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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2022 20:45:56 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to be donald's day, does it. DOJ can resume criminal probe of classified documents from Mar-a-Lago, appeals court saysA federal appeals court is allowing the Justice Department to continue looking at documents marked as classified that were seized from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home and resort. The emergency intervention upends a trial judge’s order over those documents that had blocked federal investigators’ work on the documents, and is a strong rebuke of the Trump team’s attempt to suggest without evidence that materials were somehow declassified. Trump’s options to block the criminal investigation are now dimming with one of his only remaining possibilities being an emergency request to the Supreme Court. The ruling was issued by a three-judge panel of the 11th US Circuit Court of Appeals – two of whom were nominated by Trump. A special master’s review of that subset of about 100 records, which would’ve allowed Trump’s legal team to see them, is now partially stopped. The special master, Judge Raymond Dearie, is able to continue his work reviewing the rest of the material seized from Mar-a-Lago, to make sure records belonging to Trump or that he may be able to claim are confidential aren’t used by investigators. Those records – which prosecutors have said contain highly sensitive national security information – are at the heart of the criminal investigation into the mishandling of federal records after the Trump presidency. Concern over them was a major factor that prompted the Justice Department and a court to authorize the unprecedented search of the former President’s home. Altogether, the 29-page opinion was a major boost to the arguments the Justice Department has made throughout the dispute over the Mar-a-Lago documents, while undermining several claims that Trump had made about the materials the FBI seized. "It is self-evident that the public has a strong interest in ensuring that the storage of the classified records did not result in ‘exceptionally grave damage to the national security,’” the three-judge panel stated. “Ascertaining that necessarily involves reviewing the documents, determining who had access to them and when, and deciding which (if any) sources or methods are compromised.” Throughout the litigation, Trump’s lawyers have raised vague questions about whether the materials are in fact classified. But they have not straightforwardly asserted in court that the former President declassified them, even as Trump himself has claimed outside of court that he did. Court rebukes Trump on declassified claimsWednesday night, the appeals court panel called Trump’s legal team out. “Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President,” the court wrote. “But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified. And before the special master, Plaintiff resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents.” Trump’s lawyers had also sought to put off making any specific disclosures about whether the documents had been declassified while the special master initially reviews the materials. The appeals court included an extensive takedown of the logic US District Judge Aileen Cannon put forward for ordering the special master review and for denying the DOJ’s request that the classified documents be exempted from it. The panel dissected the rationale Cannon had presented to justify her intervention, saying she had put forward an “untenable” approach for letting an intelligence community assessment of the documents continue while the criminal probe into them was on pause. The government had “sufficiently explained how and why its national security review is inextricably intertwined with its criminal investigation” – a claim that Cannon had dismissed. “The records’ classification markings establish that they are government records and that responsible officials previously determined that their unauthorized disclosure would cause damage – including ‘exceptionally grave damage’ – to the Nation’s security,” the prosecutors had told the 11th Circuit in a Tuesday night filing. The Justice Department had asked for the 11th Circuit’s intervention in the Mar-a-Lago documents dispute after Trump successfully sued to obtain the appointment of a special master – an independent attorney – to pour through the roughly 11,000 documents the FBI had obtained in its search. Cannon previously declined a Justice Department request that she pause the parts of her order that applied to the 100 documents identified as classified. None of the three criminal statutes the FBI cited when it obtained the Mar-a-Lago search warrant hinge on the materials being classified, DOJ argued. Two Trump nomineesThe three-judge panel that issued the unanimous ruling Thursday is made up of three judges, two of whom were appointed by Trump. Judges Britt Grant and Andrew Brasher were appointed by Trump in 2018 and 2020 respectively, while Judge Robin Rosenbaum was appointed by President Barack Obama in 2014. Before serving on the 11th Circuit, Grant – who was confirmed 52-46 in the Senate – was a Supreme Court justice for the state of Georgia and served as the state’s solicitor general from 2015 to 2016. Brasher served as a district court judge in the middle district of Alabama before being appointed by Trump and was confirmed with vote of 52-43. Rosenbaum was confirmed on a 91-0 vote in the Senate and served as a District Court judge in the Southern District of Florida before being appointed to the 11th Circuit. Worries about national securityIn seeking to restart its criminal investigation into the documents, the Justice Department argued that Cannon’s order was hindering investigators from taking steps to assess and mitigate national security risks posed by how the documents were handled. Cannon said that a national