Shooting at Trump Rally

[swamp]

Jul 15, 2024 7:39:55 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 14, 2024 22:21:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

did anyone else see them try to pin this on some ANTIFA body builder right after the shooting? and a Trans activist?

here is the first one: “Mark Violets, an antifa member.”

false on both counts. his name is Mark Violi, and he is not a member of ANTIFA. so this is pure bullshit that was just fabricated in some right wing fever dream.

i have lost the name of the trans activist.

They are also claiming the SS failed because their head is big on DEI. Diversity hires are apparently always incompetent. 😡

Yes, I've learned that the white dude is always the competent one, but anyone who isn't must be incompetent and a DEI hire.   

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 15, 2024 10:28:01 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jul 15, 2024 7:39:55 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

They are also claiming the SS failed because their head is big on DEI. Diversity hires are apparently always incompetent. 😡

Yes, I've learned that the white dude is always the competent one, but anyone who isn't must be incompetent and a DEI hire.   

Glad you recognize this. We white dudes should not have to share with the rif-raf/s

[swamp]

Jul 15, 2024 10:59:06 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 15, 2024 10:28:01 GMT -5 swamp said:

Yes, I've learned that the white dude is always the competent one, but anyone who isn't must be incompetent and a DEI hire.   

Glad you recognize this. We white dudes should not have to share with the rif-raf/s

I know my place. 

[NastyWoman]

We can solve this DEI problem at the secret service to the satisfaction of the MAGA crowd with two simple steps:
1) withdraw all SS agents from FOPAs entourage at all times -> there will no longer be any icky incompetent non-white guys around
2) open carry rules for all at any FOPA event. Can't have any "liberals" stomping in their second amendment rights after all. And surely with that many guns around there will be plenty of "good guys with guns" to maintain law and order right? Right?

See how easy it is? And it would save tax payer money too. Winning!!!

[thyme4change]

Democrats put all campaigning on hold for 24 hours. I have gotten several texts from Trump asking for money. I am not even on his list?! Maybe a scam text?

[tbop77]

One thing about it...got President Biden's crappy debate performance out of the headlines!  

[mollyanna58]

Jul 15, 2024 12:36:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Democrats put all campaigning on hold for 24 hours. I have gotten several texts from Trump asking for money. I am not even on his list?! Maybe a scam text?

Probably genuine. Of course Trump will turn this into a money-making moment.

[busymom]

Jul 15, 2024 11:21:23 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jul 15, 2024 10:59:06 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Glad you recognize this. We white dudes should not have to share with the rif-raf/s

I know my place. 

   <snort>   Welcome to today's GOP.  

[thyme4change]

Anyone see the potential picture of the bullet

www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/video/doug-mills-trump-rally-photo-src-digvid

www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

[Opti]

Jul 15, 2024 10:28:01 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jul 15, 2024 7:39:55 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

They are also claiming the SS failed because their head is big on DEI. Diversity hires are apparently always incompetent. 😡

Yes, I've learned that the white dude is always the competent one, but anyone who isn't must be incompetent and a DEI hire.   

Hate the truth of this. 

[billisonboard]

For the sake of argument: Let us say a group of individuals determined it was necessary to assassinate Donald Trump to meet some objective. Exactly who and why is not important. They put into play a plan to make it happen. It failed. Do they shrug, say "bummer" and move on? Or do they try again?

I don't see any way they could not try again. If it was necessary (in their minds) to do in the first place, the addition of the failed attempt could only make it more necessary he not take office.

If there is not another and, if necessary, other (increasingly desperate) attempts, I would take that as strong evidence the first was a lone wolf operation.

[Tennesseer]

[Tennesseer]

don jr. on the attack of  Paul Pelosi.  Empathy sure runs in the trump family.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 15, 2024 12:43:03 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

One thing about it...got President Biden's crappy debate performance out of the headlines!  

Already a GFM out, presumably for victims of the shooting.  Last time I looked, it was around $200k.

[toomuchreality]

"Empathy sure runs in the trump family."
Said no one, EVER.

[NastyWoman]

Jul 15, 2024 21:03:49 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jul 15, 2024 12:43:03 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

One thing about it...got President Biden's crappy debate performance out of the headlines!  

Already a GFM out, presumably for victims of the shooting.  Last time I looked, it was around $200k.

Make that $4.3MILLION per Bloomberg! It will be interesting to see how much of that, if any reaches the victims, NOT called trump and/or their families

[Opti]

Jul 15, 2024 20:06:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

don jr. on the attack of  Paul Pelosi.  Empathy sure runs in the trump family.

Wow I never saw that. I don't want to think on the red feather boa too much, except to note that is he saying Hunter is a gay GOPer, A Trumper of renown? That instead of a really long red tie, he wears this red feather boa?


