The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[scgal]

Nov 10, 2024 13:22:04 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 10, 2024 8:37:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

You guys are melting down because your girl lost. Trump numbers were up with African Americans, Latinos, and a whole bunch didn't show up for the ol gal. So face it the America  that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside. 

If we are lucky enough will get so annoyed they will leave buh bye.

Given the amount of votes Trump received, I don't think his voters are all that unified on what they want and why they voted for him. I was hoping to be wrong, but it was a sign that America was not ready to vote for a biracial woman in as President. There are other issues, and I agree somewhat with Ryan on all the issues surrounding trans, sex, and identity. I am not sure how to resolve most of the issues. Bathroom access needs to be guaranteed and managed somehow. I really do not know how to address sports especially competitions but perhaps that needs to be analyzed and studied in a scientific way to get some clarity. Later that could lead to guidelines. Given the abuses of some doctors, I do believe sex change operations do need to be restricted for those not yet eighteen. 

I think it is mostly unified. Different reasons for different folks. Majorly disagree with bathroom access you use the bathroom for your born genitalia. Same for sports. No trans rights. You may be right about a woman president I don't know there was still alot of women who voted for Trump you would think they would have voted for Harris but a lot of women don't agree with all the trans shit either. 

[Opti]

I read this article and I am quoting a small part to discuss this author's opinions versus mine.

Over the past four years, the Democrats censored people who dissented against Covid-19 mandates, who insisted that men could not change sex and that women deserved protection for their sex-segregated spaces, and who argued against the transitioning of children.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/i-cried-when-hillary-clinton-lost-in-2016-but-here-s-why-i-m-now-voting-for-trump/ar-AA1thtwm?ocid=BingNewsSerp

During any pandemic the government does need to quiet voices advocating medically questionable things. I disagree with the author that all these people were censored as it felt like I heard more about their POVs than I did about the official science based path the US was taking. For the safety of people in medical settings certain vaccine mandates made sense.

The rest of it is more challenging in that I think part of it might be coming up with new terms instead of trying to shoehorn reality into the M/F boxes. The author seems to be more concerned about bathrooms and sports teams than being considered less important than a fetus. I do not believe those who want to base everything on biological sex really would be all that comfortable with someone who looks very biologically male, but still has female plumbing, graciously into a women's restroom.

[raeoflyte]

Don't play into bs talking points.

www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/gender-affirming-surgeries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/

[scgal]

Nov 10, 2024 13:47:04 GMT -5 Opti said:

I read this article and I am quoting a small part to discuss this author's opinions versus mine.

Over the past four years, the Democrats censored people who dissented against Covid-19 mandates, who insisted that men could not change sex and that women deserved protection for their sex-segregated spaces, and who argued against the transitioning of children.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/i-cried-when-hillary-clinton-lost-in-2016-but-here-s-why-i-m-now-voting-for-trump/ar-AA1thtwm?ocid=BingNewsSerp

During any pandemic the government does need to quiet voices advocating medically questionable things. I disagree with the author that all these people were censored as it felt like I heard more about their POVs than I did about the official science based path the US was taking. For the safety of people in medical settings certain vaccine mandates made sense.

The rest of it is more challenging in that I think part of it might be coming up with new terms instead of trying to shoehorn reality into the M/F boxes. The author seems to be more concerned about bathrooms and sports teams than being considered less important than a fetus. I do not believe those who want to base everything on biological sex really would be all that comfortable with someone who looks very biologically male, but still has female plumbing, graciously into a women's restroom.

Pandemic or not the government should never quiet voices questionable or not. 

[pulmonarymd]

Funny how Trump doesn't believe that. He has threatened to take the broadcast licenses away from his critics.

