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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 28, 2022 13:30:49 GMT -5
yeah, people forget that he has already been nailed for this. when it turns out that Trump Co is ALSO a slush fund, what do you think they will do? Do they (Republicans) ever do anything, but make excuses for what he does, or deflect, to try and make someone else look worse? They sure don't seem to hold him accountable/responsible! Ever. You know, the only reason he did XYZ, is because ABC came into his office and sat on his couch, with their ankles crossed. If they hadn't sat that way, everything would have been fine. He never would have even considered spending money inappropriately. Everyone knows you shouldn't cross your ankles, in his presence! Jeez! So ridiculous! ‘Afraid of losing their power’: Judge decries GOP leaders who back Trump election claimsAt a sentencing of one of the Jan. 6 defendants, a federal judge says Republicans are afraid of contradicting Trump. A federal judge delivered a blistering rebuke of Republican Party leaders Tuesday for what she said was a cynical attempt to stoke false claims of election fraud of the kind that fueled the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson said former President Donald Trump had turned his lies about the election into a litmus test for Republican candidates and that “high-ranking members of Congress and state officials” are “so afraid of losing their power” that they won’t contradict him. That fealty, she said, comes even as law enforcement and judges involved in cases related to the former president are facing unprecedented threats of violence. It’s up to the judiciary, she added, to help draw the line against those dangers. “The judiciary … has to make it clear: It is not patriotism, it is not standing up for America to stand up for one man — who knows full well that he lost — instead of the Constitution he was trying to subvert,” said Jackson, who was appointed by former President Barack Obama. In addition, Jackson said, Trump and his allies are using rhetoric about the multiple criminal probes connected to Trump that contain dangerous undertones. “Some prominent figures in the Republican Party … are cagily predicting or even outright calling for violence in the streets if one of the multiple investigations doesn’t go his way,” Jackson said. The judge’s tough remarks came as she delivered a sentence to Jan. 6 defendant Kyle Young, who pleaded guilty to assaulting D.C. Police Officer Michael Fanone in some of the most brutal violence that occurred during the attack on the Capitol. Jackson sentenced Young to 86 months in prison, one of the stiffest sentences handed down, after describing his “enthusiastic” participation in the mob violence against Fanone, including by passing a taser to another rioter who used it on Fanone’s neck. Young, she noted, was accompanied amid the mob by his 16-year-old son. But her most notable comments were directed not at Young but at Trump and GOP leaders themselves, describing them repeatedly as so beholden to “one man” that it has become “heresy” for Republicans to contradict his claims of election fraud. She’s not the first federal judge to rebuke Trump in the context of Jan. 6 riot prosecutions. Judge Amit Mehta lamented that many of the low-level rioters were duped by powerful figures, including Trump, into marching on the Capitol, only to suffer criminal consequences as a result. Judge Reggie Walton called Trump a “charlatan” for his conduct related to the election. And a federal judge in California, David Carter, determined that Trump’s actions related to Jan. 6 likely amounted to a criminal conspiracy to subvert the election. But Jackson’s comments were the most stinging assessment not only of Trump but those in the upper echelons of elected GOP leadership who have echoed him. She also pushed back at claims by some Trump allies that Jan. 6 defendants had been targeted for political reasons. “You were not prosecuted for being a Trump supporter. You were not arrested or charged and you will not be sentenced for exercising your first amendment rights,” she said to Young. “You are not a political prisoner … You were trying to stop the singular thing that makes America America, the peaceful transfer of power. That’s what ‘Stop the Steal’ meant.” Jackson is no stranger to high-profile Trump-related matters. She oversaw the trial of longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone, who was charged and convicted of lying to lawmakers investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election. In that trial, she castigated Stone after an ally used his social media account to post an image of her that appeared inside crosshairs. Jackson also presided over one of the criminal cases against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who pleaded guilty to financial crimes but was later accused by prosecutors of lying during his cooperation agreement. ‘Afraid of losing their power’: Judge decries GOP leaders who back Trump election claims
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2022 13:39:18 GMT -5
edit: the voters failed us. the legislature failed us. our president failed us. it is pretty clear that the judiciary is the only guardrail we have.
