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Post by Opti on Oct 1, 2022 12:56:49 GMT -5
Right ... I thought this was all in context to DJ's comment. Its not movie dialogue I remember or will even choose to remember going forward. What's up with the NJ hate? One person or one character's opinion does not define a state. Your post and DJ's jeez feel a lot like gas lighting of the lessers. . well, i don't gas light, and i think of you as an equal on this board. i meant my apology to be succinct and contrite. i don't want to excuse or explain it. i just wanted to say that i was NOT being serious. i was paraphrasing My Cousin Vinny. i have nothing against any PLACE. this is a beautiful planet, and every place has it's charm. again, i was trying to be funny. if i insulted you or Oklahoma, i AGAIN apologize. Its wasn't funny to me, because I did not get the reference. We are good. TG, on the other hand ...
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Post by tallguy on Oct 1, 2022 13:22:54 GMT -5
I seriously hope you are not comparing the military to coed or rec league volleyball. . (point) <----- Missed I seriously hope since time has elapsed since you posted this, you can notice the theme of team building. There are multiple ways to build cohesive teams, even for life and death situations. Just because that's how the US military does things does not mean it is a good way or even the best way to build a team to rely on. And I would have seriously hoped that, for someone who readily admits that they have not played sports at the level I have, you would not try to lecture me on team-building. I have always been so team-oriented, in fact, that I had one coach tell me I was the only player he ever had who he had to take out of a game for not shooting enough. At least one other expressed similar sentiments to get me to take over more. Please don't think you have any idea of what I know. I have played, and coached, at levels above rec league volleyball, and would never even think about equating it to putting together and molding a military unit. The negative consequence of someone going home because they don't enjoy playing is many, many orders of magnitude below the negative consequence of getting your entire unit blown up or overrun. Not to mention that the complexity of putting together and running a volleyball team is orders of magnitude below even running a basketball team, much less a football team. To think you can even compare, based on what you have presented here, is the height of misplaced arrogance. There is an old saying about quitting while you're ahead. Considering you have never been anywhere close to being ahead here, and are putting yourself further behind with every post, I would guess that quitting would become an even more attractive option. I'm sure the rest of the board would appreciate not having to read any more of this.... I am leaving for the day and may be back tomorrow night. If there is any more nonsense I need to rebut I hope it will wait until then.
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Post by Opti on Oct 1, 2022 13:54:48 GMT -5
And I would have seriously hoped that, for someone who readily admits that they have not played sports at the level I have, you would not try to lecture me on team-building.
The fact that you practically sneered through the screen with
coed or rec league volleyball
as if lessons in team building can't come from everywhere. Surely if you really value intellectual honesty and being better, learning from everywhere you will check your perceived sports superiority at the door and try to understand what I am sharing with you.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 1, 2022 14:01:34 GMT -5
How about the three of you leaving this thread and take it off-line. Fucking rediculous.
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Post by moon/Laura on Oct 1, 2022 14:09:45 GMT -5
I was just going to suggest that we move back to the thread topic as well. Things derail often but this just doesn't belong here. Please and thank you.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 1, 2022 19:55:18 GMT -5
I tried to suggest that....
