Hunter Biden indicted

[Opti]

Speaking of MTG,


During the press conference, Comer claimed discovering “cheques from one of Hunter Biden’s shell companies that were going into an account for Joe Biden monthly.” The White House previously said the money repaid a loan.



Greene then remarked: “I would have liked to have asked Hunter Biden about Mann Act violations, sex trafficking women…” At this point Jordan interrupted, ending the event: “Thank you all very much, thank you.”



Unfazed, Greene persisted: “across state lines, that would have been a good question. You don’t seem to care about that though.” She provided no evidence Hunter Biden violated the 1910 Mann Act banning human trafficking.


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It feels like several someones, possibly all MTG, were workshopping on how to pin Matt Gaetz behavior on a BIden.

[Tennesseer]

Breaking news:  Hunter Biden showed up at his GOP Contempt of congress hearing.  All hell broke loose.

More news to come.

[Tennesseer]

I wonder if Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) was just as vocal about GOP rep Jim Jordan ignoring his subpoena to answering questions behind closed door to the J6 committee. Naaaa.

Hunter Biden makes surprise appearance at contempt of Congress hearing

Hunter Biden made a surprise appearance at a markup of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee on Wednesday as the panel considers a resolution to hold the president’s son in contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena last month.

Fireworks went off at the start of the markup when lawmakers recognized that Biden was in the hearing room. Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) asked “who bribed Hunter Biden to be here” and went after him for defying a subpoena.

“You are the epitome of white privilege. Coming in to the Oversight Committee, spitting in our face, ignoring a congressional subpoena to be deposed. What are you afraid of? You have no balls to come up here,” she said.

“I think that Hunter Biden should be arrested right here, right now, and go straight to jail,” she added.

Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-N.Y.) then suggested the panel hold a vote on hearing from Biden “right now,” asking for a show of hands from the room. Only Democrats raised their hands.

Biden walked into the hearing with his attorney, Abbe Lowell, and Kevin Morris, an associate and entertainment lawyer who is scheduled to appear before the House Judiciary Committee for a deposition next week.

Biden and Lowell exited the hearing room minutes later, just as Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) was beginning to speak. Lowell then delivered a statement to reporters criticizing GOP lawmakers and defending his client.

Rest of article here: Hunter Biden makes surprise appearance at contempt of Congress hearing

[Tennesseer]

Video not yet available. But Rep Jared Moskowitz (D) held up the subpoenas issued Jim Jordan and other associates of trump who failed to comply with the subpoenas issued to them to appear at their hearings. Moskowitz said he would vote on the Hunter Biden contempt issue if the republicans on the committee would also agree to vote on contempt charges for the subpoenaed republicans he named.

[Tennesseer]

From the transcript of  Rep Jared Moskowitz (D) calling out the republicans who failed to show up after being subpeonaed to testify in private before House committees: 

Listen, I’ll make this bipartisan. I’ll vote for the Hunter contempt today. You can get my vote. You can get my vote. But I want you to show the American people that you’re serious.

Here is the subpoena to Representative Scott Perry, who did not comply. I’d like to enter this into the record.

Here is the subpoena to Mark Meadows. I’d like to enter this into the record. Who did not comply. Here is the subpoena to Jim Jordan, who did not comply with a lawful subpoena. I’d like to enter that into the record.

Here is the subpoena to Mo Brooks, who did not comply. I’d like to enter that into the record. Here is the subpoena to Mr. Biggs, who did not comply. I’d like to enter that into the record. And here’s the subpoena to Mr. McCarthy, who did not comply. I’d like to enter that into the record.

There’s an amendment coming to add some of those names into the contempt order. You vote to add those names and show the American people that we apply the law equally, not just when it’s Democrats, right? It’s a crime when it’s Democrats, but when it’s Trump and the Republicans. It’s just fine. No, show that you’re serious and that everyone is not above the law. Vote for that amendment and I’ll vote for the Hunter Biden contempt. I yield back.

