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Post by ripvanwinkle on Jul 23, 2024 19:11:18 GMT -5
I think you missed the symbolism here. Like the movie, in weeks ago, the dems realized Bidens political career and reelection was dead but they had to keep him hidden. Is this SCP? Did he die of Parkinson's? Is he buried next to Hillary? If nothing else, Trumper's are cheap entertainment with their conspiracy theories. Who is SCP?
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Post by Opti on Jul 23, 2024 19:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 23, 2024 19:23:12 GMT -5
The first time Obama won I had this exact same fear. I really liked him but feared he couldn’t win. I was so happy to be wrong. ( I also feared he would be assassinated- so very happy to be wrong about that, too). This time I don’t think that way. The same people who wouldn’t vote for her are the people already voting for Trump. I think to the rest of us, she looks great, especially paired with an astronaut. The contrast with the GOP ticket will be fabulous. One of the reasons Barack Obama won the election in 2008 is because John McCain selected Sarah Palin as his running mate. She was way too over the top for American voters.Way over the top how? I was one of those who considered voting for McCain until he chose Sarah Palin. All she had to do was to open her mouth and display her ignorance. Since McCain was not in the best of health (I think he had heart issues at the time), I really didn't like the idea that she was the Plan B for the party. At the time, I thought he was going to choose Lieberman so was blindsided by Palin.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jul 23, 2024 19:27:11 GMT -5
The first time Obama won I had this exact same fear. I really liked him but feared he couldn’t win. I was so happy to be wrong. ( I also feared he would be assassinated- so very happy to be wrong about that, too). This time I don’t think that way. The same people who wouldn’t vote for her are the people already voting for Trump. I think to the rest of us, she looks great, especially paired with an astronaut. The contrast with the GOP ticket will be fabulous. One of the reasons Barack Obama won the election in 2008 is because John McCain selected Sarah Palin as his running mate. She was way too over the top for American voters. She was way over the top? So a certain segment of American voters decided to go even further over the top eight years later?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 23, 2024 19:29:47 GMT -5
Exactly she had positions but never done anything hell she didn't even want to visit the border. Again she is nothing Moreover, she's been a very active vice president and it doesn't take much to find her views on issues. She's hardly been silent.
Just because you're ignorant on things doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 23, 2024 19:31:46 GMT -5
One of the reasons Barack Obama won the election in 2008 is because John McCain selected Sarah Palin as his running mate. She was way too over the top for American voters. She was way over the top? So a certain segment of American voters decided to go even further over the top eight years later? Yup...in their ignorance.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 23, 2024 20:53:05 GMT -5
I think Kamala running for President is a terrible, terrible idea. It’s not just that I don’t care for her as a candidate. I hate to say it, but this is not the time for a woman or POC to run for President. There is too much at stake and there are too many people that will not be able to bring themselves to vote for a woman or POC, regardless of how awful Trump is. Trump’s opponent needs to be an articulate, intelligent, middle aged white man with a family, who cares about this nation and ALL of its citizens and their rights. I honestly don’t think she can win. I agree, mainly because in my opinion the Dems need to win any way they can. And pushing Biden out was not the way to do things. Why not have Joe develop a heart problem or step down two years into this next term? We get a female President AND more importantly we keep Trump and his American Nazis out of the WH. And hopefully away from some of their power. And because they pushed Biden out, Kamala Harris does need to be the Presidential candidate. I'm not going to pick her VP, but I would be OK with-it being Joe Biden. I am so mad at those hot heads in DC. They needed to chill and think about the country. To think about the closest, we can get to a guaranteed win. But they did not. And for now, they have lost me and my heart on this. Why O why couldn't they have done something more sensible like how NJ Dems finally got Mendez out of office. He has agreed to resign in a timely fashion instead of being pushed out. But he actually did crimes. Not have just a bad month or so campaigning. There were a LOT of voters who didn’t want to vote for Joe 2 months ago. His performance at the debate increased that number. He then went on the interview circuit to prove his competence and he sucked at those too. He was losing people at a swift pace. 3 more months of the GoP advertising showing him looking decrepit could have been effective. There is no guarantee Biden was a winner.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 23, 2024 22:30:29 GMT -5
Sounds great on the surface. Details? Romney is a 77 year old conservative. How many votes would he attract to a liberal candidate's election? What negative impact would he have on younger voters' turnout? Would he even be willing to accept the offer?
