be.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 14, 2024 15:01:56 GMT -5
the kid that shot him was a 20 year old loner with no known political affiliations. he was a math nerd who was bullied by people like Trump in high school almost daily. he loved dressing up in hunting gear, and that was one of the reasons he was picked on.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2024 15:05:38 GMT -5
the kid that shot him was a 20 year old loner with no known political affiliations. he was a math nerd who was bullied by people like Trump in high school almost daily. Strong assertion. Personal knowledge or do you have a link?
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Post by weltz on Jul 14, 2024 15:35:49 GMT -5
the kid that shot him was a 20 year old loner with no known political affiliations. he was a math nerd who was bullied by people like Trump in high school almost daily. Strong assertion. Personal knowledge or do you have a link? I read that too Jason Kohler, who said he attended the same high school but did not share any classes with Crooks, said Crooks was bullied at school and sat alone at lunch time. Other students mocked him for the way he dressed, such as hunting outfits, Kohler said. “He was bullied almost every day,” Kohler told reporters. “He was just a outcast, and you know how kids are nowadays.” www.ctvnews.ca/world/what-we-know-about-the-20-year-old-man-who-tried-to-assassinate-donald-trump-1.6963348
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