Full transcript here: Dem At Blockbuster Hunter Biden Hearing Spends Five Solid Minutes Beating Up Chairman Over Invitation To Testify

[Tennesseer]

House GOP advances Hunter Biden contempt resolution after fiery hearing

Two House panels separately voted to advance a contempt of Congress resolution against Hunter Biden on Wednesday, teeing up a full House vote and the potential for criminal charges for the president’s son.

The votes by the Oversight and Judiciary committees came hours after Biden made a surprise appearance in the Oversight markup, drawing a string of criticism from GOP lawmakers and sparking fiery exchanges between members.

“Hunter Biden’s willful refusal to comply with the Committees’ subpoenas is a criminal act. It constitutes contempt of Congress and warrants referral to the appropriate United States Attorney’s Office for prosecution as prescribed by law,” House Oversight Chair James Comer (R-Ky.) said at the start of the hearing.

“We will not provide Hunter Biden with special treatment because of his last name.”

Hunter Biden defied the subpoenas to appear for a closed-door deposition with the committees last month as part of the House GOP’s impeachment inquiry into his father, President Biden.

He instead made an appearance on the Senate lawn on the morning of his deposition, noting an offer from Comer to “drop everything” if he wanted to appear before the committee, offering only to testify in a public setting and accusing the GOP of misrepresenting other witnesses’ closed-door testimony.

Hunter Biden on Wednesday again scuttled the committee’s plans, with his brief appearance in the Oversight hearing room causing Comer to interrupt ranking member Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) to chastise photographers snapping photos of the president’s son.

Rest of article here: House GOP advances Hunter Biden contempt resolution after fiery hearing

[Opti]

Can a citizen advance a contempt resolution against the majority of the GOP house? Or do I have to find lawmakers like Bernie Sanders to sponsor my resolution?

I am past it on the stupid.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 10, 2024 18:18:52 GMT -5 Opti said:

Can a citizen advance a contempt resolution against the majority of the GOP house? Or do I have to find lawmakers like Bernie Sanders to sponsor my resolution?

I am past it on the stupid.

You might have to fight to prove you have standing to file a contempt resolution?

[Opti]

Jan 10, 2024 20:38:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 10, 2024 18:18:52 GMT -5 Opti said:

Can a citizen advance a contempt resolution against the majority of the GOP house? Or do I have to find lawmakers like Bernie Sanders to sponsor my resolution?

I am past it on the stupid.

You might have to fight to prove you have standing to file a contempt resolution?

I do not know. I am not a lawyer or trained in law. I do not know the legal definition of contempt in regards to the US House. It is likely, all I could do is float a resolution that would not pass such as requesting censure against the GOP lawmakers for acting in their political interests instead of those of the people.

And again, since this is a representative democracy, I would have to act through one or more sitting legislators to even get it on the table to do so. Or ... I could work feverishly on tshirt designs and make certain ones look like asses. 

[Tennesseer]

Jan 10, 2024 20:42:49 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 10, 2024 20:38:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

You might have to fight to prove you have standing to file a contempt resolution?

I do not know. I am not a lawyer or trained in law. I do not know the legal definition of contempt in regards to the US House. It is likely, all I could do is float a resolution that would not pass such as requesting censure against the GOP lawmakers for acting in their political interests instead of those of the people.

And again, since this is a representative democracy, I would have to act through one or more sitting legislators to even get it on the table to do so. Or ... I could work feverishly on tshirt designs and make certain ones look like asses. ;

The highlighted idea.

[Opti]

Jan 10, 2024 20:52:52 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 10, 2024 20:42:49 GMT -5 Opti said:

I do not know. I am not a lawyer or trained in law. I do not know the legal definition of contempt in regards to the US House. It is likely, all I could do is float a resolution that would not pass such as requesting censure against the GOP lawmakers for acting in their political interests instead of those of the people.

And again, since this is a representative democracy, I would have to act through one or more sitting legislators to even get it on the table to do so. Or ... I could work feverishly on tshirt designs and make certain ones look like asses. ;

The highlighted idea.

