The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[moon/Laura]

Nov 9, 2024 17:56:39 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:54:04 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

It is when the only reason you care is because they're brown. I already said it once - if the southern border had white people on the other side, no one would care nearly as much as they do now.

you got no proof. 

Nor do you. But considering all the other racist bullshit he says, I think there's a better chance that *I'm* right, not you.

[dondubble]

Nov 9, 2024 17:46:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:32:18 GMT -5 dondubble said:

18,000+ apprehensions and no mention of nationalities. Perhaps you can provide a link showing how indigent Mexicans get into Canada in the first place. Then maybe another link showing how many got into the US. 18,000 didn’t.

Look it up yourself you just don't want to face the truth. The problem is on the southern side and it is not racist to want to stop it. 

Face what truth? I just debunked your claim and no way YOU can show how Mexicans are getting to Canada. That post of yours was bullshit, so no truth TO face.

[chiver78]

Nov 9, 2024 17:46:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:32:18 GMT -5 dondubble said:

18,000+ apprehensions and no mention of nationalities. Perhaps you can provide a link showing how indigent Mexicans get into Canada in the first place. Then maybe another link showing how many got into the US. 18,000 didn’t.

Look it up yourself you just don't want to face the truth. The problem is on the southern side and it is not racist to want to stop it. 

youre the one arguing this, you provide the proof.

[dondubble]

Nov 9, 2024 17:50:44 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:36:52 GMT -5 dondubble said:

So we should just throw out reality so you can feel good about supporting the liar in chief and his drumbeat that the economy is no good. Sorry to inform you that you, and he, are wrong.

I am talking reality most people on this board me included are not affected by the high cost. The people that are affected need a better economy. You are wrong this economy is shit. Housing is high, food is high, gas is high these are the things people see not you or any other dem saying oh we are better than other countries. We are the United States we should have a better economy

They have a fine economy. Jobs jobs jobs with wages now catching up to inflated prices. IRA’s and 401k’s doing well. Homeowners have seen excellent equity gains.

I bet you are blaming it all on Biden while forgetting that the Trump oil production cuts, 13% domestically and more with the Saudis and Russians, led to the gasoline price spike. Trump spent two trillion in stimulus. COVID caused supply chain issues but I have yet to see a repo-con with a fundamental knowledge of the S&D Curve.

The FED, under Biden, took corrective action and has now staunched inflation leading to rate cuts. Now if you kid starvers would just raise the FMW, those people you are pretending to care about might be a bit better off.

Having lived through the Nixxon-Bush Sr. Inflationary spiral, including getting into the mortgage biz with rates at 12.5%, and my own home loan at 13.375% during Reagan, I get quite a laugh at all you repo-con whiners. This inflation was a 3 year sneeze in comparison.

[seriousthistime]

Nov 9, 2024 16:02:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:57:28 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Yeah, I'm waiting to see how he will help out his supporters by reducing the price of groceries and rent.

Proposals I have seen mentioned so far - the GOP in the House has submitted a bill that says if you get both a pension and social security, they will reduce the amount of social security you get. This will significantly impact the middle class. 

It doesn't seem this is true.  

www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-republicans-just-introduce-bill-reduce-social-security-1983050

And the Windfall Elimination Provision and Government Pension Offset are based on sound rationale.  

But something in Project 2025 worries me. They want to make Medicare Advantage the default option when people sign up.  I do not want a Medicare Advantage plan because of their preauthorization requirements and being tied to a network.  I have Parts A and B now. I hope if Medicare Advantage is the default option, we don't need to re-enroll in Parts A and B every open season, or else be swept into the default option.  Nonetheless, I think all Medicare recipients will be put into a Medicare Advantage plan within the next ten years or so. 

Healthcare is going to be a clusterf**k with the new administration and will affect so many people in a negative way.  

[pulmonarymd]

That would require actually trying to make a rational argument. As we see, she has no interest in making a rational argument. She is here to just stir shit. She is a troll, who only wants to make everyone else angry.

She called the US a shithole country and the only proof she offers is trans people and a warped idea of what our economy is. When asked for proof she has none, and insults the people arguing with her.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 9, 2024 18:50:18 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

That would require actually trying to make a rational argument. As we see, she has no interest in making a rational argument. She is here to just stir shit. She is a troll, who only wants to make everyone else angry.

She called the US a shithole country and the only proof she offers is trans people and a warped idea of what our economy is. When asked for proof she has none, and insults the people arguing with her.

She also supports the J6 insurrectionists.

