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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 10, 2024 19:26:40 GMT -5
You've read 1 1st person article and believe there is serious enough abuse to regulate it so that no one can seek treatment? You believe there are doctors targeting kids and parents to sign off on double mastectomies to pay their mortgage? I won't say that bad things never happen, but everything I have seen, read and 2nd hand experienced is it is actually really complicated and time consuming to get hormone or surgical treatment - as an adult. As a kid.... hoops galore. Add in that it costs a lot of money so you're shelling out for it or adding in another layer of insurance approvals. This problem doesn't exist except to control people. Control gender queer and trans people. And control the masses with fear as if the lgbtq are comin' righ' for ya. Perfectly stated. People don’t look at all of these things. Simple ones, like who is paying for these surgeries. They aren’t free. Doctors and hospitals expect to be paid. And insurance companies approve them at the drop of a hat? Give me a break! They question my ordering a ct scan. They are going to say, go ahead and have a surgery that is 10s of thousands of dollars? Seriously! If anyone would bother to actually read their insurance manuals gender reassignment surgery usually isn't covered. It's hiding in there with plastic surgery. The only reason I noticed was because I attended a seminar lead by a transgender woman and she openly talked about the risk of surgery and the costs. She also talked openly about transitioning. Ain't nobody taking their male child to the doctor on Tuesday and coming home with a daughter on Wednesday. I believe I read that article before about the breast removal and my BS radar went off because it leaned REAL heavy into transphobia. It flew in the face of the statistics out there. I'm sure there are people who regret it. There are also people who regret plastic surgery and gastric bypass. That's why counseling/therapy are usually involved first and good ethical doctor is going to consult with you/your kid before agreeing to anything. This idea I am a 41 year old cis frmale decide to become a man tomorrow and sign the dotted line at the surgeon's a few hours later.is fear mongering. I forgot the name of it but there is an excellent Nat Geo special on the topic. Maybe watch that at least before forming an opinion? That and actually talking to transgender people opened my world view. I challenged myself rather than hide in a bubble. I've always been tolerant but I wanted the understanding so I could advocate too. They used to accuse homosexuality men of being pedophiles. Now we're saying transgender people are secret rapists and coming for your children's private parts. It blows my mind how we constantly go back to square one. |
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 10, 2024 20:16:43 GMT -5
You guys are melting down because your girl lost. Trump numbers were up with African Americans, Latinos, and a whole bunch didn't show up for the ol gal. So face it the America that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside. If we are lucky enough will get so annoyed they will leave buh bye. Given the amount of votes Trump received, I don't think his voters are all that unified on what they want and why they voted for him. I was hoping to be wrong, but it was a sign that America was not ready to vote for a biracial woman in as President. There are other issues, and I agree somewhat with Ryan on all the issues surrounding trans, sex, and identity. I am not sure how to resolve most of the issues. Bathroom access needs to be guaranteed and managed somehow. I really do not know how to address sports especially competitions but perhaps that needs to be analyzed and studied in a scientific way to get some clarity. Later that could lead to guidelines. Given the abuses of some doctors, I do believe sex change operations do need to be restricted for those not yet eighteen. If I’m not mistaken, sex change operations are already limited to adults. I believe you also have to have psychological evaluations to get approval to have one. Only thing you can get as a child are puberty blockers. If you stop taking them the effects are reversed. plus you have to have the money to pay for sex change operations. I wonder if any of that is covered by insurance. I don’t think we need to waste a lot of legislative time figuring how rules for transgender people. After all , they are about 1% of the population. Intersexed people have been around since caveman times, and make up 1.7 percent of the population. We haven’t had to make special laws for them. |
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Nov 10, 2024 20:20:58 GMT -5
