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Post by scgal on Jul 11, 2023 14:20:35 GMT -5
So if you don't get the ruling you want she must go. I think another overturn on appeal and it would be justified. Cannon agreed with Trump's lawyers that the FBI should not review the records until an independent third party scrutinized them for materials that could be covered by attorney-client privilege or executive privilege, legal doctrines that might shield some documents from disclosure.
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An appeals court later overturned Cannon's decision, siding with the U.S. Department of Justice in saying she lacked the authority to appoint a so-called special master to review them. link This could get ugly. If every ruling she makes that the justice dept don't like goes to appeal then it's not trumps team delaying. This case is about the only wrong doing trump may have done and its pretty thin. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 11, 2023 14:26:19 GMT -5
Thin? He either broke the law or he didn't. It is that simple. I thought republicans liked law and order. Was Trump legally allowed to have those documents? Yes or no? If he broke the law, he is guilty, It is as simple as that. And Trump signed the law making what he did illegal. Seems fair.
And before you Biden this, lets deal with Trump first, since as Trump believes, a sitting President cannot be prosecuted. Go ahead and impeach him over the documents. See how far that gets, since you can incite an insurrection and be acquitted.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 11, 2023 14:28:23 GMT -5
I think another overturn on appeal and it would be justified. Cannon agreed with Trump's lawyers that the FBI should not review the records until an independent third party scrutinized them for materials that could be covered by attorney-client privilege or executive privilege, legal doctrines that might shield some documents from disclosure.
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An appeals court later overturned Cannon's decision, siding with the U.S. Department of Justice in saying she lacked the authority to appoint a so-called special master to review them. link This could get ugly. If every ruling she makes that the justice dept don't like goes to appeal then it's not trumps team delaying. This case is about the only wrong doing trump may have done and its pretty thin. If she approves a long delay, an appeal could actually speed up the trial. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2023 21:47:22 GMT -5
i think the documents case is pretty simple, so long as Cannon does her job.
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Post by scgal on Jul 12, 2023 10:22:37 GMT -5
i think the documents case is pretty simple, so long as Cannon does her job. You mean just agree with the justice dept. Her job is to make sure the defendant get a fair trial. Liberals won't like that. |
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Post by scgal on Jul 12, 2023 10:25:49 GMT -5
Thin? He either broke the law or he didn't. It is that simple. I thought republicans liked law and order. Was Trump legally allowed to have those documents? Yes or no? If he broke the law, he is guilty, It is as simple as that. And Trump signed the law making what he did illegal. Seems fair. And before you Biden this, lets deal with Trump first, since as Trump believes, a sitting President cannot be prosecuted. Go ahead and impeach him over the documents. See how far that gets, since you can incite an insurrection and be acquitted. Yep that is what this is all about. Incite he didn't incite anything just another democrat spinning the truth. The only way trump is guilty of J6 is telling them to storm the capitol just telling them to go fight is not the same thing. He is innocent of that, thankfully republican senators know the difference. |
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 12, 2023 10:33:14 GMT -5
Thin? He either broke the law or he didn't. It is that simple. I thought republicans liked law and order. Was Trump legally allowed to have those documents? Yes or no? If he broke the law, he is guilty, It is as simple as that. And Trump signed the law making what he did illegal. Seems fair. And before you Biden this, lets deal with Trump first, since as Trump believes, a sitting President cannot be prosecuted. Go ahead and impeach him over the documents. See how far that gets, since you can incite an insurrection and be acquitted. Yep that is what this is all about. Incite he didn't incite anything just another democrat spinning the truth. The only way trump is guilty of J6 is telling them to storm the capitol just telling them to go fight is not the same thing. He is innocent of that, thankfully republican senators know the difference.  |
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Post by tallguy on Jul 12, 2023 10:35:04 GMT -5
i think the documents case is pretty simple, so long as Cannon does her job. You mean just agree with the justice dept. Her job is to make sure the defendant get a fair trial. Liberals won't like that. No, we would all LOVE to see Donald Trump get a fair and speedy trial. Since there is no real doubt about either the facts or the law, a fair trial will put Donald Trump in prison for years. He is even the one who, with much fanfare, made the specific crimes he committed a felony (although he is in fact not charged under that law but more serious ones instead.) The only way he will NOT spend years in prison is if she makes it NOT a fair trial. Which she is unfortunately wont to do.  |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 12, 2023 11:09:05 GMT -5