[Opti]

Nov 10, 2024 13:45:46 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 10, 2024 13:22:04 GMT -5 Opti said:

Given the amount of votes Trump received, I don't think his voters are all that unified on what they want and why they voted for him. I was hoping to be wrong, but it was a sign that America was not ready to vote for a biracial woman in as President. There are other issues, and I agree somewhat with Ryan on all the issues surrounding trans, sex, and identity. I am not sure how to resolve most of the issues. Bathroom access needs to be guaranteed and managed somehow. I really do not know how to address sports especially competitions but perhaps that needs to be analyzed and studied in a scientific way to get some clarity. Later that could lead to guidelines. Given the abuses of some doctors, I do believe sex change operations do need to be restricted for those not yet eighteen. 

I think it is mostly unified. Different reasons for different folks. Majorly disagree with bathroom access you use the bathroom for your born genitalia. Same for sports. No trans rights. You may be right about a woman president I don't know there was still alot of women who voted for Trump you would think they would have voted for Harris but a lot of women don't agree with all the trans shit either. 

I disagree with the bolded. There is going to be an increase in those you believe are male in women's bathrooms if you enforce the genitalia rule. And how does that work with those who have already been surgically altered? At the end of many of these transitions many trans people look like the sex they want to be. They are not going to be obvious like Caitlyn Jenner. Right now, there are two born female people within long-term transitions to male playing on a women's soccer team. They have beards and facial hair. The hormone treatments were in the 5 to 7 year range. I don't think they should be on a women's soccer team. Men's perhaps, but not a women's team.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Nov 10, 2024 14:05:56 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Funny how Trump doesn't believe that. He has threatened to take the broadcast licenses away from his critics.

Which shows how little he knows about how things work. Networks don't have licenses. The actual stations have the licenses.

[raeoflyte]

She doesn't want my husband in the women's bathroom. She thinks he should be punished for existing.

Doesn't matter that he was being confronted in the women's room years before he even knew transitioning was an option. He appeared male, not like a woman with short hair even then.

[pulmonarymd]

They want to wish away the existence of these individuals. They disgust them. They shouldn't have to be exposed to them. It is like we are back in the 1980's during the AIDS epidemic. These people are an inconvenience.

[dondubble]

Nov 10, 2024 8:22:09 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 18:35:48 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Face what truth? I just debunked your claim and no way YOU can show how Mexicans are getting to Canada. That post of yours was bullshit, so no truth TO face.

The information is there you don't want to see it. I don't care you can't hide the truth there are more people trying to get in from the southern border than the northern so that is where you focus on first. 

Who doesn’t know more come in from the south. Who also doesn’t know you are completely dodging your ‘truth’ about Mexicans and the northern border. You can’t seem to post a link.

[pulmonarymd]

Facts are for Democrats. All that matters is the poor, put upon Conservatives feelings. 

[Opti]

Nov 10, 2024 13:53:48 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Don't play into bs talking points.

www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/gender-affirming-surgeries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/

I don't know if this is directed at me or not, but one of the first-person articles I read was a person who was very bitter about her chest reduction surgery before she was an adult. I think gender roles are too narrow, and it causes some to do stupid things. Not binary and gender fluid to me mean basically someone doesn't feel they fit into the narrow gender roles society has. True trans seems to be different in that they really feel they have the wrong body sex. 

From the article -

For teens ages 15 to 17 and adults ages 18 and older, the rate of undergoing gender-affirming surgery with a TGD-related diagnosis was 2.1 per 100,000 and 5.3 per 100,000, respectively.

Perhaps you find 2.1much smaller than 5.3, but I do not. 

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 10, 2024 14:36:53 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 10, 2024 13:53:48 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Don't play into bs talking points.

www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/gender-affirming-surgeries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/

I don't know if this is directed at me or not, but one of the first-person articles I read was a person who was very bitter about her chest reduction surgery before she was an adult. I think gender roles are too narrow, and it causes some to do stupid things. Not binary and gender fluid to me mean basically someone doesn't feel they fit into the narrow gender roles society has. True trans seems to be different in that they really feel they have the wrong body sex. 