Perfectly stated. People don’t look at all of these things. Simple ones, like who is paying for these surgeries. They aren’t free. Doctors and hospitals expect to be paid. And insurance companies approve them at the drop of a hat? Give me a break! They question my ordering a ct scan. They are going to say, go ahead and have a surgery that is 10s of thousands of dollars? Seriously! If anyone would bother to actually read their insurance manuals gender reassignment surgery usually isn't covered. It's hiding in there with plastic surgery. The only reason I noticed was because I attended a seminar lead by a transgender woman and she openly talked about the risk of surgery and the costs. She also talked openly about transitioning. Ain't nobody taking their male child to the doctor on Tuesday and coming home with a daughter on Wednesday. I believe I read that article before about the breast removal and my BS radar went off because it leaned REAL heavy into transphobia. It flew in the face of the statistics out there. I'm sure there are people who regret it. There are also people who regret plastic surgery and gastric bypass. That's why counseling/therapy are usually involved first and good ethical doctor is going to consult with you/your kid before agreeing to anything. This idea I am a 41 year old cis frmale decide to become a man tomorrow and sign the dotted line at the surgeon's a few hours later.is fear mongering. I forgot the name of it but there is an excellent Nat Geo special on the topic. Maybe watch that at least before forming an opinion? That and actually talking to transgender people opened my world view. I challenged myself rather than hide in a bubble. I've always been tolerant but I wanted the understanding so I could advocate too. They used to accuse homosexuality men of being pedophiles. Now we're saying transgender people are secret rapists and coming for your children's private parts. It blows my mind how we constantly go back to square one. Maybe 20 years ago, I watched something in the Discovery Channel that IIRC, was titled “Am I My Own Twin” and talked about chimeras and the science regarding them. It was an eye opener that I will never forget. They showed the story of a woman who was facing jail time because of welfare fraud, because (for whatever reason it was tested) her DNA did not match the DNA of her children that she was receiving welfare benefits for. She had a difficult time finding an attorney to represent her, because it looked like an open and shut case. She did finally find an attorney willing to represent her. She happened to be pregnant and near her due date when she went to court. So the court ordered that someone from the legal system be present when she delivered the baby she was pregnant with, and DNA samples be taken immediately after birth. Her DNA did not match that baby’s DNA either, and it was all documented by a court order. So the show explained the science and how within 3 days of conception, 2 fertillized eggs can fuse together and become one baby. They explained the science of why that is the reason hermaphrodites are born and how when the 2 embryos fuse and become one, if one was female and the other male, even if there are no visible clues Ike with hermaphrodites, the science shows that it is possible for everything to not work the way we think it should as far as gender. The problem with chimeras when it comes to DNA testing, is that they basically have 2 sets of DNA in their bodies. The “other” DNA might not be present in blood or saliva tests, but is there in other places like organs or whatever. It is unknown how many people like that exist, because most people don’t have DNA tests done unless there is a reason. But they showed other people whose DNA tests were odd. One woman, I think needed an organ donor, but her children’s’ DNA didn’t match hers, and further investigation showed that biologically her children were more likely to be her brother’s children than hers, or something weird like that. It’s been years since I watched the documentary and some of the details are fuzzy. But it was fascinating to me, and showed the science that made some things make sense to me. OAN, it also made me have some concerns about criminal cases where DNA is left on a crime scene and the testing results don’t match the suspect’s DNA. Because what if they are a chimera too? Anyway, idk what show you watched on Nat Geo, but “Am I My Own Twin” that I watched on the Discovery channel years ago, is very much worth watching if it can still be found. |
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 10, 2024 20:24:59 GMT -5
Perfectly stated. People don’t look at all of these things. Simple ones, like who is paying for these surgeries. They aren’t free. Doctors and hospitals expect to be paid. And insurance companies approve them at the drop of a hat? Give me a break! They question my ordering a ct scan. They are going to say, go ahead and have a surgery that is 10s of thousands of dollars? Seriously! If anyone would bother to actually read their insurance manuals gender reassignment surgery usually isn't covered. It's hiding in there with plastic surgery. The only reason I noticed was because I attended a seminar lead by a transgender woman and she openly talked about the risk of surgery and the costs. She also talked openly about transitioning. Ain't nobody taking their male child to the doctor on Tuesday and coming home with a daughter on Wednesday. I believe I read that article before about the breast removal and my BS radar went off because it leaned REAL heavy into transphobia. It flew in the face of the statistics out there. I'm sure there are people who regret it. There are also people who regret plastic surgery and gastric bypass. That's why counseling/therapy are usually involved first and good ethical doctor is going to consult with you/your kid before agreeing to anything. This idea I am a 41 year old cis frmale decide to become a man tomorrow and sign the dotted line at the surgeon's a few hours later.is fear mongering. I forgot the name of it but there is an excellent Nat Geo special on the topic. Maybe watch that at least before forming an opinion? That and actually talking to transgender people opened my world view. I challenged myself rather than hide in a bubble. I've always been tolerant but I wanted the understanding so I could advocate too. They used to accuse homosexuality men of being pedophiles. Now we're saying transgender people are secret rapists and coming for your children's private parts. It blows my mind how we constantly go back to square one. One of the lies Trump kept repeating during the election was that you could drop off your kid at school in the morning and when you pick up your kid in the afternoon he’ll be a girl. school nurses won’t even give your kid Tylenol without a note from a parent. And schools are chronically underfunded but they’ll pay for surgery? Fearmongering at its finest. |
