THIS dumbass is our new speaker?

[chiver78]

Nov 11, 2023 17:50:14 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Nov 11, 2023 17:31:39 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

what does that even fucking mean? can you actually intelligently convey a point that doesn't include parrot points?

I think that has already been determined, don't you?

eh, blame dj for this one.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 11, 2023 17:15:01 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 11, 2023 16:11:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

abortion is managed to keep the population under control.

ergo......

human beings ergo....

yes, human beings.  human beings make similar choices for themselves AND for deer.
well, most human beings.  including you.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 11, 2023 18:16:04 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Nov 11, 2023 17:50:14 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I think that has already been determined, don't you?

eh, blame dj for this one.

i just think it is hilarious that the very reason people choose to have an abortion was stated as a plus for killing deer.  but i have a very macabre sense of humor.

as Mark Twain once quipped (in a lengthy and worth-reading essay) "man is the lowest animal".

[Tennesseer]

Nov 11, 2023 13:53:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 11, 2023 12:50:29 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

and here is your logic flaw - she doesnt care about the debate. in her mind, her opinion is the only one that matters, and fuck everyone else. she's been parroting the same thing, almost verbatim, in every post she makes on the topic. she's inflexible and unwavering on her opinion that "medically necessary" abortions should be the only ones allowed, but isn't interested in discussing what those might actually be. similar to the Republicans railing against the ACA, but not entertaining any discussion of an alternative. it's tiring, and it's never going to change as it's like trying to talk to a brick wall. 🤦‍♀️

I don't devulge into the medically necessary because I'm not a qualified physician. Like the ACA you can be against something without having a solution for something better. ACA was and is a failure, but I come to accept it is what it is. 

How did trump's new plan for health care work out for us?

[djAdvocate]

Nov 11, 2023 18:36:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 11, 2023 13:53:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't devulge into the medically necessary because I'm not a qualified physician. Like the ACA you can be against something without having a solution for something better. ACA was and is a failure, but I come to accept it is what it is. 

How did trump's new plan for health care work out for us?

he is not interested in healthcare.  clearly, not even for himself.
he is wolf who plays a sheepdog on TV.

[chiver78]

Nov 11, 2023 18:33:43 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 11, 2023 18:16:04 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

eh, blame dj for this one.

i just think it is hilarious that the very reason people choose to have an abortion was stated as a plus for killing deer.  but i have a very macabre sense of humor.

as Mark Twain once quipped (in a lengthy and worth-reading essay) "man is the lowest animal".

like I said, I'm annoyed that I've wasted the time I have on this. so, we're good here, for everyone. lol... 

back on topic, until she derails it again. 

[tallguy]

The world needs stupid people.  Who would the rest of us laugh at?

[djAdvocate]

it is difficult to measure one's self without variances.

[djAdvocate]

for the record, i am not sure i even want to contemplate our new Speaker.
hopefully he will exit gracefully in 2025, being replaced by Hakeem Jeffries.
but i see a possible existential crisis for the Republic on 1/6/25.  i hope that
Democrats are giving thought to that, and have some plans made, because
being surprised and terrorized is not going to work, next time.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 11, 2023 18:43:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 11, 2023 18:36:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How did trump's new plan for health care work out for us?

he is not interested in healthcare.  clearly, not even for himself.
he is wolf who plays a sheepdog on TV.

Of course trump is. But one of the things trump promised his cult members was a health care plan to take the place of the ACA. Of course nothing came of it because he lied his way into office.

[chiver78]

Nov 11, 2023 19:10:51 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

for the record, i am not sure i even want to contemplate our new Speaker.
hopefully he will exit gracefully in 2025, being replaced by Hakeem Jeffries.
but i see a possible existential crisis for the Republic on 1/6/25.  i hope that
Democrats are giving thought to that, and have some plans made, because
being surprised and terrorized is not going to work, next time.

I'm hopeful for that as well, but I have a sinking feeling that the MAGAts will pull out the stops to elect enough Republicans to prevent a (D) majority if only to prevent "another Muslim" from holding a power position. bc his name sounds like a terrorist. <I can't fucking roll my eyes loudly enough after typing that out> whoo...