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2022 22:22:49 GMT -5
i appreciate the defenses offered. i tend to take stuff like this far too personally. as we were, as they say.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 2, 2022 11:21:04 GMT -5
I'm shocked. National Archives says it still doesn't have all Trump White House records
(CNN)The National Archives has told the House Oversight Committee that certain presidential records from the Trump administration remain outstanding, citing information that some White House staff used non-official electronic systems to conduct official business. In a Friday letter to the panel's chairwoman, New York Democrat Carolyn Maloney, the National Archives and Records Administration, or NARA, said it had been unable to obtain records from a number of former officials and will continue to pursue the return of similar types of Presidential records from former officials. But, "while there is no easy way to establish absolute accountability, we do know that we do not have custody of everything we should," NARA said. Rest of article here: National Archives says it still doesn't have all Trump White House records
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Oct 2, 2022 12:39:55 GMT -5
I'm shocked. National Archives says it still doesn't have all Trump White House records
(CNN)The National Archives has told the House Oversight Committee that certain presidential records from the Trump administration remain outstanding, citing information that some White House staff used non-official electronic systems to conduct official business. In a Friday letter to the panel's chairwoman, New York Democrat Carolyn Maloney, the National Archives and Records Administration, or NARA, said it had been unable to obtain records from a number of former officials and will continue to pursue the return of similar types of Presidential records from former officials. But, "while there is no easy way to establish absolute accountability, we do know that we do not have custody of everything we should," NARA said. Rest of article here: National Archives says it still doesn't have all Trump White House recordsI am with those who think he lined Ivana's coffin with the missing documents. That way, he can blame her. What's she going to do about it?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2022 12:53:07 GMT -5
he's got lots of properties. i am thinking Trump Tower in NYC.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 3, 2022 17:50:54 GMT -5
And of course trumo was non-compliant. I'm shocked. National Archives alerted lawyers for Trump about missing letters with North Korean leader in May 2021, records showThe National Archives alerted lawyers for former President Donald Trump in May 2021 that Trump’s letters with North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un – and two dozen boxes of records – were missing, according to new correspondence the Archives released on Monday. Gary Stern, general counsel for the National Archives and Records Administration, wrote to former Trump White House lawyers Patrick Philbin, Mike Purpura and Scott Gast on May 6, 2021, alerting them that the letters Trump had exchanged with Kim and the letter he received from his predecessor, President Barack Obama, were missing, according to the correspondence released Monday in response to dozens of Freedom of Information Act requests. In the email, Stern asked for the lawyers’ help to ensure the Archives received all presidential records as required under law. Rest of article see here: National Archives alerted lawyers for Trump about missing letters with North Korean leader in May 2021, records show
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 3, 2022 18:24:56 GMT -5
might be that they don't exist.
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Post by toomuchreality on Oct 3, 2022 20:21:54 GMT -5
And of course trumo was non-compliant. I'm shocked. National Archives alerted lawyers for Trump about missing letters with North Korean leader in May 2021, records showThe National Archives alerted lawyers for former President Donald Trump in May 2021 that Trump’s letters with North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un – and two dozen boxes of records – were missing, according to new correspondence the Archives released on Monday. Gary Stern, general counsel for the National Archives and Records Administration, wrote to former Trump White House lawyers Patrick Philbin, Mike Purpura and Scott Gast on May 6, 2021, alerting them that the letters Trump had exchanged with Kim and the letter he received from his predecessor, President Barack Obama, were missing, according to the correspondence released Monday in response to dozens of Freedom of Information Act requests. In the email, Stern asked for the lawyers’ help to ensure the Archives received all presidential records as required under law. Rest of article see here: National Archives alerted lawyers for Trump about missing letters with North Korean leader in May 2021, records showWow. I'm so surprised! I might have a heart attack, from that great big huge surprise! (that he didn't comply) 🤣
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 3, 2022 20:44:01 GMT -5