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 23, 2024 23:00:40 GMT -5
Sounds great on the surface. Details? Romney is a 77 year old conservative. How many votes would he attract to a liberal candidate's election? What negative impact would he have on younger voters' turnout? Would he even be willing to accept the offer? How many votes would he attract to a liberal candidate's election? It only needs to ease the minds of a few thousand people in key states to matter. What negative impact would he have on younger voters' turnout? Probably none. They will accept that they got a slice of what they wanted. Would he even be willing to accept the offer? I doubt it - but you never know. It would be pretty historic. The anti-Trump republicans all have to do some real introspection and see what they are willing to do. Mitt would have to face his convictions and see what is best.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 23, 2024 23:28:01 GMT -5
Sounds great on the surface. Details? Romney is a 77 year old conservative. How many votes would he attract to a liberal candidate's election? What negative impact would he have on younger voters' turnout? Would he even be willing to accept the offer? How many votes would he attract to a liberal candidate's election? It only needs to ease the minds of a few thousand people in key states to matter. What negative impact would he have on younger voters' turnout? Probably none. They will accept that they got a slice of what they wanted. Would he even be willing to accept the offer? I doubt it - but you never know. It would be pretty historic. The anti-Trump republicans all have to do some real introspection and see what they are willing to do. Mitt would have to face his convictions and see what is best. An almost 60 year old career politician, even a woman of color, is an awfully thin slice to satisfy what younger voters want.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2024 1:00:48 GMT -5
I'd never even heard of Obama until he was on Oprah's television show. And he did just fine, in spite of how he & his wife were treated. i think this is an excellent point. it is one thing to be someone who people barely know, and dislike because of the RUMORS. it is quite another to come face to face with that person and have to make up your mind what you think based on that experience.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2024 1:01:52 GMT -5
To be fair, though, the word "theory" has a very different and much stricter definition within the world of science than it does outside that world with the general public and in general usage. i hope it is ok for me to hate that fact. because i hate that fact.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2024 1:06:21 GMT -5
I just don't think she has what she needs to be president. Although I can't figure out why...I'd like to see another strong female (or male) candidate take the party lead. “I don’t like Kamala, but I can’t put my finger on why….” Are you sure you don’t know why? Who is this stronger female? Warren (75 years old and pretty far to the left), Klobachar (got real quiet after everyone found out she is a tough boss), Porter (couldn’t even get the nomination for CA Senate), Clinton (already lost to Trump, plus she eats babies)? We never get a perfect candidate. this is the whole female problem in the US. if you are tough, you get accused of being butch (and thus unappealing) if you are not, you are too weak to be president. i am sick of it. i want a competent president. preferably one that believes in the constitution, the rule of law, and the liberal nature of the court system. until about 30 seconds ago, i had not added the third thing. but now until probably the day i die, i will. any PERSON that can clear those three hurdles gets my vote until BOTH candidates can clear all three of those hurdles, and then i will go back to voting the way i did before.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2024 1:08:02 GMT -5
The man is clearly not well if you watched it nit just a pic you would see he just wandered off...iooh man fell out of the sky let me look. When the corralled him he looked so lost. Dems keep making excuses for him many on this board. Remember he fell off a bike oh happens all the time bullshit he forgot he was even on a bike. Then the terrible debate performance they can't hide it any longer. Harris is a nothing, nothing accomplished in the senate nothing done as a vp. Trump is going to destroy her. You have a lot to say about Biden’s cognitive abilities. What about Trumps? You think Trump will destroy Harris? Trump isn’t capable of telling the truth, apparently. Harris won’t let his lies slide. Trump stumbles with words - a LOT more than he did in 2016. Even when reading from a teleprompter, he wanders off topic and gets stuck in a sea of self pity. Being on a debate stage with a black woman who is talking rings around him will make him crabby, combative, and reduce his verbal ability to angry sputtering. Trump knows this. This is why he’s trying to find a way to back out of it. Harris needs to push for weekly debates, which is why Trump kept trying to get Biden to do it. Harris is quite a liar herself. but her lies are of a different nature and degree than Trump's. she lies about things that improve her street cred. Trump lies about everything. her lies are not dangerous. many of his are.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2024 1:12:57 GMT -5
