The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[chen35]

My 7 year old asked today why Trump didn’t want the Latinos to live here. We tried to explain the best we could. He said, “that’s why kids should be able to vote, we know that’s wrong”
It made me proud and broke my heart all at the same time.

[moon/Laura]

Nov 9, 2024 14:42:16 GMT -5 greenthumb59 said:

You guys can tell if your vote was counted?  Wow - how?

In Colorado, you can sign up for BallotTrax and get text messages confirming receipt and when it was counted. They put the info about it in the voting packet. Don't know how other states do it, and I'm betting some states don't offer it at all.

[chiver78]

Nov 9, 2024 11:18:43 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Nov 9, 2024 10:25:37 GMT -5 scgal said:

Please explain to me why the wall is racist? It is a border wall so saying to keep brown people out cannot be used. So please explain why.

Oh give me a break. If the border had white people on the other side the wall would never have even been brought up.

right? there's a lot of Canadians here illegally. ask me why I know this. (not my fam, but they have friends..)

[chiver78]

Nov 9, 2024 12:54:03 GMT -5 pooks said:

I know no one wants to hear it, but I am at the let it burn phase.  I know a lot of good people will get hurt, but the D's have been insulating Maga from their bad choices.  I am ready for the R's to fully act on project 2025.  The only way out now is through.  


I have also stopped all donations within my 70% MAGA state and told the charities, I no longer want to be contacted.  I have shut off all media, I will come back in 4 years.  For now, I will read books and train my dog.  

I realize this is white straight privilege, but I can't deal with people right now.  I am not sure how bad this will be for me and mine, but I think we can manage 4 years.  

I fully understand this, all of it, including recognizing that it is the privilege I have. and I both hate and find relief in it. 🫤

[happyhoix]

Nov 9, 2024 13:31:30 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Nov 9, 2024 13:16:23 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

I'm kinda right there with you. It's gonna suck ass, big time. But I want the people that voted for that piece of shit to suffer majorly, so they see what they've done. Of course, none of them will actually admit that they were wrong.....

They've already said there will be some pain initially.  But if he blames the Dems for the problems he's trying to fix, and says better days are coming, they will believe his lies. 

There's research that shows the wealthy tend to donate to charities that do not ease the burden of the poor. They donate to the symphony, opera, their alma mater, etc.  And the amount they donate (and deduct from their taxes) can sit in a donor advised fund for years without being disbursed to a charity. There's a disconnect between charitable giving and the amount charities receive because of what still in donor advised funds. 

finance.yahoo.com/news/ultrawealthy-charities-helping-no-one-130100543.html

So far, other than watching and reading a bit of post-election quarter-backing, I'm in a news blackout. I'm relying on the phone notifications I receive from the various news sites I follow.  If something looks like it's going to be a trigger I just don't click on it.  If it's more neutral I can go directly to a particular story without having to scroll through all the other stuff. During the first Trump term I was only partially successful in avoiding the news.  There were just too many mornings I'd wake up and see he did something or other and get angry or upset.



 

I used to check the news obsessively during Trump’s first term, because I was afraid he would start a war by nuking someone stupid like Greenland. I felt I needed to keep tabs on him to see what disaster he might start (like his shitty Covid response). 

Now I’m thinking there’s not a damn thing I can do, anyway. I stopped watching the news on TV. Mostly just check on the Crime or lifestyle sections on line. Knowing what stupid things he and his admin are doing and not being able to do anything about it is worse than not knowing at all. 

[busymom]

Aw man.  Have any of you seen any news on election shenanigans? 


I just got a message from an old friend of mine who has family living in Georgia.  After waiting in line for 2 hours to vote, they were instructed to go to another site to vote, about 10 miles away, so they got to wait an additional 2 hours before they FINALLY got to vote.  I'm wondering how many folks gave up & never voted.  I don't doubt that there were some shady stuff going on in some parts of the country.  

[happyhoix]

Nov 9, 2024 11:57:28 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Yeah, I'm waiting to see how he will help out his supporters by reducing the price of groceries and rent.

Proposals I have seen mentioned so far - the GOP in the House has submitted a bill that says if you get both a pension and social security, they will reduce the amount of social security you get. This will significantly impact the middle class. 

Mike Johnson talked about significantly restricting the ACA prior to the election, then quickly walked it back. Now that the election is over, I expect that to be put forward. One of the suggestions is to allow insurance carriers to charge people more if they have pre existing conditions - which means people with significant illnesses will either pay significantly more or become uninsurable.  (Saves insurance companies tons of money…. Not so much for sick middle class people who have to pay for it).

