Trump indicted thirty-seven counts Mar-a-lago docs

[dondubble]

A great editorial in the Sunday NYTIMES by David Firestone. The Republican Definition of a Crime. Well worth reading but behind a firewall. I have the paper version.
Suffice it to say…the Repo-cons are no longer the party of law and order, in spades.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 4, 2023 13:03:49 GMT -5 dondubble said:

A great editorial in the Sunday NYTIMES by David Firestone. The Republican Definition of a Crime. Well worth reading but behind a firewall. I have the paper version.
Suffice it to say…the Repo-cons are no longer the party of law and order, in spades.

Don-I started a thread about this on June 27. On the Politics board. I snuck the complete article in my OP.

A Handy Guide to the Republican Definition of a Crime

[djAdvocate]

Jun 28, 2023 11:53:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 28, 2023 11:37:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

not following you, here.  Comey is not a prosecutor.  the DOJ was responsible for prosecuting Hillary.  the DOJ didn't take up the case.  under Trump.  that never made any sense to me, if they really felt they had something.  i concluded that they didn't feel that they had anything.  what did YOU conclude?

and Comey, above all other people, is responsible for Hillary losing the presidency- something she arguably spent half her life "setting up".  what could POSSIBLY be more punitive than that?

He recommended no criminal charges that was not his job. He gave her a pass. Just like everyone is giving Biden a pass on the documents that he had. 

this still does not answer the question: Trump spent a year telling us that he would lock her up.  most of that year was AFTER Comey made his recommendation.

the whole idea of changing government is that it gives cases like this a chance for fresh review- fresh eyes.  Trump campaigned on it.  Trump said he would do it.  Trump has no respect for opinion that differs from his own.  so WHY DID HE NOT PURSUE IT?

[djAdvocate]

Jun 29, 2023 12:36:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 7:51:46 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Yeah trump had nothing to do with the insurrection.

Sure they other news stations are biased and fake news. Not like Fox News and tucker Carlson. The people on January 6the were just normal tourists doing normal tourist things, right? You just refuse to admit how far down the rabbit hole you are. Going to vote for trump again?

I thought I covered this before probably 99% No. I will surely not vote dem. I hope trump will not get the nomination. Desantis is my favorite

i find him plausibly more terrifying than Trump.  he has all the reckless ambition without the self absorption or the actuarial issues.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 3, 2023 10:03:01 GMT -5 scgal said:

poof!

let's be clear here.  very few people like Hillary.  ok?  i would doubt more than a handful on this board.  but the amount of abuse she has taken during and since 2016 actually makes me feel a bit more kindly about her.

in any case, i think it might be time to put this one out to pasture.  it is getting old.  she will never run for public office again.

[chiver78]

doing a little bit of cleanup in this thread, apologies if you're looking for something that isn't here anymore. 

scgal - the last time a post of yours was reported, I suggested you reacquaint yourself with the CoC you agreed to follow when you joined this board. I'll suggest again that you do that, while you're on a day's vacation. the general board is visible while you're locked out. here's a link for you link

-chiver mod

[djAdvocate]

anyone else care to answer my question?  Trump probably said "lock her up" 1000x AFTER Comey recommended against it.  why did the Trump Administration NOT pursue it?

is there an actual answer, or is it just blame Biden or something?

[pulmonarymd]

Do they have an actual answer to anything trump claims. It all blame the deep state, the libs, or whataboutism

[tallguy]

Jul 4, 2023 20:40:01 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

anyone else care to answer my question?  Trump probably said "lock her up" 1000x AFTER Comey recommended against it.  why did the Trump Administration NOT pursue it?

is there an actual answer, or is it just blame Biden or something?

Because it was typical Trumpism.  Keep saying stupid sh** to rile up the even-more-stupid supporters, regardless if there is anything actually there or not.  There was never any chance of Hillary being locked up for anything, because in all of the various investigations they never found any actual wrongdoing.  At worst it was some degree of carelessness, and even that not a particularly high level, and certainly not an egregious one.  Donald Trump committed many actual crimes.  Hillary Clinton did not. 

[djAdvocate]

Jul 4, 2023 21:18:55 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jul 4, 2023 20:40:01 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

anyone else care to answer my question?  Trump probably said "lock her up" 1000x AFTER Comey recommended against it.  why did the Trump Administration NOT pursue it?

is there an actual answer, or is it just blame Biden or something?