Interesting propaganda... green jobs were the fastest growing sector around 2009-2010 or so Guess they only approve of affirmative action if its a white boy they can mold like JD Vance The average inflation rate in the United States from 1914 to 2024 was 3.30%. As of July 11, 2024, the annual inflation rate in the United States was 3% for the 12 months ending in June 2024, according to the U.S. Labor Department. that is not a torch. that is a matchstick. same thing that Trump was passed before he burned our country down. i would really like people to stop lying about stuff. really. like. now. tyia.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2024 1:14:17 GMT -5
The DNC fundraising totals in the last couple of days have given me slight hope. they should do more than that. Incel Musk backed out of his $45M pledge, apparently. it came right after Trump claimed that without his subsidies, Musk would never have invented anything. not kidding. look it up.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2024 1:15:16 GMT -5
aka WCPS at one point, he was the most prolific poster on the board. until i became the giant 2x4 up his arse.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2024 1:16:33 GMT -5
One of the reasons Barack Obama won the election in 2008 is because John McCain selected Sarah Palin as his running mate. She was way too over the top for American voters.Way over the top how? I was one of those who considered voting for McCain until he chose Sarah Palin. All she had to do was to open her mouth and display her ignorance. Since McCain was not in the best of health (I think he had heart issues at the time), I really didn't like the idea that she was the Plan B for the party. At the time, I thought he was going to choose Lieberman so was blindsided by Palin. it wasn't his choice. he WANTED Lieberman.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2024 1:18:11 GMT -5
Moreover, she's been a very active vice president and it doesn't take much to find her views on issues. She's hardly been silent.
Just because you're ignorant on things doesn't mean they don't exist.
Ouch! they said exactly the same thing about Obama in 2008 and 2012. this is an opportunity to recognize a pattern. and come to terms with it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2024 1:20:34 GMT -5
I agree, mainly because in my opinion the Dems need to win any way they can. And pushing Biden out was not the way to do things. Why not have Joe develop a heart problem or step down two years into this next term? We get a female President AND more importantly we keep Trump and his American Nazis out of the WH. And hopefully away from some of their power. And because they pushed Biden out, Kamala Harris does need to be the Presidential candidate. I'm not going to pick her VP, but I would be OK with-it being Joe Biden. I am so mad at those hot heads in DC. They needed to chill and think about the country. To think about the closest, we can get to a guaranteed win. But they did not. And for now, they have lost me and my heart on this. Why O why couldn't they have done something more sensible like how NJ Dems finally got Mendez out of office. He has agreed to resign in a timely fashion instead of being pushed out. But he actually did crimes. Not have just a bad month or so campaigning. There were a LOT of voters who didn’t want to vote for Joe 2 months ago. His performance at the debate increased that number. He then went on the interview circuit to prove his competence and he sucked at those too. He was losing people at a swift pace. 3 more months of the GoP advertising showing him looking decrepit could have been effective. There is no guarantee Biden was a winner. i agree with Thyme. and that was unfortunate. because he was FAR more qualified than Trump, and had a FAR better record. and he was far more coherent and generally healthy. my problem with this WHOLE THING is that Trump should have dropped out FIRST. then we could make a case for Biden dropping out. i am still upset that that asshole is still running and Biden is not. i will remain upset until he loses or dies.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 24, 2024 1:56:43 GMT -5
There were a LOT of voters who didn’t want to vote for Joe 2 months ago. His performance at the debate increased that number. He then went on the interview circuit to prove his competence and he sucked at those too. He was losing people at a swift pace. 3 more months of the GoP advertising showing him looking decrepit could have been effective. There is no guarantee Biden was a winner. i agree with Thyme. and that was unfortunate. because he was FAR more qualified than Trump, and had a FAR better record. and he was far more coherent and generally healthy. my problem with this WHOLE THING is that Trump should have dropped out FIRST. then we could make a case for Biden dropping out. i am still upset that that asshole is still running and Biden is not. i will remain upset until he loses or dies.If only we got a say on which happened first....
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Post by Opti on Jul 24, 2024 2:06:53 GMT -5
Not sure if this will display or not, www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/when-america-was-great-according-to-data/ar-BB1mYttE?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=bcc45bde897a496081eaaaf715d06ec7&ei=18Cool, it did. Please note that those born from 1960 to 1969 and those born from 1970 to 1979 seem to agree on when the best music was which appears to be 1980s. Also notice how pegged those born 1940-1949 are pegged to 1950 for when things were best. Only those born 1946-1949 are technically Boomers. The 1940-1945 set are silent generation and early articles on Boomers, a pure marketing concept IMO, concentrated on the 1940 to1945 set. I think the 1950s is perceived as being best for families because of TV shows and relentless marketing in America. Leave it Beaver, etc. with wise TV dad's and helpful loving TV moms. The love and belief in fiction is what makes the 1950s IMO rate so high for some people.