security assessment of the materials being conducted by the intelligence community could proceed. However, the Justice Department argued that that assessment could not be decoupled from the criminal investigation. The appellate judges found that the federal government and national security could be harmed by the pause in its investigation, and Trump’s team didn’t have good enough reason to review potentially classified records. The court also didn’t dispute the Justice Department saying it couldn’t divorce the intelligence review of the documents from its criminal investigation. “An injunction delaying (or perhaps preventing) the United States’ criminal investigation from using classified materials risks imposing real and significant harm on the United States and the public,” the court wrote. “Courts should order review of such materials in only the most extraordinary circumstances. The record does not allow for the conclusion that this is such a circumstance,” the ruling added. Not Trump’s recordsThe 11th Circuit resoundingly rejected Trump’s arguments that he may have an interest in classified records that could keep them from federal criminal investigators. Trump “does not have a possessory interest in the documents at issue, so he does not suffer a cognizable harm if the United States reviews documents he neither owns nor has a personal interest in. Second, we find unpersuasive Plaintiff’s insistence that he would be harmed by a criminal investigation,” they wrote. “Because of the nature of the classified materials at issue here and based on the record, we have no reason to expect that the United States’ use of these records imposes the risk of disclosure to the United States of Plaintiff’s privileged information,” they wrote. DOJ can resume criminal probe of classified documents from Mar-a-Lago, appeals court says
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2022 21:46:06 GMT -5
possessory interest yes that is it. he has no fucking reason to have those documents. period. it actually doesn't matter if he declassified them. he still has no interest in them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 22, 2022 10:21:58 GMT -5
I'm thinking Trump should be in prison. Just like Trump simply thinking about declassifying documents makes them declassified.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2022 10:49:42 GMT -5
as many have pointed out, it doesn't matter if he declassified the documents. he has no reason to have them, and they are not his.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 22, 2022 16:13:27 GMT -5
Read this morning that there is an Oct 6 deadline. I am guessing that despite being ordered that Trump pay, Dearie is assuming he will get stiffed too. Another thing on this: Dearie is a 78 year old semi-retired federal judge involved in a case of historical significance. I can't imagine he is focusing on the getting paid issue at all. Dearie said he won’t seek any additional compensation for serving as the special master because he’s currently on the US government payroll as a federal judge. www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/politics/mar-a-lago-special-master-trump-fbi-planting-evidence/index.html
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 22, 2022 18:10:20 GMT -5
I never knew I could telepathically get people arrested. Writing down my list of folks I will think of to get arrested.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2022 19:15:00 GMT -5
so, despite Trumps best efforts, the judiciary is still functioning. the executive branch is also functioning. that leaves ONLY the legislature that is really not functioning at this point.
and November 8th is barely six weeks away.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 22, 2022 19:27:12 GMT -5
We are getting to the point where trump's multiple alleged crimes deserve their own threads.
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Post by Opti on Sept 22, 2022 19:56:18 GMT -5
Trump added, “And a lot of people said the only thing that would give the kind of severity that they showed by actually coming in and raiding with many, many people, is the Hillary Clinton deal.” For the record, I couldn’t help but love the former president’s insistence that there’s “a lot of speculation” about the FBI seeking Clinton emails at Mar-a-Lago. That's plainly false. What we instead have is a former president who keeps bringing it up, despite the obvious fact that it’s stark raving mad. If I tell a bunch of people that I might be the starting quarterback for the Miami Dolphins this weekend, I don’t get to then say, “There’s a lot of speculation that I’ll be leading the team on Sunday.” There is no such speculation. There’s just me peddling absurd claims about my athletic prowess.www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maddow-blog-why-trump-s-latest-rhetoric-about-clinton-emails-is-so-weird/ar-AA1281ND?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0d3388c328e945db8e6cba31145fa7a5Does this mean Trump is acknowledging he isn't that slim anymore. Pretending you are a lot of people instead the usual "some people said" must mean he's losing it in multiple ways. I guess he refuses to hear a lot of people think his potential crimes with classified info is so much worse than Hillary receiving confidential emails. Some of us think perhaps they gave you way too much time to do the right thing.
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 22, 2022 20:13:31 GMT -5
I would so very much like to see him put in prison, with the general population, the way any other "normal" person would be. He's done so many things wrong and lied so often, yet he keeps getting away with everything. I'm so tired of him.
Does anyone know what product he uses to get his orange glow? I seriously want to know (so I don't use it!). Funny, no one (product) claims to be used by the POTUS. If it looked good, I bet they would. Orange skin and yellow hair. Perfect for Halloween.