Because it was typical Trumpism.  Keep saying stupid sh** to rile up the even-more-stupid supporters, regardless if there is anything actually there or not.  There was never any chance of Hillary being locked up for anything, because in all of the various investigations they never found any actual wrongdoing.  At worst it was some degree of carelessness, and even that not a particularly high level, and certainly not an egregious one.  Donald Trump committed many actual crimes.  Hillary Clinton did not. 

of course not!  but that won't stop Republicans from chasing bunnies.  they did it with Clinton over Benghazi- a tremendous 16 layer nothing burger that must have been in nine figures when it was said and done.  Whitewater.  ETC.  so, why, given the campaign rhetoric, didn't they take another bite out if that apple?

seriously, it is NEVER talked about any more, but i still wonder WHY?

NOTE: i think your last sentence is a good reason FOR them to go after Clinton.  it breeds contempt for the legal system.  that is another subgoal of the neofascist wing of the GOP, and i am actually being kind right there.

[djAdvocate]

ok, i did a little more research on this.  here is Trump on NOVEMBER 5TH, 2016, three days before the election, and many months after Comey said he would not charge Hillary.  in this clip, Trump is praising Comey and saying that "having a president under indictment would create a constitutional crisis".  this was his final case for winning the presidency.  if it resonated with even 0.1% of the electorate, it might have won him the election.

i think Biden should use it in campaign ads:

[djAdvocate]

ok, maybe that is why.  because if you follow the logic, it disqualifies him (according to him).

i want to point out, AGAIN, that in THIS SAME SPEECH Trump praises Comey and looks forward to working with the "fine people" of the FBI to prosecute Hillary.  so, yeah, not only did Trump not see Comey as an OBSTACLE in this pursuit, but an ally.

but i think i figured out the why.  it no longer serves Trump to point this out, because he is 100x worse than anything he ever accused Clinton of being.

[tbop77]

Jul 4, 2023 20:40:01 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

anyone else care to answer my question?  Trump probably said "lock her up" 1000x AFTER Comey recommended against it.  why did the Trump Administration NOT pursue it?

is there an actual answer, or is it just blame Biden or something?

I'm sure it will be in two weeks, like his healthcare plan, infrastructure bill, middle class tax cuts, or Mexico paying for the wall.  

[scgal]

Jul 4, 2023 18:24:52 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

doing a little bit of cleanup in this thread, apologies if you're looking for something that isn't here anymore. 

scgal - the last time a post of yours was reported, I suggested you reacquaint yourself with the CoC you agreed to follow when you joined this board. I'll suggest again that you do that, while you're on a day's vacation. the general board is visible while you're locked out. here's a link for you link

-chiver mod

can you message me and let me know what it was that was out of coc

[moon/Laura]

Jul 7, 2023 7:10:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 4, 2023 18:24:52 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

doing a little bit of cleanup in this thread, apologies if you're looking for something that isn't here anymore. 

scgal - the last time a post of yours was reported, I suggested you reacquaint yourself with the CoC you agreed to follow when you joined this board. I'll suggest again that you do that, while you're on a day's vacation. the general board is visible while you're locked out. here's a link for you link

-chiver mod

can you message me and let me know what it was that was out of coc

It was the political name calling - your alternate name for Hillary.

[billisonboard]

Jul 7, 2023 8:53:53 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Jul 7, 2023 7:10:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

can you message me and let me know what it was that was out of coc

It was the political name calling - your alternate name for Hillary.

When I saw that, it reminded me of the debate we had on that issue. Didn't we have a vote on it?

[chiver78]

Jul 7, 2023 8:57:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 7, 2023 8:53:53 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

It was the political name calling - your alternate name for Hillary.

When I saw that, it reminded me of the debate we had on that issue. Didn't we have a vote on it?

I don't remember either way, but it is codified in the CoC in an addendum. I'm not sure if scgal has seen her PM yet, but I did send her the specific section in a quote. 

[billisonboard]

I'm fairly confident it was a posters of that time decision to place that limit on ourselves. I mention it because I think it a part of board history that shouldn't be lost, that it wasn't something imposed on us but something we chose.

[tallguy]

Jul 7, 2023 9:12:54 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I'm fairly confident it was a posters of that time decision to place that limit on ourselves. I mention it because I think it a part of board history that shouldn't be lost, that it wasn't something imposed on us but something we chose.

Yes it was.  And I remember some who were very unhappy about it too.

[billisonboard]

Jul 7, 2023 10:06:52 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jul 7, 2023 9:12:54 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I'm fairly confident it was a posters of that time decision to place that limit on ourselves. I mention it because I think it a part of board history that shouldn't be lost, that it wasn't something imposed on us but something we chose.

Yes it was.  And I remember some who were very unhappy about it too.