From the article -

For teens ages 15 to 17 and adults ages 18 and older, the rate of undergoing gender-affirming surgery with a TGD-related diagnosis was 2.1 per 100,000 and 5.3 per 100,000, respectively.

Perhaps you find 2.1much smaller than 5.3, but I do not. 

In medicine it is. If your chance of dying from a disease went down by a significant amount you would care. Now, on a population basis it is not that great, but it is rare to begin with. Which is why all the wailing from conservatives about is is ridiculous.

As to numbers in medicine, a 1 in 100 chance of something is not great, except if you happen to be that 1. Then it is 100% to you.

[Opti]

Nov 10, 2024 14:12:33 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Nov 10, 2024 14:05:56 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Funny how Trump doesn't believe that. He has threatened to take the broadcast licenses away from his critics.

Which shows how little he knows about how things work. Networks don't have licenses. The actual stations have the licenses.

I had a hard time with the article I posted as the author seemed to think free speech was all about complaining about vaccines and trans folk. I wondered how she could ignore that Trump wanted to close down news outlets he doesn't agree with. It's not free speech if only your viewpoint is represented. 

Trump basically already has state TV like Putin. Its just called Fox news and all the related media. 

[Opti]

Nov 10, 2024 14:51:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 10, 2024 14:36:53 GMT -5 Opti said:

I don't know if this is directed at me or not, but one of the first-person articles I read was a person who was very bitter about her chest reduction surgery before she was an adult. I think gender roles are too narrow, and it causes some to do stupid things. Not binary and gender fluid to me mean basically someone doesn't feel they fit into the narrow gender roles society has. True trans seems to be different in that they really feel they have the wrong body sex. 

From the article -

For teens ages 15 to 17 and adults ages 18 and older, the rate of undergoing gender-affirming surgery with a TGD-related diagnosis was 2.1 per 100,000 and 5.3 per 100,000, respectively.

Perhaps you find 2.1much smaller than 5.3, but I do not. 

In medicine it is. If your chance of dying from a disease went down by a significant amount you would care. Now, on a population basis it is not that great, but it is rare to begin with. Which is why all the wailing from conservatives about is is ridiculous.

As to numbers in medicine, a 1 in 100 chance of something is not great, except if you happen to be that 1. Then it is 100% to you.

Trans is rare and I think its still uncommon to go the surgical option even if you are secure in your identity. Its a lower rate, but how normalized is it? Fifteen to seventeen is only a three-year stretch. If eighteen and older effectively means 18 to 25 I suppose they are very comparable. Prior to reading that article I had hoped all of these choices and surgeries were well vetted, but that article brought home the reality that some folks are preying on the young and confused for mortgage payments and what not. That perhaps kicking up the age for such surgeries might be a plus overall.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 10, 2024 15:21:24 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 10, 2024 14:51:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

In medicine it is. If your chance of dying from a disease went down by a significant amount you would care. Now, on a population basis it is not that great, but it is rare to begin with. Which is why all the wailing from conservatives about is is ridiculous.

As to numbers in medicine, a 1 in 100 chance of something is not great, except if you happen to be that 1. Then it is 100% to you.

Trans is rare and I think its still uncommon to go the surgical option even if you are secure in your identity. Its a lower rate, but how normalized is it? Fifteen to seventeen is only a three-year stretch. If eighteen and older effectively means 18 to 25 I suppose they are very comparable. Prior to reading that article I had hoped all of these choices and surgeries were well vetted, but that article brought home the reality that some folks are preying on the young and confused for mortgage payments and what not. That perhaps kicking up the age for such surgeries might be a plus overall.

The more important number is what percentage of people who are “eligible” for the surgery receive it. 5%,20%,50%. That is the number that is important. It “should” be substantially lower in minors. But an 19 yo is an “adult” legally, but is not really all theat different than a 17 yo.

You do realize that pediatricians take the opinion of 17 yo with cancer into account when deciding treatment. Even to the point of deciding to stop treatment and start hospice. How is that life and death decision less important than the decision regarding gender surgery?

