Roe vs Wade Overturned!

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Nov 12, 2022 20:17:16 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I would love to see super hard core baby daddy legislation to accompany any further restrictions on abortions. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

I agree.  Whatever we have sure isn't working.  They flee the scene, work off the books, don't pay anything and have no assets.  I see the sad stories all the time- just saw a plea from a struggling single mother on NextDoor asking for help to make her 15-year old daughter's Christmas a good one.  

What ever happened to "doing 90 days for non-support" like in the old Jim Croce song?

[jerseygirl]

Nov 13, 2022 7:43:02 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Nov 12, 2022 20:17:16 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I would love to see super hard core baby daddy legislation to accompany any further restrictions on abortions. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

I agree.  Whatever we have sure isn't working.  They flee the scene, work off the books, don't pay anything and have no assets.  I see the sad stories all the time- just saw a plea from a struggling single mother on NextDoor asking for help to make her 15-year old daughter's Christmas a good one.  

What ever happened to "doing 90 days for non-support" like in the old Jim Croce song?

But in NY not only don’t non support go 90 days locked up, people who stab others are let out the next day
No consequences, then more of the behavior

[giramomma]

And bumping, because there is more coming.

I haven't had time to do much other than skim this..

www.cnn.com/2023/02/10/politics/fda-medication-abortion-lawsuit-mifepristone/index.html

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 24, 2023 13:19:25 GMT -5 giramomma said:

And bumping, because there is more coming.

I haven't had time to do much other than skim this..

www.cnn.com/2023/02/10/politics/fda-medication-abortion-lawsuit-mifepristone/index.html

The judge ruling in this case, a Trump appointee is not promising.

The bigger issue is a judge overruling the FDA, and the impact this could have….not only on this drug, but others.

[TheOtherMe]

Just watched this discussed on MSNBC.  It's not looking good at this point and supposedly the appeal is ready.

[thyme4change]

Feb 24, 2023 19:39:45 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Feb 24, 2023 13:19:25 GMT -5 giramomma said:

And bumping, because there is more coming.

I haven't had time to do much other than skim this..

www.cnn.com/2023/02/10/politics/fda-medication-abortion-lawsuit-mifepristone/index.html

The judge ruling in this case, a Trump appointee is not promising.

The bigger issue is a judge overruling the FDA, and the impact this could have….not only on this drug, but others.

This was filed with judge shopping in mind. One of the defects of our court system is that lawyers have several options on how to find the judge most likely to give the ruling they want. There is no good reason for this to be filed in Amarillo besides the fact that this judge is the only one in Amarillo and he is super conservative.

[djAdvocate]

yes.  in the global sense, it makes sense for a judge to be able to question a regulatory agency.

in the narrower sense, however, it may imperil MANY for this to be the case.

i am sure that this will not go unchallenged.  but i am concerned about where that challenge might lead.

edit: hopefully the judge will consider the wider implications of this ruling for "free enterprise", which presumably he is in favor of.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 26, 2023 16:06:47 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

yes.  in the global sense, it makes sense for a judge to be able to question a regulatory agency.

in the narrower sense, however, it may imperil MANY for this to be the case.

i am sure that this will not go unchallenged.  but i am concerned about where that challenge might lead.

edit: hopefully the judge will consider the wider implications of this ruling for "free enterprise", which presumably he is in favor of.

How?  The judge’s responsibility is to determine if something is legal, bot effective or safe.  That is the FDA’s responsibility.  Right now, it’s a medical abortion drug (which is also used for other, non abortion purposes).  What happens if they decide Viagra should be illegal (which I believe also has another purpose)?  How close is this to deciding that chemo for cancer shouldn’t be done because it doesn’t always save a life, merely extend it?  

Nope, that’s overstepping his bounds and he needs to proceed carefully to determine what sort of precedent it will set…..because it will cause a hell of a mess.

[daisylu]

More dumbness from Florida:

As local bills on gender, sexuality and diversity make their way through Florida’s state legislature, new legislation would ban any discussion of menstrual cycles in school before sixth grade.



That breaks from the advice of medical providers who recommend talking to children about puberty and changes in their bodies before they occur.



First periods typically start between ages 10 and 15, but can begin as young as 9 years old. That means a student could likely be in third grade up to tenth grade, or later, when a period begins.



During a subcommittee hearing in the Florida House on Wednesday, Republican state Rep. Stan McClain said his bill would include restrictions on girls talking about their menstrual cycles.
House Bill 1069 would only permit “instruction in acquired immune deficiency syndrome, sexually transmitted diseases, or health education” only in grades 6 through 12.



Democratic state Rep. Ashley Gantt noted that young girls could start their periods earlier than sixth grade and asked for clarification on whether the bill would ban those girls from talking about them.

“Does this bill prohibit conversations about menstrual cycles because we know that typically, the age is between 10 and 15,” Gantt asked. “So if little girls experience their menstrual cycle in fifth grade or fourth grade, would that prohibit conversations from them since they are in a grade lower than sixth grade?”