if they fail us, we are fucked.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 28, 2022 14:48:32 GMT -5
yeah, people forget that he has already been nailed for this. when it turns out that Trump Co is ALSO a slush fund, what do you think they will do? They'll still kiss his ass and whine that it's a witch hunt. I saw a doctored poster for the film The Last Witch Hunter with Letitia James as the witch hunter. Wish I could remember where I saw it.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2022 14:57:12 GMT -5
edit: the voters failed us. the legislature failed us. our president failed us. it is pretty clear that the judiciary is the only guardrail we have. if they fail us, we are fucked. The voters failed us in 2016 but did reverse that failure in 2020. They have the opportunity to fail us again or perhaps not this November. I await that decision before I am ready to concede defeat in that arena.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2022 15:07:58 GMT -5
edit: the voters failed us. the legislature failed us. our president failed us. it is pretty clear that the judiciary is the only guardrail we have. if they fail us, we are fucked. The voters failed us in 2016 but did reverse that failure in 2020. They have the opportunity to fail us again or perhaps not this November. I await that decision before I am ready to concede defeat in that arena. yeah, and like the voters, many judges have life appointments. which is why i feel that we are fucked without the judiciary. NOTE: i have not conceded defeat. yet.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2022 15:17:53 GMT -5
The voters failed us in 2016 but did reverse that failure in 2020. They have the opportunity to fail us again or perhaps not this November. I await that decision before I am ready to concede defeat in that arena. yeah, and like the voters, many judges have life appointments. which is why i feel that we are fucked without the judiciary. NOTE: i have not conceded defeat. yet. The post I responded to indicated the judiciary was the "only" guardrail we had left. My response was targeted at that word. I still think the voters remain as a guardrail (pending the upcoming election).
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2022 15:54:44 GMT -5
yeah, and like the voters, many judges have life appointments. which is why i feel that we are fucked without the judiciary. NOTE: i have not conceded defeat. yet. The post I responded to indicated the judiciary was the "only" guardrail we had left. My response was targeted at that word. I still think the voters remain as a guardrail (pending the upcoming election). that guardrail burst, and a family of four is lying in the river at the bottom of the canyon. now, whether that guardrail has been replaced or not, that remains to be seen. on the next stormy night, we shall see. but it sure as hell is NOT there, now. in fact, we have one party actively making sure that it stays down. so, yeah. you say that. and this is a free country for you to say things. for now.
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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 28, 2022 16:00:36 GMT -5
edit: the voters failed us. the legislature failed us. our president failed us. it is pretty clear that the judiciary is the only guardrail we have. if they fail us, we are fucked.With tne current SC in place I posit that we already are (fucked that is)
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2022 16:15:20 GMT -5
The post I responded to indicated the judiciary was the "only" guardrail we had left. My response was targeted at that word. I still think the voters remain as a guardrail (pending the upcoming election). that guardrail burst, and a family of four is lying in the river at the bottom of the canyon. now, whether that guardrail has been replaced or not, that remains to be seen. on the next stormy night, we shall see. but it sure as hell is NOT there, now. in fact, we have one party actively making sure that it stays down. so, yeah. you say that. and this is a free country for you to say things. for now. That guardrail was back up in 2020. Until it is shown to be down by the results of the general election vote in November, I will not announce it down. I will contend that no party in this country is strong enough to determine whether the voter guardrail holds.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2022 16:22:31 GMT -5
that guardrail burst, and a family of four is lying in the river at the bottom of the canyon. now, whether that guardrail has been replaced or not, that remains to be seen. on the next stormy night, we shall see. but it sure as hell is NOT there, now. in fact, we have one party actively making sure that it stays down. so, yeah. you say that. and this is a free country for you to say things. for now. That guardrail was back up in 2020. Until it is shown to be down by the results of the general election vote in November, I will not announce it down. I will contend that no party in this country is strong enough to determine whether the voter guardrail holds. was it? i kind of forget, given the way things have gone since then. did the election take place before or after Jan 6th? i am forgetting. it is all kind of a fog now. maybe that was 2020. maybe you are right. huh. guess i am getting old.
