Roe vs Wade Overturned!

[saveinla]

www.gov.ca.gov/2022/06/24/west-coast-states-launch-new-multi-state-commitment-to-reproductive-freedom-standing-united-on-protecting-abortion-access/

Looks like the west coast states are joining together in the fight. Dont know how much longer they can hold, as the goal is to bring the fight to Cali.

[teen persuasion]

Jun 25, 2022 21:25:25 GMT -5 saveinla said:

www.gov.ca.gov/2022/06/24/west-coast-states-launch-new-multi-state-commitment-to-reproductive-freedom-standing-united-on-protecting-abortion-access/

Looks like the west coast states are joining together in the fight. Dont know how much longer they can hold, as the goal is to bring the fight to Cali.

NY is working to protect access, too.

Gov Hochul signs legislative package to protect abortion and reproductive services

The court said it's a state's right issue - so "they" can't have it both ways, and attempt to create a federal ban, too.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 25, 2022 21:25:25 GMT -5 saveinla said:

www.gov.ca.gov/2022/06/24/west-coast-states-launch-new-multi-state-commitment-to-reproductive-freedom-standing-united-on-protecting-abortion-access/

Looks like the west coast states are joining together in the fight. Dont know how much longer they can hold, as the goal is to bring the fight to Cali.

they don't have a leg to stand on without a federal ban.
the only way they get that is if filibuster gets suspended.
so far, that has remained in place.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

You can probably kiss that filibuster goodbye if Reps take over the senate by a slim margin. That will be one of the first things to go if Two-faced McConnell leads the senate again.

[weltschmerz]

Jun 25, 2022 20:56:22 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

DH just showed me a post:

Canada must feel like it's an apartment above a meth lab.

You never heard that before? It's a Robin Williams quote.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 26, 2022 0:18:19 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

You can probably kiss that filibuster goodbye if Reps take over the senate by a slim margin. That will be one of the first things to go if Two-faced McConnell leads the senate again.

that thought occurred to me.  i changed my post weighing the many possibilities, including the Democrats erasing it.

[NastyWoman]

I am on a road trip right now and have spend the last couple of days in an electronic death zone (no wifi, cell phones, or other news sources). Catching up here leaves me so sad. I am so grateful my DS2 and DDIL have taken my grandbabies out off this country - for their dual citizenship. This country has become a scary place in many ways with the American version of the Taliban out in full force and winning.

I am hugging my maroon passport tightly tonight while crying for my American "family" and friends.

[djAdvocate]

yeah, this is entirely expected, and not very hopeful, i have to say.

we have been angling this way since the end of WW2, but particularly since 1973.

i honestly don't know what can be done to fix it.

[raeoflyte]

We were with our inlaws yesterday and they're boys have dual citizenship with Canada and they're working on their Canadian passports. I'm so jealous and wish we had anything like that for the kids.

[billisonboard]

Jun 25, 2022 17:43:30 GMT -5 soupandstew said:

And, in more great news from Texas, this is a tweet from my US senator today


Senator John Cornyn
@johncornyn
Now do Plessy vs Ferguson/Brown vs Board of Education.

This didn't make sense to me when I first read it so I looked into it. It isn't addressed to the Supreme Court. It is to us. Here is what it means:
Plessy established the precedent for separate but equal.
Roe established the precedent for legal access to abortion nationally.
Brown overturned precedent. If you say that precedent must be upheld in Roe because it is precedent, follow the same logic in Plessy.

[Deleted]

Jun 25, 2022 18:42:31 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Jun 25, 2022 18:33:11 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Damn called that one.

The Supreme Court declared open season. Republicans don't even need to try to pretend anymore.

Why hasn't Texas seceded already?
Cut those mofos off and let them fend for themselves.

Why?  Because the Feds have $$ Texas is often begging for, education $, FEMA $, anything Texas can get from the Feds while bashing them.  Any Fed demands on Texas are "unwarranted intrusion", any Fed $$ are "our entitlement"

[Bonny]

Jun 25, 2022 12:50:05 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

since yesterday, I have had two (well off white male) friends reach out to me via PM, to "let me know they are horrified at the decision" and proceeded to then get bent out of shape when I started to explain all of the things that are coming next, and that this is why I was so pissed when they both told me they voted tRump and twice. I had to walk away from both conversations, before I blew my stack. you've both gotten incredibly condescending when I bothered to point out your own BS re: 45, or ridiculing Biden for his stutter, or whatever. here's your fucking alternative. one of the two (who happens to live in MA like I do) told me today that his wife needed a D&C after a miscarriage, and that he was astounded to realize that if they lived elsewhere, that she might not have had the same care. hello? do you get it now? 

