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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Jun 26, 2022 14:25:44 GMT -5
This makes no sense. Why would you fly to Canada at a greater expense than one of the blue states? Most of the northern states that border Canada have abortion access, other than ID and MT. It is easier to go to WA because of that pesky passport issue. For now. In any case, why would they fly? It's a few hours' drive. I used to drive to NYC all the time. It's only 372 miles away. Vermont is only 107 miles away. The blue states aren't going to just flip their position because of this. In my state its protected by our state constitution. |
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Post by resolution on Jun 26, 2022 14:30:14 GMT -5
For now. In any case, why would they fly? It's a few hours' drive. I used to drive to NYC all the time. It's only 372 miles away. Vermont is only 107 miles away. The blue states aren't going to just flip their position because of this. In my state its protected by our state constitution. When the republicans get enough members in the house and senate, they will ban it nationally. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 26, 2022 14:40:06 GMT -5
For now. In any case, why would they fly? It's a few hours' drive. I used to drive to NYC all the time. It's only 372 miles away. Vermont is only 107 miles away. The blue states aren't going to just flip their position because of this. In my state its protected by our state constitution. At one point, abortion was legal in ALL states. ....and yet, here we are. If enough Talibangelists get voted in, say goodbye to abortion AND birth control. They're already talking about it. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 26, 2022 15:06:49 GMT -5
This makes no sense. Why would you fly to Canada at a greater expense than one of the blue states? Most of the northern states that border Canada have abortion access, other than ID and MT. It is easier to go to WA because of that pesky passport issue. For now. In any case, why would they fly? It's a few hours' drive. I used to drive to NYC all the time. It's only 372 miles away. Vermont is only 107 miles away. It is more money to fly into Canada than it is the US, and you need a passport. I live 20 miles from the Canadian border, I visit all the time and we STILL prefer to fly out of Seattle rather than Vancouver. It is a longer drive to SEA and you have the border hassle and airport hassle. For us, there needs to be about a $500 price differential for flights to make a difference, and we very rarely find that. Since all the NE states are blue, going to NYC for an abortion makes no sense from VT. A better example would be MT or ND, and it likely makes more sense to go to Minnesota or WA than Alberta. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 26, 2022 17:33:50 GMT -5
I was watching our local news yesterday, and they said Canada will have to strictly limit the number of women who will come to Canada for an abortion. We're short of doctors and nurses as it is, and can't spare them to work in border clinics to provide abortion services to thousands and thousands of Americans. Evidently, it will be at the expense of Canadians waiting for various surgeries. There is still a backlog due to Covid, when a lot of medical staff quit due to overwork and burnout. other than in Alberta, i don't think you are going to see much of it. it is generally easier to get one in the US, for now. the worst will be in the Deep South. i don't know what they are going to do down there. Dominican Republic? Haiti? A local women's health provider here in the Memphis area is opening a facility in Carbondale, IL which will offer abortions. Carbondale is a three hour drive from Memphis. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 18:18:01 GMT -5
I just made the mistake of looking at the FB page of someone I've known for several decades but do not follow for many reasons. She's quoting Christian scripture to celebrate the Supreme Court decision on Roe V Wade. I wouldn't have a problem of her expressing her personal opinion on her personal page if I hadn't listened to her bragging for 30 years about her many MARRIED boyfriends. I seem to remember a few scriptural passages on that?
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Post by busymom on Jun 26, 2022 18:37:22 GMT -5
While Minnesota is a safe haven for the moment, the GOP candidate running for governor has been said to want to eliminate legal abortions, no exceptions. If he wins, even though it's in the state constitution, I don't know how long abortions there will stay legal. At this point, I'm looking at worst case scenarios everywhere, as I don't believe the GOP is done trying to pull our country back in time a couple of hundred years. |
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 26, 2022 18:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 26, 2022 19:14:45 GMT -5
I saw this a little while ago, and felt like I took a kick to the gut. I'm about to vocalize something that 99% of the people in my life don't actually know about me. this is exactly what it feels like to be sitting in that lobby, waiting to be seen. and I live in a state where this right was never in question. I can't imagine being 18 in a state that saw me solely as an incubator. I often wonder how different my life would be if that choice had been off the table. and I'm fully committed to helping anyone else wanting to choose her own life first, to get there. Attachments:
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Post by busymom on Jun 26, 2022 20:20:55 GMT -5
Thanks Tennesseer! Unfortunately, I can't access the New York Times article, but if you could post a couple of important paragraphs, that would be great.  |
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Post by raeoflyte on Jun 26, 2022 20:57:27 GMT -5
While Minnesota is a safe haven for the moment, the GOP candidate running for governor has been said to want to eliminate legal abortions, no exceptions. If he wins, even though it's in the state constitution, I don't know how long abortions there will stay legal. At this point, I'm looking at worst case scenarios everywhere, as I don't believe the GOP is done trying to pull our country back in time a couple of hundred years. Thus is definitely my concern. My city is very blue. Enough to make the state blue even though we have a lot of rural red areas too. I never thought we'd get here. But since we have how is anything else safe. |
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Post by busymom on Jun 26, 2022 21:44:51 GMT -5
Well, crud! I was reading online about laws in Costa Rica, and it turns out abortion is apparently illegal there, too. They don't even allow exceptions for rape or incest. Only if the mother's life is in danger.