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Post by Opti on Jul 24, 2024 2:23:05 GMT -5
I think Kamala running for President is a terrible, terrible idea. It’s not just that I don’t care for her as a candidate. I hate to say it, but this is not the time for a woman or POC to run for President. There is too much at stake and there are too many people that will not be able to bring themselves to vote for a woman or POC, regardless of how awful Trump is. Trump’s opponent needs to be an articulate, intelligent, middle aged white man with a family, who cares about this nation and ALL of its citizens and their rights. I honestly don’t think she can win. My husband agrees with you, I hope you are both wrong. Its going to be tricky. With Biden/Harris the guy who does the keys to predict who wins, said Biden/Harris would win. They easily have 6 of the 11 keys in their pocket. But the math and keys change if Biden is out. I did not watch the rest of the video, which I posted somewhere on a Politics thread. Maybe I will seek it out and watch it this weekend. Throwing out an incumbency with good economic numbers is generally a great way to dig yourself a deep hole to lose in. I wish people would recognize that every election cycle, the incumbent gets crap polling numbers while various voting blocks threaten to not vote for them or vote for the other guy, as a way of forcing concessions from the current Presidential team in power. That's how it works. I think heads literally hot from higher temps, climate change, over-reacted and may have cost us the election.
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There were a LOT of voters who didn’t want to vote for Joe 2 months ago. His performance at the debate increased that number. He then went on the interview circuit to prove his competence and he sucked at those too. He was losing people at a swift pace. 3 more months of the GoP advertising showing him looking decrepit could have been effective. There is no guarantee Biden was a winner. i agree with Thyme. and that was unfortunate. because he was FAR more qualified than Trump, and had a FAR better record. and he was far more coherent and generally healthy. my problem with this WHOLE THING is that Trump should have dropped out FIRST. then we could make a case for Biden dropping out. i am still upset that that asshole is still running and Biden is not. i will remain upset until he loses or dies.And here we have the first time ever that I feel men have a natural advantage* that I am truly jealous off: I really would like to go piss on his grave but I don't want my butt to hang out *There is nothing "natural" about the way males, mostly white males, are favored in society IMO.
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Post by Opti on Jul 24, 2024 2:34:49 GMT -5
Way over the top how? I was one of those who considered voting for McCain until he chose Sarah Palin. All she had to do was to open her mouth and display her ignorance. Since McCain was not in the best of health (I think he had heart issues at the time), I really didn't like the idea that she was the Plan B for the party. At the time, I thought he was going to choose Lieberman so was blindsided by Palin. it wasn't his choice. he WANTED Lieberman. Agreed. I think he had to take Palin in order for his political party to support his Presidential candidacy.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 24, 2024 7:34:11 GMT -5
Wow. The initiation fee at MAL is now a million bucks. It was 200,000 in 2017.
Also costs you 2000 bucks to stay the night in a room.
Admirable grifting.
Worth it, I guess, if you can read state secrets on the crapper.
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Post by Opti on Jul 24, 2024 7:52:12 GMT -5
Yes just one initiation fee at Mar Lago now recoups two years of Presidential salary.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jul 24, 2024 8:41:52 GMT -5
Not sure if this will display or not, www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/when-america-was-great-according-to-data/ar-BB1mYttE?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=bcc45bde897a496081eaaaf715d06ec7&ei=18Cool, it did. Please note that those born from 1960 to 1969 and those born from 1970 to 1979 seem to agree on when the best music was which appears to be 1980s. Also notice how pegged those born 1940-1949 are pegged to 1950 for when things were best. Only those born 1946-1949 are technically Boomers. The 1940-1945 set are silent generation and early articles on Boomers, a pure marketing concept IMO, concentrated on the 1940 to1945 set. I think the 1950s is perceived as being best for families because of TV shows and relentless marketing in America. Leave it Beaver, etc. with wise TV dad's and helpful loving TV moms. The love and belief in fiction is what makes the 1950s IMO rate so high for some people. I don't understand what this has to do with the 2024 election?
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