I'm still catching up but had to respond.

I had the same conversation with my father. "Oh but you still would get care". Me: "Nope. They just don't care."

The irony is as loud a Trump supporter he was, my DH found out that my father wasn't registered to vote.   

[andi9899]

Jun 25, 2022 20:54:40 GMT -5 busymom said:

Jun 25, 2022 20:41:25 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

I can't figure how to get to Canada.  Maybe after all of this DN1 and his wife will go through the process of getting citizenship.  I have no idea of what their plans are.  

I would have to look in to Costa Rica but going where I no nobody and don't speak Spanish isn't appealing.

     I don't speak Spanish either, but if a group of us bought houses in the same community, I'm sure we could help each other out.  What's really sad is, my DD is dating a really nice young man, and the two of them are already talking about what country it'd be safe to raise children in, outside of the USA.  Way to get rid of your educated citizens.  Idiots!  

I speak Spanish! Take me!

[andi9899]

Jun 26, 2022 10:04:44 GMT -5 Bonny said:

Jun 25, 2022 12:50:05 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

since yesterday, I have had two (well off white male) friends reach out to me via PM, to "let me know they are horrified at the decision" and proceeded to then get bent out of shape when I started to explain all of the things that are coming next, and that this is why I was so pissed when they both told me they voted tRump and twice. I had to walk away from both conversations, before I blew my stack. you've both gotten incredibly condescending when I bothered to point out your own BS re: 45, or ridiculing Biden for his stutter, or whatever. here's your fucking alternative. one of the two (who happens to live in MA like I do) told me today that his wife needed a D&C after a miscarriage, and that he was astounded to realize that if they lived elsewhere, that she might not have had the same care. hello? do you get it now? 

I'm still catching up but had to respond.

I had the same conversation with my father. "Oh but you still would get care". Me: "Nope. They just don't care."

The irony is as loud a Trump supporter he was, my DH found out that my father wasn't registered to vote.   

My mom also has strong opinions but is not registered to vote. She gets so mad at me when I point out that her opinions don't matter since she doesn't care enough to vote.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 26, 2022 8:51:00 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 25, 2022 17:43:30 GMT -5 soupandstew said:

And, in more great news from Texas, this is a tweet from my US senator today


Senator John Cornyn
@johncornyn
Now do Plessy vs Ferguson/Brown vs Board of Education.

This didn't make sense to me when I first read it so I looked into it. It isn't addressed to the Supreme Court. It is to us. Here is what it means:
Plessy established the precedent for separate but equal.
Roe established the precedent for legal access to abortion nationally.
Brown overturned precedent. If you say that precedent must be upheld in Roe because it is precedent, follow the same logic in Plessy.

he must have been about 3 bourbons in to tweet that.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jun 26, 2022 1:10:40 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I am on a road trip right now and have spend the last couple of days in an electronic death zone (no wifi, cell phones, or other news sources). Catching up here leaves me so sad. I am so grateful my DS2 and DDIL have taken my grandbabies out off this country - for their dual citizenship. This country has become a scary place in many ways with the American version of the Taliban out in full force and winning.

I am hugging my maroon passport tightly tonight while crying for my American "family" and friends.

We were on a dive boat in the Caribbean while Trump was in office.  No TV, no internet….no news whatsoever for a full week.  It was wonderful, and I know my blood pressure definitely went down.  

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jun 25, 2022 12:50:05 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

since yesterday, I have had two (well off white male) friends reach out to me via PM, to "let me know they are horrified at the decision" and proceeded to then get bent out of shape when I started to explain all of the things that are coming next, and that this is why I was so pissed when they both told me they voted tRump and twice. I had to walk away from both conversations, before I blew my stack. you've both gotten incredibly condescending when I bothered to point out your own BS re: 45, or ridiculing Biden for his stutter, or whatever. here's your fucking alternative. one of the two (who happens to live in MA like I do) told me today that his wife needed a D&C after a miscarriage, and that he was astounded to realize that if they lived elsewhere, that she might not have had the same care. hello? do you get it now? 

There is going to be more fall out from this than imaginable.  How many deaths sepsis from sepsis due to fetal death, or tubal pregnancies is it going to take?  What is the critical number which will make old white men without a uterus take notice?  I imagine that it is going to need to strike home (like with chiver78 friend) before those who think this is a good idea truly understand the implications.