Another thing already happening is businesses who import raw materials for their business have started stockpiling items anticipating the prices will jump once Trump imposes his tariffs. One PA business had a meeting with their employees and told them there would be no Christmas bonuses this year because they had to spend that money on raw materials prior to them getting a lot more expensive. Not a single person there understood why their business costs would rise, because Trump promised China would pay for it - so the company CEO had to explain how tariffs work. 

Experts have predicted a 40% jump in gaming systems, if the tariffs go through. 

Then there are all the small businesses that export their goods - if we add on tariffs, other countries will too, and some of those businesses will go under in the resulting trade war. 

This is what is happening so far, before Trump even takes office. 

[moon/Laura]

Nov 9, 2024 15:54:57 GMT -5 busymom said:

Aw man.  Have any of you seen any news on election shenanigans? 


I just got a message from an old friend of mine who has family living in Georgia.  After waiting in line for 2 hours to vote, they were instructed to go to another site to vote, about 10 miles away, so they got to wait an additional 2 hours before they FINALLY got to vote.  I'm wondering how many folks gave up & never voted.  I don't doubt that there were some shady stuff going on in some parts of the country.  

I've no doubt either, given they've been trying to disenfranchise voters for years by removing polling places (especially in poorer areas), not doing mail-in or early voting, etc. If it was discovered that a lot of ballots weren't counted, I wouldn't be surprised. I don't necessarily think it would change the outcome, don't get me wrong. But after all the years they've accused dems of "cheating", it really makes you wonder if they're the ones truly guilty of it.

[tallguy]

Nov 9, 2024 15:54:57 GMT -5 busymom said:

Aw man.  Have any of you seen any news on election shenanigans? 


I just got a message from an old friend of mine who has family living in Georgia.  After waiting in line for 2 hours to vote, they were instructed to go to another site to vote, about 10 miles away, so they got to wait an additional 2 hours before they FINALLY got to vote.  I'm wondering how many folks gave up & never voted.  I don't doubt that there were some shady stuff going on in some parts of the country.  

Was that related to the bomb threats at polling places in Democratic areas that presumably came from Russia, or were there other "irregularities" going on in Georgia? 

[tallguy]

Nov 9, 2024 16:02:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:57:28 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Yeah, I'm waiting to see how he will help out his supporters by reducing the price of groceries and rent.

Proposals I have seen mentioned so far - the GOP in the House has submitted a bill that says if you get both a pension and social security, they will reduce the amount of social security you get. This will significantly impact the middle class. 

Mike Johnson talked about significantly restricting the ACA prior to the election, then quickly walked it back. Now that the election is over, I expect that to be put forward. One of the suggestions is to allow insurance carriers to charge people more if they have pre existing conditions - which means people with significant illnesses will either pay significantly more or become uninsurable.  (Saves insurance companies tons of money…. Not so much for sick middle class people who have to pay for it).

Another thing already happening is businesses who import raw materials for their business have started stockpiling items anticipating the prices will jump once Trump imposes his tariffs. One PA business had a meeting with their employees and told them there would be no Christmas bonuses this year because they had to spend that money on raw materials prior to them getting a lot more expensive. Not a single person there understood why their business costs would rise, because Trump promised China would pay for it - so the company CEO had to explain how tariffs work. 

Experts have predicted a 40% jump in gaming systems, if the tariffs go through. 

Then there are all the small businesses that export their goods - if we add on tariffs, other countries will too, and some of those businesses will go under in the resulting trade war. 

This is what is happening so far, before Trump even takes office. 

Wish someone could explain to Trump how tariffs work.  On the other side, any person who believes a single word out of the mouth of Donald Trump is an idiot.

[obelisk]

Nov 9, 2024 12:59:04 GMT -5 Opti said:

I do think many voters voted for the illusion that things will be cheaper when Trump is in office. Oddly enough it appears a good portion of his gains in votes were from Hispanic, Asian and those who identified as other.

www.nbclosangeles.com/decision-2024/2024-voter-turnout-election-demographics-trump-harris/3554587/?os=io....sxj9oul9no_journeystrue&ref=app

What changed for Trump between the 2020 and 2024 elections?

NBC News, in conjunction with a consortium of news organizations, conducted exit polls across 10 key states both at polling locations and over the phone. Those states are Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and Wisconsin.