[pulmonarymd]

Trump loved to cite the Dow and S&P as proof of how great the economy was when he was president. What were they when he left office. What were they on Nov 4.

Just using the metric Trump used to compare the “economy”. Want to bet he does the same thing regardless of what the rest of the metrics say

[dondubble]

Nov 9, 2024 18:50:18 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

That would require actually trying to make a rational argument. As we see, she has no interest in making a rational argument. She is here to just stir shit. She is a troll, who only wants to make everyone else angry.

She called the US a shithole country and the only proof she offers is trans people and a warped idea of what our economy is. When asked for proof she has none, and insults the people arguing with her.

The real reason she called the US a shithole country under Obama was simply Obama. The other reasons…were they even an issue back then?

[Pink Cashmere]

Nov 9, 2024 18:48:52 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Nov 9, 2024 16:02:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Proposals I have seen mentioned so far - the GOP in the House has submitted a bill that says if you get both a pension and social security, they will reduce the amount of social security you get. This will significantly impact the middle class. 

It doesn't seem this is true.  

www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-republicans-just-introduce-bill-reduce-social-security-1983050

And the Windfall Elimination Provision and Government Pension Offset are based on sound rationale.  

But something in Project 2025 worries me. They want to make Medicare Advantage the default option when people sign up.  I do not want a Medicare Advantage plan because of their preauthorization requirements and being tied to a network.  I have Parts A and B now. I hope if Medicare Advantage is the default option, we don't need to re-enroll in Parts A and B every open season, or else be swept into the default option.  Nonetheless, I think all Medicare recipients will be put into a Medicare Advantage plan within the next ten years or so. 

Healthcare is going to be a clusterf**k with the new administration and will affect so many people in a negative way.  

What I’m about to say, is what I know as facts, because my side gig has to do with health insurance.

Part of the Postal Reform Act requires that USPS retirees enroll in Medicare when they are eligible, starting in 2025. The short story is that if they do not, even if they use the retirement benefit of keeping the same health insurance they had while employed, they will have no prescription drug coverage. 

Meaning that regardless of the prescription drug benefits and how that insurer covers prescription drugs for people that are not eligible for Medicare, if retirees do not take Medicare when they are eligible, their regular health insurance plan cannot cover their prescription drugs. They will have zero coverage for prescription drugs.

Maybe I’m just stupid, but I see that as a big win for private health insurance companies that offer plans to federal employees and retirees (the plans are the same whether currently employed or retired), like BCBS, United Healthcare, etc, but I don’t see how it makes sense for a federal agency to relieve private companies of those costs and add them to a federal program, Medicare. Especially when Medicare is already an issue when there is talk about the federal budget. 

Maybe someone smarter than me can make that make sense to me and tell me what I’m missing.

[jerseygirl]

Medicare funding apparently will be running out and no politician of any party wants to even bring up changing anything . This has been known for years



budget.house.gov/press-release/social-security-and-medicare-continue-on-path-to-insolvency-trustees-confirm

[billisonboard]

Nov 9, 2024 22:51:46 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Medicare funding apparently will be running out and no politician of any party wants to even bring up changing anything . This has been known for years



budget.house.gov/press-release/social-security-and-medicare-continue-on-path-to-insolvency-trustees-confirm

Trump is willing to change things: How Trump Could Affect Social Security And Medicare—Group Warns Funds Could Run Out In 6 Years Under His Plans

Former President Donald Trump’s projected win could impact Social Security and Medicare, as while the ex-president has publicly vowed not to cut the benefits programs, experts have warned his policy proposals—including a tax cut on Social Security payments—could make the programs run out of cash, with an analysis projecting Trump’s policy agenda would deplete Social Security’s funds sooner than expected, in just six years.

Yes, Trump will make it worse.

[Tennesseer]

Does trump really want a third and maybe final impeachment if he bankrupts/destroys Social Security and Medicare?

[tallguy]

Yes, Trump will make it worse.

It is a safe bet that if Trump is left to his own devices with nobody knowledgeable to rein him in, he will make EVERYTHING worse.  He doesn't really know anything about anything, so any improvement based on his ideas alone will be an accident.

[pulmonarymd]

The other problem is that you actually have to want to govern to make things better. Unfortunately, the republicans have proven over at least the last dozen years that they have no interest in doing so. They would rather posture and introduce bills that go nowhere so they can claim the democrats also do nothing. So the likhoof that anything positive is done in the next 4 years is almost zero

[Pink Cashmere]

Nov 9, 2024 22:51:46 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Medicare funding apparently will be running out and no politician of any party wants to even bring up changing anything . This has been known for years



budget.house.gov/press-release/social-security-and-medicare-continue-on-path-to-insolvency-trustees-confirm

I will admit that I just skimmed the article in the link, and did not read it thoroughly.