I wish he would go away. Far, far away.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2022 20:44:51 GMT -5
hes a fucking crook. he THINKS he has bent the law without breaking it.
so far, he has been mostly right.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 22, 2022 20:47:25 GMT -5
I would so very much like to see him put in prison, with the general population, the way any other "normal" person would be. He's done so many things wrong and lied so often, yet he keeps getting away with everything. I'm so tired of him. Does anyone know what product he uses to get his orange glow? I seriously want to know (so I don't use it!). Funny, no one (product) claims to be used by the POTUS. If it looked good, I bet they would. Orange skin and yellow hair. Perfect for Halloween. I wish he would go away. Far, far away. Can be bought on Amazon. Glow In The Dark Paint - Premium Artist's Acrylic
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 22, 2022 21:27:19 GMT -5
I would so very much like to see him put in prison, with the general population, the way any other "normal" person would be. He's done so many things wrong and lied so often, yet he keeps getting away with everything. I'm so tired of him. Does anyone know what product he uses to get his orange glow? I seriously want to know (so I don't use it!). Funny, no one (product) claims to be used by the POTUS. If it looked good, I bet they would. Orange skin and yellow hair. Perfect for Halloween. I wish he would go away. Far, far away. Can be bought on Amazon. Glow In The Dark Paint - Premium Artist's Acrylic Bwahaha 🤣 I wonder how often he has to apply it? I used to have a landlord who drank so much he had major liver problems. When he hadn't been drinking, his hair was white. After a night of drinking, the next day his hair (all of it) was 100% bright yellow!
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Post by busymom on Sept 22, 2022 21:37:16 GMT -5
Can be bought on Amazon. Glow In The Dark Paint - Premium Artist's Acrylic Bwahaha 🤣 I wonder how often he has to apply it? I used to have a landlord who drank so much he had major liver problems. When he hadn't been drinking, his hair was white. After a night of drinking, the next day his hair (all of it) was 100% bright yellow! Are you sure he wasn't passing out where he'd peed last?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2022 21:54:56 GMT -5
the Clinton email thing made no sense. to me it is a sign he is running out of things to talk about. so he is going back to his old favourites. but again, this one made no sense.
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 22, 2022 22:02:12 GMT -5
Bwahaha 🤣 I wonder how often he has to apply it? I used to have a landlord who drank so much he had major liver problems. When he hadn't been drinking, his hair was white. After a night of drinking, the next day his hair (all of it) was 100% bright yellow! Are you sure he wasn't passing out where he'd peed last? I'm not sure of anything, except that he drank a LOT. And he was a slum lord, who didn't have insurance on his rental unit, when I slipped on the ice and ruptured an implant, because he didn't shovel the snow. When he found out I was moving, he begged me to stay. He was a jerk.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 23, 2022 6:52:48 GMT -5
Trump added, “And a lot of people said the only thing that would give the kind of severity that they showed by actually coming in and raiding with many, many people, is the Hillary Clinton deal.” For the record, I couldn’t help but love the former president’s insistence that there’s “a lot of speculation” about the FBI seeking Clinton emails at Mar-a-Lago. That's plainly false. What we instead have is a former president who keeps bringing it up, despite the obvious fact that it’s stark raving mad. If I tell a bunch of people that I might be the starting quarterback for the Miami Dolphins this weekend, I don’t get to then say, “There’s a lot of speculation that I’ll be leading the team on Sunday.” There is no such speculation. There’s just me peddling absurd claims about my athletic prowess.www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maddow-blog-why-trump-s-latest-rhetoric-about-clinton-emails-is-so-weird/ar-AA1281ND?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0d3388c328e945db8e6cba31145fa7a5Does this mean Trump is acknowledging he isn't that slim anymore. Pretending you are a lot of people instead the usual "some people said" must mean he's losing it in multiple ways. I guess he refuses to hear a lot of people think his potential crimes with classified info is so much worse than Hillary receiving confidential emails. Some of us think perhaps they gave you way too much time to do the right thing. Usually I can understand why Trump is pushing a particular lie, but this one is totally confusing. If he had those missing emails, why would he sit on them? Wouldn’t he want to give them to the DOJ to help prosecute Clinton? Or is he claiming someone snuck them in there? Why? So they could be found later by the FBI? He’s flailing about like a drowning man. Calling on the MAGA top villain to try to distract the minions. Next he’ll hire someone to punch him in the face so he can scream he was attacked by crazed liberals or brown people from shit hole countries. Anything to keep his minions loyal.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2022 11:16:29 GMT -5
i think Hannity was joking, and Trump took it seriously.
he has no sense of humor.