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Post by tallguy on Nov 10, 2024 20:33:37 GMT -5
Perfectly stated. People don’t look at all of these things. Simple ones, like who is paying for these surgeries. They aren’t free. Doctors and hospitals expect to be paid. And insurance companies approve them at the drop of a hat? Give me a break! They question my ordering a ct scan. They are going to say, go ahead and have a surgery that is 10s of thousands of dollars? Seriously! If anyone would bother to actually read their insurance manuals gender reassignment surgery usually isn't covered. It's hiding in there with plastic surgery. The only reason I noticed was because I attended a seminar lead by a transgender woman and she openly talked about the risk of surgery and the costs. She also talked openly about transitioning. Ain't nobody taking their male child to the doctor on Tuesday and coming home with a daughter on Wednesday. I believe I read that article before about the breast removal and my BS radar went off because it leaned REAL heavy into transphobia. It flew in the face of the statistics out there. I'm sure there are people who regret it. There are also people who regret plastic surgery and gastric bypass. That's why counseling/therapy are usually involved first and good ethical doctor is going to consult with you/your kid before agreeing to anything. This idea I am a 41 year old cis frmale decide to become a man tomorrow and sign the dotted line at the surgeon's a few hours later.is fear mongering. I forgot the name of it but there is an excellent Nat Geo special on the topic. Maybe watch that at least before forming an opinion? That and actually talking to transgender people opened my world view. I challenged myself rather than hide in a bubble. I've always been tolerant but I wanted the understanding so I could advocate too. They used to accuse homosexuality men of being pedophiles. Now we're saying transgender people are secret rapists and coming for your children's private parts. It blows my mind how we constantly go back to square one. Don't know if this is the one you are talking about, but there was one with Katie Couric in 2017 called Gender Revolution: A Journey with Katie Couric. |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 10, 2024 20:37:10 GMT -5
If anyone would bother to actually read their insurance manuals gender reassignment surgery usually isn't covered. It's hiding in there with plastic surgery. The only reason I noticed was because I attended a seminar lead by a transgender woman and she openly talked about the risk of surgery and the costs. She also talked openly about transitioning. Ain't nobody taking their male child to the doctor on Tuesday and coming home with a daughter on Wednesday. I believe I read that article before about the breast removal and my BS radar went off because it leaned REAL heavy into transphobia. It flew in the face of the statistics out there. I'm sure there are people who regret it. There are also people who regret plastic surgery and gastric bypass. That's why counseling/therapy are usually involved first and good ethical doctor is going to consult with you/your kid before agreeing to anything. This idea I am a 41 year old cis frmale decide to become a man tomorrow and sign the dotted line at the surgeon's a few hours later.is fear mongering. I forgot the name of it but there is an excellent Nat Geo special on the topic. Maybe watch that at least before forming an opinion? That and actually talking to transgender people opened my world view. I challenged myself rather than hide in a bubble. I've always been tolerant but I wanted the understanding so I could advocate too. They used to accuse homosexuality men of being pedophiles. Now we're saying transgender people are secret rapists and coming for your children's private parts. It blows my mind how we constantly go back to square one. Don't know if this is the one you are talking about, but there was one with Katie Couric in 2017 called Gender Revolution: A Journey with Katie Couric.That's the one. |
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 10, 2024 21:52:56 GMT -5
