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Post by happyhoix on Jun 9, 2023 13:41:50 GMT -5
Daily Beast has the 49 page indictment. They also indicted his valet, Walt Nauta.
Glancing through I was impressed at how black and white it seems. They have photos or witnesses or text messages to confirm all of it.
Zero fluff.
This will be interesting.
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Post by swamp on Jun 9, 2023 14:07:40 GMT -5
WaPo also has the indictment. I'm positively giddy reading it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2023 14:33:27 GMT -5
This is big news.
ABC interrupted its normally scheduled program at 12:50 central time. I watched it until 1:20 and then a nap overtook me. Woke up at 2:25 and ABC is still covering this breaking news.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 14:53:56 GMT -5
CNN is showing pictures of boxes stacked up on the stage in the ballroom, the bathroom, bedroom, and shower while reviewing the indictments. the shower? LOL! that is such a ...... hoarder thing to do. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 14:54:58 GMT -5
WaPo also has the indictment. I'm positively giddy reading it. would love to hear your takeaway, swamp. |
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 9, 2023 15:40:16 GMT -5
CNN is showing pictures of boxes stacked up on the stage in the ballroom, the bathroom, bedroom, and shower while reviewing the indictments. the shower? LOL! that is such a ...... hoarder thing to do. M They have a picture of bunch of the boxes with one of the dumped over, contents spilling out, one of them they identified as a classified document. And they hauled the boxes all around MAL, took some to Bedminster, dropped some in the Pine Hall - such stupidity. |
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 9, 2023 15:45:02 GMT -5
The Independent is reporting that Trump is doing his usual ‘attack the prosecution’ bullshit. Called him a deranged lunatic and psycho.
Hate to be one of his lawyers right now. Although two of them quit after the indictment came through. Probably because Trump is the very worst possible type if client who ignores all advice.
And he doesn’t pay his legal bills.
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Post by swamp on Jun 9, 2023 16:33:01 GMT -5
WaPo also has the indictment. I'm positively giddy reading it. would love to hear your takeaway, swamp . He’s fucked. |
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 9, 2023 16:40:19 GMT -5
would love to hear your takeaway, swamp . He’s fucked. Do you think he'll be held with(out) bond on Tuesday, or will he be allowed to walk around free while he awaits trial? |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2023 16:41:15 GMT -5
would love to hear your takeaway, swamp . He’s fucked. Let's hope it's ASAP. God knows trump deserves it. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 17:15:24 GMT -5
would love to hear your takeaway, swamp . He’s fucked. well, that's succinct.  |
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Post by tallguy on Jun 9, 2023 17:15:26 GMT -5
Let's hope it's ASAP. God knows trump deserves it. I said at the beginning of all of this: "If this ends in any way other than Trump being executed, it will be insufficient." I may hate him as much or more than anyone anywhere, but it cannot be denied that he has given all of us enough reason through the years to hate him without hesitation. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2023 17:40:47 GMT -5
Let's count Trump's current criminal charges against him.
Mar-a-lago documents: 37 active felony counts.
Stormy Daniels payoff: 34 active felony counts.
The guy is sure going to be busy in state and federal courts.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 17:49:36 GMT -5
i never want to hear another word about Biden having classified documents stored in his LOCKED garage of his PRIVATE residence again.