 I got to ask ... is DJT Jr telling us he plays dress up behind closed doors and he favors red feather boas. That's a drag, ... Queen,

[Opti]

Jul 15, 2024 16:50:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

For the sake of argument: Let us say a group of individuals determined it was necessary to assassinate Donald Trump to meet some objective. Exactly who and why is not important. They put into play a plan to make it happen. It failed. Do they shrug, say "bummer" and move on? Or do they try again?

I don't see any way they could not try again. If it was necessary (in their minds) to do in the first place, the addition of the failed attempt could only make it more necessary he not take office.

If there is not another and, if necessary, other (increasingly desperate) attempts, I would take that as strong evidence the first was a lone wolf operation.

I don't know of any President in US history where it was attempted, failed, and then attempt two or three was a success. Does it mean it hasn't happened, it could have been covered up so the American people never knew.

I don't think this is a real anti Trump shooting, in that it was planned and now there are others to rally to the cause. I don't think we are even in the typical time period for a Presidential ass killing attempt to be made. Bannon is an excellent tactician. He's been planning this for over a year. The timing couldn't have gone any better. The messaging from the GOP and especially Trump and family have been on point and put out remarkably quickly. No signs at all that any of them were shaken or having a human moment. Again at least to me.

[happyhoix]

MTG immediately jumped on social media after the shooting to declare Dems responsible for every drop of blood spilled, and calling Dems the party of pedophiles.

Good job tamping down the rhetoric.

🙄

[happyhoix]

So far they managed to access his phone but there wasn’t anything on there. Guy remains an enigma.

His dad is a big conservative and gun fan. Could be son was rebelling against dad by killing his dad’s favorite politician.

Or could be he considered Trump isn’t conservative enough, because Trump walked away from Project 2025.

Or maybe the neighbors dog told him to do it.

Good news is it doesn’t appear to be a coordinated cell of terrorists anyway.

[Opti]

Radio host Dean Obeidallah shared a video of the scene from the convention on X, the Elon Musk-owned platform formerly named Twitter.



“Bone chilling to see at #RNCConvention people chanting ‘Fight’ in unison with one arm punching in the air,” he wrote. “Instantly conjures up rallies from 1930′s Germany. There is no other way to put it.”


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/authoritarianism-expert-responds-to-bone-chilling-moment-at-rnc/ar-BB1q3Kyv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=91a06c515d5f4d9b9eda3c565b277950&ei=13

[billisonboard]

Jul 16, 2024 4:24:26 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 15, 2024 16:50:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

For the sake of argument: Let us say a group of individuals determined it was necessary to assassinate Donald Trump to meet some objective. Exactly who and why is not important. They put into play a plan to make it happen. It failed. Do they shrug, say "bummer" and move on? Or do they try again?

I don't see any way they could not try again. If it was necessary (in their minds) to do in the first place, the addition of the failed attempt could only make it more necessary he not take office.

If there is not another and, if necessary, other (increasingly desperate) attempts, I would take that as strong evidence the first was a lone wolf operation.

I don't know of any President in US history where it was attempted, failed, and then attempt two or three was a success. Does it mean it hasn't happened, it could have been covered up so the American people never knew.

I don't think this is a real anti Trump shooting, in that it was planned and now there are others to rally to the cause. I don't think we are even in the typical time period for a Presidential ass killing attempt to be made. Bannon is an excellent tactician. He's been planning this for over a year. The timing couldn't have gone any better. The messaging from the GOP and especially Trump and family have been on point and put out remarkably quickly. No signs at all that any of them were shaken or having a human moment. Again at least to me.

I don't think that it will be possible to hide fully any connections from the shooter to Bannon, no matter how intricate the gyrations. I don't think using an inexperienced shooter who easily could have mis-aimed and killed Trump is a risk that would have been taken.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 16, 2024 2:05:17 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jul 15, 2024 21:03:49 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Already a GFM out, presumably for victims of the shooting.  Last time I looked, it was around $200k.

Make that $4.3MILLION per Bloomberg! It will be interesting to see how much of that, if any reaches the victims, NOT called trump and/or their families

Wow!  That went up fast!  It was not long after he was shot at that the GFM showed up.  

Betting the family of the guy that died and the 2 severely injured don’t see a cent.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 16, 2024 7:53:15 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So far they managed to access his phone but there wasn’t anything on there. Guy remains an enigma.

His dad is a big conservative and gun fan. Could be son was rebelling against dad by killing his dad’s favorite politician.

Or could be he considered Trump isn’t conservative enough, because Trump walked away from Project 2025.

Or maybe the neighbors dog told him to do it.

Good news is it doesn’t appear to be a coordinated cell of terrorists anyway.