Trump’s lawyer refused his request in February to say all documents returned After initial return of 15 boxes, attorney Alex Cannon thought there might be more records at Mar-a-Lago, people familiar with the matter said Former president Donald Trump asked one of his lawyers to tell the National Archives and Records Administration in early 2022 that Trump had returned all materials requested by the agency, but the lawyer declined because he was not sure the statement was true, according to people familiar with the matter. As it turned out, thousands more government documents — including some highly classified secrets — remained at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club. The later discovery of those documents, through a May grand jury subpoena and the Aug. 8 FBI search of the Florida property, are at the heart of a criminal investigation into the potential mishandling of classified material and the possible hiding, tampering or destruction of government records. Alex Cannon, an attorney for Trump, had facilitated the January transfer of 15 boxes of presidential records from Mar-a-Lago to the National Archives, after archives officials agitated for more than a year to get “all original presidential records” back, which they are required by law to do. Following months of stonewalling by Trump’s representatives, archives officials threatened to get the Justice Department or Congress involved. Trump himself eventually packed the boxes that were returned in January, people familiar with the matter said. The former president seemed determined in February to declare that all material sought by the archives had been handed over, said the people, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal conversations. Around the same time The Washington Post reported that the archives had retrieved documents from Mar-a-Lago, the people said, Trump asked his team to release a statement he had dictated. The statement said Trump had returned “everything” the archives had requested. Trump asked Cannon to send a similar message to archives officials, the people said. In addition, the former president told his aides that the documents in the boxes were “newspaper clippings” and not relevant to the archives, two of these people said, and complained that the agency charged with tracking government records was being persnickety about securing the materials from his Florida club. But Cannon, a former Trump Organization lawyer who worked for the campaign and for Trump after the presidency, told Trump he could not tell the archives all the requested material had been returned. He told others he was not sure if other documents were still at the club and would be uncomfortable making such a claim, the people familiar with the matter said. Other Trump advisers also encouraged Cannon not to make such a definitive statement, people familiar with the matter said. The Feb. 7 statement Trump dictated was never released over concerns by some of his team that it was not accurate, people familiar with the matter said. A different statement issued three days later said Trump had given boxes of materials to the archives in a “friendly” manner. It did not say that all of the materials were handed over. “The papers were given easily and without conflict and on a very friendly basis, which is different from the accounts being drawn up by the Fake News Media,” said the Feb. 10 statement, which came on the same day The Washington Post reported that classified material was found in the 15 boxes. A Trump spokesman did not respond to specific questions for this article, instead issuing a statement that said the Justice Department “has no greater ally than the Bezos-subsidized Washington Post, which seems to only serve as the partisan microphone of leakers and liars buried deep within the bowels of America’s government. President Trump remains committed to defending the Constitution and the Office of the Presidency, ensuring the integrity of America for generations to come.” (Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post.) Cannon did not respond to a detailed email seeking comment about his interactions with Trump and the archives. The question of whether Trump — or anyone else — knew that there was additional government material at Mar-a-Lago after the return of the 15 boxes has become a central issue in the Justice Department investigation. Attempts to get Trump’s representatives to falsely state he had no presidential records in his possession could serve as evidence that he was intentionally and knowingly withholding documents. And if Trump continued to pressure aides to make false statements even after learning the Justice Department was involved in retrieving the documents, authorities could see those efforts as an attempt to obstruct their investigation. Even as Trump was seeking to convey that he had complied fully with the request from the archives, Cannon appears to have been communicating a different message to officials at the agency. On Feb. 8, according to people familiar with the matter, archives lawyer Gary Stern told colleagues at the agency that he had spoken with Cannon and that Cannon said he did not know if there were more relevant documents in Trump’s possession. Stern had been asking the Trump team to attest that all relevant documents had been returned, and privately feared they had not, these people said. Months earlier, in late 2021, when the archives was seeking the return of specific presidential documents, Cannon had told Stern there could be more documents in Trump’s possession than what he was transmitting to the agency, but that he did not know one way or the other. Cannon also told Stern that he was not sure where all the documents were located, or what the documents were, according to people familiar with the conversations. According to an account given to Stern’s colleagues, Stern also asked Trump lawyer Pat Philbin whether there were more documents, the people said. Philbin declined through a spokesman to comment for this article. Rest of article here: Trump’s lawyer refused his request in February to say all documents returned
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 3, 2022 20:47:46 GMT -5