I think so too. 

[happyhoix]

Having fits over Hunter showing up, trying to impeach the secretary of defense, the way the GOP is acting you would never know there are multiple international crisis going on, plus the government is about to run out of money.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 10, 2024 21:16:03 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Having fits over Hunter showing up, trying to impeach the secretary of defense, the way the GOP is acting you would never know there are multiple international crisis going on, plus the government is about to run out of money.

Trump has his orange hands up the republicans' asses directing their actions.

[Opti]

Jan 10, 2024 21:33:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 10, 2024 21:16:03 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Having fits over Hunter showing up, trying to impeach the secretary of defense, the way the GOP is acting you would never know there are multiple international crisis going on, plus the government is about to run out of money.

Trump has his orange hands up the republicans' asses directing their actions.

It wouldn't work if they did not bend over and let him. 

[Tennesseer]

Jan 10, 2024 21:47:48 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 10, 2024 21:33:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump has his orange hands up the republicans' asses directing their actions.

It wouldn't work if they did not bend over and let him. 

But they do bend over. They need trump's endorsement to hold onto their seat and pension. Screw America is their motto.

[ripvanwinkle]

Can someone explain this. I read that Hunter wants to appear in a open hearing and the panel wants a closed hearing. Whats the difference? A hearing is a hearing no matter where it is. Am I missing something?

[billisonboard]

Jan 11, 2024 0:09:36 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Can someone explain this. I read that Hunter wants to appear in a open hearing and the panel wants a closed hearing. Whats the difference? A hearing is a hearing no matter where it is. Am I missing something?

In an open hearing, the public gets to hear everything. In a closed hearing, the public has to rely on second hand partisan claims of what was said.

[ripvanwinkle]

Jan 11, 2024 0:18:01 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 11, 2024 0:09:36 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Can someone explain this. I read that Hunter wants to appear in a open hearing and the panel wants a closed hearing. Whats the difference? A hearing is a hearing no matter where it is. Am I missing something?

In an open hearing, the public gets to hear everything. In a closed hearing, the public has to rely on second hand partisan claims of what was said.

But wouldn't it in both cases be recorded and a public record of the hearing be available?

[dondubble]

Jan 11, 2024 0:09:36 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Can someone explain this. I read that Hunter wants to appear in an open hearing and the panel wants a closed hearing. Whats the difference? A hearing is a hearing no matter where it is. Am I missing something?

Yes.

[Spellbound454]

Jan 10, 2024 21:47:48 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 10, 2024 21:33:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump has his orange hands up the republicans' asses directing their actions.

It wouldn't work if they did not bend over and let him. 

This is your new normal I'm afraid.

You do it to them they do it to you in a tit for tat exchange.

Shame politics cant just be about.....politics and what that person can do for you and yours.

Also puts good people out of the profession

[tallguy]

Jan 11, 2024 1:03:38 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 11, 2024 0:18:01 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

In an open hearing, the public gets to hear everything. In a closed hearing, the public has to rely on second hand partisan claims of what was said.

But wouldn't it in both cases be recorded and a public record of the hearing be available?

That is so naive it is almost cute.

The difference between the January 6 committee and this one is that the J6 committee had two Republicans with integrity who were in search of the truth.  This one is led by zero Republicans with integrity and the search for truth is the farthest thing from their minds.  There is ZERO chance that an open, honest portrayal of the testimony would be released.  They have repeatedly announced that they had the "smoking gun" to tie Joe Biden to crimes and corruption, been repeatedly proven wrong by their own witnesses, and still insist on blundering their way forward even though sane Republicans are admonishing them for their dishonesty and failures.  They DO NOT WANT AND WILL NOT AGREE to a public hearing for Hunter Biden because they would not be able to hide the answers. 

[Opti]

Jan 10, 2024 22:07:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 10, 2024 21:47:48 GMT -5 Opti said:

It wouldn't work if they did not bend over and let him. 