[raeoflyte]

Nov 10, 2024 15:21:24 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 10, 2024 14:51:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

In medicine it is. If your chance of dying from a disease went down by a significant amount you would care. Now, on a population basis it is not that great, but it is rare to begin with. Which is why all the wailing from conservatives about is is ridiculous.

As to numbers in medicine, a 1 in 100 chance of something is not great, except if you happen to be that 1. Then it is 100% to you.

Trans is rare and I think its still uncommon to go the surgical option even if you are secure in your identity. Its a lower rate, but how normalized is it? Fifteen to seventeen is only a three-year stretch. If eighteen and older effectively means 18 to 25 I suppose they are very comparable. Prior to reading that article I had hoped all of these choices and surgeries were well vetted, but that article brought home the reality that some folks are preying on the young and confused for mortgage payments and what not. That perhaps kicking up the age for such surgeries might be a plus overall.

You've read 1 1st person article and believe there is serious enough abuse to regulate it so that no one can seek treatment? You believe there are doctors targeting kids and parents to sign off on double mastectomies to pay their mortgage?

I won't say that bad things never happen, but everything I have seen, read and 2nd hand experienced is it is actually really complicated and time consuming to get hormone or surgical treatment - as an adult. As a kid.... hoops galore. Add in that it costs a lot of money so you're shelling out for it or adding in another layer of insurance approvals.

This problem doesn't exist except to control people. Control gender queer and trans people. And control the masses with fear as if the lgbtq are comin' righ' for ya.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 10, 2024 15:52:13 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Nov 10, 2024 15:21:24 GMT -5 Opti said:

Trans is rare and I think its still uncommon to go the surgical option even if you are secure in your identity. It’s a lower rate, but how normalized is it? Fifteen to seventeen is only a three-year stretch. If eighteen and older effectively means 18 to 25 I suppose they are very comparable. Prior to reading that article I had hoped all of these choices and surgeries were well vetted, but that article brought home the reality that some folks are preying on the young and confused for mortgage payments and what not. That perhaps kicking up the age for such surgeries might be a plus overall.

You've read 1 1st person article and believe there is serious enough abuse to regulate it so that no one can seek treatment? You believe there are doctors targeting kids and parents to sign off on double mastectomies to pay their mortgage?

I won't say that bad things never happen, but everything I have seen, read and 2nd hand experienced is it is actually really complicated and time consuming to get hormone or surgical treatment - as an adult. As a kid.... hoops galore. Add in that it costs a lot of money so you're shelling out for it or adding in another layer of insurance approvals.

This problem doesn't exist except to control people. Control gender queer and trans people. And control the masses with fear as if the lgbtq are comin' righ' for ya.

Perfectly stated. People don’t look at all of these things. Simple ones, like who is paying for these surgeries. They aren’t free. Doctors and hospitals expect to be paid. And insurance companies approve them at the drop of a hat? Give me a break! They question my ordering a ct scan. They are going to say, go ahead and have a surgery that is 10s of thousands of dollars? Seriously!

[Opti]

Nov 10, 2024 15:28:25 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 10, 2024 15:21:24 GMT -5 Opti said:

Trans is rare and I think its still uncommon to go the surgical option even if you are secure in your identity. Its a lower rate, but how normalized is it? Fifteen to seventeen is only a three-year stretch. If eighteen and older effectively means 18 to 25 I suppose they are very comparable. Prior to reading that article I had hoped all of these choices and surgeries were well vetted, but that article brought home the reality that some folks are preying on the young and confused for mortgage payments and what not. That perhaps kicking up the age for such surgeries might be a plus overall.

The more important number is what percentage of people who are “eligible” for the surgery receive it. 5%,20%,50%. That is the number that is important. It “should” be substantially lower in minors. But an 19 yo is an “adult” legally, but is not really all theat different than a 17 yo.

You do realize that pediatricians take the opinion of 17 yo with cancer into account when deciding treatment. Even to the point of deciding to stop treatment and start hospice. How is that life and death decision less important than the decision regarding gender surgery?