EVER.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 17:51:16 GMT -5
Let's count Trump's current criminal charges against him. Mar-a-lago documents: 37 active felony counts. Stormy Daniels payoff: 34 active felony counts. The guy is sure going to be busy in state and federal courts. he will end up with over 100. guaranteed. so what is it i hear about these criminal miscreants threatening Civil War 2? guess JAN6 was not enough for them? time to round their asses up, as well. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2023 17:58:11 GMT -5
Let's count Trump's current criminal charges against him. Mar-a-lago documents: 37 active felony counts. Stormy Daniels payoff: 34 active felony counts. The guy is sure going to be busy in state and federal courts. he will end up with over 100. guaranteed. so what is it i hear about these criminal miscreants threatening Civil War 2? guess JAN6 was not enough for them? time to round their asses up, as well. I've got no problem with that. They can be permanently housed in all those vacant WalMart buildings which were at the center of a conspiracy theory a few years back. Let's make it true. Fact Check: Walmart Locations Are NOT Military Bases Interconnected By Underground Tunnels |
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Post by swamp on Jun 9, 2023 18:06:40 GMT -5
Do you think he'll be held with(out) bond on Tuesday, or will he be allowed to walk around free while he awaits trial? He won’t be held. The only factor to be considered is flight risk. Although he may have to surrender his passport. |
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 9, 2023 18:57:55 GMT -5
Let's count Trump's current criminal charges against him. Mar-a-lago documents: 37 active felony counts. Stormy Daniels payoff: 34 active felony counts. The guy is sure going to be busy in state and federal courts. Fani Willis hasn't even gotten a hold of him yet. I'm so here for this! |
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 9, 2023 18:59:57 GMT -5
Do you think he'll be held with(out) bond on Tuesday, or will he be allowed to walk around free while he awaits trial? He won’t be held. The only factor to be considered is flight risk. Although he may have to surrender his passport. Damn! |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2023 19:10:09 GMT -5
He won’t be held. The only factor to be considered is flight risk. Although he may have to surrender his passport. Damn! A courtesy offered to a former U.S. president. Trump won't flee to Slovenia (home country of Melania) as we have an extradition treaty with them. Melania might be packing hers and her parents bags for a return to their home country with or without her criminal husband. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 19:12:41 GMT -5
He won’t be held. The only factor to be considered is flight risk. Although he may have to surrender his passport. Damn! c'mon! the man has a private plane that is capable of flying to Dubai. let's not kid ourselves, here. he could go, even without a PP. he would just have to work it out. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 20:02:45 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 20:12:07 GMT -5
it took the FBI FOURTEEN months before they opened an investigation.
if Trump had returned the documents ANY TIME during that period, he
would have skated on these charges, even though there was SIGNIFICANT
criminality prior to April 2022.
he is a self absorbed idiot.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 20:19:50 GMT -5
i can't figure out what the 30000 emails comment on page 21 is about.
anyone care to step in and help?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2023 20:30:07 GMT -5
i can't figure out what the 30000 emails comment on page 21 is about. anyone care to step in and help? Trump deleted Hillary's 30,000 emails? |
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 9, 2023 20:36:15 GMT -5
i can't figure out what the 30000 emails comment on page 21 is about. anyone care to step in and help? I think that was where Trump was praising the Clinton admin who went in and deleted all those 30,000 emails that disappeared, and then when questioned about them, told the feds that he deleted all of them because they were just emails about going to the gym or out to eat - essentially taking the blame in order to take the fall for Clinton. Essentially Trump was praising a Clinton person who did something illegal for Clinton and fell on his sword for her (or at least, this is how Trump perceived it). |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 20:37:59 GMT -5
so max 400 years and maximum $9.25M fine.
does he have any clue how much trouble he is in?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 20:39:52 GMT -5
i can't figure out what the 30000 emails comment on page 21 is about. anyone care to step in and help? I think that was where Trump was praising the Clinton admin who went in and deleted all those 30,000 emails that disappeared, and then when questioned about them, told the feds that he deleted all of them because they were just emails about going to the gym or out to eat - essentially taking the blame in order to take the fall for Clinton. Essentially Trump was praising a Clinton person who did something illegal for Clinton and fell on his sword for her (or at least, this is how Trump perceived it). i see. who did he say that to? Nauta? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2023 20:59:56 GMT -5
i saw one of Trump's FORMER attorneys interviewed about the documents, and he said something interesting that shoots a hole in PART of what i have been saying on this thread.
if Trump made COPIES of the NON-CLASSIFIED materials, then he is allowed to have those. that makes sense.
when it came to the classified material, he was way cagier. he said "i would have to see it". i took it from that, and other comments he made that the classified material would have to be declassified for Trump to have EVEN COPIES in his possession.
the indictment seems to indicate the same thing. that is why there was SUCH an interest in the classified material. although the unclassified material is also POTENTIALLY a problem, the classified material is CLEARLY a problem.
did i get any of that wrong?
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Post by tallguy on Jun 9, 2023 21:17:46 GMT -5
i saw one of Trump's FORMER attorneys interviewed about the documents, and he said something interesting that shoots a hole in PART of what i have been saying on this thread. if Trump made COPIES of the NON-CLASSIFIED materials, then he is allowed to have those. that makes sense. when it came to the classified material, he was way cagier. he said "i would have to see it". i took it from that, and other comments he made that the classified material would have to be declassified for Trump to have EVEN COPIES in his possession. the indictment seems to indicate the same thing. that is why there was SUCH an interest in the classified material. although the unclassified material is also POTENTIALLY a problem, the classified material is CLEARLY a problem. did i get any of that wrong?Don't think so. The records themselves still belong to the government and must be returned. Copies of non-classified material should be okay, but copies are not even supposed to be made of classified documents outside of official channels, as far as I can recall. |
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