Trump indicted thirty-seven counts Mar-a-lago docs

[busymom]

And don't get me started on DeSantis.  I lived in FL when he was governor.  You want to see a sh*thole country?  That'll be the US if he ever becomes president.


My old neighbors are telling me about a huge homeless encampment close to where I used to live.  I'm going to drive down that highway when I visit later this year just to see if for myself.  I will report back.  And no, the government has done nothing to help these people.  How'd you like to be living with small children in a tent, in survival mode?  

[happyhoix]

Jun 30, 2023 10:47:43 GMT -5 busymom said:

And don't get me started on DeSantis.  I lived in FL when he was governor.  You want to see a sh*thole country?  That'll be the US if he ever becomes president.


My old neighbors are telling me about a huge homeless encampment close to where I used to live.  I'm going to drive down that highway when I visit later this year just to see if for myself.  I will report back.  And no, the government has done nothing to help these people.  How'd you like to be living with small children in a tent, in survival mode?  

In Florida in the summer? Hell no.

[happyhoix]

Jun 29, 2023 13:53:59 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Jun 29, 2023 13:45:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

He's running on "Make America Florida". Florida is falling apart. You'd have to be a complete idiot to vote for DeSantis Trump. He can't even handle one state, you (general you, not you specifically) want to give him 49 more?! The only people that would vote for DeSantis Trump are bigots who are more worried about "owning the libs" than actual human lives. I know we have a lot of those in this country, but I don’t didn't think there are were enough to win him a whole presidency.

Let's play word replacement.

DeSantis's authoritarian moves in FL scare the crap out of me and I think his policies are going to (or do) appeal to a lot of Trump voters. Logical voters in 2016 on both sides of the aisle ever believed Trump would win, but here we are, dealing with the aftermath that seems never ending.

Yeah but DeSantis signed in a new law that further cracks down on illegal immigrants. They had a news story on TV this morning where agriculture jobs in Florida are estimated to use 40% undocumented workers, and this year they’re scarce. Many are moving to other states. DeSantis claims the jobs will be filled by legal residents, but at a time of low unemployment, what’s the likelihood Floridians will sign up for low paid/ very hard manual work jobs? If farmers can’t get their crops picked this fall how happy will they be with DeSantis? If DeSantis loses the ag vote, he’s toast.

[scgal]

Jun 29, 2023 13:45:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jun 29, 2023 13:12:57 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Never say never. Somehow DT ended up in the Oval Office.

He's running on "Make America Florida". Florida is falling apart. You'd have to be a complete idiot to vote for DeSantis. He can't even handle one state, you (general you, not you specifically) want to give him 49 more?! The only people that would vote for DeSantis are bigots who are more worried about "owning the libs" than actual human lives. I know we have a lot of those in this country, but I don’t think there are enough to win him a whole presidency.

Care to list some of the ways Desantis is causing Florida dismise

[scgal]

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

I agree there might be a slim chance people take it wrong. Legally he did nothing wrong and not anything that would warrant an impeachment. It is typical dem crap 1+1=5000.

[scgal]

Jun 29, 2023 18:00:28 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

What does scgal do for work?  Does anyone know? Because she sure seems to think she knows more than doctors, lawyers, law enforcement, etc. I'm just wondering where all this "knowledge" she has comes from (other than Fox Entertainment).....

Not much of any of those. A small amount in law enforcement before pregancy. I don't know where you get the ideas that I know so much. I have an opinion like you have yours, but mine differs from yours. Doctors I refer to them for abortion issue I keep saying that so I don't know where you think I know more than DR's. Lawyers same thing I do golf with male and female lawers in our club and shooting club, in fact we talked about the legitimacy of the J6 impeachment. They all said the same thing good thing for them it was a dem congress it would never hold up in a court of law. 

As far a my profession I'm a program manager 

[billisonboard]

Jul 3, 2023 10:09:34 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

I agree there might be a slim chance people take it wrong. Legally he did nothing wrong and not anything that would warrant an impeachment. It is typical dem crap 1+1=5000.

Okay, slim chance if you must. He was the President of the United States. He needed to understand there was a chance he could be taken wrong and worked harder to eliminate that chance. And, failing that, jumped in quickly to have a second go at preventing advancing violence. And, failing that, speak out clearly after the fact condemning what took place.