But they do bend over. They need trump's endorsement to hold onto their seat and pension. Screw America is their motto.

They believe they need Trump's endorsement to hold on to their seat and their money. Sometimes I think the conservative motto is "I got mine" at its simplest.

Most of them do not know how to survive without politics. Since Chris Christie was an attorney general (and a governor) he does. I've noticed all the principled ones except for a few exceptions like Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney have intentionally left the field before it was their time. Many because they do not know how to stand their ground in an onslaught of unpopular opinion. If you are a liberal, that can be part of your life story. The conservatives in your life - family, friends and especially coworkers and bosses are trying to shoot you down and stomp you into oblivion to get ahead. If you are still standing and moving forward, you know more than these rich folk in Congress ... no matter how they got there.

Sometimes the best choice is to bend over and be raped even if metaphorically. But probably if I assessed their lives I would likely disagree. There is little conservative rich people fear more than being poor.

[Opti]

Jan 11, 2024 3:59:08 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jan 11, 2024 1:03:38 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

But wouldn't it in both cases be recorded and a public record of the hearing be available?

That is so naive it is almost cute.

The difference between the January 6 committee and this one is that the J6 committee had two Republicans with integrity who were in search of the truth.  This one is led by zero Republicans with integrity and the search for truth is the farthest thing from their minds.  There is ZERO chance that an open, honest portrayal of the testimony would be released.  They have repeatedly announced that they had the "smoking gun" to tie Joe Biden to crimes and corruption, been repeatedly proven wrong by their own witnesses, and still insist on blundering their way forward even though sane Republicans are admonishing them for their dishonesty and failures.  They DO NOT WANT AND WILL NOT AGREE to a public hearing for Hunter Biden because they would not be able to hide the answers. 

They are using Trump's playbook because they are Trump's henchmen (and women). Trump has always used the masses for power and money. Mainly because he thinks he cannot win fairly, and looking at his actual business acumen he is right. 

[Opti]

Jan 11, 2024 3:17:37 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Jan 10, 2024 21:47:48 GMT -5 Opti said:

It wouldn't work if they did not bend over and let him. 

This is your new normal I'm afraid.

You do it to them they do it to you in a tit for tat exchange.

Shame politics cant just be about.....politics and what that person can do for you and yours.

Also puts good people out of the profession

It is not the new normal. It was. It is in its death throes. How Trump and the Grifters on Parade go down remains to be seen. I see the seeds. The bus is hurtling towards the wall. Actually its been through several retaining walls probably already but all busses run out of fuel. 

Have you heard the term dead man walking? Trump is going down. When TBD. The possibility of course is nonzero that Trumplicans would elect a convicted felon to office after all their years of saying they would not ... but I think the usual will happen instead. A liberal, or actually many of them will save the day. And it will be studied for years as a cautionary tale. The only person I think has an actual clue of what might happen and how is Rachel Maddow. 

[happyhoix]

Jan 11, 2024 7:24:19 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 11, 2024 3:17:37 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

This is your new normal I'm afraid.

You do it to them they do it to you in a tit for tat exchange.

Shame politics cant just be about.....politics and what that person can do for you and yours.

Also puts good people out of the profession

It is not the new normal. It was. It is in its death throes. How Trump and the Grifters on Parade go down remains to be seen. I see the seeds. The bus is hurtling towards the wall. Actually its been through several retaining walls probably already but all busses run out of fuel. 

Have you heard the term dead man walking? Trump is going down. When TBD. The possibility of course is nonzero that Trumplicans would elect a convicted felon to office after all their years of saying they would not ... but I think the usual will happen instead. A liberal, or actually many of them will save the day. And it will be studied for years as a cautionary tale. The only person I think has an actual clue of what might happen and how is Rachel Maddow. 

I’m thinking it will be more like a poof than an explosion. I think Trump, fueled by Diet Coke and rage, taxing a body that’s spent too many decades riding in limos and eating chocolate cake, will simply stop living one day soon, and the MAGA cult will decend into cannibalistic chaos.