[scgal]

Nov 11, 2023 15:44:56 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Nov 11, 2023 13:14:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Actually, it is even worse. She has no care about what the consequences are for the person who is forced to give birth because their reason for an abortion doesn't meet her definition. The pregnancy will result in a child with a horrible genetic disease who will be chronically ill and suffer, leading to an early death. Sucks to be you. Should have planned better before you opened your legs. If it bankrupts you or your family falls apart, oh well. Not my problem. You mean I have to pay more in taxes so those poor people who I would not let get an abortion can get SNAP assistance. Hell no! Let them suffer. She is either the most callous individual or incredibly stupid, because she is unwilling or unable to recognize what she wants to condemn people to have to deal with. But we are the ones without morals.

oh, I'm aware. but that would have added way more lines to a post that wasted enough of my time and brainpower. 

If you correspond, debate, reply to me you will be wasting your time if you think you will change my mind on this subject. I realize I'm not going to change anyone minds on here, most are way too liberal. I do engage thou just to give words to how others see it. During some interactions with posters DJ, Bills, Tenn they have given me reason for deeper thought on certain topics. Others who just attack I don't pay too much attention too (or try not to). In my opinion I think some posters here start getting way too nasty if you don't agree with them. I myself start to feel that way sometimes that is why I will step away for a few days 

[djAdvocate]

that is a good move, scgal.  i have found that people who nitpick me to death or people that are really uninterested in conversation are better off just getting blocked.  but that is just for ME.  because i can't help engaging posts that i can see, and that is destabilizes my equanimity.  i think i am a much better poster than i was a year ago because of it.  i no longer get frustrated to the point of anger.

[tallguy]

I really wish the poster could understand that nobody is trying to change her mind.  I have myself specifically stated directly to her at least a dozen times that she is both allowed and entitled to feel whatever she wants to on the issue.  What she cannot do is use her personal belief to deny the rights of others.  In the absence of any controlling factual knowledge or undisputed common good, the law must allow both sides their due.

And on a philosophical level, the moment you grant government the authority to interfere in a woman's reproductive rights and choices, you have lost those rights for good.  It is a very small step to go from government telling you that you cannot get an abortion to government telling you that you must get an abortion.  Not acceptable either way.  Well, unless you are a Republican, I guess.  

[djAdvocate]

this marriage between the religious and political right may still be our undoing.

it is sad, considering how intentionally Jefferson and others constituted this Republic SPECIFICALLY to prevent such a thing from happening.  but all empires fail.  it is hubris to think it won't happen here.

[billisonboard]

Nov 12, 2023 13:46:14 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this marriage between the religious and political right may still be our undoing.

it is sad, considering how intentionally Jefferson and others constituted this Republic SPECIFICALLY to prevent such a thing from happening.  but all empires fail.  it is hubris to think it won't happen here.

The Fourth Great Awakening? Agreed, scary times.

[tallguy]

Reason #2 why Ronald Reagan was a horrible president.

[Opti]

Speaker's hometown paper criticizes him for budget games instead of reason.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cut-the-games-speaker-johnson-roasted-by-hometown-paper-over-his-budget-antics/ar-AA1jO4L3?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=3fcf24e13d954a2f83999c74dc2129d5&ei=10

"Cut the games. If you promise regular order, let’s see it in action," the editors wrote.



"Johnson was wrong to push an emergency measure that tied aid to our ally Israel to a GOP hobbyhorse, cutting the Internal Revenue Service budget, as some anti-government Republicans want to do," they continued. "That just adds to the deficit, as it lets more high-income tax cheats defeat the system; for most of us, it just means the IRS can’t hire enough people to answer the darn phone."


"Our state is heavily dependent on federal spending in a multitude of ways, more so than many others. That's one reason why Louisiana does not need a new government shutdown," they wrote.

[djAdvocate]

this is a big black eye to the GOP if they can't get this done.

i would argue that the PRIMARY role of the House is to fund the government.
if you can't get the most important thing in your job done, you should quit/get fired.