[andi9899]

Jul 3, 2023 10:05:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 13:45:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

He's running on "Make America Florida". Florida is falling apart. You'd have to be a complete idiot to vote for DeSantis. He can't even handle one state, you (general you, not you specifically) want to give him 49 more?! The only people that would vote for DeSantis are bigots who are more worried about "owning the libs" than actual human lives. I know we have a lot of those in this country, but I don’t think there are enough to win him a whole presidency.

Care to list some of the ways Desantis is causing Florida dismise

Have you been living under a rock, or are you really that ignorant?

1. Don't say gay. This will lead to a certain uptick in LGBTQ people unaliving themselves. They are already hated. Why can't they just be allowed to exist?

2. He has banned all gender affirming care for trans people. This will most definitely lead to death for them either at their own hands or those of others. He's basically put a target on their backs and those of the people who love them.

3. He outlawed undocumented immigrants. As a result jobsites are a ghost town and crops are rotting. Florida has become a ghost town. Note that none of the "they're taking our jobs" crowd has stepped up to pick up the slack.

4. His war on Disney has crippled the tourism industry as nobody wants anything to do with FL now. Tourism is 80% of FL economy and he doesn’t seem to care.

5. FL has the highest foreclosure rate of all 50 states. That happened on Ronnie's watch.

6. Abortion bans are going to kill women and red states already had higher rates of maternal mortality before any bans were introduced.

This is just what I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure I'll have more later. Why on earth should this joke of a leader be allowed to run a whole country?! If you agree with and support that man, that makes you a disgusting bigot. I speak in terms of the general you, as in all people supporting him, not just you as an individual.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 3, 2023 10:09:34 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

I agree there might be a slim chance people take it wrong. Legally he did nothing wrong and not anything that would warrant an impeachment. It is typical dem crap 1+1=5000.

FYI. Read the constitution. You can impeach a president for "High crimes and misdemeanors" The term is not defined. And if you think that sitting and watching an insurrection, and doing nothing to put it down doesn't fit the definition, you insane.

[scgal]

Jul 3, 2023 10:31:25 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:05:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Care to list some of the ways Desantis is causing Florida dismise

Have you been living under a rock, or are you really that ignorant?

1. Don't say gay. This will lead to a certain uptick in LGBTQ people unaliving themselves. They are already hated. Why can't they just be allowed to exist?

2. He has banned all gender affirming care for trans people. This will most definitely lead to death for them either at their own hands or those of others. He's basically put a target on their backs and those of the people who love them.

3. He outlawed undocumented immigrants. As a result jobsites are a ghost town and crops are rotting. Florida has become a ghost town. Note that none of the "they're taking our jobs" crowd has stepped up to pick up the slack.

4. His war on Disney has crippled the tourism industry as nobody wants anything to do with FL now. Tourism is 80% of FL economy and he doesn’t seem to care.

5. FL has the highest foreclosure rate of all 50 states. That happened on Ronnie's watch.

6. Abortion bans are going to kill women and red states already had higher rates of maternal mortality before any bans were introduced.

This is just what I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure I'll have more later. Why on earth should this joke of a leader be allowed to run a whole country?! If you agree with and support that man, that makes you a disgusting bigot. I speak in terms of the general you, as in all people supporting him, not just you as an individual.

OK so this is really just a difference of opinion. I'll make it short. I agree with 1-2-3-6. 4+5 I don't know much about didn't really care to read anything about the disney shit. So for me that would make it a reason to go to live in Florida. It's just a difference of opinion you want to see it one way others see it differently. The ones who don't like it leave the ones who do stay. Pretty simple.

[andi9899]

Jul 3, 2023 10:43:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:31:25 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Have you been living under a rock, or are you really that ignorant?

1. Don't say gay. This will lead to a certain uptick in LGBTQ people unaliving themselves. They are already hated. Why can't they just be allowed to exist?

2. He has banned all gender affirming care for trans people. This will most definitely lead to death for them either at their own hands or those of others. He's basically put a target on their backs and those of the people who love them.

3. He outlawed undocumented immigrants. As a result jobsites are a ghost town and crops are rotting. Florida has become a ghost town. Note that none of the "they're taking our jobs" crowd has stepped up to pick up the slack.