If anyone would bother to actually read their insurance manuals gender reassignment surgery usually isn't covered. It's hiding in there with plastic surgery. The only reason I noticed was because I attended a seminar lead by a transgender woman and she openly talked about the risk of surgery and the costs. She also talked openly about transitioning. Ain't nobody taking their male child to the doctor on Tuesday and coming home with a daughter on Wednesday. I believe I read that article before about the breast removal and my BS radar went off because it leaned REAL heavy into transphobia. It flew in the face of the statistics out there. I'm sure there are people who regret it. There are also people who regret plastic surgery and gastric bypass. That's why counseling/therapy are usually involved first and good ethical doctor is going to consult with you/your kid before agreeing to anything. This idea I am a 41 year old cis frmale decide to become a man tomorrow and sign the dotted line at the surgeon's a few hours later.is fear mongering. I forgot the name of it but there is an excellent Nat Geo special on the topic. Maybe watch that at least before forming an opinion? That and actually talking to transgender people opened my world view. I challenged myself rather than hide in a bubble. I've always been tolerant but I wanted the understanding so I could advocate too. They used to accuse homosexuality men of being pedophiles. Now we're saying transgender people are secret rapists and coming for your children's private parts. It blows my mind how we constantly go back to square one. One of the lies Trump kept repeating during the election was that you could drop off your kid at school in the morning and when you pick up your kid in the afternoon he’ll be a girl. school nurses won’t even give your kid Tylenol without a note from a parent. And schools are chronically underfunded but they’ll pay for surgery? Fearmongering at its finest. This is why I hate everyone right now. And I'm way to insulated. I don't know to fix that without losing my sanity. |
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Nov 10, 2024 22:20:15 GMT -5
One of the lies Trump kept repeating during the election was that you could drop off your kid at school in the morning and when you pick up your kid in the afternoon he’ll be a girl. school nurses won’t even give your kid Tylenol without a note from a parent. And schools are chronically underfunded but they’ll pay for surgery? Fearmongering at its finest. This is why I hate everyone right now. And I'm way too insulated. I don't know to fix that without losing my sanity. I know and understand why you are so upset and feel like you hate everyone right now. I’ve had the same feeling sometimes during the last several years. But I still want to encourage you to try to remind yourself when you can, that everybody is not your enemy, even though I understand why you feel that way. I’m not your enemy, I believe that there are many posters on this board aren’t your enemy, and I will go out on a limb and say that there are probably people in your real life that aren’t your enemy. Even though it may not feel like it to you right now, there are millions of people in this country that believe in doing what’s right and care about other people and their rights as human beings, that are also not your enemy. We got outnumbered in this election, but that doesn’t mean we don’t exist. I truly get it, but my best self that I try to be, says that I don’t think hatred is the answer….. for you or for me. Even though I do understand the struggle to not be that person. I am struggling too. I feel like I have been bamboozled my whole life, trying to believe some things that weren’t true. I started feeling betrayed by my fellow Americans that I considered my brothers and sisters as American citizens, several years ago. I am just a random person on the Internet, but I do care about the same things you are struggling with. I honestly do not believe that responding with hatred will make anything better and more importantly, that it actually harms the person that lets that seep into their soul. I am speaking to myself as much as I am to you when I say that. |
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Post by dondubble on Nov 10, 2024 23:28:59 GMT -5
This is why I hate everyone right now. And I'm way too insulated. I don't know to fix that without losing my sanity. I know and understand why you are so upset and feel like you hate everyone right now. I’ve had the same feeling sometimes during the last several years. But I still want to encourage you to try to remind yourself when you can, that everybody is not your enemy, even though I understand why you feel that way. I’m not your enemy, I believe that there are many posters on this board aren’t your enemy, and I will go out on a limb and say that there are probably people in your real life that aren’t your enemy. Even though it may not feel like it to you right now, there are millions of people in this country that believe in doing what’s right and care about other people and their rights as human beings, that are also not your enemy. We got outnumbered in this election, but that doesn’t mean we don’t exist. I truly get it, but my best self that I try to be, says that I don’t think hatred is the answer….. for you or for me. Even though I do understand the struggle to not be that person. I am struggling too. I feel like I have been bamboozled my whole life, trying to believe some things that weren’t true. I started feeling betrayed by my fellow Americans that I considered my brothers and sisters as American citizens, several years ago. I am just a random person on the Internet, but I do care about the same things you are struggling with. I honestly do not believe that responding with hatred will make anything better and more importantly, that it actually harms the person that lets that seep into their soul. I am speaking to myself as much as I am to you when I say that. You are such a wise and thoughtful person. Thank you for all of your postings. |
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Post by Spellbound454 on Nov 11, 2024 3:34:01 GMT -5