McClain confirmed that the bill’s language would do exactly that: “It would” McClain responded.


link

[daisylu]

I cried reading this. It is a fairly long article, so I only posted the beginning in case no one wanted to see the truly horrible sections. link


MIRAMAR, Fla. - Anya Cook did not want to push. But sitting on the toilet, legs splayed wide, she knew she didn't have a choice.



She was about to deliver her baby alone in the bathroom of a hair salon. On this Thursday afternoon in mid-December, about five months before her due date, she knew the baby would not be born alive.

Cook tried to tune out the easy chatter outside, happy women with working wombs catching up with their hairdresser. At 36, she'd already experienced a long line of miscarriages, but none of the pregnancies had been more than five weeks along. Now she had to deliver a nearly 16-week fetus - a daughter she'd planned to call Bunny.



She took a deep breath and closed her eyes.



As soon as the fetus hit the water, blood started flowing between her thighs. Blood splattered on the white toilet seat and across the floor. She panicked, her hands shaking as she picked up her phone to call her husband, Derick.



"Baby," she said, "I need you to come to the bathroom."



Over the course of the day, according to medical records, Cook would lose roughly half the blood in her body.



She had intended to deliver the fetus in a hospital, a doctor by her side. When her water broke the night before - at least six weeks ahead of when a fetus could survive on its own - she drove straight to the emergency room, where she said the doctor explained that she was experiencing pre-viability preterm prelabor rupture of the membranes (PPROM), which occurs in less than 1 percent of pregnancies. The condition can cause significant complications, including infection and hemorrhage, that can threaten the health or life of the mother, according to multiple studies.



At the hospital in Coral Springs, Fla., Cook received antibiotics, records show. Then she was sent home to wait.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I hate my state.  For those in the back using PLAN B IS NOT AN ABORTION!

Can't wait to see how they twist being raped into a "blessing" because it resulted in pregnancy.     


www.cnn.com/2023/04/11/us/iowa-funding-plan-b-abortions-sexual-assault-victims/index.html




Iowa’s Attorney General has paused funding for emergency contraception and abortions for sexual assault victims, according to an email Iowa’s Coalition Against Sexual Assault received that was also shared with CNN.



The email was sent from Chief Deputy Attorney General Sam Langholz. Attorney General Brenna Bird’s office did not respond to CNN’s request for comment.



Langholz told the nonprofit that a review of victim’s services is ongoing and the Attorney General has not made a final decision on whether the payments will resume.



“While not required by Iowa law, the victim compensation fund has previously paid for Plan B and abortions. As a part of her top-down, bottom-up audit of victim assistance, Attorney General Bird is carefully evaluating whether this is an appropriate use of public funds,



Bird, a Republican, won her election in 2022 in a race that largely focused on abortion after her Democratic opponent declined to defend Iowa’s “fetal heartbeat” law, which would ban most abortions after about six weeks.


During her campaign, Bird said, “I am pro-life and I will defend the laws that are passed by the Legislature.”

[grumpyhermit]

I think the most telling bit is that she has cancelled payments pending the review. So when the review inevitably concludes that abortions won't be covered, anyone that could have benefited from Plan B, but who may not have been able to afford access, will now be SOL. 

[TheOtherMe]

Drama, see why Kimmy needed her own Attorney General?  Since she didn't get her State Auditor, she's trying to take all auditing authority away from that office.  Probably because she misused funds that were designated for project and used them on another.  

[finnime]

daisylu, those are grisly stories. WTF are they thinking. Oh, right, they are not thinking at all.

Ugh, Drama, just ugh.

I'm glad I'm way past menopause but I worry for my DD, nieces and any women DS sees. Fortunately we all live in open states, but barriers are going up and it's bound to color the future. 

[pulmonarymd]

What’s a few dead women compared to all those white fetuses we are going to save. Just a just sacrifice for the greater good/s. Not like they are going to be the ones who have to follow the law. They will find a way around it, like a mother/daughter vacation in NYC

[TheOtherMe]

Iowa and I would guess other states, is cutting back on aid via SNAP and WIC.  So we will force you to have the baby but we won't help you once it's born.  

[saveinla]

Apr 11, 2023 9:24:39 GMT -5 daisylu said:

I cried reading this. It is a fairly long article, so I only posted the beginning in case no one wanted to see the truly horrible sections. link


MIRAMAR, Fla. - Anya Cook did not want to push. But sitting on the toilet, legs splayed wide, she knew she didn't have a choice.



She was about to deliver her baby alone in the bathroom of a hair salon. On this Thursday afternoon in mid-December, about five months before her due date, she knew the baby would not be born alive.

Cook tried to tune out the easy chatter outside, happy women with working wombs catching up with their hairdresser. At 36, she'd already experienced a long line of miscarriages, but none of the pregnancies had been more than five weeks along. Now she had to deliver a nearly 16-week fetus - a daughter she'd planned to call Bunny.



She took a deep breath and closed her eyes.