4. His war on Disney has crippled the tourism industry as nobody wants anything to do with FL now. Tourism is 80% of FL economy and he doesn’t seem to care.

5. FL has the highest foreclosure rate of all 50 states. That happened on Ronnie's watch.

6. Abortion bans are going to kill women and red states already had higher rates of maternal mortality before any bans were introduced.

This is just what I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure I'll have more later. Why on earth should this joke of a leader be allowed to run a whole country?! If you agree with and support that man, that makes you a disgusting bigot. I speak in terms of the general you, as in all people supporting him, not just you as an individual.

OK so this is really just a difference of opinion. I'll make it short. I agree with 1-2-3-6. 4+5 I don't know much about didn't really care to read anything about the disney shit. So for me that would make it a reason to go to live in Florida. It's just a difference of opinion you want to see it one way others see it differently. The ones who don't like it leave the ones who do stay. Pretty simple.

The fact that you don't have a problem with 1, 2, 3, and 6 and would still support that man disgusts me. Any person who has a problem with basic human rights is not someone I care to know.

[scgal]

Jul 3, 2023 10:49:45 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:43:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

OK so this is really just a difference of opinion. I'll make it short. I agree with 1-2-3-6. 4+5 I don't know much about didn't really care to read anything about the disney shit. So for me that would make it a reason to go to live in Florida. It's just a difference of opinion you want to see it one way others see it differently. The ones who don't like it leave the ones who do stay. Pretty simple.

The fact that you don't have a problem with 1, 2, 3, and 6 and would still support that man disgusts me. Any person who has a problem with basic human rights is not someone I care to know.

See we can agree to disagree. The fact that people who would agree with 1-2-3-6 would disgust me. So the way I see it don't go to Florida you wouldn't enjoy it there. I also would argue about the basic human right on that shit. 

[laterbloomer]

Jul 3, 2023 10:09:34 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

I agree there might be a slim chance people take it wrong. Legally he did nothing wrong and not anything that would warrant an impeachment. It is typical dem crap 1+1=5000.

Do you really, truly believe what you are saying? Or are you just trolling?
For the record the people charged in the insurrection said they were acting on Trump's orders. They are actually pretty pissed that he is denying it.

[scgal]

Jul 3, 2023 11:25:16 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:09:34 GMT -5 scgal said:

I agree there might be a slim chance people take it wrong. Legally he did nothing wrong and not anything that would warrant an impeachment. It is typical dem crap 1+1=5000.

Do you really, truly believe what you are saying? Or are you just trolling?
For the record the people charged in the insurrection said they were acting on Trump's orders. They are actually pretty pissed that he is denying it.

Actually I do, no trolling.
The people who say that, it is their issue they may have taken it out of context or used it to rile themselves up either way it is not his doing. 

When I look at events like this and discussions come up I want to look inside of myself what do I believe and how I feel sometime I look at it as if I was on a jury and go by facts not connect the dots or maybe he ment this or that but the actual facts and that is what I go with. Now to be honest I also have a hard time doing this with someone who I detest also. But I do try.  

[laterbloomer]

Jul 3, 2023 11:44:07 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 3, 2023 11:25:16 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Do you really, truly believe what you are saying? Or are you just trolling?
For the record the people charged in the insurrection said they were acting on Trump's orders. They are actually pretty pissed that he is denying it.

Actually I do, no trolling.
The people who say that, it is their issue they may have taken it out of context or used it to rile themselves up either way it is not his doing. 

When I look at events like this and discussions come up I want to look inside of myself what do I believe and how I feel sometime I look at it as if I was on a jury and go by facts not connect the dots or maybe he ment this or that but the actual facts and that is what I go with. Now to be honest I also have a hard time doing this with someone who I detest also. But I do try.  

I really try to do that myself. See my stand on the free speech ruling.
I honestly don't see how you can come to the conclusion that he did not/does not ask his followers to act violently. It reminds me of those games people play where they say "I can't tell you what you want to know but I'm going to leave the room and leave this file right here". They told the people what they wanted to know. Childish word games don't belong in an adult world with real consequences.

[billisonboard]

Jul 3, 2023 11:44:07 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 3, 2023 11:25:16 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Do you really, truly believe what you are saying? Or are you just trolling?
For the record the people charged in the insurrection said they were acting on Trump's orders. They are actually pretty pissed that he is denying it.