But what I did understand from just skimming it, only confirmed the questions I posed in my last post in this thread.

If Medicare is a real burden on our national budget, why make it mandatory for a workforce of hundreds of thousands of federal employees, to take Medicare when they retire and are eligible for Medicare, and punish them with no prescription drug coverage if they don’t take Medicare, even if they have health insurance from for profit companies that have nothing to do with the federal government?

How does that not drive up the costs for Medicare to pay, costs that prove health insurance companies have been paying until this starts in 2025? How is that good for our national budget, when everybody already acts like Medicare costs are a real problem with our national budget. 

[Spellbound454]

Nov 9, 2024 17:54:04 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:46:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

Look it up yourself you just don't want to face the truth. The problem is on the southern side and it is not racist to want to stop it. 

It is when the only reason you care is because they're brown. I already said it once - if the southern border had white people on the other side, no one would care nearly as much as they do now.

And yet from a cursory glance at Opti's figures

Its Black and Latino votes for Trump which have increased the most..... and won him the election.

This is surely an election where half the country feels left out and in poverty

and for those people, wheeling out rich stars to tell them what to do, is a bit of an insult.

[Tennesseer]

[scgal]

Nov 9, 2024 18:35:48 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:46:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

Look it up yourself you just don't want to face the truth. The problem is on the southern side and it is not racist to want to stop it. 

Face what truth? I just debunked your claim and no way YOU can show how Mexicans are getting to Canada. That post of yours was bullshit, so no truth TO face.

The information is there you don't want to see it. I don't care you can't hide the truth there are more people trying to get in from the southern border than the northern so that is where you focus on first. 

[scgal]

Nov 9, 2024 17:59:49 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:27:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

Wrong she ran a terrible race. The people don't want to hear about how good the economy is---it is not good. Like I told DJ take all the stats charts and throw them away they don't pay the peoples bills. We don't care that we have a better post covid economy than the rest of the world we should we are the richest country in world.

Young people are not all maga advocates but they didn't turn out for Harris either at least not like the dems thought they would. As far as student loans I blame some of that on the parents never teaching the kids responsibility, telling them its ok to borrow a 100k for a dumb arts degree. The whole system is flawed

I do care that our economy is doing better than the rest of the world. And I am unhappy about how much rent, groceries and internet went up. But I don't see how Trump is going to fix any of that. I think many MAGAs have amnesia and forget how expensive eggs and pork (as a couple examples) were his last year in office. I think a dozen of eggs was around $5.99 as was ground pork on sale. Finally, I see ground pork on sale for 2.99 to 3.99 a pound but back then 5.99 was on the cheaper side!

I didn't forget shit. Last year in office there was covid. Hell I pay $8 for ground pork now but then I don't buy it at the grocery store either since Smithfield is owned by the Chinese. 

[scgal]

You guys are melting down because your girl lost. Trump numbers were up with African Americans, Latinos, and a whole bunch didn't show up for the ol gal. So face it the America  that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside. 

If we are lucky enough will get so annoyed they will leave buh bye.

[billisonboard]

Nov 10, 2024 8:37:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

You guys are melting down because your girl lost. Trump numbers were up with African Americans, Latinos, and a whole bunch didn't show up for the ol gal. So face it the America  that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside. 

If we are lucky enough will get so annoyed they will leave buh bye.

I think what was voted for is open to questions. Trump played a great deal on economic concerns and made some major promises. His social agenda was a bit less clear. Will he be able to satisfy voters economically? Perhaps. When his social agenda does come into better focus, will it draw continued support for him or motivate turnout against it in the 2026 midterms? Time will tell.

[billisonboard]

Nov 10, 2024 8:37:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

You guys are melting down because your girl lost. Trump numbers were up with African Americans, Latinos, and a whole bunch didn't show up for the ol gal. So face it the America  that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside. 

If we are lucky enough will get so annoyed they will leave buh bye.

I want to acknowledge your boy won. And voters did turn out for the ol guy.

Word choice can expose so much.

[azucena]

Nov 10, 2024 10:01:49 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 10, 2024 8:37:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

You guys are melting down because your girl lost. Trump numbers were up with African Americans, Latinos, and a whole bunch didn't show up for the ol gal. So face it the America  that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside. 