Thin? He either broke the law or he didn't. It is that simple. I thought republicans liked law and order. Was Trump legally allowed to have those documents? Yes or no? If he broke the law, he is guilty, It is as simple as that. And Trump signed the law making what he did illegal. Seems fair. And before you Biden this, lets deal with Trump first, since as Trump believes, a sitting President cannot be prosecuted. Go ahead and impeach him over the documents. See how far that gets, since you can incite an insurrection and be acquitted. Yep that is what this is all about. Incite he didn't incite anything just another democrat spinning the truth. The only way trump is guilty of J6 is telling them to storm the capitol just telling them to go fight is not the same thing. He is innocent of that, thankfully republican senators know the difference. Did Trump break the law that HE made a felony? Yes or no. Simple question. Unless you think we should let felony prosecutions go. You and your fellow conservatives are the ones spinning it. And if it was Hilary, we would all of a sudden seeing all you conservatives screaming "LOCK HER UP" |
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 12, 2023 11:15:50 GMT -5
Yep that is what this is all about. Incite he didn't incite anything just another democrat spinning the truth. The only way trump is guilty of J6 is telling them to storm the capitol just telling them to go fight is not the same thing. He is innocent of that, thankfully republican senators know the difference. perfect analogy, this. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 13, 2023 0:00:38 GMT -5
i think the documents case is pretty simple, so long as Cannon does her job. You mean just agree with the justice dept. Her job is to make sure the defendant get a fair trial. Liberals won't like that. i am a liberal, and i like it just fine. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 13, 2023 0:06:53 GMT -5
You mean just agree with the justice dept. Her job is to make sure the defendant get a fair trial. Liberals won't like that. No, we would all LOVE to see Donald Trump get a fair and speedy trial. Since there is no real doubt about either the facts or the law, a fair trial will put Donald Trump in prison for years. He is even the one who, with much fanfare, made the specific crimes he committed a felony (although he is in fact not charged under that law but more serious ones instead.) The only way he will NOT spend years in prison is if she makes it NOT a fair trial. Which she is unfortunately wont to do. many federal prosecutors feel that if the evidence is sufficient, what she is wont to do won't matter. |
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Post by Opti on Jul 13, 2023 6:27:26 GMT -5
Thin? He either broke the law or he didn't. It is that simple. I thought republicans liked law and order. Was Trump legally allowed to have those documents? Yes or no? If he broke the law, he is guilty, It is as simple as that. And Trump signed the law making what he did illegal. Seems fair. And before you Biden this, lets deal with Trump first, since as Trump believes, a sitting President cannot be prosecuted. Go ahead and impeach him over the documents. See how far that gets, since you can incite an insurrection and be acquitted. Yep that is what this is all about. Incite he didn't incite anything just another democrat spinning the truth. The only way trump is guilty of J6 is telling them to storm the capitol just telling them to go fight is not the same thing. He is innocent of that, thankfully republican senators know the difference. So for Trump you think you can split hairs and that will work? That feels like denial or magical thinking. Without a planned rally to spin his supporters up and repeating the lie he won, there is no storming of the Capitol. He told them to go, he spun them into a frenzy with other speakers. He's very guilty. It's really telling that you think simply because he did not explicitly say 'Go storm the Capitol, break things, and try to hang Mike Pence' that alone would absolve him of crafting a way to aim people to do his dirty work? Maybe you need to read more what the people who stormed the Capitol thought. They were flattered to be told they were Patriots doing the President's work. |
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Yep that is what this is all about. Incite he didn't incite anything just another democrat spinning the truth. The only way trump is guilty of J6 is telling them to storm the capitol just telling them to go fight is not the same thing. He is innocent of that, thankfully republican senators know the difference. Did Trump break the law that HE made a felony? Yes or no. Simple question. Unless you think we should let felony prosecutions go. You and your fellow conservatives are the ones spinning it. And if it was Hilary, we would all of a sudden seeing all you conservatives screaming "LOCK HER UP" What is the felony of J6 |
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You mean just agree with the justice dept. Her job is to make sure the defendant get a fair trial. Liberals won't like that. No, we would all LOVE to see Donald Trump get a fair and speedy trial. Since there is no real doubt about either the facts or the law, a fair trial will put Donald Trump in prison for years. He is even the one who, with much fanfare, made the specific crimes he committed a felony (although he is in fact not charged under that law but more serious ones instead.) The only way he will NOT spend years in prison is if she makes it NOT a fair trial. Which she is unfortunately wont to do. Honestly you cannot say that. All you have is the information in front of you spun by liberal news. You don't know what evidence will be allowed in court. After all isn't that what a trial is for? To find out if a person is guilty? No matter what the trial says you all have him guilty no matter what really because you don't like him. I would hate to see any of you on a jury panel. |