might be that they don't exist. Trump's 'Love Letters' To Kim Jong Un Reportedly Reveal North Korean Leader Was 'Ready To Work' With US On DenuclearizationOver a dozen letters exchanged between former U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un were published by the Korean-American Club. What Happened: Trump’s self-described 'love letters' from Kim were retrieved by the authorities from his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida. In the letter, Kim reportedly expressed his willingness to discuss his isolated country’s denuclearization with Trump while sidelining then-South Korean President Moon Jae In, reported Star And Stripes. In a letter dated April 2018 — two months before meeting with the former U.S. president for the first time at the Singapore summit — Kim said, “I am ready to work with your excellency with all my heart and devotion” to accomplish a feat no one has ever accomplished. On the same day, Trump replied that he was “happy to meet” Kim to “drastically” improve relations between the two nations. Trump wrote Kim a second letter four months later in which he expressed gratitude for repatriating 55 remains that were thought to be those of U.S. soldiers killed in the 1950–53 Korean War. “Thank you for keeping your promise to start the repatriation process of our soldiers,” Trump wrote in the letter dated August 2018. “I look forward to seeing you soon,” he added. Check out more of Benzinga's Europe and Asia coverage by following this link. In June 2019, Kim extended birthday wishes to Trump and congratulated him on the one-year anniversary of the “historical moment” in Singapore. “I extend my warmest regards for your excellency’s birthday,” Kim wrote. However, things started to rot a month later when Kim, in a letter dated August 2019, expressed displeasure about joint military drills. He said he was “offended” by the “paranoid” war exercises between the U.S. and South Korean military. “As of now, it is very difficult for me and my people to understand the decision and behavior of you and South Korean authorities,” he said. This development came a month after Trump reportedly admitted taking Kim's letters and other “tremendous stuff” along with him when he left the White House at the end of his term. “Most of it is in the archives, but the Kim Jong Un letters … we have incredible things,” Trump told The Atlantic. Trump's 'Love Letters' To Kim Jong Un Reportedly Reveal North Korean Leader Was 'Ready To Work' With US On Denuclearization
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 3, 2022 21:05:49 GMT -5
that claim that i just made would backfire on him. he told the entire world, dozens of times, that he had them. he bragged about it. if it is a fabrication, it is even worse than if he kept them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 4, 2022 19:39:44 GMT -5
really? omg. that is....that is NUTS. do i need to explain why that is nuts, or do most of you think that is nuts, too?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 4, 2022 19:45:48 GMT -5
The whole trump presidency and post-presidency was/is nuts. Why should this be any different
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Post by toomuchreality on Oct 4, 2022 20:20:29 GMT -5
The whole trump presidency and post-presidency was/is nuts. Why should this be any different AGREED! He's nuts! (to put it nicely.) I often wonder why anyone listens to anything he says.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 6, 2022 19:46:02 GMT -5
Justice Dept. Is Said to Believe Trump Has More DocumentsA top Justice Department official told former President Donald J. Trump’s lawyers in recent weeks that the department believed he had not returned all the documents he took when he left the White House, according to two people briefed on the matter. The outreach from the official, Jay I. Bratt, who leads the department’s counterintelligence operations, is the most concrete indication yet that investigators remain skeptical that Mr. Trump has been fully cooperative in their efforts to recover documents the former president was supposed to have turned over to the National Archives at the end of his term. It is not clear what steps the Justice Department might take to retrieve any material it thinks Mr. Trump still holds. And it is not known whether the Justice Department has gathered new evidence that Mr. Trump has held onto government material even after the court-authorized search in August of his private club and residence in Florida, Mar-a-Lago, and 18 months of previous efforts by the federal government to convince the former president to return what he had taken on leaving office. The Justice Department declined to comment. The outreach from the department prompted a rift among Mr. Trump’s lawyers about how to respond, with one camp counseling a cooperative approach that would include bringing in an outside firm to conduct a further search for documents and another advising Mr. Trump to maintain a more combative posture. The more combative camp, the people briefed on the matter said, won out. The government has found more than 300 classified documents in material that had been kept at Mar-a-Lago, including some marked as containing the most sensitive information that would cross the president’s desk. But the Justice Department has previously signaled doubts that Mr. Trump had turned over everything in his possession. Shortly after the search in August, it was revealed that federal investigators had found dozens of empty folders at Mar-a-Lago marked as containing classified information. The disclosure raised further questions about whether the Justice Department had indeed recovered all the classified materials that may have been taken out of the White House. The empty folders were found during the search of Mar-a-Lago along with 40 other empty folders that said they contained sensitive documents that should be returned “to staff secretary/military aide,” according to a court filing. Agents found the empty folders along with seven documents marked as “top secret” in Mr. Trump’s office. Investigators also found 11 more marked as “top secret” in a storage room. Rest of article here: Justice Dept. Is Said to Believe Trump Has More Documents
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 6, 2022 21:59:59 GMT -5
he just keeps digging himself deeper in, doesn't he?