Below is a look at some of NBC News' findings from its exit polls in the last two presidential races with a breakdown of voting across gender, race, age and more for Trump, Harris and Biden.

Opti stop posting links, only post you opinions

[moon/Laura]

Nov 9, 2024 16:34:42 GMT -5 obelisk said:

Nov 9, 2024 12:59:04 GMT -5 Opti said:

I do think many voters voted for the illusion that things will be cheaper when Trump is in office. Oddly enough it appears a good portion of his gains in votes were from Hispanic, Asian and those who identified as other.

www.nbclosangeles.com/decision-2024/2024-voter-turnout-election-demographics-trump-harris/3554587/?os=io....sxj9oul9no_journeystrue&ref=app

What changed for Trump between the 2020 and 2024 elections?

NBC News, in conjunction with a consortium of news organizations, conducted exit polls across 10 key states both at polling locations and over the phone. Those states are Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and Wisconsin.

Below is a look at some of NBC News' findings from its exit polls in the last two presidential races with a breakdown of voting across gender, race, age and more for Trump, Harris and Biden.

Opti stop posting links, only post you opinions

Ummm, that's not how this works. Everyone else posts links freely, so you don't get to tell Opti she can't.

[scgal]

Nov 9, 2024 11:37:48 GMT -5 busymom said:

Nov 9, 2024 10:25:37 GMT -5 scgal said:

Please explain to me why the wall is racist? It is a border wall so saying to keep brown people out cannot be used. So please explain why.

      That's easy.  There has been no talk about putting up a wall between the US and Canada.  And we DO get people sneaking into the US through Canada.  But, nobody cares because people assume those coming in through Canada are white.  Stories of people freezing to death while walking across the border during the Winter do make the news here.  No, they weren't white.  Still, no talk about a wall along the Canadian border.   

It is simple economics not racist. Where are you going to put the effort. A quick google search in May of 2024 there were 18000 illegal crossings (btw mostly mexican) from Canada. The same month from illegal crossing from Mexico was 117000. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Come on now 18k vs 117k. 

A wall is not racist

[busymom]

Nov 9, 2024 16:23:12 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Nov 9, 2024 15:54:57 GMT -5 busymom said:

Aw man.  Have any of you seen any news on election shenanigans? 


I just got a message from an old friend of mine who has family living in Georgia.  After waiting in line for 2 hours to vote, they were instructed to go to another site to vote, about 10 miles away, so they got to wait an additional 2 hours before they FINALLY got to vote.  I'm wondering how many folks gave up & never voted.  I don't doubt that there were some shady stuff going on in some parts of the country.  

Was that related to the bomb threats at polling places in Democratic areas that presumably came from Russia, or were there other "irregularities" going on in Georgia? 

     They weren't given a reason.  Now here is where it gets really weird.  The husband has mobility issues.  The wife was allowed to vote at the first polling place, but the husband had to go to the 2nd polling place, and stand the entire time in line.  Thankfully he was stubborn enough to wait & get his vote in, but there was no place to sit & rest, so it was painful & exhausting for him.  

[Tennesseer]

A The New Yorker magazine article.

It Can Happen Here

Everyone who realizes with proper alarm that Trump’s reëlection is a deeply dangerous moment in American life must think hard about where we are.

On the morning after Donald Trump was elected President for the first time, in 2016, the White House was a funereal place. For weeks, Barack Obama and his inner circle had worried about Hillary Clinton’s campaign—the failure to visit crucial battleground states with sufficient frequency, the snooty crack about “deplorables,” James Comey’s last-minute letter to Congress about her e-mails. But, for all the troubling signs and missteps, they were optimistic that, in a tighter-than-expected race, America would elect the first woman to the Presidency. A legacy, a continuity, would prevail.

Trump’s shocking victory shattered those assumptions, and that day, as many young, stricken staffers crowded into the Oval Office, Obama tried to raise their morale and convince them that the election of an aspiring autocrat did not spell the end of America’s long, if profoundly imperfect, experiment in liberal democracy. History does not move in straight lines, he told them. Sometimes it goes sideways, sometimes it goes backward. It was a solemn, pastoral performance, and, on some level, Obama was also engaged in a form of self-soothing. Two days later, in an interview with The New Yorker, he again tried to keep despair at bay: “I think nothing is the end of the world until the end of the world.”