I'm confused. My thought was since gender affirming surgery such as breast reduction was not life or death, perhaps waiting would not be a bad thing. I do think there is a difference of signing as nineteen for the breast reduction to look male versus having your parents sign when you are fifteen/sixteen years old. Hopefully since the choice is in your hands you might take the consequences more seriously and if it turns out you made the wrong choice for you, you'd own it and deal.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 10, 2024 16:19:45 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 10, 2024 15:28:25 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The more important number is what percentage of people who are “eligible” for the surgery receive it. 5%,20%,50%. That is the number that is important. It “should” be substantially lower in minors. But an 19 yo is an “adult” legally, but is not really all theat different than a 17 yo.

You do realize that pediatricians take the opinion of 17 yo with cancer into account when deciding treatment. Even to the point of deciding to stop treatment and start hospice. How is that life and death decision less important than the decision regarding gender surgery?

I'm confused. My thought was since gender affirming surgery such as breast reduction was not life or death, perhaps waiting would not be a bad thing. I do think there is a difference of signing as nineteen for the breast reduction to look male versus having your parents sign when you are fifteen/sixteen years old. Hopefully since the choice is in your hands you might take the consequences more seriously and if it turns out you made the wrong choice for you, you'd own it and deal.

As children get older, they get more say in their care. These surgeries are done as part of a multidisciplinary evaluations. Children mature at a different rate. Some 16 yo are more mature than 19yo. The decision about surgery is a decision involving the parents, child, and care team. The default decision is to wait, but there may be individual characteristics that may make the decision to go ahead.

Funny how the only time conservatives want yo intervene in a minors care is abortion, birth control, and care related to LGBT issues. If a parent wants to pray to treat diabetes or to not vaccinate their children, then it is all about parental rights

[billisonboard]

Nov 10, 2024 16:19:45 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 10, 2024 15:28:25 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The more important number is what percentage of people who are “eligible” for the surgery receive it. 5%,20%,50%. That is the number that is important. It “should” be substantially lower in minors. But an 19 yo is an “adult” legally, but is not really all theat different than a 17 yo.

You do realize that pediatricians take the opinion of 17 yo with cancer into account when deciding treatment. Even to the point of deciding to stop treatment and start hospice. How is that life and death decision less important than the decision regarding gender surgery?

I'm confused. My thought was since gender affirming surgery such as breast reduction was not life or death, perhaps waiting would not be a bad thing. I do think there is a difference of signing as nineteen for the breast reduction to look male versus having your parents sign when you are fifteen/sixteen years old. Hopefully since the choice is in your hands you might take the consequences more seriously and if it turns out you made the wrong choice for you, you'd own it and deal.

Are you sure? More trans teens attempted suicide after states passed anti-trans laws, a study shows

States that passed anti-transgender laws aimed at minors saw suicide attempts by transgender and gender nonconforming teenagers increase by as much as 72% in the following years, a new study by The Trevor Project says.

[NastyWoman]

Nov 10, 2024 16:39:09 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 10, 2024 16:19:45 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'm confused. My thought was since gender affirming surgery such as breast reduction was not life or death, perhaps waiting would not be a bad thing. I do think there is a difference of signing as nineteen for the breast reduction to look male versus having your parents sign when you are fifteen/sixteen years old. Hopefully since the choice is in your hands you might take the consequences more seriously and if it turns out you made the wrong choice for you, you'd own it and deal.

As children get older, they get more say in their care. These surgeries are done as part of a multidisciplinary evaluations. Children mature at a different rate. Some 16 yo are more mature than 19yo. The decision about surgery is a decision involving the parents, child, and care team. The default decision is to wait, but there may be individual characteristics that may make the decision to go ahead.