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His' goose is cooked': Legal experts say new Trump bombshell is ‘aggravating factor’ that makes an indictment more likely
After The Washington Post published a new bombshell on Trump's Mar-a-Lago documents, legal experts said it would be more likely that the Department of Justice would indict Donald Trump. "A Trump employee has told federal agents about moving boxes of documents at Mar-a-Lago at the specific direction of the former president, according to people familiar with the investigation, who say the witness account — combined with security-camera footage — offers key evidence of Donald Trump’s behavior as investigators sought the return of classified material," the newspaper reported. "The witness description and footage described to The Washington Post offer the most direct account to date of Trump’s actions and instructions leading up to the FBI’s Aug. 8 search of the Florida residence and private club, in which agents were looking for evidence ofpotential crimes including obstruction, destruction of government records or mishandling classified information." Legal experts quickly weighed in on the reported development. Former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti noted in a Twitter thread, during the employee's first interview, he lied to the FBI, denying handling documents. His story changed during the second interview." "The employee is unlikely to be charged if he continues to cooperate. But his testimony suggests that Trump tried to keep documents from the DOJ, which had already served a grand jury subpoena for the documents *before* the employee was ordered to move them," Mariotti explained. "This testimony, combined with other facts (such as the false certification to the DOJ) suggests an effort to hide the documents from the federal government. This evidence is an aggravating factor that could weigh in favor of charging Trump." Former federal prosecutor Richard Signorelli agreed. "This increases the chance of Trump being indicted after the upcoming election unless [AG Merrick] Garland is dead set against it," Signorelli wrote. Former Pentagon special counsel Ryan Goodman thought it could also influence a future jury. "Astonishing level of evidence. That would convince jurors," he wrote. Rest of article here: His' goose is cooked': Legal experts say new Trump bombshell is ‘aggravating factor’ that makes an indictment more likely
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 13, 2022 19:19:28 GMT -5
Yep. A witness said after Trump got a subpoena from the DOJ about the documents, he had the witness move the boxes, and CCTV recorded it. Trump knew he had the documents, knew the DOJ wanted the documents, and had one of his minions move the documents to try to hide them. I’m not a lawyer, but pretty sure that’s obstruction of justice. Or as George Conway puts it, the fastest way to an orange jump suit for Trump is through the MAL documents obstruction case.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2022 19:54:54 GMT -5
i can imagine the moment he or she broke.
DOJ: "So, sir, you claim you weren't moving documents?" witness: "that is correct" DOJ: "Then do you mind explaining what you were doing in this video?" (plays video) witness: long silence DOJ: "Would you prefer to recant your previous statements, or would you like to consider the possibility of perjury?" witness: "I would like to speak to my attorney". DOJ: "By all means. Take all the time you like".
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Post by dondub on Oct 13, 2022 20:01:25 GMT -5
i can imagine the moment he or she broke. DOJ: "So, sir, you claim you weren't moving documents?" witness: "that is correct" DOJ: "Then do you mind explaining what you were doing in this video?" (plays video) witness: long silence DOJ: "Would you prefer to recant your previous statements, or would you like to consider the possibility of perjury?" witness: "I would like to speak to my attorney". DOJ: "By all means. Take all the time you like". 5th 5th 5th
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2022 20:15:08 GMT -5
fortunately, he seems to be singing like a bird.
this is how mobsters go down.