Actually I do, no trolling.
The people who say that, it is their issue they may have taken it out of context or used it to rile themselves up either way it is not his doing. 

When I look at events like this and discussions come up I want to look inside of myself what do I believe and how I feel sometime I look at it as if I was on a jury and go by facts not connect the dots or maybe he ment this or that but the actual facts and that is what I go with. Now to be honest I also have a hard time doing this with someone who I detest also. But I do try.  

The issue I have with this is the jury perspective doesn't work here (for me at least). Impeachment is political but not necessarily partisan. It is my expectation as an American citizen that the legislative branch hold the executive branch to a high standard of behavior. They were working to do that with Nixon before he resigned. They did that with Clinton. That is what they did (twice) with Trump. Not some minimal level of toeing but not crossing the line into illegal activity but a high standard of ethical behavior. As a member of a jury, a different standard is appropriate to use.

[happyhoix]

Jul 3, 2023 10:43:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:31:25 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Have you been living under a rock, or are you really that ignorant?

1. Don't say gay. This will lead to a certain uptick in LGBTQ people unaliving themselves. They are already hated. Why can't they just be allowed to exist?

2. He has banned all gender affirming care for trans people. This will most definitely lead to death for them either at their own hands or those of others. He's basically put a target on their backs and those of the people who love them.

3. He outlawed undocumented immigrants. As a result jobsites are a ghost town and crops are rotting. Florida has become a ghost town. Note that none of the "they're taking our jobs" crowd has stepped up to pick up the slack.

4. His war on Disney has crippled the tourism industry as nobody wants anything to do with FL now. Tourism is 80% of FL economy and he doesn’t seem to care.

5. FL has the highest foreclosure rate of all 50 states. That happened on Ronnie's watch.

6. Abortion bans are going to kill women and red states already had higher rates of maternal mortality before any bans were introduced.

This is just what I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure I'll have more later. Why on earth should this joke of a leader be allowed to run a whole country?! If you agree with and support that man, that makes you a disgusting bigot. I speak in terms of the general you, as in all people supporting him, not just you as an individual.

OK so this is really just a difference of opinion. I'll make it short. I agree with 1-2-3-6. 4+5 I don't know much about didn't really care to read anything about the disney shit. So for me that would make it a reason to go to live in Florida. It's just a difference of opinion you want to see it one way others see it differently. The ones who don't like it leave the ones who do stay. Pretty simple.

Let me summarize the ‘Disney shit’ for you. 

DeSantis didn’t like how gay friendly Disney is. This started with the head of Disney said something negative about one of DeSantiis’ proposed anti-gay laws. DeSantis got all butt-hurt and spitefully tried to get back at Disney for not toeing his anti-gay line. He came up with a ‘committee’ that would control what Disney could and couldn’t do. The head of DIsney and his thousands of lawyers found a way to circumvent the bureaucratic committee, which further inflamed the DeSantis tit for tat. Ultimately, Disney announced they had decided not spend millions of dollars on a training center in Orlando because of DeSanti’s off the wall behavior. 

This is how a facist dictator behaves, not how a public servant charged with bringing growth and prosperity to a state behaves. How would you feel if the democratic governor of a blue state announced that all the businesses in that state would now celebrate diversity by flying the LGBT rainbow flag and one of the biggest businesses in the state, which happened to be owned by a Mormon businessman, spoke out against the flag requirement, and then the governor went to war with that company, setting up road blocks for trucks entering their site to look for transportation violations, or coming up with a special tax on the specific product they make.  First of all, you’d want to know why the governor of a state would be trying to impose his feelings about gay people on the state businesses - and you would be right. 

That’s the stupid shit DeSantis got into with Disney. 

[scgal]

Jul 3, 2023 12:22:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:43:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

OK so this is really just a difference of opinion. I'll make it short. I agree with 1-2-3-6. 4+5 I don't know much about didn't really care to read anything about the disney shit. So for me that would make it a reason to go to live in Florida. It's just a difference of opinion you want to see it one way others see it differently. The ones who don't like it leave the ones who do stay. Pretty simple.

Let me summarize the ‘Disney shit’ for you. 

