Trump indicted thirty-seven counts Mar-a-lago docs

[billisonboard]

Jun 10, 2023 10:39:36 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

I think there's not going to be enough popcorn in all the world to go with the shitshow trump is part of, lol.
 

I was stalking a former FB friend's page (no one from here and a definite trumpy). The person *still* supports trump and feels that the indictments are bs, that the country is doomed, and that everything the dems believe are against the morals and beliefs the country was built on.

You know, I would LOVE to hear Paul's comments on this right now. Wonder if he's still a trumpy, too.

Paul was a great window into a world that I don't want to have to actually enter.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jun 10, 2023 10:39:36 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

I think there's not going to be enough popcorn in all the world to go with the shitshow trump is part of, lol.
 

I was stalking a former FB friend's page (no one from here and a definite trumpy). The person *still* supports trump and feels that the indictments are bs, that the country is doomed, and that everything the dems believe are against the morals and beliefs the country was built on.

You know, I would LOVE to hear Paul's comments on this right now. Wonder if he's still a trumpy, too.

Leopards don’t suddenly have stripes and tigers don’t suddenly have spots. 

[billisonboard]

Jun 10, 2023 10:53:05 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Jun 10, 2023 10:39:36 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

I think there's not going to be enough popcorn in all the world to go with the shitshow trump is part of, lol.
 

I was stalking a former FB friend's page (no one from here and a definite trumpy). The person *still* supports trump and feels that the indictments are bs, that the country is doomed, and that everything the dems believe are against the morals and beliefs the country was built on.

You know, I would LOVE to hear Paul's comments on this right now. Wonder if he's still a trumpy, too.

Leopards don’t suddenly have stripes and tigers don’t suddenly have spots. 

To be fair, I remember him being all in on Cruz before being all in on Trump.

[happyhoix]

Jun 10, 2023 9:19:42 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 10, 2023 8:54:21 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

He will most definitely flip. He's just a regular person without the resources has. He can't afford to defend himself and will do what he needs to in order to avoid jail time.

Nauta, whose full name is Waltine Torre Nauta, is from Guam and enlisted in the Navy in 2001. From 2012 to 2021, he served in Washington, D.C. as part of the Presidential Food Service, according to his service record. 

...

Nauta was a valet to Trump, according to the indictment, a role that is similar to a personal assistant or "body man." Nauta would have worked closely with Trump in the White House and traveled with him, and continued to work for Trump after his presidency. 

link

I am less certain he won't fall on his sword. Career military types aren't necessarily just "regular". A willingness to take orders is something I couldn't do for a career (7 years was as much as I could take).

I’m not sure - several months ago I remember reading that Nauta had originally agreed to work with the feds but then started being difficult, trying to argue what he would testify to and what he wouldn’t talk about. The article writer felt like Nauta believed he was the key witness to the case and they would agree to anything he wanted - but instead they went ahead and indicted him along with Trump. 

If he really was considering flipping earlier (and that wasn’t just speculation) he might be willing to flip now. 

[tallguy]

Jun 10, 2023 10:56:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 10, 2023 10:53:05 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Leopards don’t suddenly have stripes and tigers don’t suddenly have spots. 

To be fair, I remember him being all in on Cruz before being all in on Trump.

Yes, but I would guess mostly because he would much rather BE Trump than BE Cruz.  Political conviction usually doesn't stand up to idolatry.      

[tbop77]

theconservativetreehouse.com/

I think this is the website that Paul developed.  Doesn't this sound just like him?  Want some cheap entertainment?  Read his articles and the comments.  


First, it is important to always remember why this indictment is taking place. The DOJ, specifically Lisa Monaco, are continuing the offensive against Trump in large part to cover for the actions of the Obama administration in the originating targeting of their political opposition. Originating Spygate operations (’15-’16), Russiagate (’16-’17), Mueller (’17-’19), Impeachment #1 (’19-’20), Durham (’19-’23) and Jack Smith ’22-present, are all part of one long continuum of weaponized DOJ and FBI operations. The entirety of the effort is to protect the actions taken by the Obama administration. [Note to congress: Questioning Durham this month is defense key #1]

[billisonboard]

Jun 10, 2023 11:04:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 10, 2023 9:19:42 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nauta, whose full name is Waltine Torre Nauta, is from Guam and enlisted in the Navy in 2001. From 2012 to 2021, he served in Washington, D.C. as part of the Presidential Food Service, according to his service record. 