Privately, Obama, the first Black man elected to the White House, allowed himself to wonder if he had “come along too soon.” A generational political talent, he had deployed the resonant language and narrative of the civil-rights movement (“the fierce urgency of now”) to promote broad-based reforms, particularly the Affordable Care Act. His residence in a house built by enslaved Black men and women seemed to suggest, if hardly an end to American racism, then surely a significant advance for the idea of a multiethnic democracy. But now he was being succeeded by a figure of unmistakable reaction—a poisonous demagogue, a bigot, who proposed a very different American story. The system was “rigged,” Trump told his followers. Foreign leaders were “laughing at us.” The country was a hellscape of ominous “illegal aliens,” “rapists,” gang members, and psychotics from faraway prisons and asylums. “American carnage” was his assessment of the country, and only he could set things right.

Trump’s reëlection, his victory over Kamala Harris, can no longer be ascribed to a failure of the collective imagination. He is the least mysterious public figure alive; he has been announcing his every disquieting tendency, relentlessly, publicly, for decades. Who is left, supporter or detractor, who does not acknowledge, at least to some degree, his cynicism and divisiveness, his disrespect for selfless sacrifice? To him, fallen American soldiers are “suckers.” Many of his former closest advisers—Vice-President Mike Pence; his chief of staff John Kelly; Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff—have described him as unfit, unstable, and, in the case of Kelly and Milley, a fascist. In the closing weeks of the campaign, Trump went out of his way to dismiss his consultants’ blandishments to moderate his tone. Instead, he pretended to fellate a microphone and threatened to direct the military against the “enemy from within.” He emphasized every rotten thing about himself, as if to say, “Forget the scripted stuff on the teleprompter. Listen to me when I go off-the-cuff. The conspiracy theories. The fury. The vengeance. The race-baiting. The embrace of Putin and Orbán and Xi. The wild stories. This is me, the real me. I’m a genius. I’m weaving!”

Rest of article here: It Can Happen Here

[busymom]

Nov 9, 2024 16:26:58 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Nov 9, 2024 16:02:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Proposals I have seen mentioned so far - the GOP in the House has submitted a bill that says if you get both a pension and social security, they will reduce the amount of social security you get. This will significantly impact the middle class. 

Mike Johnson talked about significantly restricting the ACA prior to the election, then quickly walked it back. Now that the election is over, I expect that to be put forward. One of the suggestions is to allow insurance carriers to charge people more if they have pre existing conditions - which means people with significant illnesses will either pay significantly more or become uninsurable.  (Saves insurance companies tons of money…. Not so much for sick middle class people who have to pay for it).

Another thing already happening is businesses who import raw materials for their business have started stockpiling items anticipating the prices will jump once Trump imposes his tariffs. One PA business had a meeting with their employees and told them there would be no Christmas bonuses this year because they had to spend that money on raw materials prior to them getting a lot more expensive. Not a single person there understood why their business costs would rise, because Trump promised China would pay for it - so the company CEO had to explain how tariffs work. 

Experts have predicted a 40% jump in gaming systems, if the tariffs go through. 

Then there are all the small businesses that export their goods - if we add on tariffs, other countries will too, and some of those businesses will go under in the resulting trade war. 

This is what is happening so far, before Trump even takes office. 

Wish someone could explain to Trump how tariffs work.  On the other side, any person who believes a single word out of the mouth of Donald Trump is an idiot.

     Business major here.  I could try & explain it, but he never listens to anyone else.  He claims to be the "smartest guy in the room".    He could actually have the cream of the crop advisors around him, but he doesn't listen and doesn't seem to care, and brags about following his gut.  If the tariffs kick in next year, if you think prices are bad now, it's going to get worse.  

[scgal]

Nov 9, 2024 11:53:54 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 9, 2024 9:52:39 GMT -5 scgal said:

The article shows just one of the mistakes her campaign made. The Taylor Swift enforcement was going to get the young vote. Posters here was drooling all over themselves talking about her connecting with the younger crowd. Well where were they? they didn't show up. They just didn't connect with her. Plain and simple most of the country just do not connect with the ideals of the dem party. 

Wrong. Plain and simple most of the country voted with their wallets. Trump promised the middle class they would be rolling in money. Harris did not focus enough on how good the Biden economy is, compared with the rest of the world. Nearly everyone else had /is having a post Covid recession. We did not. Economists rated Harris’ economy policies better than Trumps, for lowering debt and helping the middle class - but the Dems did not broadcast that well, and it couldn’t cut through the Trump lies. 