Got to wonder why an issue for a small minority became an election issue at all when a huge chunk of US society were unhappy with the offering because they felt disconnected and poorer. Where was the "bringing everybody together" that Biden talked about at the beginning? because great swathes of rural towns thought the Dems (which should naturally be a political ally) did not represent them. and the attitude..... "those people are just stupid" ... is not helpful |
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 11, 2024 8:08:03 GMT -5
Got to wonder why an issue for a small minority became an election issue at all when a huge chunk of US society were unhappy with the offering because they felt disconnected and poorer. Where was the "bringing everybody together" that Biden talked about at the beginning? because great swathes of rural towns thought the Dems (which should naturally be a political ally) did not represent them. and the attitude..... "those people are just stupid" ... is not helpful I don't have to wonder why it became an issue. It's an easy way to stir up fear. Trump isn't trying to speak truth or bring up actual issues. It was easy othering that he could say outright. Most of his racist, sexist rhetoric he has to cover up in word salad and innuendo. Not that he does that consistently either. |
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 11, 2024 8:10:19 GMT -5
This is why I hate everyone right now. And I'm way too insulated. I don't know to fix that without losing my sanity. I know and understand why you are so upset and feel like you hate everyone right now. I’ve had the same feeling sometimes during the last several years. But I still want to encourage you to try to remind yourself when you can, that everybody is not your enemy, even though I understand why you feel that way. I’m not your enemy, I believe that there are many posters on this board aren’t your enemy, and I will go out on a limb and say that there are probably people in your real life that aren’t your enemy. Even though it may not feel like it to you right now, there are millions of people in this country that believe in doing what’s right and care about other people and their rights as human beings, that are also not your enemy. We got outnumbered in this election, but that doesn’t mean we don’t exist. I truly get it, but my best self that I try to be, says that I don’t think hatred is the answer….. for you or for me. Even though I do understand the struggle to not be that person. I am struggling too. I feel like I have been bamboozled my whole life, trying to believe some things that weren’t true. I started feeling betrayed by my fellow Americans that I considered my brothers and sisters as American citizens, several years ago. I am just a random person on the Internet, but I do care about the same things you are struggling with. I honestly do not believe that responding with hatred will make anything better and more importantly, that it actually harms the person that lets that seep into their soul. I am speaking to myself as much as I am to you when I say that. I know. I really do. But I've been way too trusting my entire life and need to dial that back too. |
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Post by busymom on Nov 11, 2024 8:30:08 GMT -5
Got to wonder why an issue for a small minority became an election issue at all when a huge chunk of US society were unhappy with the offering because they felt disconnected and poorer. Where was the "bringing everybody together" that Biden talked about at the beginning? because great swathes of rural towns thought the Dems (which should naturally be a political ally) did not represent them. and the attitude..... "those people are just stupid" ... is not helpful The GOP frequently uses fear as a campaign tool. The earliest I remember is Bush using the Willie Horton case back in 1988, a man who raped a white woman & stabbed her boyfriend while on a prison furlough. The GOP taps into fear, for example, of the false belief that a child could get a sex change while at school. I believe Biden was trying to bring America together, but the MAGA's aren't having it. They only want a version of America that is white and male-dominated. Grocery prices have gone up a lot here, and the GOP has been blaming the Democratic Party, and claiming only the GOP can "fix it". (Not likely.) Trump has been a conman his entire career. Bankrupting companies, cheating contractors, etc. But, because he brags about what a "great" businessman he is, people buy into the idea that a businessman can improve our country. His last administration was exhausting for the average American. I am NOT looking forward to his next administration. He's been threatening his rivals, and I'm betting he's going to spend a lot of time "getting even" with people he doesn't like. If you don't kiss the hand, he doesn't like you. |
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Post by moon/Laura on Nov 11, 2024 9:31:36 GMT -5
Got to wonder why an issue for a small minority became an election issue at all when a huge chunk of US society were unhappy with the offering because they felt disconnected and poorer. Where was the "bringing everybody together" that Biden talked about at the beginning? because great swathes of rural towns thought the Dems (which should naturally be a political ally) did not represent them. and the attitude..... " those people are just stupid" ... is not helpful
To be honest, it seems like if you were an American, you'd be a trumper, too. |
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Post by Spellbound454 on Nov 11, 2024 13:05:23 GMT -5
I don't mind who you vote for..... don't have a dog in the race.