...

Nauta was a valet to Trump, according to the indictment, a role that is similar to a personal assistant or "body man." Nauta would have worked closely with Trump in the White House and traveled with him, and continued to work for Trump after his presidency. 

link

I am less certain he won't fall on his sword. Career military types aren't necessarily just "regular". A willingness to take orders is something I couldn't do for a career (7 years was as much as I could take).

I’m not sure - several months ago I remember reading that Nauta had originally agreed to work with the feds but then started being difficult, trying to argue what he would testify to and what he wouldn’t talk about. The article writer felt like Nauta believed he was the key witness to the case and they would agree to anything he wanted - but instead they went ahead and indicted him along with Trump. 

If he really was considering flipping earlier (and that wasn’t just speculation) he might be willing to flip now. 

it was the absolute certainty of the post I quoted that I questioned. Speculating further, I wonder if he thought (perhaps with an assist from Trump) he could play the prosecutors to help Trump’s case.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 10, 2023 10:39:36 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

I think there's not going to be enough popcorn in all the world to go with the shitshow trump is part of, lol.
 

I was stalking a former FB friend's page (no one from here and a definite trumpy). The person *still* supports trump and feels that the indictments are bs, that the country is doomed, and that everything the dems believe are against the morals and beliefs the country was built on.

You know, I would LOVE to hear Paul's comments on this right now. Wonder if he's still a trumpy, too.

moon, you are so right.
this is going to be a shitshow at SO MANY LEVELS.
we have the proximate spectacle of the trial.
then there is going to be the hemming and hawing of the GOP, and how they position themselves in light of how incredibly badly Trump handled these documents.
and finally, you have the Nazi brigade, ready to "kill people" to defend his crimes.

yep.  it will be a busy news year.

[Opti]

Jun 10, 2023 11:11:56 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jun 10, 2023 10:56:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

To be fair, I remember him being all in on Cruz before being all in on Trump.

Yes, but I would guess mostly because he would much rather BE Trump than BE Cruz.  Political conviction usually doesn't stand up to idolatry.      

I don't think he wants to be either one. He has a natural instinct for selling and figuring out how to make money out of X. He has spent some time in that arena, but much of it begins with natural inclination. I have read some of the stuff he has, but my goal has never been attaining enough to buy myself security. I do think some of that is wired in somehow, as my one sister is like that. She also heard most of my parents arguments about money at a young age, so I think that further baked her to be a conservative.

SCP is annoying for me as I think he has some interesting ideas money-wise, but politics lets him feed his fears and insecurities and IMO that's not where you want to be as a maturing human. Not sure who he will support at this time. I am pretty sure it won't be my only pick in the GOP race now, Chris Christie. Christie annoys me as he is very pragmatic and a master politician. Interesting to see how that plays out in blood sport season for the GOP nom.

All the idiots falling in behind Trump should be at least metaphorically killed unlike SCP's very real kill all the liberals posted multiple times. (Made myself angry, goes to do RL stuff.)

SPOILER: Click to show

From a financial perspective he is way better than Trump as he is first generation wealth, or so I expect. He admires Trump's salesmanship but did not forgive him for his handling of Covid.

Someone could order Palm Beach newspapers or digital versions and just wait to see what photos Paul turns up. Then it will be easy to know which politician(s) he is supporting.

[Tennesseer]

[Tennesseer]

[happyhoix]

I wish I had a better memory. I read an article a month or two ago that if they convicted Trump of a particular charge he would be barred from ever holding public office again. I BELIEVE it was the espionage charges - and that is part of this indictment.

Fingers crossed.

Seriously, can you imagine a guy who was this reckless with classified government secrets getting the opportunity to have access to them again - for four years We’re not talking about a guy capable of learning from his mistakes, so it’s 100% certain he’d do this exact same shit again.

[Pink Cashmere]

Jun 11, 2023 9:45:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I wish I had a better memory. I read an article a month or two ago that if they convicted Trump of a particular charge he would be barred from ever holding public office again. I BELIEVE it was the espionage charges - and that is part of this indictment.