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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 28, 2022 16:43:03 GMT -5
that guardrail burst, and a family of four is lying in the river at the bottom of the canyon. now, whether that guardrail has been replaced or not, that remains to be seen. on the next stormy night, we shall see. but it sure as hell is NOT there, now. in fact, we have one party actively making sure that it stays down. so, yeah. you say that. and this is a free country for you to say things. for now. That guardrail was back up in 2020. Until it is shown to be down by the results of the general election vote in November, I will not announce it down. I will contend that no party in this country is strong enough to determine whether the voter guardrail holds. If your "guardrail" is playing games with the electoral vote system I will agree with you. But unless every vote carries the same weight, independent of where you live, I don't think this guardrail exists at all. After all the loser won the first round by a landslide despite the fact that he LOST the popular vote. Gerrymandering by both parties has taken the guardrail down in many places. You may find some assurance in the existence of that guardrail but it is becoming more of an illusion with every passing day.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2022 16:52:02 GMT -5
That guardrail was back up in 2020. Until it is shown to be down by the results of the general election vote in November, I will not announce it down. I will contend that no party in this country is strong enough to determine whether the voter guardrail holds. was it? i kind of forget, given the way things have gone since then. did the election take place before or after Jan 6th? i am forgetting. it is all kind of a fog now. maybe that was 2020. maybe you are right. huh. guess i am getting old. What did the insurrection of January 6th have to do with the voters having their say?
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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 28, 2022 16:57:12 GMT -5
was it? i kind of forget, given the way things have gone since then. did the election take place before or after Jan 6th? i am forgetting. it is all kind of a fog now. maybe that was 2020. maybe you are right. huh. guess i am getting old. What did the insurrection of January 6th have to do with the voters having their say? I would say January 6 was the result of losers not accepting they lost.After all they did get their way in 2016 so it is just not fair it didn't work again. That said, this whole trump mess (in both election as violence was also threatened in 2016) has brought some very dark undercurrents in society to the surface.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2022 17:14:35 GMT -5
was it? i kind of forget, given the way things have gone since then. did the election take place before or after Jan 6th? i am forgetting. it is all kind of a fog now. maybe that was 2020. maybe you are right. huh. guess i am getting old. What did the insurrection of January 6th have to do with the voters having their say? nothing. thank you for conceding the point. a rogue government is still insisting they won the election, with the support of approximately 100 million Americans. and you seem to think everything is perfect. did they relocate Disneyland to New England?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2022 17:46:50 GMT -5
What did the insurrection of January 6th have to do with the voters having their say? I would say January 6 was the result of losers not accepting they lost.After all they did get their way in 2016 so it is just not fair it didn't work again. That said, this whole trump mess (in both election as violence was also threatened in 2016) has brought some very dark undercurrents in society to the surface. Those losers hit the voter guardrail.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2022 18:16:13 GMT -5
What did the insurrection of January 6th have to do with the voters having their say? nothing. thank you for conceding the point. a rogue government is still insisting they won the election, with the support of approximately 100 million Americans. and you seem to think everything is perfect. did they relocate Disneyland to New England? There is a rogue government operating in this country?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 29, 2022 8:34:49 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2022 12:07:44 GMT -5
nothing. thank you for conceding the point. a rogue government is still insisting they won the election, with the support of approximately 100 million Americans. and you seem to think everything is perfect. did they relocate Disneyland to New England? There is a rogue government operating in this country? no. what we have is arguably worse. a rogue NGO.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2022 12:09:23 GMT -5
bills- my point was that two of the three branches HAVE FAILED US IN THE RECENT PAST. if you were told that the parachute had a 50-50 chance of working, would you jump out of the plane, or take your chances bringing it down?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 29, 2022 13:16:57 GMT -5