What I am, is other
Its not correct to say if someone is different to me ........ they must be a trumper.
We have all been watching the US election and the predictions that we saw, turned out to be true.
However I have no interest in being your whipping post.
Be as angry as you like ...... but don't take it out on me because Its not going to be my fault.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 11, 2024 13:24:12 GMT -5
I don't mind who you vote for..... don't have a dog in the race. What I am, is other Its not correct to say if someone is different to me ........ they must be a trumper. We have all been watching the US election and the predictions that we saw, turned out to be true. However I have no interest in being your whipping post. Be as angry as you like ...... but don't take it out on me because Its not going to be my fault. She didn't say that because you had a different opinion you would likely be a Trumper. You have shown on a number of threads your inability to spot right wing propaganda talking points. You did it in the post she quoted. Buying into right wing conspiracy theories is a pretty good indicator, at least in the US, you know the country whose election you have decided to comment on, that you may have voted for Trump. |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 11, 2024 14:20:28 GMT -5
Got to wonder why an issue for a small minority became an election issue at all when a huge chunk of US society were unhappy with the offering because they felt disconnected and poorer. Where was the "bringing everybody together" that Biden talked about at the beginning? because great swathes of rural towns thought the Dems (which should naturally be a political ally) did not represent them. and the attitude..... "those people are just stupid" ... is not helpful
On a personal level yeah I think it is incredibly fucking stupid to vote for short term goals in exchange for your rights. I say this as a woman and I also think African American Men and Latin men were incredibly short sighted. The economy comes and goes like the wind. Once you've given up rights good fucking luck getting them back. And you've let the powers that be, whoever they are, know they can take them away from you so long as they dangle a shiny in your face. Women have already been set back decades by the pandemic. Now women are voting in droves to push themselves back even further because they want cheaper groceries. We as human beings have the attention span of a gnat anymore and it is costing us dearly. I get it people want someone to blame, people want a hero who will come in with an easy fix. Trump rode that horse to death and won. I understand it. If he is anything at all he is a master carpetbagger. But it's still stupid if you traded your body autonomy in exchange for cheaper eggs. Egg prices will go up again eventually. And they will go down again eventually. Your rights will likely never come back. |
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Post by moon/Laura on Nov 11, 2024 14:37:47 GMT -5
Spellbound454, I also said it 'seems like', because given posts you have made, you do come off like a righty. You may not be, but that's the impression you give.