They're off my list. Any place that isn't safe for my family just won't do for me.
The one thing they have that I do like, is their medical system is better than in the USA.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Jun 26, 2022 21:57:18 GMT -5
I was watching our local news yesterday, and they said Canada will have to strictly limit the number of women who will come to Canada for an abortion. We're short of doctors and nurses as it is, and can't spare them to work in border clinics to provide abortion services to thousands and thousands of Americans. Evidently, it will be at the expense of Canadians waiting for various surgeries. There is still a backlog due to Covid, when a lot of medical staff quit due to overwork and burnout. They are going to get my DD1 and DSIL for doctors in a couple of years! They are doing residency in a trigger state and cried when they told me how their hands were tied and how their patients would suffer. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2022 1:33:43 GMT -5
Quebec touches on New York, Vermont, Maine and New Hampsire. New Jersey, Conneticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts are a hop, skip and jump away. all blue states. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2022 1:34:23 GMT -5
The blue states aren't going to just flip their position because of this. In my state its protected by our state constitution. When the republicans get enough members in the house and senate, they will ban it nationally. and that ban will be challenged. this is a long battle, res |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2022 1:35:52 GMT -5
The blue states aren't going to just flip their position because of this. In my state its protected by our state constitution. At one point, abortion was legal in ALL states. ....and yet, here we are. If enough Talibangelists get voted in, say goodbye to abortion AND birth control. They're already talking about it. looking at the long arc of history, it has been legal about 20% of the time in the US. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2022 1:37:21 GMT -5
I just made the mistake of looking at the FB page of someone I've known for several decades but do not follow for many reasons. She's quoting Christian scripture to celebrate the Supreme Court decision on Roe V Wade. I wouldn't have a problem of her expressing her personal opinion on her personal page if I hadn't listened to her bragging for 30 years about her many MARRIED boyfriends. I seem to remember a few scriptural passages on that? there are dozens of admonition against adultery and divorce. there are basically zero against homosexuality and abortion. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2022 1:40:21 GMT -5
other than in Alberta, i don't think you are going to see much of it. it is generally easier to get one in the US, for now. the worst will be in the Deep South. i don't know what they are going to do down there. Dominican Republic? Haiti? A local women's health provider here in the Memphis area is opening a facility in Carbondale, IL which will offer abortions. Carbondale is a three hour drive from Memphis. exactly. also 3 hours from Nashville. the blue states will double down. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2022 1:45:19 GMT -5
Well, crud! I was reading online about laws in Costa Rica, and it turns out abortion is apparently illegal there, too. They don't even allow exceptions for rape or incest. Only if the mother's life is in danger.They're off my list. Any place that isn't safe for my family just won't do for me. The one thing they have that I do like, is their medical system is better than in the USA. i think that is incorrect. according to this website, abortions are allowed for "health reasons". it is the third most lenient cateogry: reproductiverights.org/maps/worlds-abortion-laws/?country=CRI |
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 27, 2022 2:02:37 GMT -5
I was watching our local news yesterday, and they said Canada will have to strictly limit the number of women who will come to Canada for an abortion. We're short of doctors and nurses as it is, and can't spare them to work in border clinics to provide abortion services to thousands and thousands of Americans. Evidently, it will be at the expense of Canadians waiting for various surgeries. There is still a backlog due to Covid, when a lot of medical staff quit due to overwork and burnout. They are going to get my DD1 and DSIL for doctors in a couple of years! They are doing residency in a trigger state and cried when they told me how their hands were tied and how their patients would suffer. They might find this interesting. American doctors' hands are tied in many respects. evidencenetwork.ca/why-this-u-s-doctor-is-moving-to-canada/www.kevinmd.com/2017/10/interview-american-doctor-working-canada.html |
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jun 27, 2022 2:53:14 GMT -5
It's legal in Illinois. I imagine in the city they will be organizing to take poor women to Illinois. If they need someone else I will volunteer to take women. All of us need to help in whatever way we can. I too, look for it to be illegal nationwide if dems don't get in. But my one big fear for women is that contraception will be made illegal.