I was listening to an interview on CNN yesterday with a proponent of the ban.  One of the questions asked to this woman what she thought a 12 year old who was pregnant by being taped by a family member should be able to access.  Her answer was to punish the family member to the full extent of the law….she never answered the question about the pregnant 12 year old.

I yelled at the TV a lot yesterday.  My blood pressure meds had to work hard!

[djAdvocate]

Jun 26, 2022 11:54:19 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jun 25, 2022 12:50:05 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

since yesterday, I have had two (well off white male) friends reach out to me via PM, to "let me know they are horrified at the decision" and proceeded to then get bent out of shape when I started to explain all of the things that are coming next, and that this is why I was so pissed when they both told me they voted tRump and twice. I had to walk away from both conversations, before I blew my stack. you've both gotten incredibly condescending when I bothered to point out your own BS re: 45, or ridiculing Biden for his stutter, or whatever. here's your fucking alternative. one of the two (who happens to live in MA like I do) told me today that his wife needed a D&C after a miscarriage, and that he was astounded to realize that if they lived elsewhere, that she might not have had the same care. hello? do you get it now? 

There is going to be more fall out from this than imaginable.  How many deaths sepsis from sepsis due to fetal death, or tubal pregnancies is it going to take?  What is the critical number which will make old white men without a uterus take notice?  I imagine that it is going to need to strike home (like with chiver78 friend) before those who think this is a good idea truly understand the implications.

I was listening to an interview on CNN yesterday with a proponent of the ban.  One of the questions asked to this woman what she thought a 12 year old who was pregnant by being taped by a family member should be able to access.  Her answer was to punish the family member to the full extent of the law….she never answered the question about the pregnant 12 year old.

I yelled at the TV a lot yesterday.  My blood pressure meds had to work hard!

you're kidding, right?  you saw what happened during the coronavirus.  1M people died.  they still don't care.  1M more could die.  they still wouldn't care.  

they don't give a FUCK about anyone other than them.  you MUST know that by now.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jun 26, 2022 12:06:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 26, 2022 11:54:19 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

There is going to be more fall out from this than imaginable.  How many deaths sepsis from sepsis due to fetal death, or tubal pregnancies is it going to take?  What is the critical number which will make old white men without a uterus take notice?  I imagine that it is going to need to strike home (like with chiver78 friend) before those who think this is a good idea truly understand the implications.

I was listening to an interview on CNN yesterday with a proponent of the ban.  One of the questions asked to this woman what she thought a 12 year old who was pregnant by being taped by a family member should be able to access.  Her answer was to punish the family member to the full extent of the law….she never answered the question about the pregnant 12 year old.

I yelled at the TV a lot yesterday.  My blood pressure meds had to work hard!

you're kidding, right?  you saw what happened during the coronavirus.  1M people died.  they still don't care.  1M more could die.  they still wouldn't care.  

they don't give a FUCK about anyone other than them.  you MUST know that by now.

I know, it was a rhetorical question.

[weltschmerz]

A 12 year old would NEVER be allowed to ADOPT a baby....but can be forced to HAVE a baby.
Where's the sense in that?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jun 26, 2022 12:21:08 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

A 12 year old would NEVER be allowed to ADOPT a baby....but can be forced to HAVE a baby.
Where's the sense in that?

Yep.  Absolutely NO sense.  But she sure s hell can be a vessel for a white baby that’s wanted for adoption, regardless of the health implications for the 12 year old.  That is, assuming the child has a HEALTHY white baby.  Otherwise, all bets are off.

[andi9899]

Jun 26, 2022 11:54:19 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jun 25, 2022 12:50:05 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

since yesterday, I have had two (well off white male) friends reach out to me via PM, to "let me know they are horrified at the decision" and proceeded to then get bent out of shape when I started to explain all of the things that are coming next, and that this is why I was so pissed when they both told me they voted tRump and twice. I had to walk away from both conversations, before I blew my stack. you've both gotten incredibly condescending when I bothered to point out your own BS re: 45, or ridiculing Biden for his stutter, or whatever. here's your fucking alternative. one of the two (who happens to live in MA like I do) told me today that his wife needed a D&C after a miscarriage, and that he was astounded to realize that if they lived elsewhere, that she might not have had the same care. hello? do you get it now? 

There is going to be more fall out from this than imaginable.  How many deaths sepsis from sepsis due to fetal death, or tubal pregnancies is it going to take?  What is the critical number which will make old white men without a uterus take notice?  I imagine that it is going to need to strike home (like with chiver78 friend) before those who think this is a good idea truly understand the implications.