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 11, 2024 15:04:19 GMT -5
Got to wonder why an issue for a small minority became an election issue at all when a huge chunk of US society were unhappy with the offering because they felt disconnected and poorer. Where was the "bringing everybody together" that Biden talked about at the beginning? because great swathes of rural towns thought the Dems (which should naturally be a political ally) did not represent them. and the attitude..... "those people are just stupid" ... is not helpful
On a personal level yeah I think it is incredibly fucking stupid to vote for short term goals in exchange for your rights. I say this as a woman and I also think African American Men and Latin men were incredibly short sighted. The economy comes and goes like the wind. Once you've given up rights good fucking luck getting them back. And you've let the powers that be, whoever they are, know they can take them away from you so long as they dangle a shiny in your face. Women have already been set back decades by the pandemic. Now women are voting in droves to push themselves back even further because they want cheaper groceries. We as human beings have the attention span of a gnat anymore and it is costing us dearly. I get it people want someone to blame, people want a hero who will come in with an easy fix. Trump rode that horse to death and won. I understand it. If he is anything at all he is a master carpetbagger. But it's still stupid if you traded your body autonomy in exchange for cheaper eggs. Egg prices will go up again eventually. And they will go down again eventually. Your rights will likely never come back. 79% of black men voted for Harris from the #'s I've seen. |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 11, 2024 15:14:39 GMT -5
On a personal level yeah I think it is incredibly fucking stupid to vote for short term goals in exchange for your rights. I say this as a woman and I also think African American Men and Latin men were incredibly short sighted. The economy comes and goes like the wind. Once you've given up rights good fucking luck getting them back. And you've let the powers that be, whoever they are, know they can take them away from you so long as they dangle a shiny in your face. Women have already been set back decades by the pandemic. Now women are voting in droves to push themselves back even further because they want cheaper groceries. We as human beings have the attention span of a gnat anymore and it is costing us dearly. I get it people want someone to blame, people want a hero who will come in with an easy fix. Trump rode that horse to death and won. I understand it. If he is anything at all he is a master carpetbagger. But it's still stupid if you traded your body autonomy in exchange for cheaper eggs. Egg prices will go up again eventually. And they will go down again eventually. Your rights will likely never come back. 79% of black men voted for Harris from the #'s I've seen. My mistake then. I swear I heard AA men turned out for Trump this round too. Or was it 2016? I know Latin men did which REALLY surprised me. I know talking to some people they are also concerned about the border but I feel like on some level you HAVE to know that eventually you're going to get caught up in Trump's racist tirades. People aren't going to care you are a legal brown person they aren't going to think that far ahead. |
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 11, 2024 15:51:36 GMT -5
79% of black men voted for Harris from the #'s I've seen. My mistake then. I swear I heard AA men turned out for Trump this round too. Or was it 2016? I know Latin men did which REALLY surprised me. I know talking to some people they are also concerned about the border but I feel like on some level you HAVE to know that eventually you're going to get caught up in Trump's racist tirades. People aren't going to care you are a legal brown person they aren't going to think that far ahead. 54% of Latino men compared to 59% of white men and 52% of white women voted for Trump. I am most angry at white women. We showed up the least and have the most to lose. |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 11, 2024 15:54:24 GMT -5
Unfortunately white women did not surprise me. Too many believe in the hordes of brown people and transgender men coming to rape them and that Trump is the only one who can save them.  Or they really think bad things won't happen to them if they vote away their rights. While I am done having kids and have the luxury of being able to get an IUD I recognize that not having body autonomy is going to extend beyond pregnancy. Women already struggle with getting taken seriously and we tend to have higher rates of death from things that are otherwise treated in men. Yeah . . .I better not eat too many of those amazingly cheap eggs Trump is going to get me. Don't want to have a heart attack from the cholesterol only to have the doctor send me home saying it's anxiety. |
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 11, 2024 16:10:41 GMT -5
Unfortunately white women did not surprise me. Too many believe in the hordes of brown people and transgender men coming to rape them and that Trump is the only one who can save them. Or they really think bad things won't happen to them if they vote away their rights. While I am done having kids and have the luxury of being able to get an IUD I recognize that not having body autonomy is going to extend beyond pregnancy. Women already struggle with getting taken seriously and we tend to have higher rates of death from things that are otherwise treated in men. Yeah . . . I better not eat too many of those amazingly cheap eggs Trump is going to get me. Don't want to have a heart attack from the cholesterol only to have the doctor send me home saying it's anxiety. Don't worry, I doubt egg prices are actually going to fall. They sold out bodily autonomy and civil rights for a lie. Much like Trump getting a pass from his base because everyone knows he's batshit, white people need to bear the brunt of responsibility for these election outcomes. While there may have been an uptick in minority votes for Trump, he doesn't get elected without a majority of the white vote. |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 11, 2024 16:18:26 GMT -5