Do not for a minute think the young adults are all MAGA advocates. Sure, some percentage of them are the young skin head racists that think Trump ‘gets’ them, but most of them are drowning in student loans, struggling to get by, thinking they will never be able to afford to own a home.  

This has nothing to do with the country ‘failing to connect with the ideals of the dem party’. If Trump can’t lower interest rates and prices they’ll leave him like rats leaving a leaky ship in the midterms.

Wrong she ran a terrible race. The people don't want to hear about how good the economy is---it is not good. Like I told DJ take all the stats charts and throw them away they don't pay the peoples bills. We don't care that we have a better post covid economy than the rest of the world we should we are the richest country in world.

Young people are not all maga advocates but they didn't turn out for Harris either at least not like the dems thought they would. As far as student loans I blame some of that on the parents never teaching the kids responsibility, telling them its ok to borrow a 100k for a dumb arts degree. The whole system is flawed

[dondubble]

Nov 9, 2024 17:20:15 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:37:48 GMT -5 busymom said:

      That's easy.  There has been no talk about putting up a wall between the US and Canada.  And we DO get people sneaking into the US through Canada.  But, nobody cares because people assume those coming in through Canada are white.  Stories of people freezing to death while walking across the border during the Winter do make the news here.  No, they weren't white.  Still, no talk about a wall along the Canadian border.   

It is simple economics not racist. Where are you going to put the effort. A quick google search in May of 2024 there were 18000 illegal crossings (btw mostly mexican) from Canada. The same month from illegal crossing from Mexico was 117000. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Come on now 18k vs 117k. 

A wall is not racist

18,000+ apprehensions and no mention of nationalities. Perhaps you can provide a link showing how indigent Mexicans get into Canada in the first place. Then maybe another link showing how many got into the US. 18,000 didn’t.

[dondubble]

Nov 9, 2024 17:27:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:53:54 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Wrong. Plain and simple most of the country voted with their wallets. Trump promised the middle class they would be rolling in money. Harris did not focus enough on how good the Biden economy is, compared with the rest of the world. Nearly everyone else had /is having a post Covid recession. We did not. Economists rated Harris’ economy policies better than Trumps, for lowering debt and helping the middle class - but the Dems did not broadcast that well, and it couldn’t cut through the Trump lies. 

Do not for a minute think the young adults are all MAGA advocates. Sure, some percentage of them are the young skin head racists that think Trump ‘gets’ them, but most of them are drowning in student loans, struggling to get by, thinking they will never be able to afford to own a home.  

This has nothing to do with the country ‘failing to connect with the ideals of the dem party’. If Trump can’t lower interest rates and prices they’ll leave him like rats leaving a leaky ship in the midterms.

Wrong she ran a terrible race. The people don't want to hear about how good the economy is---it is not good. Like I told DJ take all the stats charts and throw them away they don't pay the peoples bills. We don't care that we have a better post covid economy than the rest of the world we should we are the richest country in world.

Young people are not all maga advocates but they didn't turn out for Harris either at least not like the dems thought they would. As far as student loans I blame some of that on the parents never teaching the kids responsibility, telling them its ok to borrow a 100k for a dumb arts degree. The whole system is flawed

So we should just throw out reality so you can feel good about supporting the liar in chief and his drumbeat that the economy is no good. Sorry to inform you that you, and he, are wrong.

[scgal]

Nov 9, 2024 17:32:18 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:20:15 GMT -5 scgal said:

It is simple economics not racist. Where are you going to put the effort. A quick google search in May of 2024 there were 18000 illegal crossings (btw mostly mexican) from Canada. The same month from illegal crossing from Mexico was 117000. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Come on now 18k vs 117k. 

A wall is not racist

18,000+ apprehensions and no mention of nationalities. Perhaps you can provide a link showing how indigent Mexicans get into Canada in the first place. Then maybe another link showing how many got into the US. 18,000 didn’t.

Look it up yourself you just don't want to face the truth. The problem is on the southern side and it is not racist to want to stop it. 

[scgal]

Nov 9, 2024 17:36:52 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:27:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

Wrong she ran a terrible race. The people don't want to hear about how good the economy is---it is not good. Like I told DJ take all the stats charts and throw them away they don't pay the peoples bills. We don't care that we have a better post covid economy than the rest of the world we should we are the richest country in world.