I was listening to an interview on CNN yesterday with a proponent of the ban.  One of the questions asked to this woman what she thought a 12 year old who was pregnant by being taped by a family member should be able to access.  Her answer was to punish the family member to the full extent of the law….she never answered the question about the pregnant 12 year old.

I yelled at the TV a lot yesterday.  My blood pressure meds had to work hard!

I saw that and was like WTF?!

[djAdvocate]

Jun 26, 2022 12:21:08 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

A 12 year old would NEVER be allowed to ADOPT a baby....but can be forced to HAVE a baby.
Where's the sense in that?

if you view women as baby factories, it makes a bit of sense.

[weltschmerz]

I was watching our local news yesterday, and they said Canada will have to strictly limit the number of women who will come to Canada for an abortion.
We're short of doctors and nurses as it is, and can't spare them to work in border clinics to provide abortion services to thousands and thousands of Americans.
Evidently, it will be at the expense of Canadians waiting for various surgeries. There is still a backlog due to Covid, when a lot of medical staff quit due to overwork and burnout.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 26, 2022 13:34:22 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I was watching our local news yesterday, and they said Canada will have to strictly limit the number of women who will come to Canada for an abortion.
We're short of doctors and nurses as it is, and can't spare them to work in border clinics to provide abortion services to thousands and thousands of Americans.
Evidently, it will be at the expense of Canadians waiting for various surgeries. There is still a backlog due to Covid, when a lot of medical staff quit due to overwork and burnout.

other than in Alberta, i don't think you are going to see much of it.
it is generally easier to get one in the US, for now.
the worst will be in the Deep South.  
i don't know what they are going to do down there.
Dominican Republic?  Haiti?

[weltschmerz]

Quebec touches on New York, Vermont, Maine and New Hampsire.

New Jersey, Conneticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts are a hop, skip and jump away.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jun 26, 2022 13:34:22 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I was watching our local news yesterday, and they said Canada will have to strictly limit the number of women who will come to Canada for an abortion.
We're short of doctors and nurses as it is, and can't spare them to work in border clinics to provide abortion services to thousands and thousands of Americans.
Evidently, it will be at the expense of Canadians waiting for various surgeries. There is still a backlog due to Covid, when a lot of medical staff quit due to overwork and burnout.

This makes no sense. Why would you fly to Canada at a greater expense than one of the blue states? Most of the northern states that border Canada have abortion access, other than ID and MT. It is easier to go to WA because of that pesky passport issue.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 26, 2022 13:23:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 26, 2022 12:21:08 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

A 12 year old would NEVER be allowed to ADOPT a baby....but can be forced to HAVE a baby.
Where's the sense in that?

if you view women as baby factories, it makes a bit of sense.

It makes more sense if you consider these men want control of women. We exist solely to be dominated and used by men.

Then punish us for it afterwards.

As DH put it when I was talking about bring sexually harassed in HS: there is no faster way to discredit a woman than go after her sexuality".

Society isn't going to punish her rapist. It's going to ask her what did she think would happen? She probably flirted or dressed sexy she had to have done SOMETHING.

Because men are just giant walking penises who can't control themselves. They must take what they consider theirs.

Now she needs to carry her Scarlet Letter so we can all know she tried to ruin this man.

If she wants to atone give it up to a white staight cis Christian couple. She'll still forever be marked but she can spare her child the same fate.

The latter only works if it's a healthy white baby. Otherwise she needs to keep it to reinforce the racist stereotype of the welfare queen. She is to be used to undermine any support programs that could lift up women and make them think subservience to a man may not be their only salvation.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Jun 26, 2022 14:02:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Quebec touches on New York, Vermont, Maine and New Hampsire.

New Jersey, Conneticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts are a hop, skip and jump away.

But abortion is legal and protected in all those states. Why would they go to Canada?

[weltschmerz]

Jun 26, 2022 14:02:57 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jun 26, 2022 13:34:22 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I was watching our local news yesterday, and they said Canada will have to strictly limit the number of women who will come to Canada for an abortion.
We're short of doctors and nurses as it is, and can't spare them to work in border clinics to provide abortion services to thousands and thousands of Americans.
Evidently, it will be at the expense of Canadians waiting for various surgeries. There is still a backlog due to Covid, when a lot of medical staff quit due to overwork and burnout.

This makes no sense. Why would you fly to Canada at a greater expense than one of the blue states? Most of the northern states that border Canada have abortion access, other than ID and MT. It is easier to go to WA because of that pesky passport issue.

For now. 

In any case, why would they fly? It's a few hours' drive. I used to drive to NYC all the time.  It's only 372 miles away. Vermont is only 107 miles away.