As soon as the fetus hit the water, blood started flowing between her thighs. Blood splattered on the white toilet seat and across the floor. She panicked, her hands shaking as she picked up her phone to call her husband, Derick.



"Baby," she said, "I need you to come to the bathroom."



Over the course of the day, according to medical records, Cook would lose roughly half the blood in her body.



She had intended to deliver the fetus in a hospital, a doctor by her side. When her water broke the night before - at least six weeks ahead of when a fetus could survive on its own - she drove straight to the emergency room, where she said the doctor explained that she was experiencing pre-viability preterm prelabor rupture of the membranes (PPROM), which occurs in less than 1 percent of pregnancies. The condition can cause significant complications, including infection and hemorrhage, that can threaten the health or life of the mother, according to multiple studies.



At the hospital in Coral Springs, Fla., Cook received antibiotics, records show. Then she was sent home to wait.

Its really heartbreaking- about the 2 women.

[daisylu]

This is getting ridiculous. link



Jaci Statton, a 25-year-old mother of three based in Central Oklahoma, was expecting her fourth child when she began feeling dizzy, weak, and especially nauseous toward the end of February. By mid-March, she experienced an episode of heavy bleeding, and she and her husband rushed to an emergency room, where they learned she had a nonviable, molar pregnancy—which occurs when an embryo has too many chromosomes and can result in the developing tissue becoming cancerous. In most cases, the condition is benign—but in 15% of cases, including Statton’s, molar pregnancies can be cancerous.



Speaking to NPR for a story published on Tuesday, Statton recalled traveling to numerous hospitals to seek an emergency dilation and curettage (or D&C) abortion procedure—the treatment for her life-threatening condition. Her emergency room doctor told her she was at risk of hemorrhage and even death, but that the hospital couldn’t provide treatment. Over the course of a week, she was transferred to three different hospitals. The last hospital instructed Statton to wait in the parking lot for her condition to worsen before they could legally treat her, she claimed. “They said, ‘The best we can tell you to do is sit in the parking lot, and if anything else happens, we will be ready to help you. But we cannot touch you unless you are crashing in front of us or your blood pressure goes so high that you are fixing to have a heart attack,’” Statton told NPR.

[pulmonarymd]

Expect these cases to happen again and again. Until these legislatures specify what exactly what they meant when they wrote these bills, and their attorneys general state publicly their intention, hospital lawyers will be risk averse, and tell the hospital and physicians to wait until their is no doubt someone’s life is in danger. Life threatening is vague. Different physicians can debate where the line is.

For the xample, asthma kills about 4000 people a year. Millions of people have asthma exacerbations. I can tell you when someone’s exacerbation is severe enough that I believe it warrants admission to the hospital. Yet insurance companies deny payment for these admissions after the fact. The states are going to do the same thing with an abortion. Except in these cases, instead of not getting paid, they arrest you. Not worth the risk

[Opti]

Apr 26, 2023 6:37:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Expect these cases to happen again and again. Until these legislatures specify what exactly what they meant when they wrote these bills, and their attorneys general state publicly their intention, hospital lawyers will be risk averse, and tell the hospital and physicians to wait until their is no doubt someone’s life is in danger. Life threatening is vague. Different physicians can debate where the line is.

For the xample, asthma kills about 4000 people a year. Millions of people have asthma exacerbations. I can tell you when someone’s exacerbation is severe enough that I believe it warrants admission to the hospital. Yet insurance companies deny payment for these admissions after the fact. The states are going to do the same thing with an abortion. Except in these cases, instead of not getting paid, they arrest you. Not worth the risk

Can you PM me about the asthma exacerbation is severe enough that you believe it warrants admission to the hospital?
TYIA

[Opti]

Apr 26, 2023 6:11:28 GMT -5 daisylu said:

This is getting ridiculous. link



Jaci Statton, a 25-year-old mother of three based in Central Oklahoma, was expecting her fourth child when she began feeling dizzy, weak, and especially nauseous toward the end of February. By mid-March, she experienced an episode of heavy bleeding, and she and her husband rushed to an emergency room, where they learned she had a nonviable, molar pregnancy—which occurs when an embryo has too many chromosomes and can result in the developing tissue becoming cancerous. In most cases, the condition is benign—but in 15% of cases, including Statton’s, molar pregnancies can be cancerous.



Speaking to NPR for a story published on Tuesday, Statton recalled traveling to numerous hospitals to seek an emergency dilation and curettage (or D&C) abortion procedure—the treatment for her life-threatening condition. Her emergency room doctor told her she was at risk of hemorrhage and even death, but that the hospital couldn’t provide treatment. Over the course of a week, she was transferred to three different hospitals. The last hospital instructed Statton to wait in the parking lot for her condition to worsen before they could legally treat her, she claimed. “They said, ‘The best we can tell you to do is sit in the parking lot, and if anything else happens, we will be ready to help you. But we cannot touch you unless you are crashing in front of us or your blood pressure goes so high that you are fixing to have a heart attack,’” Statton told NPR.

Very sad, but at least they told her the current "rules".