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U.S. Asks Court to End Special Master Review of Files Seized From TrumpThe Justice Department told an appeals court that a federal judge was wrong to intervene in its investigation into the former president’s hoarding of sensitive records. The Justice Department asked an appeals court on Friday to end a special master review of thousands of documents that the F.B.I. seized from former President Donald J. Trump’s Florida estate, arguing that a federal judge had been wrong to intervene in its investigation into Mr. Trump’s hoarding of sensitive government records. In a 53-page brief for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, in Atlanta, the Justice Department broadly challenged the legal legitimacy of orders last month by Judge Aileen M. Cannon, who blocked investigators from using the materials and appointed an independent arbiter to sift them for any that are potentially privileged or Mr. Trump’s personal property. The Justice Department already succeeded in persuading a panel of the Atlanta-based court to exempt about 100 documents marked classified from Judge Cannon’s move — a decision the Supreme Court declined to overturn this week. In its new filing, the Justice Department asked the appeals court to reverse her order for the remaining 11,000 or so records. Rest of article here: U.S. Asks Court to End Special Master Review of Files Seized From Trump
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 15, 2022 12:42:12 GMT -5
If true, funny. Trump Was Betrayed by His Diet Coke ValetDonald Trump could ultimately be done in by his Diet Coke habit. Not physically (though drinking 12 diet sodas a day doesn’t seem great for your health) but legally. The Washington Post reports that his former White House valet — the man who had to respond every time the president pressed his famous Oval Office Diet Coke button — provided key evidence that led to the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago in August. A Trump employee told federal agents the former president personally directed them to move boxes of documents from a Mar-a-Lago storage area to his private residence, according to the Post. Hours later, the New York Times said this was corroborated by surveillance footage that showed the aide moving boxes both before and after Trump’s advisers received a subpoena from the Justice Department in May for classified documents taken from the White House. Together, the witness account and the footage provided the most direct evidence that Trump tried to illegally obstruct the government’s search. The Post’s original report said the witness’s account was a “closely held secret” within the Justice Department and FBI because authorities were “concerned that if or when the witness’s identity eventually becomes public, that person could face harassment or threats from Trump supporters.” But on Friday, the paper identified him as Walt Nauta. Nauta, 39, served in the Navy and worked his way up from being a cook in the White House mess to performing a key duty in the Trump administration: ensuring that the president was properly caffeine and aspartame fueled at all times. Per the Post: Not long after Trump took office, Nauta left the mess to become one of Trump’s valets, spending some of his workday in a small passageway that connects the West Wing to a private dining room. From there, he had access to a small refrigerator stocked with Diet Cokes, which he brought to the president in the Oval Office when Trump pressed a call button on his desk, said a former White House staffer who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss activities inside the White House. Nauta frequently served as a kind of gofer, fetching any items the president might need throughout the day and tidying up the room, the former staffer said. When Trump left the Oval Office for the night, it was Nauta who brought his coat. Their daily proximity meant that the two developed a close professional relationship, and Trump “trusted him completely,” this person added. Nauta followed Trump to Mar-a-Lago at the end of his term, and campaign-finance records show he was on the payroll of Trump’s Save America PAC, making about $135,000 a year. It seems Trump’s trust wasn’t entirely misplaced; the Post reports that Nauta resisted betraying his boss at first but eventually changed his story: When FBI agents first interviewed Nauta, he denied any role in moving boxes or sensitive documents, the people familiar with the situation said in interviews before Nauta’s name became public. But as investigators gathered more evidence, they questioned him a second time and he told a starkly different story — that Trump instructed him to move the boxes, these people said. Nauta’s alleged disloyalty is a crushing blow not just for Trump but also for Downton Abbey fans, who were led to believe over six seasons and two movies that a valet is someone who will hand-wash unmentionables, happily accept their lower station in life, and never, ever tell their wealthy employer’s dark secrets. Trump Was Betrayed by His Diet Coke Valet
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