If we are lucky enough will get so annoyed they will leave buh bye.

I want to acknowledge your boy won. And voters did turn out for the ol guy.

Word choice can expose so much.

My thoughts exactly.

My skin crawled at word choice and I keep having to remind myself that scgal is a fellow female.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

The term "sore loser" is often used. The term "sore winner" less often. Those who have to brag. 

[thyme4change]

Nov 9, 2024 23:12:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Does trump really want a third and maybe final impeachment if he bankrupts/destroys Social Security and Medicare?

He couldn’t pass it without Congress, and we can’t impeach him without Congress. And it won’t be bankrupt for 6 years - when there will be a new President, so Trump would NEVER feel any repercussions of fucking up SS/MC. If he gets it passed and it goes down in flames he will blame someone else and then die.

[moon/Laura]

Nov 10, 2024 10:01:49 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 10, 2024 8:37:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

You guys are melting down because your girl lost. Trump numbers were up with African Americans, Latinos, and a whole bunch didn't show up for the ol gal. So face it the America  that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside. 

If we are lucky enough will get so annoyed they will leave buh bye.

I want to acknowledge your boy won. And voters did turn out for the ol guy.

Word choice can expose so much.

And yet, she would have us believe she's not racist.

[happyhoix]

Nov 10, 2024 11:02:27 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Nov 9, 2024 23:12:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Does trump really want a third and maybe final impeachment if he bankrupts/destroys Social Security and Medicare?

He couldn’t pass it without Congress, and we can’t impeach him without Congress. And it won’t be bankrupt for 6 years - when there will be a new President, so Trump would NEVER feel any repercussions of fucking up SS/MC. If he gets it passed and it goes down in flames he will blame someone else and then die.

That’s the thing, Trump may want to just stop funding both Medicare and Social security, to make up for the tax breaks he will make (again) just for the ultra wealthy and big corporations, and he doesn’t give a shit about what voters think because he’s not running for office again. He also doesn’t give a shit about the GOP, so couldn’t care less if they crash and burn.

His focus will be enriching himself and his wealthy friends like Elon Musk, and taking apart those parts of government that have interfered with his grifting in the past - like the DOJ and the IRS. And he will spend the bulk of his time playing golf and trying to get people who made fun of him jailed. 

He’ll leave the actual governing to his clown show. 

And that will be the problem for the GOP members of Congress. Unlike Trump, they will want to get re-elected. They have to make some efforts to help the middle class. And above all, they can NOT fuck with Medicare and social security, two extremely popular programs, and the support for all the middle class retired people. They also can’t stand by while RFK tries to take apart the FDA, stop vaccines and stop fluoridating the water supply - things only the conspiracy nuts will get behind. 

So I think we’ll see a big power struggle in the GOP and a moderate block of GOP members will emerge and combine with the Dems to override the far right lunatics funded by the millionaires who want to continue to fuck over the middle class. That’s my hope, anyway. 

[pulmonarymd]

I wouldn’t be so sure about what you hope. All rational thought seems to have gone by the wayside. If they start to cut Medicare and ss only in the future, then those close to retirement age and above won’t give 2 shots, and many of the others who voted for Trump will be too stupid to realize it will hurt them.

As to the FDA and RFK; there is a significant and growing anti-science/anti-intellectual bent in the Republican Party. I wouldn’t be so sure they will care what happens in that arena.

It all comes down to who the members of Congress fear most. But with gerrymandering and safe districts, they fear people running to their right in primaries more than the general voting population. It’s why all those people who thought they protected abortion rights but voted for Trump may be sorry

[Opti]

Nov 10, 2024 8:37:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

You guys are melting down because your girl lost. Trump numbers were up with African Americans, Latinos, and a whole bunch didn't show up for the ol gal. So face it the America  that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside. 

If we are lucky enough will get so annoyed they will leave buh bye.

Given the amount of votes Trump received, I don't think his voters are all that unified on what they want and why they voted for him. I was hoping to be wrong, but it was a sign that America was not ready to vote for a biracial woman in as President. There are other issues, and I agree somewhat with Ryan on all the issues surrounding trans, sex, and identity. I am not sure how to resolve most of the issues. Bathroom access needs to be guaranteed and managed somehow. I really do not know how to address sports especially competitions but perhaps that needs to be analyzed and studied in a scientific way to get some clarity. Later that could lead to guidelines. Given the abuses of some doctors, I do believe sex change operations do need to be restricted for those not yet eighteen.