Funny how the only time conservatives want yo intervene in a minors care is abortion, birth control, and care related to LGBT issues. If a parent wants to pray to treat diabetes or to not vaccinate their children, then it is all about parental rights

I know several 16yo who are far, far more mature than the 78yo who was just elected as bully to the entire world aka POTUS 45

[gacpa]

I truly hope the people that voted for "you know who" get to experience firsthand the folly of their actions.  I am an accountant, and will tell you up front that I am very conservative in how I l live my life.  I have yet to vote Republican, because I don't recognize what that party is anymore.  Mainstream America has been gaslit by their rhetoric.  I wish people who voted republican could work for them as I have in the deep South for over 35 years.  The level of discrimination I have experienced against women is unreal, especially after I had a child, despite the fact I had the third highest billings in the firm.  The first two in billings were also women. Don't believe them when they say they are for fiscal responsibility.  What they are really for is greed.  They want to control all the money, so they can decide what to do with it. I promise you, they waste plenty of money.   

I think their rhetoric against the LGBTQ community and anyone else they choose to hate is to divert people's attention away from their greed.

[Opti]

Nov 10, 2024 15:52:13 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Nov 10, 2024 15:21:24 GMT -5 Opti said:

Trans is rare and I think its still uncommon to go the surgical option even if you are secure in your identity. Its a lower rate, but how normalized is it? Fifteen to seventeen is only a three-year stretch. If eighteen and older effectively means 18 to 25 I suppose they are very comparable. Prior to reading that article I had hoped all of these choices and surgeries were well vetted, but that article brought home the reality that some folks are preying on the young and confused for mortgage payments and what not. That perhaps kicking up the age for such surgeries might be a plus overall.

You've read 1 1st person article and believe there is serious enough abuse to regulate it so that no one can seek treatment? You believe there are doctors targeting kids and parents to sign off on double mastectomies to pay their mortgage? 

I won't say that bad things never happen, but everything I have seen, read and 2nd hand experienced is it is actually really complicated and time consuming to get hormone or surgical treatment - as an adult. As a kid.... hoops galore. Add in that it costs a lot of money so you're shelling out for it or adding in another layer of insurance approvals.

This problem doesn't exist except to control people. Control gender queer and trans people. And control the masses with fear as if the lgbtq are comin' righ' for ya.

I read more than one article and how does upping the age for surgery translate to no one can seek treatment? 

I will agree I have no idea what the size of the actual problem is. I looked up the regret rates for this type of surgery and it is low. Hopefully what I read were exceptions and not a pattern. 

[billisonboard]

Nov 10, 2024 17:20:04 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 10, 2024 15:52:13 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

You've read 1 1st person article and believe there is serious enough abuse to regulate it so that no one can seek treatment? You believe there are doctors targeting kids and parents to sign off on double mastectomies to pay their mortgage? 

I won't say that bad things never happen, but everything I have seen, read and 2nd hand experienced is it is actually really complicated and time consuming to get hormone or surgical treatment - as an adult. As a kid.... hoops galore. Add in that it costs a lot of money so you're shelling out for it or adding in another layer of insurance approvals.

This problem doesn't exist except to control people. Control gender queer and trans people. And control the masses with fear as if the lgbtq are comin' righ' for ya.

I read more than one article and how does upping the age for surgery translate to no one can seek treatment? 

I will agree I have no idea what the size of the actual problem is. I looked up the regret rates for this type of surgery and it is low. Hopefully what I read were exceptions and not a pattern. 

Regret rate for the surgery is much, much lower than the regret rate for marriage. I wonder if there is any human endeavor with a regret rate of zero. Not sure that is a realistic goal.

[pulmonarymd]

People regret plastic surgery. Yet we allow parents to allow their children to get plastic surgery all the time, and without all this nonsense. If the issue is the regret rate, than why not have the same limits on plastic surgery

[raeoflyte]

Nov 10, 2024 17:20:04 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 10, 2024 15:52:13 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

You've read 1 1st person article and believe there is serious enough abuse to regulate it so that no one can seek treatment? You believe there are doctors targeting kids and parents to sign off on double mastectomies to pay their mortgage? 