Unfortunately white women did not surprise me. Too many believe in the hordes of brown people and transgender men coming to rape them and that Trump is the only one who can save them. Or they really think bad things won't happen to them if they vote away their rights. While I am done having kids and have the luxury of being able to get an IUD I recognize that not having body autonomy is going to extend beyond pregnancy. Women already struggle with getting taken seriously and we tend to have higher rates of death from things that are otherwise treated in men. Yeah . . . I better not eat too many of those amazingly cheap eggs Trump is going to get me. Don't want to have a heart attack from the cholesterol only to have the doctor send me home saying it's anxiety. Don't worry, I doubt egg prices are actually going to fall. They sold out bodily autonomy and civil rights for a lie. Much like Trump getting a pass from his base because everyone knows he's batshit, white people need to bear the brunt of responsibility for these election outcomes. While there may have been an uptick in minority votes for Trump, he doesn't get elected without a majority of the white vote. I actually loathe eggs so I am safe regardless.  To add onto my rant about women's health I can't believe that women of voting age can look their daughters and granddaughters in the face. What kind of world are you leaving for them all so you can have cheap fucking groceries and gas? Gwen went off on me before the election about it all and I kept trying to explain I AGREE with her when I could get a word in edgewise. She told me she's ashamed of millennials, Gen X and Boomers because they are leaving a mess for her when she is an adult because we keep voting for selfish reasons. After all it won't be our problem we'll be dead by then. She ain't wrong.  |
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Nov 11, 2024 17:56:49 GMT -5
I figure I pay about $20/dozen for eggs having my own chickens so all those complaining about $3 can suck it. |
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Nov 11, 2024 17:57:52 GMT -5
I don't mind who you vote for..... don't have a dog in the race.Is that true though? I almost think the European countries have more to lose with an unhinged lunatic at the helm in the US than the US citizens do. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 11, 2024 18:12:00 GMT -5
Unfortunately white women did not surprise me. Too many believe in the hordes of brown people and transgender men coming to rape them and that Trump is the only one who can save them. Or they really think bad things won't happen to them if they vote away their rights. While I am done having kids and have the luxury of being able to get an IUD I recognize that not having body autonomy is going to extend beyond pregnancy. Women already struggle with getting taken seriously and we tend to have higher rates of death from things that are otherwise treated in men. Yeah . . . I better not eat too many of those amazingly cheap eggs Trump is going to get me. Don't want to have a heart attack from the cholesterol only to have the doctor send me home saying it's anxiety. Fear not. Just travel to Springfield, Ohio where trump said brown people were eating the citizens' dogs, cats and other pets. There is always room for one more at the dinner table. |
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Post by busymom on Nov 11, 2024 18:49:42 GMT -5
Oh Lord! Trump is bringing back Stephen Miller into his next "team". I can't even...  The man appears to have no soul, so I expect he'll actually enjoy kicking people out of our country. |
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Post by Opti on Nov 11, 2024 20:25:56 GMT -5
My mistake then. I swear I heard AA men turned out for Trump this round too. Or was it 2016? I know Latin men did which REALLY surprised me. I know talking to some people they are also concerned about the border but I feel like on some level you HAVE to know that eventually you're going to get caught up in Trump's racist tirades. People aren't going to care you are a legal brown person they aren't going to think that far ahead. 54% of Latino men compared to 59% of white men and 52% of white women voted for Trump. I am most angry at white women. We showed up the least and have the most to lose. I choose not to blame white women over everyone else because expecting more of a swing is to be in denial of the long history of conservative women voting for these guys. And why just white women? Aren't all women affected by Trump's policies and views? Here's some stats- Women supported Clinton over Trump by 54% to 42%. This is about the same as the Democratic advantage among women in 2012 (55% Obama vs. 44% Romney) and 2008 (56% Obama vs. 43% McCain).
www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
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Post by seriousthistime on Nov 11, 2024 20:28:09 GMT -5
I read a meme the other day that 54% of American adults read below a 6th grade level. I checked it out and it seems to be true.
Reading skill affects many things, including critical thinking skills.
I am beginning to see why so many people voted against their self-interest this time around. If someone is telling you the big issue is how much you pay for groceries and rent, and brown people are stealing your jobs, and you lack the capacity for much critical thought, you might just believe those lies.
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