Yeah, I think djAdvocate left for a while, or at least threatened to do so. I know I really struggled which way to go on it.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 7, 2023 8:58:57 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 7, 2023 8:57:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

When I saw that, it reminded me of the debate we had on that issue. Didn't we have a vote on it?

I don't remember either way, but it is codified in the CoC in an addendum. I'm not sure if scgal has seen her PM yet, but I did send her the specific section in a quote. 

yes, we had a vote on it.  and it was actually pretty close.

i lost.  and the current policy is "no name calling".

[scgal]

I get it I crossed the line. Kind of odd thou that you can say to someone stop acting like an ass and that is ok as long as you don't call them a ass.

[billisonboard]

6 1/2 years later the whole voting thing feels a little ... quaint(?). I voted for no name calling because of a concern of what Trump was doing to destroy basic political norms. I thought there would be a benefit in attempting to maintain some level of civility in political discussions. Really didn't imagine he would be able to get things as low as he has done. Not sure I would vote the same today.

[Tennesseer]

[Tennesseer]

Charges seem pretty cut and dry to me. Nothing complex about the charges at all. Plus it's just another stall tactic.

Trump lawyers ask to delay Mar-a-Lago documents trial

Former President Trump’s attorneys are asking a judge to delay his trial in the Mar-a-Lago documents case without setting a new start date.

“The government’s request to begin a trial of this magnitude within six months of indictment is unreasonable, telling, and would result in a miscarriage of justice,” they wrote in the brief.

“The Government appears to favor an expedited (and therefore cursory) approach to this case,” they added.

The Justice Department has requested a Dec. 11 trial date. Judge Aileen Cannon had earlier set an initial August trial date, which the filing also asks her to withdraw.

Trump’s team also argues the prosecution will hinder his efforts to run for office.

Trump’s legal team was widely expected to pursue delays in the trial, but the late Monday filing outlines a plan to challenge what they argue are numerous complex legal issues that “will result in a dismissal of the indictment.”

Rest of article here: Trump lawyers ask to delay Mar-a-Lago documents trial

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I'm looking forward to the judges ruling. This will tell if she's still a trumper or wised up and will support law and the justice system. If she goes for trump again I want her removed from the case and her judge position.

[scgal]

Jul 11, 2023 11:00:52 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'm looking forward to the judges ruling. This will tell if she's still a trumper or wised up and will support law and the justice system. If she goes for trump again I want her removed from the case and her judge position.

So if you don't get the ruling you want she must go. 

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Jul 11, 2023 14:00:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 11, 2023 11:00:52 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'm looking forward to the judges ruling. This will tell if she's still a trumper or wised up and will support law and the justice system. If she goes for trump again I want her removed from the case and her judge position.

So if you don't get the ruling you want she must go. 

Nice try. The ruling I want is one supported by many law scholars and judges who have pointed out her biased ruling for trump in the past and she was reversed on some. If she keeps showing bias toward trump then she must go.

If you haven't noticed, in civil law suites, trump has a record of delaying legal proceedings and starting new law suites until people can't afford to continue. The government doesn't have to put up with this MO. Look at how many of the stolen election suites were thrown out and some lawyers warned by judges of their merit.

[billisonboard]

Jul 11, 2023 14:00:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 11, 2023 11:00:52 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'm looking forward to the judges ruling. This will tell if she's still a trumper or wised up and will support law and the justice system. If she goes for trump again I want her removed from the case and her judge position.

So if you don't get the ruling you want she must go. 

I think another overturn on appeal and it would be justified.

Cannon agreed with Trump's lawyers that the FBI should not review the records until an independent third party scrutinized them for materials that could be covered by attorney-client privilege or executive privilege, legal doctrines that might shield some documents from disclosure.

...

An appeals court later overturned Cannon's decision, siding with the U.S. Department of Justice in saying she lacked the authority to appoint a so-called special master to review them. link

[scgal]

Jul 11, 2023 14:10:44 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Jul 11, 2023 14:00:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

So if you don't get the ruling you want she must go. 

Nice try. The ruling I want is one supported by many law scholars and judges who have pointed out her biased ruling for trump in the past and she was reversed on some. If she keeps showing bias toward trump then she must go.

If you haven't noticed, in civil law suites, trump has a record of delaying legal proceedings and starting new law suites until people can't afford to continue. The government doesn't have to put up with this MO. Look at how many of the stolen election suites were thrown out and some lawyers warned by judges of their merit.

law scholars and other judges are not on the case she is. If she does cross the line i'm sure it will be looked into but a bunch of sideliners that don't like trumb is nothing more than armchair quaterbacks