Trump indicted thirty-seven counts Mar-a-lago docs

[happyhoix]

Daily Beast has the 49 page indictment. They also indicted his valet, Walt Nauta.

Glancing through I was impressed at how black and white it seems. They have photos or witnesses or text messages to confirm all of it.

Zero fluff.

This will be interesting.

[swamp]

WaPo also has the indictment.  I'm positively giddy reading it. 

[Tennesseer]

This is big news.

ABC interrupted its normally scheduled program at 12:50 central time. I watched it until 1:20 and then a nap overtook me. Woke up at 2:25 and ABC is still covering this breaking news.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 9, 2023 13:20:22 GMT -5 shelley413 said:

CNN is showing pictures of boxes stacked up on the stage in the ballroom, the bathroom, bedroom, and shower while reviewing the indictments.

the shower?  LOL!

that is such a ...... hoarder thing to do.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 9, 2023 14:07:40 GMT -5 swamp said:

WaPo also has the indictment.  I'm positively giddy reading it. 

would love to hear your takeaway, swamp.

[happyhoix]

Jun 9, 2023 14:53:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 9, 2023 13:20:22 GMT -5 shelley413 said:

CNN is showing pictures of boxes stacked up on the stage in the ballroom, the bathroom, bedroom, and shower while reviewing the indictments.

the shower?  LOL!

that is such a ...... hoarder thing to do.

M
They have a picture of bunch of the boxes with one of the dumped over, contents spilling out, one of them they identified as a classified document.

And they hauled the boxes all around MAL, took some to Bedminster, dropped some in the Pine Hall - such stupidity.

[happyhoix]

The Independent is reporting that Trump is doing his usual ‘attack the prosecution’ bullshit. Called him a deranged lunatic and psycho.

Hate to be one of his lawyers right now. Although two of them quit after the indictment came through. Probably because Trump is the very worst possible type if client who ignores all advice.

And he doesn’t pay his legal bills.

[swamp]

Jun 9, 2023 14:54:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 9, 2023 14:07:40 GMT -5 swamp said:

WaPo also has the indictment.  I'm positively giddy reading it. 

would love to hear your takeaway, swamp .

He’s fucked. 

[andi9899]

Jun 9, 2023 16:33:01 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jun 9, 2023 14:54:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

would love to hear your takeaway, swamp .

He’s fucked. 

Do you think he'll be held with(out) bond on Tuesday, or will he be allowed to walk around free while he awaits trial?

[Tennesseer]

Jun 9, 2023 16:33:01 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jun 9, 2023 14:54:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

would love to hear your takeaway, swamp .

He’s fucked. 

Let's hope it's ASAP. God knows trump deserves it.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 9, 2023 16:33:01 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jun 9, 2023 14:54:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

would love to hear your takeaway, swamp .

He’s fucked. 

well, that's succinct.  

[tallguy]

Jun 9, 2023 16:41:15 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 9, 2023 16:33:01 GMT -5 swamp said:

He’s fucked. 

Let's hope it's ASAP. God knows trump deserves it.

I said at the beginning of all of this:  "If this ends in any way other than Trump being executed, it will be insufficient."

I may hate him as much or more than anyone anywhere, but it cannot be denied that he has given all of us enough reason through the years to hate him without hesitation.

[Tennesseer]

Let's count Trump's current criminal charges against him.

Mar-a-lago documents:  37 active felony counts.

Stormy Daniels payoff: 34 active felony counts.

The guy is sure going to be busy in state and federal courts.

[djAdvocate]

i never want to hear another word about Biden having classified documents stored in his LOCKED garage of his PRIVATE residence again.

EVER.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 9, 2023 17:40:47 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Let's count Trump's current criminal charges against him.

Mar-a-lago documents:  37 active felony counts.

Stormy Daniels payoff: 34 active felony counts.

The guy is sure going to be busy in state and federal courts.

he will end up with over 100.  guaranteed.

so what is it i hear about these criminal miscreants threatening Civil War 2?

guess JAN6 was not enough for them?


time to round their asses up, as well.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 9, 2023 17:51:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 9, 2023 17:40:47 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Let's count Trump's current criminal charges against him.

Mar-a-lago documents:  37 active felony counts.

Stormy Daniels payoff: 34 active felony counts.

The guy is sure going to be busy in state and federal courts.

he will end up with over 100.  guaranteed.

so what is it i hear about these criminal miscreants threatening Civil War 2?

guess JAN6 was not enough for them?


time to round their asses up, as well.

I've got no problem with that. They can be permanently housed in all those vacant WalMart buildings which were at the center of a conspiracy theory a few years back. Let's make it true.

Fact Check: Walmart Locations Are NOT Military Bases Interconnected By Underground Tunnels

[swamp]

Jun 9, 2023 16:40:19 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jun 9, 2023 16:33:01 GMT -5 swamp said:

He’s fucked. 

Do you think he'll be held with(out) bond on Tuesday, or will he be allowed to walk around free while he awaits trial?

He won’t be held. The only factor to be considered is flight risk.  Although he may have to surrender his passport. 

[andi9899]

Jun 9, 2023 17:40:47 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Let's count Trump's current criminal charges against him.