Young people are not all maga advocates but they didn't turn out for Harris either at least not like the dems thought they would. As far as student loans I blame some of that on the parents never teaching the kids responsibility, telling them its ok to borrow a 100k for a dumb arts degree. The whole system is flawed

So we should just throw out reality so you can feel good about supporting the liar in chief and his drumbeat that the economy is no good. Sorry to inform you that you, and he, are wrong.

I am talking reality most people on this board me included are not affected by the high cost. The people that are affected need a better economy. You are wrong this economy is shit. Housing is high, food is high, gas is high these are the things people see not you or any other dem saying oh we are better than other countries. We are the United States we should have a better economy

[moon/Laura]

Nov 9, 2024 17:46:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:32:18 GMT -5 dondubble said:

18,000+ apprehensions and no mention of nationalities. Perhaps you can provide a link showing how indigent Mexicans get into Canada in the first place. Then maybe another link showing how many got into the US. 18,000 didn’t.

Look it up yourself you just don't want to face the truth. The problem is on the southern side and it is not racist to want to stop it. 

It is when the only reason you care is because they're brown. I already said it once - if the southern border had white people on the other side, no one would care nearly as much as they do now.

[scgal]

Nov 9, 2024 17:54:04 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:46:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

Look it up yourself you just don't want to face the truth. The problem is on the southern side and it is not racist to want to stop it. 

It is when the only reason you care is because they're brown. I already said it once - if the southern border had white people on the other side, no one would care nearly as much as they do now.

you got no proof. 

[Tennesseer]

In reply #6014 above, the The New Yorker magazine article title I believe is a take off of Sinclair Lewis's book, It Can't Happen Here.  I believe I recommended It Can't Happen Here back in 2016 when trump was the Republican candidate for president.  I am recommending it again.

A summary of It Can't Happen Here below:

It Can't Happen Here

[Opti]

Nov 9, 2024 17:27:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:53:54 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Wrong. Plain and simple most of the country voted with their wallets. Trump promised the middle class they would be rolling in money. Harris did not focus enough on how good the Biden economy is, compared with the rest of the world. Nearly everyone else had /is having a post Covid recession. We did not. Economists rated Harris’ economy policies better than Trumps, for lowering debt and helping the middle class - but the Dems did not broadcast that well, and it couldn’t cut through the Trump lies. 

Do not for a minute think the young adults are all MAGA advocates. Sure, some percentage of them are the young skin head racists that think Trump ‘gets’ them, but most of them are drowning in student loans, struggling to get by, thinking they will never be able to afford to own a home.  

This has nothing to do with the country ‘failing to connect with the ideals of the dem party’. If Trump can’t lower interest rates and prices they’ll leave him like rats leaving a leaky ship in the midterms.

Wrong she ran a terrible race. The people don't want to hear about how good the economy is---it is not good. Like I told DJ take all the stats charts and throw them away they don't pay the peoples bills. We don't care that we have a better post covid economy than the rest of the world we should we are the richest country in world.

Young people are not all maga advocates but they didn't turn out for Harris either at least not like the dems thought they would. As far as student loans I blame some of that on the parents never teaching the kids responsibility, telling them its ok to borrow a 100k for a dumb arts degree. The whole system is flawed

I do care that our economy is doing better than the rest of the world. And I am unhappy about how much rent, groceries and internet went up. But I don't see how Trump is going to fix any of that. I think many MAGAs have amnesia and forget how expensive eggs and pork (as a couple examples) were his last year in office. I think a dozen of eggs was around $5.99 as was ground pork on sale. Finally, I see ground pork on sale for 2.99 to 3.99 a pound but back then 5.99 was on the cheaper side!

[tallguy]

Nov 9, 2024 17:46:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:32:18 GMT -5 dondubble said:

18,000+ apprehensions and no mention of nationalities. Perhaps you can provide a link showing how indigent Mexicans get into Canada in the first place. Then maybe another link showing how many got into the US. 18,000 didn’t.

Look it up yourself you just don't want to face the truth. The problem is on the southern side and it is not racist to want to stop it. 

I am on record many times here saying that every single person who is in the country illegally should be deported, but I will always go back to the words of Will Hurd:
1.  A wall is a 3rd-century solution to a 21st-century problem.
2.  Building a 30-foot-high concrete structure from sea to shining sea is the most expensive and least effective way to do border security.

Trump is an idiot.  The entire idea behind, "Build the wall" was from three advisers who wanted something that would appeal to a lot of scared people and was simple enough to remember that even Trump would not screw it up.  That's a fact.  