bills- my point was that two of the three branches HAVE FAILED US IN THE RECENT PAST. if you were told that the parachute had a 50-50 chance of working, would you jump out of the plane, or take your chances bringing it down? I can not figure out a way that your analogy matches up with our current situation. However Who has told me the parachute is 50-50? Am I going to have to land the plane alone or with some assistance? What type of plane? Into what terrain? A small plane with radio assistance into an airport I would attempt to land. If I had a chance to fly a jet plane away from crashing into a urban area, I would do that. If I were the best hope for a crowded plane, I would attempt to land it. No risk to others I would jump.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2022 16:15:13 GMT -5
bills- my point was that two of the three branches HAVE FAILED US IN THE RECENT PAST. if you were told that the parachute had a 50-50 chance of working, would you jump out of the plane, or take your chances bringing it down? replies below I can not figure out a way that your analogy matches up with our current situation. However Who has told me the parachute is 50-50? everyone. the pilot. the other passengers. the manufacturer. i mean, if parachutes fail half the time, everyone knows.Am I going to have to land the plane alone or with some assistance? i have assumed that it was an emergency. if the pilot is dead, that is one matter. but i was not assuming that. more like an engine failure.What type of plane? Into what terrain? irrelevant to plane type, but only large planes have a cargo bay you can use for jumping. so, something large. hostile terrain. something that would diminish the odds of landing safely.A small plane with radio assistance into an airport I would attempt to land. If I had a chance to fly a jet plane away from crashing into a urban area, I would do that. If I were the best hope for a crowded plane, I would attempt to land it. No risk to others I would jump. see how you do with the idea in mind that landing is also a 50/50 proposition. edit: my entire point is that you are pointing to the parachute and saying "see, there is a parachute. it worked for the last guy". my response is "yeah, but it didn't work for the guy before that". the plane is actually kind of a side note, but i get your point. if there is no risk in landing the aircraft, the choice is obvious. i am trying to think what the plane is if the parachute is the electorate. maybe the government? if so, the odds of landing it are probably slightly higher, because we don't need the electorate to have a government. particularly under the GOP. we don't really even need elections. that is what they seem to think, anyway.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 29, 2022 16:21:20 GMT -5
replies below I can not figure out a way that your analogy matches up with our current situation. However Who has told me the parachute is 50-50? everyone. the pilot. the other passengers. the manufacturer. i mean, if parachutes fail half the time, everyone knows.Am I going to have to land the plane alone or with some assistance? i have assumed that it was an emergency. if the pilot is dead, that is one matter. but i was not assuming that. more like an engine failure.What type of plane? Into what terrain? irrelevant to plane type, but only large planes have a cargo bay you can use for jumping. so, something large. hostile terrain. something that would diminish the odds of landing safely.A small plane with radio assistance into an airport I would attempt to land. If I had a chance to fly a jet plane away from crashing into a urban area, I would do that. If I were the best hope for a crowded plane, I would attempt to land it. No risk to others I would jump. see how you do with the idea in mind that landing is also a 50/50 proposition. edit: my entire point is that you are pointing to the parachute and saying "see, there is a parachute. it worked for the last guy". my response is "yeah, but it didn't work for the guy before that". the plane is actually kind of a side note, but i get your point. if there is no risk in landing the aircraft, the choice is obvious. i am trying to think what the plane is if the parachute is the electorate. maybe the government? if so, the odds of landing it are probably slightly higher, because we don't need the electorate to have a government. particularly under the GOP. we don't really even need elections. that is what they seem to think, anyway. All of my jumps have been from small planes. More later.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2022 16:29:10 GMT -5
see how you do with the idea in mind that landing is also a 50/50 proposition. edit: my entire point is that you are pointing to the parachute and saying "see, there is a parachute. it worked for the last guy". my response is "yeah, but it didn't work for the guy before that". the plane is actually kind of a side note, but i get your point. if there is no risk in landing the aircraft, the choice is obvious. i am trying to think what the plane is if the parachute is the electorate. maybe the government? if so, the odds of landing it are probably slightly higher, because we don't need the electorate to have a government. particularly under the GOP. we don't really even need elections. that is what they seem to think, anyway. All of my jumps have been from small planes. More later. your "small plane" is different than mine. my "small plane" is a two or four seater, with two side doors. there is no fucking way you could ever jump out of that safely. it would literally kill you and possibly the pilot, as well.