Fingers crossed.

Seriously, can you imagine a guy who was this reckless with classified government secrets getting the opportunity to have access to them again - for four years We’re not talking about a guy capable of learning from his mistakes, so it’s 100% certain he’d do this exact same shit again.

Or worse. I believe he will be even bolder and more reckless if he is not held accountable for his wrong doing and shown that he is, in fact, “touchable”.

[billisonboard]

Jun 11, 2023 9:45:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I wish I had a better memory. I read an article a month or two ago that if they convicted Trump of a particular charge he would be barred from ever holding public office again. I BELIEVE it was the espionage charges - and that is part of this indictment.

Fingers crossed.

Seriously, can you imagine a guy who was this reckless with classified government secrets getting the opportunity to have access to them again - for four years We’re not talking about a guy capable of learning from his mistakes, so it’s 100% certain he’d do this exact same shit again.

Trump is not legally prohibited from running for president from prison or as a convicted felon. 

www.politico.com/news/2023/06/10/trump-vows-to-stay-in-the-race-even-if-convicted-00101403

[billisonboard]

Jun 11, 2023 9:47:52 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

Jun 11, 2023 9:45:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I wish I had a better memory. I read an article a month or two ago that if they convicted Trump of a particular charge he would be barred from ever holding public office again. I BELIEVE it was the espionage charges - and that is part of this indictment.

Fingers crossed.

Seriously, can you imagine a guy who was this reckless with classified government secrets getting the opportunity to have access to them again - for four years We’re not talking about a guy capable of learning from his mistakes, so it’s 100% certain he’d do this exact same shit again.

Or worse. I believe he will be even bolder and more reckless if he is not held accountable for his wrong doing and shown that he is, in fact, “touchable”.

It would go behind not being held accountable. His reelection would actually be an endorsement by the American voter of his behavior.

[happyhoix]

Ok I think this is what I was remembering - if he gets charged with insurrection, there is a prohibition in the 14th amendment that could be used to prevent him from running for office.

The possible J6 insurrection charge is something Smith is still working on.

news.bloomberglaw.com/white-collar-and-criminal-law/trumps-insurrection-referral-spotlights-bar-to-holding-office

[Tennesseer]

Some of the readers of the below article left comments which indicate they don't recognize satire.

I don't want to live in a country where Trump could be held accountable

Now that my favorite president, Donald Trump, is facing a 37-count indictment from the feds, I join with my brothers and sisters in MAGA, and with all sensible Republicans, in saying this: I’m not sure I want to live in a country where a former president can wave around classified documents he's not supposed to have and say, “This is secret information. Look at this,” and then be held accountable for his actions.

I mean, what kind of country have we become? One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,” and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 37 alleged “crimes”? Look at all the other people out there in America, including Democrats like Hillary Clinton and President Joe Biden, who HAVEN’T been indicted for crimes on the flimsy excuse that there is no “evidence” they did crimes. THAT’S TOTALLY UNFAIR!

It’s like Republican Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin wrote in a tweet Friday: “These charges are unprecedented and it’s a sad day for our country, especially in light of what clearly appears to be a two-tiered justice system where some are selectively prosecuted, and others are not.”

Or as Republican Sen. Marsha Blackburn tweeted: “Where are the investigations against the Clintons and the Bidens? What about fairness? Two tiers of justice at work.”

TWO TIERS! One tier in which President Trump keeps getting indicted via both state and federal justice systems and another in which the people I don’t like keep getting not indicted via all the things Fox News tells me they did wrong.

It’s like America has become a banana republic, as long as you do as I’ve done and refuse to look up the definition of “banana republic.”

Rest of article here: I don't want to live in a country where Trump could be held accountable

[Tennesseer]

Interesting article.

A neuroscientist explains why certain Americans will never quit Trump no matter what the ex-president does

In the fiery theater of modern politics, few phenomena are as bewildering — and electrifying — as the ironclad loyalty of Donald Trump's followers.

Despite numerous political, legal and personal controversies, Trump is almost as popular as ever. On Thursday, he was hit with a 37-count indictment, which follows a Manhattan indictment, a federal indictment and a court branding him liable for sexual abuse. Looming still are the results of yet another federal investigation and separate Fulton County, Ga., probe.