I won't say that bad things never happen, but everything I have seen, read and 2nd hand experienced is it is actually really complicated and time consuming to get hormone or surgical treatment - as an adult. As a kid.... hoops galore. Add in that it costs a lot of money so you're shelling out for it or adding in another layer of insurance approvals.

This problem doesn't exist except to control people. Control gender queer and trans people. And control the masses with fear as if the lgbtq are comin' righ' for ya.

I read more than one article and how does upping the age for surgery translate to no one can seek treatment? 

I will agree I have no idea what the size of the actual problem is. I looked up the regret rates for this type of surgery and it is low. Hopefully what I read were exceptions and not a pattern. 

You're suggesting government regulation to deny minors medical treatment.

You're buying into bs talking points.

[Opti]

Nov 10, 2024 16:50:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 10, 2024 16:19:45 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'm confused. My thought was since gender affirming surgery such as breast reduction was not life or death, perhaps waiting would not be a bad thing. I do think there is a difference of signing as nineteen for the breast reduction to look male versus having your parents sign when you are fifteen/sixteen years old. Hopefully since the choice is in your hands you might take the consequences more seriously and if it turns out you made the wrong choice for you, you'd own it and deal.

Are you sure? More trans teens attempted suicide after states passed anti-trans laws, a study shows

States that passed anti-transgender laws aimed at minors saw suicide attempts by transgender and gender nonconforming teenagers increase by as much as 72% in the following years, a new study by The Trevor Project says.

I hope not. Most of these states are banning the hormone therapy for minors too. I think that's crazy and a recipe for disaster. I know DeSantis wanted to make it hard to impossible for college students in Florida to get hormones administered on college campuses. 

[Pink Cashmere]

Nov 10, 2024 14:15:26 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

She doesn't want my husband in the women's bathroom. She thinks he should be punished for existing.

Doesn't matter that he was being confronted in the women's room years before he even knew transitioning was an option. He appeared male, not like a woman with short hair even then.

I have shared before on the boards, about a person at my job that was transitioning from male to female. 

When she left the building I work in, to work in another one, there was an uproar from female employees about her using the women’s bathrooms in that building. To the point that our building maintenance department was tasked with closing off the bottom of the bathroom stalls, because some of the complaints stemmed from other employees being able to see that her feet were facing the wrong way, I guess when she was urinating. I kid you not. She was still in the process of transitioning at the time. 

I admit that the first time I saw her right after she was first hired, I was confused. She kind of looked like a man, but had pink lipstick on and had what I couldn’t tell if they were man boobs or a woman’s breasts. But even with that, it wasn’t my business WHY I couldn’t tell what was what, so it was just some thoughts in that moment, that I didn’t dwell on. It was some time later that I heard that she was in the process of transitioning and it made sense why I was confused when I first saw her. 

A few years later, she was coming back to my building to work, and the managers had mandatory meetings with every employee in the building, specifically about her and what we could and could not say to her, before she was to report to work in our building. In over 20 years of working there, that has been the only time that if you missed a meeting because it was held on your day off work, your manager had to meet with you about the subject when you came back to work. 

I am a live and let live kind of person, and felt like her business was her business. I felt like in trying to cover their ass, my employer was wrong for putting her business out there the way they did. What I got out of the meeting was that all the rules meant that I shouldn’t say anything at all to her, for my own sake, and even though I normally would’ve been as cordial and friendly with her as I am with anyone else. 

Over the years, I did end up chatting with her a little, because she broke the ice and randomly started chatting with me. Not about anything personal, just griping about work. I felt bad for her, because I knew that people were mean to her even after she came back to work in my building. Not because she was rude or acted ugly, but just because she was different. I didn’t like that. 

She transferred somewhere else a few years ago and I don’t anything more about her story. I hope she is somewhere thriving. 

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So Trump has the trifecta. He will lower taxes on the ultra rich - but I suddenly got very upset that they will overturn the ACA and throw our medical system into chaos.