Simplistic ideas for simpletons.  

[tallguy]

Nov 9, 2024 17:56:39 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 9, 2024 17:54:04 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

It is when the only reason you care is because they're brown. I already said it once - if the southern border had white people on the other side, no one would care nearly as much as they do now.

you got no proof. 

You have never had proof for anything you have ever said.  I doubt you have ever even had logic or reason for anything you have ever said.

[Tennesseer]

Trump makes unsubtle call for immigration from ‘nice’ countries
April 11, 2024

There was nothing subtle about Donald Trump's use of the word “nice,” followed by his reference to countries with overwhelmingly white populations.

As 2018 got underway, Donald Trump hosted a White House meeting with a group of senators and referred to Haiti and African nations as “s---hole countries.” The Republican added that he’d like to see the United States welcome more people from countries such as Norway.

The rhetoric was hardly subtle: Trump wasn’t making the case against immigration, per se; he was instead making the case against welcoming Black people. If folks from overwhelmingly white Scandinavian countries want to relocate to American soil, the then-president was apparently comfortable with that.

Six months later, Trump traveled to Great Britain and lamented immigration to Europe. “I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was, and I don’t mean that in a positive way,” he said, adding, “I think you are losing your culture. Look around.”

A Washington Post analysis noted at the time, “That argument — that immigration changes existing ‘culture’ for the worse — is a staple of white nationalist rhetoric in the United States.”

As Trump eyes a possible return to the White House, his perspective doesn’t appear to have changed at all. The New York Times reported:

Former President Donald J. Trump, speaking at a multimillion-dollar fund-raiser on Saturday night, lamented that people were not immigrating to the United States from “nice” countries “like Denmark.”

According to the Times’ account, which has not been independently verified by MSNBC or NBC News, the former president specifically referenced the 2018 controversy surrounding his “s---hole countries” comments.

“And when I said, you know, ‘Why can’t we allow people to come in from nice countries, I’m trying to be nice,’” the presumptive GOP nominee reportedly said at the fundraising dinner. “Nice countries, you know like Denmark, Switzerland? Do we have any people coming in from Denmark? How about Switzerland? How about Norway?”

Rest of article here:  Trump makes unsubtle call for immigration from ‘nice’ countries

[tallguy]

Nov 9, 2024 18:04:42 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump makes unsubtle call for immigration from ‘nice’ countries
April 11, 2024

There was nothing subtle about Donald Trump's use of the word “nice,” followed by his reference to countries with overwhelmingly white populations.

As 2018 got underway, Donald Trump hosted a White House meeting with a group of senators and referred to Haiti and African nations as “s---hole countries.” The Republican added that he’d like to see the United States welcome more people from countries such as Norway.

The rhetoric was hardly subtle: Trump wasn’t making the case against immigration, per se; he was instead making the case against welcoming Black people. If folks from overwhelmingly white Scandinavian countries want to relocate to American soil, the then-president was apparently comfortable with that.

Six months later, Trump traveled to Great Britain and lamented immigration to Europe. “I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was, and I don’t mean that in a positive way,” he said, adding, “I think you are losing your culture. Look around.”

A Washington Post analysis noted at the time, “That argument — that immigration changes existing ‘culture’ for the worse — is a staple of white nationalist rhetoric in the United States.”

As Trump eyes a possible return to the White House, his perspective doesn’t appear to have changed at all. The New York Times reported:

Former President Donald J. Trump, speaking at a multimillion-dollar fund-raiser on Saturday night, lamented that people were not immigrating to the United States from “nice” countries “like Denmark.”

According to the Times’ account, which has not been independently verified by MSNBC or NBC News, the former president specifically referenced the 2018 controversy surrounding his “s---hole countries” comments.

“And when I said, you know, ‘Why can’t we allow people to come in from nice countries, I’m trying to be nice,’” the presumptive GOP nominee reportedly said at the fundraising dinner. “Nice countries, you know like Denmark, Switzerland? Do we have any people coming in from Denmark? How about Switzerland? How about Norway?”

Rest of article here:  Trump makes unsubtle call for immigration from ‘nice’ countries

Why would anyone from Denmark, Switzerland, or Norway WANT to come here?  They look at people like Trump being in charge and think America is a "s---hole country." 

[Tennesseer]

And what is the predominate race of the citizens of Denmark, Switzerland, or Norway?