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Did Trump break the law that HE made a felony? Yes or no. Simple question. Unless you think we should let felony prosecutions go. You and your fellow conservatives are the ones spinning it. And if it was Hilary, we would all of a sudden seeing all you conservatives screaming "LOCK HER UP" What is the felony of J6 Plenty. But I am not talking about that. The felony is his actions with confidential records. Trump made what he did a felony when he signed the bill about it. That felony. He gets a pass? It is no big deal? I didn’t realize conservatives no longer care about felonies |
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No, we would all LOVE to see Donald Trump get a fair and speedy trial. Since there is no real doubt about either the facts or the law, a fair trial will put Donald Trump in prison for years. He is even the one who, with much fanfare, made the specific crimes he committed a felony (although he is in fact not charged under that law but more serious ones instead.) The only way he will NOT spend years in prison is if she makes it NOT a fair trial. Which she is unfortunately wont to do. Honestly you cannot say that. All you have is the information in front of you spun by liberal news. You don't know what evidence will be allowed in court. After all isn't that what a trial is for? To find out if a person is guilty? No matter what the trial says you all have him guilty no matter what really because you don't like him. I would hate to see any of you on a jury panel. That (the bolded) would speak directly to Judge Cannon and whether she attempts to exclude things to favor Trump's defense, thus making it not a fair trial. This case is so clear that only Trump's narcissism, his megalomania, and his disbelief that anyone would actually hold him accountable force a trial in the first place. Any other defendant would have reached a plea deal already, and would be in prison. Many people are already serving multi-year sentences for far less than Trump has done here. And I would hate to see where you get your news from. It seems woefully inadequate as a source. Not all of the evidence has been made public, so more will come out in court, but that which has been made public already is wholly sufficient in itself to justify a guilty verdict. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 13, 2023 12:19:12 GMT -5
Did Trump break the law that HE made a felony? Yes or no. Simple question. Unless you think we should let felony prosecutions go. You and your fellow conservatives are the ones spinning it. And if it was Hilary, we would all of a sudden seeing all you conservatives screaming "LOCK HER UP" What is the felony of J6 disrupting an official proceeding. conspiracy to commit that crime. unlawful assembly. felony property destruction. assault of a law enforcement official. those are just off the top of my head. and of course there are a lot of crimes RELATED to J6 that are of grave concern, as well. edit: if you are now going to ask what Trump could be charged with, it would be conspiracy. he doesn't have to even be the guy who was in charge of it, even though i think he was. he ONLY has to be a willing participant, which i think everyone here can agree he was. he spends probably 10% of his time glorifying the event on the campaign trail. |
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No, we would all LOVE to see Donald Trump get a fair and speedy trial. Since there is no real doubt about either the facts or the law, a fair trial will put Donald Trump in prison for years. He is even the one who, with much fanfare, made the specific crimes he committed a felony (although he is in fact not charged under that law but more serious ones instead.) The only way he will NOT spend years in prison is if she makes it NOT a fair trial. Which she is unfortunately wont to do. Honestly you cannot say that. All you have is the information in front of you spun by liberal news. You don't know what evidence will be allowed in court. After all isn't that what a trial is for? To find out if a person is guilty? No matter what the trial says you all have him guilty no matter what really because you don't like him. I would hate to see any of you on a jury panel. I got so tired of this working with young kids. ("While it is true that I don't like you because you are a spoiled little shit,) the actual reason I am telling you to go to the principal is that after two requests and you being assigned the consequence of no recess, you still refuse to sit in your assigned seat." |
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disrupting an official proceeding. conspiracy to commit that crime. unlawful assembly. felony property destruction. assault of a law enforcement official. those are just off the top of my head. and of course there are a lot of crimes RELATED to J6 that are of grave concern, as well. edit: if you are now going to ask what Trump could be charged with, it would be conspiracy. he doesn't have to even be the guy who was in charge of it, even though i think he was. he ONLY has to be a willing participant, which i think everyone here can agree he was. he spends probably 10% of his time glorifying the event on the campaign trail. All they have to do is show conversations between Trump and the offsite war room where Bannon and Flynn were plotting and they’ll have the conspiracy. Rumor is mark meadows may be willing to supply the link. |
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Yep that is what this is all about. Incite he didn't incite anything just another democrat spinning the truth. The only way trump is guilty of J6 is telling them to storm the capitol just telling them to go fight is not the same thing. He is innocent of that, thankfully republican senators know the difference. Did Trump break the law that HE made a felony? Yes or no. Simple question. Unless you think we should let felony prosecutions go. You and your fellow conservatives are the ones spinning it. And if it was Hilary, we would all of a sudden seeing all you conservatives screaming "LOCK HER UP" Nope, I have to disagree with you here. If this were Hillary they would have evolved to "STRING HER UP!!!" in my opinion |