[swamp]

Nov 11, 2023 18:36:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 11, 2023 13:53:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't devulge into the medically necessary because I'm not a qualified physician. Like the ACA you can be against something without having a solution for something better. ACA was and is a failure, but I come to accept it is what it is. 

How did trump's new plan for health care work out for us?

It will be here in 2 weeks 

[tbop77]

GOP leaders aim to pass funding bill with help from Democrats  amid conservative opposition



www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-leaders-aim-to-pass-funding-bill-with-help-from-democrats-amid-conservative-opposition/ar-AA1jT6K1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=48e360b3d9de4a46a5afdff138a46414&ei=27


Bye Mike!  

[chiver78]

I had the same thought when I heard this. lol.... 

[pulmonarymd]

Just like Groundhog Day. They went through all of this nonsense to wind up in the same position they were weeks ago. Guess very few of them want to spend Thanksgiving in DC due to a shutdown.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2023 8:14:35 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

GOP leaders aim to pass funding bill with help from Democrats  amid conservative opposition



www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-leaders-aim-to-pass-funding-bill-with-help-from-democrats-amid-conservative-opposition/ar-AA1jT6K1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=48e360b3d9de4a46a5afdff138a46414&ei=27


Bye Mike!  

so, who is our next speaker?  

[pulmonarymd]

Donald Duck. Not like the Freedom Caucus wants t do anything constructive anyway

[djAdvocate]

there is an interesting second possibility.

that is that this Speaker realizes that there is a way forward by rejecting the MAGA wing.

i will cover my ears while you all laugh at me.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 14, 2023 16:14:01 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

there is an interesting second possibility.

that is that this Speaker realizes that there is a way forward by rejecting the MAGA wing.

i will cover my ears while you all laugh at me.

You are hopelessly optimistic. The current speaker needs to join the 21st century. He is stuck in the 19th with his 'young earth creationism". He just wants to get out of Washington for Thanksgiving. To do so without enduring the wrath of almost everyone travelling over Thanksgiving he needs the government not to shut down. They can shut it down in January when far fewer people will care(if he makes it that long).

[billisonboard]

It still only takes one to force a vote to vacate. Would Democrats save Johnson unlike they did McCarthy? Perhaps.

[Tennesseer]

Abortion “until the day of birth” is almost never a thing

Abortions after 21 weeks are rare and usually the result of tragedy. Republicans want voters to think otherwise.

It’s one of the most frequent claims made by antiabortion lawmakers: That abortion rights supporters favor allowing abortions literally until the end of pregnancy.

“Frankly I think it’s unethical and immoral to allow for abortions up until the day of birth,” Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) said at last week’s GOP presidential primary debate.

At that same debate, entrepreneur-turned-presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy noted that voters in his home state of Ohio had just passed a constitutional amendment that, he said inaccurately, “now effectively codifies a right to abortion all the way up to the time of birth without parental consent.”

The Ohio election, in which 57 percent of voters in what’s lately been a red state chose to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution, has abortion opponents reeling. In addition, Virginia voters gave Democrats control of the state legislature, effectively rejecting Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s plans to ban abortion after 15 weeks, while Kentucky voters reelected Democratic Gov. Andy Beshear after he highlighted his Republican opponent’s support for the state’s abortion ban.

Combined, the election results put in question whether voters will accept even post-15-week abortion bans outside the most conservative parts of the country. Scott, the most vocal proponent of a federal 15-week ban in the GOP primary, suspended his campaign on Sunday.

But do some expectant mothers really opt for abortions as late as the day they’re due? Hardly, says Katrina Kimport. Most women who undergo later abortions wanted their pregnancies to continue, she said, “and it’s very upsetting to be mischaracterized in these public settings and maligned.”

Rest of article here: Abortion “until the day of birth” is almost never a thing

[mollyanna58]

Of course, late term abortions are rare and are medically necessary. The only ones who don't understand that are dimwits like Donald Trump and his equally dimwitted supporters.