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2022 19:23:06 GMT -5
Trump added, “And a lot of people said the only thing that would give the kind of severity that they showed by actually coming in and raiding with many, many people, is the Hillary Clinton deal.” For the record, I couldn’t help but love the former president’s insistence that there’s “a lot of speculation” about the FBI seeking Clinton emails at Mar-a-Lago. That's plainly false. What we instead have is a former president who keeps bringing it up, despite the obvious fact that it’s stark raving mad. If I tell a bunch of people that I might be the starting quarterback for the Miami Dolphins this weekend, I don’t get to then say, “There’s a lot of speculation that I’ll be leading the team on Sunday.” There is no such speculation. There’s just me peddling absurd claims about my athletic prowess.www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maddow-blog-why-trump-s-latest-rhetoric-about-clinton-emails-is-so-weird/ar-AA1281ND?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0d3388c328e945db8e6cba31145fa7a5Does this mean Trump is acknowledging he isn't that slim anymore. Pretending you are a lot of people instead the usual "some people said" must mean he's losing it in multiple ways. I guess he refuses to hear a lot of people think his potential crimes with classified info is so much worse than Hillary receiving confidential emails. Some of us think perhaps they gave you way too much time to do the right thing. Usually I can understand why Trump is pushing a particular lie, but this one is totally confusing. If he had those missing emails, why would he sit on them? Wouldn’t he want to give them to the DOJ to help prosecute Clinton? Or is he claiming someone snuck them in there? Why? So they could be found later by the FBI? He’s flailing about like a drowning man. Calling on the MAGA top villain to try to distract the minions. Next he’ll hire someone to punch him in the face so he can scream he was attacked by crazed liberals or brown people from shit hole countries. Anything to keep his minions loyal. Probably because he and his followers choose to think Hillary is worse than he is. Of course, the emails she received were nowhere near the amount of classified Trump has, but Hillary plus emails used to be a huge crowd pleaser in 2016.
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 23, 2022 23:38:28 GMT -5
Such desperation. He's pitiful.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 26, 2022 17:57:21 GMT -5
Mar-A-Lago Case Special Master Asks Trump To Pay $500 Hourly Fee To His Assistant Or Face Court SanctionRaymond Dearie, the special master appointed by District Court Judge Aileen Cannon in the Mar-a-Lago case, called for external assistance to review over 11,000 documents recovered from former U.S. President Donald Trump’s Florida residence, court filings done on Thursday showed. What Happened: Dearie enlisted the support of James Orenstein, a former magistrate judge for the Eastern District of New York. He said the retired judge has experience with complex case management, privilege review, warrant procedures and other matters. While noting that he himself will not seek additional compensation for performing the special master duties, Dearie proposed that Orenstein be paid at an hourly rate of $500. He also said monthly invoices will be sent to the parties, starting Oct. 1, detailing the hours worked and expenses to be reimbursed. “Failure to make timely payment will be deemed a violation of the Special Master’s order subject to sanction,” Dearie said in the filing. Mar-A-Lago Case Special Master Asks Trump To Pay $500 Hourly Fee To His Assistant Or Face Court Sanction
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 26, 2022 18:11:07 GMT -5
i have never heard of Trump paying a bill.
i mean, i assume he does.
i just have never heard of it.
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 27, 2022 21:11:37 GMT -5
i have never heard of Trump paying a bill. i mean, i assume he does. i just have never heard of it. I've only heard of him not paying his bills.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 27, 2022 21:37:17 GMT -5
i have never heard of Trump paying a bill. i mean, i assume he does. i just have never heard of it. I've only heard of him not paying his bills. He even dipped into his 'charity' money to pay a $7 bill for Barron's boy scout fee.
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 27, 2022 22:36:28 GMT -5
I've only heard of him not paying his bills. He even dipped into his 'charity' money to pay a $7 bill for Barron's boy scout fee. OMG, he's dreadful.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 28, 2022 8:31:05 GMT -5
He even dipped into his 'charity' money to pay a $7 bill for Barron's boy scout fee. OMG, he's dreadful. Oh yes, the infamous charity slush fund. When he got sued for having a flag that was too big in front of his properties charity dollars paid for it. When he went to charity auctions for other groups he made a big show of spending a lot of money for jerseys or paintings that ended up decorating his clubs and resorts - using other people’s charity donations. There’s a reason Letitia Jones shut it down. Let’s hope she’s able to also shut down Trump Inc.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2022 11:19:10 GMT -5
yeah, people forget that he has already been nailed for this. when it turns out that Trump Co is ALSO a slush fund, what do you think they will do?
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 28, 2022 12:07:33 GMT -5
yeah, people forget that he has already been nailed for this. when it turns out that Trump Co is ALSO a slush fund, what do you think they will do? Do they (Republicans) ever do anything, but make excuses for what he does, or deflect, to try and make someone else look worse? They sure don't seem to hold him accountable/responsible! Ever. You know, the only reason he did XYZ, is because ABC came into his office and sat on his couch, with their ankles crossed. If they hadn't sat that way, everything would have been fine. He never would have even considered spending money inappropriately. Everyone knows you shouldn't cross your ankles, in his presence! Jeez! So ridiculous!
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 28, 2022 12:30:19 GMT -5
yeah, people forget that he has already been nailed for this. when it turns out that Trump Co is ALSO a slush fund, what do you think they will do? They'll still kiss his ass and whine that it's a witch hunt.
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