[billisonboard]

Jan 11, 2024 1:03:38 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 11, 2024 0:18:01 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

In an open hearing, the public gets to hear everything. In a closed hearing, the public has to rely on second hand partisan claims of what was said.

But wouldn't it in both cases be recorded and a public record of the hearing be available?

Not immediately nor necessarily ever:

Most congressional hearings are published two months to two years after they are held. Hearings are available on govinfo as they become available during each session of Congress.

Not all congressional hearings are available on govinfo. Whether or not a hearing is disseminated on govinfo depends on the committee. link

[djAdvocate]

Jan 10, 2024 21:16:03 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Having fits over Hunter showing up, trying to impeach the secretary of defense, the way the GOP is acting you would never know there are multiple international crisis going on, plus the government is about to run out of money.

i don't really know, but i suspect that all of the theatrics are basically being ignored by the US public.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 11, 2024 3:59:08 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jan 11, 2024 1:03:38 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

But wouldn't it in both cases be recorded and a public record of the hearing be available?

That is so naive it is almost cute.

The difference between the January 6 committee and this one is that the J6 committee had two Republicans with integrity who were in search of the truth.  This one is led by zero Republicans with integrity and the search for truth is the farthest thing from their minds.  There is ZERO chance that an open, honest portrayal of the testimony would be released.  They have repeatedly announced that they had the "smoking gun" to tie Joe Biden to crimes and corruption, been repeatedly proven wrong by their own witnesses, and still insist on blundering their way forward even though sane Republicans are admonishing them for their dishonesty and failures.  They DO NOT WANT AND WILL NOT AGREE to a public hearing for Hunter Biden because they would not be able to hide the answers. 

if that were true, why would they not want to PUBLICLY torpedo Biden?

[djAdvocate]

Jan 11, 2024 7:24:19 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 11, 2024 3:17:37 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

This is your new normal I'm afraid.

You do it to them they do it to you in a tit for tat exchange.

Shame politics cant just be about.....politics and what that person can do for you and yours.

Also puts good people out of the profession

It is not the new normal. It was. It is in its death throes. How Trump and the Grifters on Parade go down remains to be seen. I see the seeds. The bus is hurtling towards the wall. Actually its been through several retaining walls probably already but all busses run out of fuel. 

Have you heard the term dead man walking? Trump is going down. When TBD. The possibility of course is nonzero that Trumplicans would elect a convicted felon to office after all their years of saying they would not ... but I think the usual will happen instead. A liberal, or actually many of them will save the day. And it will be studied for years as a cautionary tale. The only person I think has an actual clue of what might happen and how is Rachel Maddow. 

this malaise has been growing in the forward facing sense for at least a decade.  i am not sure it has reached its apex yet, but it is getting close, i think.

[tallguy]

Jan 11, 2024 13:27:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 11, 2024 3:59:08 GMT -5 tallguy said:

That is so naive it is almost cute.

The difference between the January 6 committee and this one is that the J6 committee had two Republicans with integrity who were in search of the truth.  This one is led by zero Republicans with integrity and the search for truth is the farthest thing from their minds.  There is ZERO chance that an open, honest portrayal of the testimony would be released.  They have repeatedly announced that they had the "smoking gun" to tie Joe Biden to crimes and corruption, been repeatedly proven wrong by their own witnesses, and still insist on blundering their way forward even though sane Republicans are admonishing them for their dishonesty and failures.  They DO NOT WANT AND WILL NOT AGREE to a public hearing for Hunter Biden because they would not be able to hide the answers. 

if that were true, why would they not want to PUBLICLY torpedo Biden?

Because it is NOT true.  The immediate follow-up in the post was that they have repeatedly been proven wrong by their own witnesses.  They announce things like, "Hunter Biden's associate has the proof", but then the associate specifically states that no, it was never like that and he does not believe that the president ever did anything wrong.