Dad is a Libertarian, mom is a Democrat.  Both are social workers so none of this makes sense.

[billisonboard]

Jul 16, 2024 7:53:15 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So far they managed to access his phone but there wasn’t anything on there. Guy remains an enigma.

His dad is a big conservative and gun fan. Could be son was rebelling against dad by killing his dad’s favorite politician.

Or could be he considered Trump isn’t conservative enough, because Trump walked away from Project 2025.

Or maybe the neighbors dog told him to do it.

Good news is it doesn’t appear to be a coordinated cell of terrorists anyway.

So here is CNN linked info:

However, the FBI did not say what it found on Crooks’ phone or on other materials. link

Do you have a link that says otherwise.

How about a link to info on dad?

And what is your source for saying the neighbors have a dog? Okay, just joking on this one.

But seriously, speculation is one thing, however it would be nice if "statements of fact" would be link supported.

[happyhoix]

Jul 16, 2024 9:12:19 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 16, 2024 7:53:15 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So far they managed to access his phone but there wasn’t anything on there. Guy remains an enigma.

His dad is a big conservative and gun fan. Could be son was rebelling against dad by killing his dad’s favorite politician.

Or could be he considered Trump isn’t conservative enough, because Trump walked away from Project 2025.

Or maybe the neighbors dog told him to do it.

Good news is it doesn’t appear to be a coordinated cell of terrorists anyway.

So here is CNN linked info:

However, the FBI did not say what it found on Crooks’ phone or on other materials. link

Do you have a link that says otherwise.

How about a link to info on dad?

And what is your source for saying the neighbors have a dog? Okay, just joking on this one.

But seriously, speculation is one thing, however it would be nice if "statements of fact" would be link supported.

You totally missed the point of my post giving four plausible but totally different potential motives.

The internet is crammed with conspiracy theories, some possible, some totally unhinged. I could attach 40 different links to different articles claiming they know what happened, and none would be right.

We may never know why he did it. Even he might not have known.

[billisonboard]

Jul 16, 2024 10:22:22 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 16, 2024 9:12:19 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

So here is CNN linked info:

However, the FBI did not say what it found on Crooks’ phone or on other materials. link

Do you have a link that says otherwise.

How about a link to info on dad?

And what is your source for saying the neighbors have a dog? Okay, just joking on this one.

But seriously, speculation is one thing, however it would be nice if "statements of fact" would be link supported.

You totally missed the point of my post giving four plausible but totally different potential motives.

The internet is crammed with conspiracy theories, some possible, some totally unhinged. I could attach 40 different links to different articles claiming they know what happened, and none would be right.

We may never know why he did it. Even he might not have known.

Yes,I missed it.

[Opti]

Jul 16, 2024 10:22:22 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 16, 2024 9:12:19 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

So here is CNN linked info:

However, the FBI did not say what it found on Crooks’ phone or on other materials. link

Do you have a link that says otherwise.

How about a link to info on dad?

And what is your source for saying the neighbors have a dog? Okay, just joking on this one.

But seriously, speculation is one thing, however it would be nice if "statements of fact" would be link supported.

You totally missed the point of my post giving four plausible but totally different potential motives.

The internet is crammed with conspiracy theories, some possible, some totally unhinged. I could attach 40 different links to different articles claiming they know what happened, and none would be right.

We may never know why he did it. Even he might not have known.

And because he is dead, in many senses the reason no longer matters. 

  Bills, maybe Bannon paid off his student loans if he would do this b4 the RNC convention. 

[Tennesseer]

Jul 16, 2024 7:47:19 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

MTG immediately jumped on social media after the shooting to declare Dems responsible for every drop of blood spilled, and calling Dems the party of pedophiles.

Good job tamping down the rhetoric.

🙄

As usual, mtg is projecting. Much like her god.

[billisonboard]

Jul 16, 2024 10:32:54 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 16, 2024 10:22:22 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

You totally missed the point of my post giving four plausible but totally different potential motives.

The internet is crammed with conspiracy theories, some possible, some totally unhinged. I could attach 40 different links to different articles claiming they know what happened, and none would be right.

We may never know why he did it. Even he might not have known.

And because he is dead, in many senses the reason no longer matters. 

  Bills, maybe Bannon paid off his student loans if he would do this b4 the RNC convention. 

The President of the United States was shot at. Serious event. I am just finding it not funny all the fucking bullshit. A lot of ignorant/stupid/evil/etc people are tossing out and hearing that bullshit. So when I have to read it, I will respond with non-bullshit:

Are his student loans paid off? Easy to establish.
If yes, is there a logical way that funds to do so were available legitimately?
If not, can they be traced backwards or forward to Bannon or anyone associated with him?
If the funds end up being untraceable after a full investigation, I will entertain conspiracy theory.