And yet, Trump’s faithful fan base does not waver.

So, the psychological puzzle is, why hasn’t any of this hurt him? Not only has his popularity not been diminished, it seems that these events may have even strengthened his support.

Remember this classic Trump quote from 2016? “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,” the then-presidential candidate said. Chillingly, this bold proclamation seems to be truer than not, and that should disturb all of us, because that kind of blind loyalty poses a real threat to our democratic values and signals a trend toward authoritarianism.

To get to the heart of this enigma, let's put on our Sherlock Holmes hat and step into the world of psychology and neuroscience. A popular theory from social psychology known as terror management theory will shed some light on this puzzling human behavior.

Terror management theory is more relevant than ever because it provides an explanation for tribalism, which is really at the core of this mystery. The theory suggests that existential terror — which can be triggered by anything that is perceived to pose a threat to one’s existence — is the reason we adopt cultural worldviews, such as our religions, national identities or political ideologies. In an attempt to mitigate our fears, we latch onto philosophies that give our lives meaning and direction in a chaotic world.

But how does this explain tribalism, exactly?

Rest of article here: A neuroscientist explains why certain Americans will never quit Trump no matter what the ex-president does

[djAdvocate]

Jun 11, 2023 9:58:50 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Ok I think this is what I was remembering - if he gets charged with insurrection, there is a prohibition in the 14th amendment that could be used to prevent him from running for office.

The possible J6 insurrection charge is something Smith is still working on.

news.bloomberglaw.com/white-collar-and-criminal-law/trumps-insurrection-referral-spotlights-bar-to-holding-office

it is possible (though not likely) that the J6 trial will come first.  i can explain why on the other thread (Trump legal problems) if you would like.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 11, 2023 10:02:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Interesting article.

A neuroscientist explains why certain Americans will never quit Trump no matter what the ex-president does

In the fiery theater of modern politics, few phenomena are as bewildering — and electrifying — as the ironclad loyalty of Donald Trump's followers.

Despite numerous political, legal and personal controversies, Trump is almost as popular as ever. On Thursday, he was hit with a 37-count indictment, which follows a Manhattan indictment, a federal indictment and a court branding him liable for sexual abuse. Looming still are the results of yet another federal investigation and separate Fulton County, Ga., probe.

And yet, Trump’s faithful fan base does not waver.

So, the psychological puzzle is, why hasn’t any of this hurt him? Not only has his popularity not been diminished, it seems that these events may have even strengthened his support.

Remember this classic Trump quote from 2016? “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,” the then-presidential candidate said. Chillingly, this bold proclamation seems to be truer than not, and that should disturb all of us, because that kind of blind loyalty poses a real threat to our democratic values and signals a trend toward authoritarianism.

To get to the heart of this enigma, let's put on our Sherlock Holmes hat and step into the world of psychology and neuroscience. A popular theory from social psychology known as terror management theory will shed some light on this puzzling human behavior.

Terror management theory is more relevant than ever because it provides an explanation for tribalism, which is really at the core of this mystery. The theory suggests that existential terror — which can be triggered by anything that is perceived to pose a threat to one’s existence — is the reason we adopt cultural worldviews, such as our religions, national identities or political ideologies. In an attempt to mitigate our fears, we latch onto philosophies that give our lives meaning and direction in a chaotic world.

But how does this explain tribalism, exactly?

Rest of article here: A neuroscientist explains why certain Americans will never quit Trump no matter what the ex-president does

cult followers will quite literally "drink the KoolAid" if asked to by their leader.
so, no, the Trump Cult will NOT leave him.

the real question becomes: how large is it?

i don't believe, and never will believe, that it is 42%.
i am not even sure it is half that.
but it might be.

[billisonboard]

This caught my eye this morning:

Scotland’s former leader Nicola Sturgeon arrested amid crisis engulfing nation’s ruling party

Scotland a fellow banana republic? 

[happyhoix]

Jun 11, 2023 10:02:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Interesting article.

A neuroscientist explains why certain Americans will never quit Trump no matter what the ex-president does

In the fiery theater of modern politics, few phenomena are as bewildering — and electrifying — as the ironclad loyalty of Donald Trump's followers.