Mar-a-lago documents:  37 active felony counts.

Stormy Daniels payoff: 34 active felony counts.

The guy is sure going to be busy in state and federal courts.

Fani Willis hasn't even gotten a hold of him yet. I'm so here for this!

[andi9899]

Jun 9, 2023 18:06:40 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jun 9, 2023 16:40:19 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Do you think he'll be held with(out) bond on Tuesday, or will he be allowed to walk around free while he awaits trial?

He won’t be held. The only factor to be considered is flight risk.  Although he may have to surrender his passport. 

Damn!

[Tennesseer]

Jun 9, 2023 18:59:57 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jun 9, 2023 18:06:40 GMT -5 swamp said:

He won’t be held. The only factor to be considered is flight risk.  Although he may have to surrender his passport. 

Damn!

A courtesy offered to a former U.S. president.

Trump won't flee to Slovenia (home country of Melania) as we have an extradition treaty with them.

Melania might be packing hers and her parents bags for a return to their home country with or without her criminal husband.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 9, 2023 18:59:57 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jun 9, 2023 18:06:40 GMT -5 swamp said:

He won’t be held. The only factor to be considered is flight risk.  Although he may have to surrender his passport. 

Damn!

c'mon!  the man has a private plane that is capable of flying to Dubai.
let's not kid ourselves, here.  he could go, even without a PP.
he would just have to work it out.

[djAdvocate]

i am reading this indictment.  you guys should read it.  it is fascinating.  it lays out the entire case.  i don't really see any need to go to trial, other than to answer the charges.  which should be entertaining AND pointless.


www.thedailybeast.com/unsealed-trump-indictment-says-he-stored-classified-docs-in-a-shower-at-mar-a-lago

[djAdvocate]

it took the FBI FOURTEEN months before they opened an investigation.
if Trump had returned the documents ANY TIME during that period, he 
would have skated on these charges, even though there was SIGNIFICANT
criminality prior to April 2022.

he is a self absorbed idiot.

[djAdvocate]

i can't figure out what the 30000 emails comment on page 21 is about.

anyone care to step in and help?

[Tennesseer]

Jun 9, 2023 20:19:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i can't figure out what the 30000 emails comment on page 21 is about.

anyone care to step in and help?

Trump deleted Hillary's 30,000 emails?

[happyhoix]

Jun 9, 2023 20:19:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i can't figure out what the 30000 emails comment on page 21 is about.

anyone care to step in and help?

I think that was where Trump was praising the Clinton admin who went in and deleted all those 30,000 emails that disappeared, and then when questioned about them, told the feds that he deleted all of them because they were just emails about going to the gym or out to eat - essentially taking the blame in order to take the fall for Clinton.

Essentially Trump was praising a Clinton person who did something illegal for Clinton and fell on his sword for her (or at least, this is how Trump perceived it). 

[djAdvocate]

so max 400 years and maximum $9.25M fine.

does he have any clue how much trouble he is in?

[djAdvocate]

Jun 9, 2023 20:36:15 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 9, 2023 20:19:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i can't figure out what the 30000 emails comment on page 21 is about.

anyone care to step in and help?

I think that was where Trump was praising the Clinton admin who went in and deleted all those 30,000 emails that disappeared, and then when questioned about them, told the feds that he deleted all of them because they were just emails about going to the gym or out to eat - essentially taking the blame in order to take the fall for Clinton.

Essentially Trump was praising a Clinton person who did something illegal for Clinton and fell on his sword for her (or at least, this is how Trump perceived it). 

i see.  who did he say that to?  Nauta?

[djAdvocate]

i saw one of Trump's FORMER attorneys interviewed about the documents, and he said something interesting that shoots a hole in PART of what i have been saying on this thread.

if Trump made COPIES of the NON-CLASSIFIED materials, then he is allowed to have those.  that makes sense.

when it came to the classified material, he was way cagier.  he said "i would have to see it".  i took it from that, and other comments he made that the classified material would have to be declassified for Trump to have EVEN COPIES in his possession.  

the indictment seems to indicate the same thing.  that is why there was SUCH an interest in the classified material.  although the unclassified material is also POTENTIALLY a problem, the classified material is CLEARLY a problem.

did i get any of that wrong?

[tallguy]

Jun 9, 2023 20:59:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i saw one of Trump's FORMER attorneys interviewed about the documents, and he said something interesting that shoots a hole in PART of what i have been saying on this thread.

if Trump made COPIES of the NON-CLASSIFIED materials, then he is allowed to have those.  that makes sense.

when it came to the classified material, he was way cagier.  he said "i would have to see it".  i took it from that, and other comments he made that the classified material would have to be declassified for Trump to have EVEN COPIES in his possession.  

the indictment seems to indicate the same thing.  that is why there was SUCH an interest in the classified material.  although the unclassified material is also POTENTIALLY a problem, the classified material is CLEARLY a problem.

did i get any of that wrong?

Don't think so.  The records themselves still belong to the government and must be returned.  Copies of non-classified material should be okay, but copies are not even supposed to be made of classified documents outside of official channels, as far as I can recall.