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All of my jumps have been from small planes. More later. your "small plane" is different than mine. my "small plane" is a two or four seater, with two side doors. there is no fucking way you could ever jump out of that safely. it would literally kill you and possibly the pilot, as well. You mean a four seater like this one? I have parachuted from similar 7 times in my life. Oklahoma Skydiving Center maintains 2 Cessna 182 aircraft. The Cessna 182 is considered the skydiving workhorse of the industry and is used by dropzones around the world. The Cessna 182 has a seating capacity of 4 people. link
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your "small plane" is different than mine. my "small plane" is a two or four seater, with two side doors. there is no fucking way you could ever jump out of that safely. it would literally kill you and possibly the pilot, as well. You mean a four seater like this one? I have parachuted from similar 7 times in my life. Oklahoma Skydiving Center maintains 2 Cessna 182 aircraft. The Cessna 182 is considered the skydiving workhorse of the industry and is used by dropzones around the world. The Cessna 182 has a seating capacity of 4 people. linkI always figured there was something wrong with you. I mean, really, how could there NOT be something wrong with someone who would jump out of a perfectly good airplane? And doing it more than once?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 29, 2022 18:27:44 GMT -5
replies below I can not figure out a way that your analogy matches up with our current situation. However Who has told me the parachute is 50-50? everyone. the pilot. the other passengers. the manufacturer. i mean, if parachutes fail half the time, everyone knows.Am I going to have to land the plane alone or with some assistance? i have assumed that it was an emergency. if the pilot is dead, that is one matter. but i was not assuming that. more like an engine failure.What type of plane? Into what terrain? irrelevant to plane type, but only large planes have a cargo bay you can use for jumping. so, something large. hostile terrain. something that would diminish the odds of landing safely.A small plane with radio assistance into an airport I would attempt to land. If I had a chance to fly a jet plane away from crashing into a urban area, I would do that. If I were the best hope for a crowded plane, I would attempt to land it. No risk to others I would jump. see how you do with the idea in mind that landing is also a 50/50 proposition. edit: my entire point is that you are pointing to the parachute and saying "see, there is a parachute. it worked for the last guy". my response is "yeah, but it didn't work for the guy before that". the plane is actually kind of a side note, but i get your point. if there is no risk in landing the aircraft, the choice is obvious. i am trying to think what the plane is if the parachute is the electorate. maybe the government? if so, the odds of landing it are probably slightly higher, because we don't need the electorate to have a government. particularly under the GOP. we don't really even need elections. that is what they seem to think, anyway. So is your 50-50 on the parachute's effectiveness is based on the past two presidential elections? I am viewing a larger sample.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2022 18:42:38 GMT -5
your "small plane" is different than mine. my "small plane" is a two or four seater, with two side doors. there is no fucking way you could ever jump out of that safely. it would literally kill you and possibly the pilot, as well. You mean a four seater like this one? I have parachuted from similar 7 times in my life. Oklahoma Skydiving Center maintains 2 Cessna 182 aircraft. The Cessna 182 is considered the skydiving workhorse of the industry and is used by dropzones around the world. The Cessna 182 has a seating capacity of 4 people. linkno way. i would never have guessed that. did they remove the door? i am familiar with the seating capacity, range, cruse velocity, weight and balance, and all of the controls on a C182. i am a private pilot, bills. i have never thought of it as suitable to this use. thanks for teaching me something new.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2022 18:44:50 GMT -5
see how you do with the idea in mind that landing is also a 50/50 proposition. edit: my entire point is that you are pointing to the parachute and saying "see, there is a parachute. it worked for the last guy". my response is "yeah, but it didn't work for the guy before that". the plane is actually kind of a side note, but i get your point. if there is no risk in landing the aircraft, the choice is obvious. i am trying to think what the plane is if the parachute is the electorate. maybe the government? if so, the odds of landing it are probably slightly higher, because we don't need the electorate to have a government. particularly under the GOP. we don't really even need elections. that is what they seem to think, anyway. So is your 50-50 on the parachute's effectiveness is based on the past two presidential elections? I am viewing a larger sample. i would say that we have about a 0% chance of having a normal election in 2024, if Trump is the candidate. and there is nothing that indicates he won't be. so, yeah. 50% is generous. but i knew that you would hate 1%, so........
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 29, 2022 19:03:04 GMT -5
You mean a four seater like this one? I have parachuted from similar 7 times in my life. Oklahoma Skydiving Center maintains 2 Cessna 182 aircraft. The Cessna 182 is considered the skydiving workhorse of the industry and is used by dropzones around the world. The Cessna 182 has a seating capacity of 4 people. linkI always figured there was something wrong with you. I mean, really, how could there NOT be something wrong with someone who would jump out of a perfectly good airplane? And doing it more than once? yes, there is something wrong with me.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 29, 2022 19:09:49 GMT -5
You mean a four seater like this one? I have parachuted from similar 7 times in my life. Oklahoma Skydiving Center maintains 2 Cessna 182 aircraft. The Cessna 182 is considered the skydiving workhorse of the industry and is used by dropzones around the world. The Cessna 182 has a seating capacity of 4 people. linkno way. i would never have guessed that. did they remove the door? i am familiar with the seating capacity, range, cruse velocity, weight and balance, and all of the controls on a C182. i am a private pilot, bills. i have never thought of it as suitable to this use. thanks for teaching me something new. door swings up. You can see it in the picture. When I did static line and my one free fall jump, I sat in the door, grabbed the strut(?) under the wing, worked hands up and out until hanging, then let go.
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