DeSantis didn’t like how gay friendly Disney is. This started with the head of Disney said something negative about one of DeSantiis’ proposed anti-gay laws. DeSantis got all butt-hurt and spitefully tried to get back at Disney for not toeing his anti-gay line. He came up with a ‘committee’ that would control what Disney could and couldn’t do. The head of DIsney and his thousands of lawyers found a way to circumvent the bureaucratic committee, which further inflamed the DeSantis tit for tat. Ultimately, Disney announced they had decided not spend millions of dollars on a training center in Orlando because of DeSanti’s off the wall behavior. 

This is how a facist dictator behaves, not how a public servant charged with bringing growth and prosperity to a state behaves. How would you feel if the democratic governor of a blue state announced that all the businesses in that state would now celebrate diversity by flying the LGBT rainbow flag and one of the biggest businesses in the state, which happened to be owned by a Mormon businessman, spoke out against the flag requirement, and then the governor went to war with that company, setting up road blocks for trucks entering their site to look for transportation violations, or coming up with a special tax on the specific product they make.  First of all, you’d want to know why the governor of a state would be trying to impose his feelings about gay people on the state businesses - and you would be right. 

That’s the stupid shit DeSantis got into with Disney. 

This takes it to a different level with Disney. (homosexuality should not be promoted in children shows). As a business and as it appears in a court yes Desantis is at fault.

[happyhoix]

There’s a witness to a phone call Trump made to the Arizona Governor in 2020, trying to strong arm him into flipping the state to Trump.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ominous-sign-legal-experts-say-jack-smith-closing-in-after-piercing-trump-s-inner-circle/ar-AA1dmKgj?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=d804f1f3f6564690b33cf61718e0cd22&ei=28


Witnesses just seem to be falling out of the bushes lately.

[billisonboard]

Jul 3, 2023 12:30:35 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 3, 2023 12:22:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Let me summarize the ‘Disney shit’ for you. 

DeSantis didn’t like how gay friendly Disney is. This started with the head of Disney said something negative about one of DeSantiis’ proposed anti-gay laws. DeSantis got all butt-hurt and spitefully tried to get back at Disney for not toeing his anti-gay line. He came up with a ‘committee’ that would control what Disney could and couldn’t do. The head of DIsney and his thousands of lawyers found a way to circumvent the bureaucratic committee, which further inflamed the DeSantis tit for tat. Ultimately, Disney announced they had decided not spend millions of dollars on a training center in Orlando because of DeSanti’s off the wall behavior. 

This is how a facist dictator behaves, not how a public servant charged with bringing growth and prosperity to a state behaves. How would you feel if the democratic governor of a blue state announced that all the businesses in that state would now celebrate diversity by flying the LGBT rainbow flag and one of the biggest businesses in the state, which happened to be owned by a Mormon businessman, spoke out against the flag requirement, and then the governor went to war with that company, setting up road blocks for trucks entering their site to look for transportation violations, or coming up with a special tax on the specific product they make.  First of all, you’d want to know why the governor of a state would be trying to impose his feelings about gay people on the state businesses - and you would be right. 

That’s the stupid shit DeSantis got into with Disney. 

This takes it to a different level with Disney. (homosexuality should not be promoted in children shows). As a business and as it appears in a court yes Desantis is at fault.

Sexuality should not be promoted in children show. I have no problem with loving relationships being presented.

[andi9899]

Jul 3, 2023 10:59:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:49:45 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The fact that you don't have a problem with 1, 2, 3, and 6 and would still support that man disgusts me. Any person who has a problem with basic human rights is not someone I care to know.

See we can agree to disagree. The fact that people who would agree with 1-2-3-6 would disgust me. So the way I see it don't go to Florida you wouldn't enjoy it there. I also would argue about the basic human right on that shit. 

Like I said, anyone against basic human rights is disgusting and a bigot. I won't be entertaining your commentary about it.

Trust and believe that I would never set foot in FL while DeSantis is running it. He's the most vile human being there is and so are his supporters.

[moon/Laura]

Jul 3, 2023 10:43:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:31:25 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Have you been living under a rock, or are you really that ignorant?

1. Don't say gay. This will lead to a certain uptick in LGBTQ people unaliving themselves. They are already hated. Why can't they just be allowed to exist?

2. He has banned all gender affirming care for trans people. This will most definitely lead to death for them either at their own hands or those of others. He's basically put a target on their backs and those of the people who love them.