I remember in 1971 my obgyn told me they were finally making a policy, for the docs, that women could get tubal ligations. He said whatever you do, do not get pregnant before that or he could do nothing for me. He had me and one other girl in the local hospital to get it done. He said do it now as he didn't know if the ruling would hold. At the time I didn't realize we were the first ones in the county to be able to do it merely by choice. Still my husband had to sign off. Before that you had to have so many kids and be a certain age before they would do it. Being a product of education in the 60's I couldn't even imagine such a thing. But after having DD I was not about to take a chance of having another child with special needs. I was terrified.
I tried birth control pills but they made me very sick is how I ended up having a second child. They got a lot better after that.
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Post by daisylu on Jun 27, 2022 14:21:13 GMT -5
Prosecutors from 29 states have gone on record about not prosecuting for abortion care. There is a link to the statement in the article. Dozens of elected prosecutors said Friday they would refuse to prosecute those seeking, assisting or providing abortions after the Supreme Court overturned the 1973 ruling that guaranteed a constitutional right to abortion.
Prosecutors from 29 states, territories and Washington, D.C., signed a joint statement that included signatories from states like Mississippi, Missouri and Wisconsin that have banned or are poised to ban abortion services following the reversal of Roe v. Wade.
“Not all of us agree on a personal or moral level on the issue of abortion,” said the statement signed by 84 prosecutors, a group that included district attorneys and state attorneys general. “But we stand together in our firm belief that prosecutors have a responsibility to refrain from using limited criminal legal system resources to criminalize personal medical decisions. As such, we decline to use our offices’ resources to criminalize reproductive health decisions and commit to exercise our well-settled discretion and refrain from prosecuting those who seek, provide, or support abortions.”
The prosecutors said enforcing abortion bans would also "hinder our ability to hold perpetrators accountable, take resources away from the enforcement of serious crime, and inevitably lead to the retraumatization and criminalization of victims of sexual violence."
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Post by daisylu on Jun 27, 2022 14:39:30 GMT -5
And if one more person tells me that they "don't BELIEVE in abortion", I am going to lose my sh*t. I know you - you had your kids believing Santa delivered all their gifts on Christmas, that the tooth fairy swooped in and left them money for a lost tooth, I could go on and on.
So if I say that I don't believe you exist, will you cease to exist?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 27, 2022 14:42:00 GMT -5
And if one more person tells me that they "don't BELIEVE in abortion", I am going to lose my sh*t. I know you - you had your kids believing Santa delivered all their gifts on Christmas, that the tooth fairy swooped in and left them money for a lost tooth, I could go on and on. So if I say that I don't believe you exist, will you cease to exist? I also don't want to ever hear men state they could never get an abortion. Easy for them to say because they can never get pregnant. Men need to shut the hell up. Men don't have a dog in this race. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 27, 2022 16:02:04 GMT -5
It's legal in Illinois. I imagine in the city they will be organizing to take poor women to Illinois. If they need someone else I will volunteer to take women. All of us need to help in whatever way we can. I too, look for it to be illegal nationwide if dems don't get in. But my one big fear for women is that contraception will be made illegal. I remember in 1971 my obgyn told me they were finally making a policy, for the docs, that women could get tubal ligations. He said whatever you do, do not get pregnant before that or he could do nothing for me. He had me and one other girl in the local hospital to get it done. He said do it now as he didn't know if the ruling would hold. At the time I didn't realize we were the first ones in the county to be able to do it merely by choice. Still my husband had to sign off. Before that you had to have so many kids and be a certain age before they would do it. Being a product of education in the 60's I couldn't even imagine such a thing. But after having DD I was not about to take a chance of having another child with special needs. I was terrified. I tried birth control pills but they made me very sick is how I ended up having a second child. They got a lot better after that. Countrygirl-I have been meaning to tell you I do enjoy your avatar. Baby giraffes are so cute (as are all babies human and other mammals) but especially baby giraffes, elephants and rhinos. |
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Post by gs11rmb on Jun 28, 2022 9:06:51 GMT -5
On a neighbor's Facebook page (she's a Trumper but also claims to be pro-choice and doesn't understand what the big deal is about because everyone should know by 15 weeks. Had to point it out to her that Georgia's new law will be 6 weeks). Anyway, I finally saw the comment that women needed to be responsible and not get pregnant but there should be exceptions for 'legitimate' rape. I don't know whether to vomit or cry.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 28, 2022 9:09:15 GMT -5
On a neighbor's Facebook page (she's a Trumper but also claims to be pro-choice and doesn't understand what the big deal is about because everyone should know by 15 weeks. Had to point it out to her that Georgia's new law will be 6 weeks). Anyway, I finally saw the comment that women needed to be responsible and not get pregnant but there should be exceptions for 'legitimate' rape. I don't know whether to vomit or cry. WTF counts as "legitimate rape"?! JFC I hope she doesn't have daughters. |
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