Despite numerous political, legal and personal controversies, Trump is almost as popular as ever. On Thursday, he was hit with a 37-count indictment, which follows a Manhattan indictment, a federal indictment and a court branding him liable for sexual abuse. Looming still are the results of yet another federal investigation and separate Fulton County, Ga., probe.

And yet, Trump’s faithful fan base does not waver.

So, the psychological puzzle is, why hasn’t any of this hurt him? Not only has his popularity not been diminished, it seems that these events may have even strengthened his support.

Remember this classic Trump quote from 2016? “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,” the then-presidential candidate said. Chillingly, this bold proclamation seems to be truer than not, and that should disturb all of us, because that kind of blind loyalty poses a real threat to our democratic values and signals a trend toward authoritarianism.

To get to the heart of this enigma, let's put on our Sherlock Holmes hat and step into the world of psychology and neuroscience. A popular theory from social psychology known as terror management theory will shed some light on this puzzling human behavior.

Terror management theory is more relevant than ever because it provides an explanation for tribalism, which is really at the core of this mystery. The theory suggests that existential terror — which can be triggered by anything that is perceived to pose a threat to one’s existence — is the reason we adopt cultural worldviews, such as our religions, national identities or political ideologies. In an attempt to mitigate our fears, we latch onto philosophies that give our lives meaning and direction in a chaotic world.

But how does this explain tribalism, exactly?

Rest of article here: A neuroscientist explains why certain Americans will never quit Trump no matter what the ex-president does

I think if you believe there is an international deep state behind the scenes trying to destroy America and that the libs and Dems and even moderates have foolishly fallen under the control of this hostile deep state then you will except anyone, no matter how flawed, if they tell you they will fight the deep state, and you will see anything thrown against that person as a deep state hoax.

How to convince people there is no massive Jewish led deep state? No clue. Expect to point out how unlikely it would be for millions of humans to collude on any secret project.

[djAdvocate]

i watched The Brainwashing Of My Dad last night.
it's very good.
and it gets into deprogramming a bit.

it is not even remotely impossible,

[djAdvocate]

i learned something new about Trump during this.
he is a fucking slob.

seriously, i thought he was sorta neat.
you look at his house, his office, his desk at the WH...the wife....kids...
all tidy, in order.

i also learned that he has absolutely no regard for 
state secrets.  i kinda knew that after the "inviting Russians
to the oval" episode.  but now i know the extent of it.

i never thought he was fit for office.  but now i know it.

[saveinla]

In the meantime his lawyer who promoted his election win is under investigation by the California bar - will be a good one to watch

t.co/Qy5iwjnkJQ

[Tennesseer]

Jun 11, 2023 20:34:23 GMT -5 saveinla said:

In the meantime his lawyer who promoted his election win is under investigation by the California bar - will be a good one to watch

t.co/Qy5iwjnkJQ

Eastman was and is a fool.

[Tennesseer]

[tbop77]

“This idea of presenting Trump as a victim here, a victim of a witch hunt, is ridiculous,” Barr said.


www.politico.com/news/2023/06/11/bill-barr-trump-attack-classified-documents-00101418

Guess he joined the deep state!  

[swamp]

Jun 10, 2023 11:17:11 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

theconservativetreehouse.com/

I think this is the website that Paul developed.  Doesn't this sound just like him?  Want some cheap entertainment?  Read his articles and the comments.  


First, it is important to always remember why this indictment is taking place. The DOJ, specifically Lisa Monaco, are continuing the offensive against Trump in large part to cover for the actions of the Obama administration in the originating targeting of their political opposition. Originating Spygate operations (’15-’16), Russiagate (’16-’17), Mueller (’17-’19), Impeachment #1 (’19-’20), Durham (’19-’23) and Jack Smith ’22-present, are all part of one long continuum of weaponized DOJ and FBI operations. The entirety of the effort is to protect the actions taken by the Obama administration. [Note to congress: Questioning Durham this month is defense key #1]

While I would love to wade through the crazy, I really don't want to give them the satisfaction of getting clicks.    I'm also afraid to see where the algorithm would lead me next .

[swamp]

www.newsweek.com/trump-suggests-hes-open-taking-plea-deal-specific-condition-1805827

Trump will consider a plea if he is paid restitution.  

That's not how it works.