3. He outlawed undocumented immigrants. As a result jobsites are a ghost town and crops are rotting. Florida has become a ghost town. Note that none of the "they're taking our jobs" crowd has stepped up to pick up the slack.

4. His war on Disney has crippled the tourism industry as nobody wants anything to do with FL now. Tourism is 80% of FL economy and he doesn’t seem to care.

5. FL has the highest foreclosure rate of all 50 states. That happened on Ronnie's watch.

6. Abortion bans are going to kill women and red states already had higher rates of maternal mortality before any bans were introduced.

This is just what I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure I'll have more later. Why on earth should this joke of a leader be allowed to run a whole country?! If you agree with and support that man, that makes you a disgusting bigot. I speak in terms of the general you, as in all people supporting him, not just you as an individual.

OK so this is really just a difference of opinion. I'll make it short. I agree with 1-2-3-6. 4+5 I don't know much about didn't really care to read anything about the disney shit. So for me that would make it a reason to go to live in Florida. It's just a difference of opinion you want to see it one way others see it differently. The ones who don't like it leave the ones who do stay. Pretty simple.

Admitting to being a racist and a homophobic bigot, what a shock. NOT.

[Opti]

Jul 3, 2023 10:09:34 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

I agree there might be a slim chance people take it wrong. Legally he did nothing wrong and not anything that would warrant an impeachment. It is typical dem crap 1+1=5000.

I do not believe this is true. As President he his job should include keeping fellow American politicians safe and keeping American property safe and in trust for the American people. He failed at both. He failed to act when he should have because he wanted a riot and destruction. There is evidence this is true from multiple eyewitnesses who could not pry him away from the TV as he watched things unfold. He evn ignored Ivanka's pleas until allegedly around 4PM.

He actively put a target on Mike Pence's back simply because he did not like him performing his Constitutional duties as written. He wanted him to cheat, which sadly is very Trumpish.

[happyhoix]

Jul 3, 2023 23:31:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:09:34 GMT -5 scgal said:

I agree there might be a slim chance people take it wrong. Legally he did nothing wrong and not anything that would warrant an impeachment. It is typical dem crap 1+1=5000.

I do not believe this is true. As President he his job should include keeping fellow American politicians safe and keeping American property safe and in trust for the American people. He failed at both. He failed to act when he should have because he wanted a riot and destruction. There is evidence this is true from multiple eyewitnesses who could not pry him away from the TV as he watched things unfold. He evn ignored Ivanka's pleas until allegedly around 4PM.

He actively put a target on Mike Pence's back simply because he did not like him performing his Constitutional duties as written. He wanted him to cheat, which sadly is very Trumpish.

I think the worst thing Trump did regarding Jan 6th was denigrate the American election system. By claiming (even weeks before the election actually occurred) that the election was ‘rigged’ he broke our country’s tradition of the losing candidate gracefully accepting defeat. (See Gore vs Bush). His selfish demand to not be a loser (even when he clearly didn’t win) has eroded American’s trust in our election process, and fueled the rise of the loud mouthed far right minority’s belief that every election their candidates didn’t win was corrupt. That’s Trump’s fault. 

[billisonboard]

Jul 4, 2023 7:38:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 3, 2023 23:31:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

I do not believe this is true. As President he his job should include keeping fellow American politicians safe and keeping American property safe and in trust for the American people. He failed at both. He failed to act when he should have because he wanted a riot and destruction. There is evidence this is true from multiple eyewitnesses who could not pry him away from the TV as he watched things unfold. He evn ignored Ivanka's pleas until allegedly around 4PM.

He actively put a target on Mike Pence's back simply because he did not like him performing his Constitutional duties as written. He wanted him to cheat, which sadly is very Trumpish.

I think the worst thing Trump did regarding Jan 6th was denigrate the American election system. By claiming (even weeks before the election actually occurred) that the election was ‘rigged’ he broke our country’s tradition of the losing candidate gracefully accepting defeat. (See Gore vs Bush). His selfish demand to not be a loser (even when he clearly didn’t win) has eroded American’s trust in our election process, and fueled the rise of the loud mouthed far right minority’s belief that every election their candidates didn’t win was corrupt. That’s Trump’s fault. 

Feb. 3, 2016:

... Trump wrote, "Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified." 