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Thin? He either broke the law or he didn't. It is that simple. I thought republicans liked law and order. Was Trump legally allowed to have those documents? Yes or no? If he broke the law, he is guilty, It is as simple as that. And Trump signed the law making what he did illegal. Seems fair. And before you Biden this, lets deal with Trump first, since as Trump believes, a sitting President cannot be prosecuted. Go ahead and impeach him over the documents. See how far that gets, since you can incite an insurrection and be acquitted. Yep that is what this is all about. Incite he didn't incite anything just another democrat spinning the truth. The only way trump is guilty of J6 is telling them to storm the capitol just telling them to go fight is not the same thing. He is innocent of that, thankfully republican senators know the difference. You mean the same Senators and House speaker that said this: The article says McConnell emphasized that "there is no question" Trump remains "practically and morally responsible" for provoking the Capitol riot and that rioters believed they were acting on Trump's wishes and instructions. "Former President Trump's actions (preceding) the riot were a disgraceful – disgraceful – dereliction of duty," the article quotes McConnell as saying. “The leader of the free world cannot spend weeks thundering that shadowy forces are stealing our country and then feign surprise when people believe him and do reckless things." www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/16/fact-check-mcconnell-said-trump-was-responsible-for-capitol-riot/6767311002/“As to yesterday, it breaks my heart, that my friend, a President of a consequence, were to allow yesterday to happen,” Graham said at a press conference. “And it will be a major part of his presidency. It was a self-inflicted wound. It was going too far.” www.cnn.com/2022/01/06/politics/lindsey-graham-biden-jan-6-insurrection-speech/index.html“The president bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters,” McCarthy said on the House floor. “He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. These facts require immediate action by President Trump.” www.politico.com/news/2021/01/13/mccarthy-trump-responsibility-capitol-riot-458975That is their own words, not the liberal media spinning anything. Spin that! |
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Post by Opti on Jul 13, 2023 18:06:26 GMT -5
Based on all this evidence, I don't want to hear a damn word about Hilary's emails ever again. Amazing to learn the current conservative answer to Benghazi would be simply to point out Hillary never asked any foreigners to kill Americans. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 14, 2023 23:07:25 GMT -5
did anyone check out the Jack Smith rebuttal to the motion by the Trump team to continue the trial until after the election? it is pretty damned funny. and devastating.
Cannon will probably rule on it next week. we will see if she has learned anything in the last year.
edit: i will assert again that only the classified element of this case creates problems, and that those problems are easily overcome by precedent. this trial should be OVER by next Spring.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 15, 2023 7:06:19 GMT -5
I don't understand the issue with classified documents. They don't have to be read, requiring a clearance, just identified as classified and the nature of the subject matter. Therefore only the handlers need a clearance.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2023 11:54:24 GMT -5
I don't understand the issue with classified documents. They don't have to be read, requiring a clearance, just identified as classified and the nature of the subject matter. Therefore only the handlers need a clearance. the defense will want a security clearance. |
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I don't understand the issue with classified documents. They don't have to be read, requiring a clearance, just identified as classified and the nature of the subject matter. Therefore only the handlers need a clearance. the defense will want a security clearance.  It is common in criminal cases involving classified documents for defense attorneys to obtain security clearances.
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So why are you so desperately, pathetically fighting them? Chris Christie blasts Trump for claiming his indictment is 'a badge of honor'Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie reacted to Donald Trump's characterization of his indictments as badges of "honor and courage." Christie appeared on CNN's State of the Union on Sunday and was shown a clip of Trump from the Turning Point USA conference Saturday night. In the clip, Trump claimed: "Every time the radical Left Democrats, Marxists, communists, and fascists indict me, I consider it to be a great badge of honor and courage. I’m doing it for you. I’m being indicted for you." As Trump's opponent for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination, Christie scoffed at the statement. "He’s a liar and a coward. He’s not getting indicted for anyone other than because of his own conduct," Christie said. "When he says he’s doing it for us, that’s a lie. And when he was doing all the things that he was doing with those documents, it shows exactly what a coward he is." Complete article here: Chris Christie blasts Trump for claiming his indictment is 'a badge of honor' |
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