In another: "Cruz did not win Iowa, he stole it." 

link

[tbop77]

Jul 3, 2023 10:31:25 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:05:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Care to list some of the ways Desantis is causing Florida dismise

Have you been living under a rock, or are you really that ignorant?

1. Don't say gay. This will lead to a certain uptick in LGBTQ people unaliving themselves. They are already hated. Why can't they just be allowed to exist?

2. He has banned all gender affirming care for trans people. This will most definitely lead to death for them either at their own hands or those of others. He's basically put a target on their backs and those of the people who love them.

3. He outlawed undocumented immigrants. As a result jobsites are a ghost town and crops are rotting. Florida has become a ghost town. Note that none of the "they're taking our jobs" crowd has stepped up to pick up the slack.

4. His war on Disney has crippled the tourism industry as nobody wants anything to do with FL now. Tourism is 80% of FL economy and he doesn’t seem to care.

5. FL has the highest foreclosure rate of all 50 states. That happened on Ronnie's watch.

6. Abortion bans are going to kill women and red states already had higher rates of maternal mortality before any bans were introduced.

This is just what I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure I'll have more later. Why on earth should this joke of a leader be allowed to run a whole country?! If you agree with and support that man, that makes you a disgusting bigot. I speak in terms of the general you, as in all people supporting him, not just you as an individual.

Add he has destroyed the school system.  My daughter teaches in FL.  At her school, they had 22 teachers that are not returning.  She said she hopes parents are ready for long term subs this fall.  

[tbop77]

Jul 3, 2023 10:09:34 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

I agree there might be a slim chance people take it wrong. Legally he did nothing wrong and not anything that would warrant an impeachment. It is typical dem crap 1+1=5000.

A slim chance, huh?  Does any part of him sitting there for 3 hours enjoying the riot before he finally called them off not resonate with you that he was responsible for what happened?  You do know that, right?  After they finally convinced him to put out a statement, the riot was over, they went home.  Why would they do that if they were not acting on what he wanted them to do.  He should have come out straight away and said "this is unamerican and not what you should be doing" or any number of things.  Instead, he puts out a tweet about Mike Pence.  Even members of his own party stated he was responsible, remember Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell's speeches?  

Slim chance is what they call it though, typical republican crap:  party of excuses  

[Tennesseer]

Jul 4, 2023 10:33:26 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Jul 3, 2023 10:09:34 GMT -5 scgal said:

I agree there might be a slim chance people take it wrong. Legally he did nothing wrong and not anything that would warrant an impeachment. It is typical dem crap 1+1=5000.

A slim chance, huh?  Does any part of him sitting there for 3 hours enjoying the riot before he finally called them off not resonate with you that he was responsible for what happened?  You do know that, right?  After they finally convinced him to put out a statement, the riot was over, they went home.  Why would they do that if they were not acting on what he wanted them to do.  He should have come out straight away and said "this is unamerican and not what you should be doing" or any number of things.  Instead, he puts out a tweet about Mike Pence.  Even members of his own party stated he was responsible, remember Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell's speeches?  

Slim chance is what they call it though, typical republican crap:  party of excuses  

I would have used the three monkeys for the expression but someone might think I am calling them a monkey.  So I used this:  

[happyhoix]

Jul 4, 2023 11:35:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 4, 2023 10:33:26 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

A slim chance, huh?  Does any part of him sitting there for 3 hours enjoying the riot before he finally called them off not resonate with you that he was responsible for what happened?  You do know that, right?  After they finally convinced him to put out a statement, the riot was over, they went home.  Why would they do that if they were not acting on what he wanted them to do.  He should have come out straight away and said "this is unamerican and not what you should be doing" or any number of things.  Instead, he puts out a tweet about Mike Pence.  Even members of his own party stated he was responsible, remember Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell's speeches?  

Slim chance is what they call it though, typical republican crap:  party of excuses  

I would have used the three monkeys for the expression but someone might think I am calling them a monkey.  So I used this:  

It’s a special talent they have.

It allows them to melt down over Hunter Hunter Hunter while glossing over Kushners 2 billion bucks from the Saudis, and Hilary Hilary Hilary while pretending Trump never had any important documents at MAL.

A special type of rose colored glasses.

[Opti]

Rose? Maybe just brown in one lens? The ability to believe and not question "your" side while believing the other side is always wrong.