Roe vs Wade Overturned!

[scgal]

Sept 18, 2022 14:10:53 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Sept 18, 2022 12:39:32 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't want to control anyone. I don't think of a fetus as a bunch of cells and its certainly not just to kill a baby because it's inconvenient. There should be a ban unless medically necessary or to ask a court for special permission such as rape. What makes you so high and mighty to dictate a baby's life. 

So you think a woman should ask the flakiness of a court if she could snort from rape?  I agree with andi9899 .  Fuck off.

Are you ok with the court deciding you don’t need your spare kidney?  How about a pint of marrow or a chunk of liver?  Do you understand bodily autonomy means ALL bodily autonomy, not just pertaining to uterus?  How about them deciding you have lived long enough and you are no longer useful?  

The difference is I think the "fetus" is already a person, so in that regard the mother does not have the right to abort it. Would you have the right to take your 3yr old out back and shoot them? Same difference in my mind. I was having a tough time with my first pregnancy a whole list of complications and was put on bed rest from toxemia for most of my pregnancy I was told from the dr earlier that I should abort I decided to continue with the pregnancy and risk my life since I don't have the right to choose me over the baby. That baby now has a child and another on the way. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 18, 2022 14:41:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 18, 2022 14:10:53 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

So you think a woman should ask the flakiness of a court if she could snort from rape?  I agree with andi9899 .  Fuck off.

Are you ok with the court deciding you don’t need your spare kidney?  How about a pint of marrow or a chunk of liver?  Do you understand bodily autonomy means ALL bodily autonomy, not just pertaining to uterus?  How about them deciding you have lived long enough and you are no longer useful?  

The difference is I think the "fetus" is already a person, so in that regard the mother does not have the right to abort it. Would you have the right to take your 3yr old out back and shoot them? Same difference in my mind. I was having a tough time with my first pregnancy a whole list of complications and was put on bed rest from toxemia for most of my pregnancy I was told from the dr earlier that I should abort I decided to continue with the pregnancy and risk my life since I don't have the right to choose me over the baby. That baby now has a child and another on the way. 

Fetus =/= 3 year old.  False equivalence, and incredibly stupid comparison.

[chiver78]

Sept 18, 2022 14:41:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 18, 2022 14:10:53 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

So you think a woman should ask the flakiness of a court if she could snort from rape?  I agree with andi9899 .  Fuck off.

Are you ok with the court deciding you don’t need your spare kidney?  How about a pint of marrow or a chunk of liver?  Do you understand bodily autonomy means ALL bodily autonomy, not just pertaining to uterus?  How about them deciding you have lived long enough and you are no longer useful?  

The difference is I think the "fetus" is already a person, so in that regard the mother does not have the right to abort it. Would you have the right to take your 3yr old out back and shoot them? Same difference in my mind. I was having a tough time with my first pregnancy a whole list of complications and was put on bed rest from toxemia for most of my pregnancy I was told from the dr earlier that I should abort I decided to continue with the pregnancy and risk my life since I don't have the right to choose me over the baby. That baby now has a child and another on the way. 

except it isn't, until it is viable to live on its own outside the womb. why do you place more value on the potential life than the incubator carrying it? because that is exactly how you view those seeking an abortion.

[andi9899]

Sept 18, 2022 14:41:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 18, 2022 14:10:53 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

So you think a woman should ask the flakiness of a court if she could snort from rape?  I agree with andi9899 .  Fuck off.

Are you ok with the court deciding you don’t need your spare kidney?  How about a pint of marrow or a chunk of liver?  Do you understand bodily autonomy means ALL bodily autonomy, not just pertaining to uterus?  How about them deciding you have lived long enough and you are no longer useful?  

The difference is I think the "fetus" is already a person, so in that regard the mother does not have the right to abort it. Would you have the right to take your 3yr old out back and shoot them? Same difference in my mind. I was having a tough time with my first pregnancy a whole list of complications and was put on bed rest from toxemia for most of my pregnancy I was told from the dr earlier that I should abort I decided to continue with the pregnancy and risk my life since I don't have the right to choose me over the baby. That baby now has a child and another on the way. 

A living breathing 3 yo is much different than a clump of cells. Shame on you. Just because you chose to risk your life doesn't mean that others should have to. Again, your beliefs don't get to dictate my life. The constitution was not written based on religion. You most definitely have a right to your beliefs, but so do I.

[scgal]

Sept 18, 2022 15:04:42 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Sept 18, 2022 14:41:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

The difference is I think the "fetus" is already a person, so in that regard the mother does not have the right to abort it. Would you have the right to take your 3yr old out back and shoot them? Same difference in my mind. I was having a tough time with my first pregnancy a whole list of complications and was put on bed rest from toxemia for most of my pregnancy I was told from the dr earlier that I should abort I decided to continue with the pregnancy and risk my life since I don't have the right to choose me over the baby. That baby now has a child and another on the way. 

A living breathing 3 yo is much different than a clump of cells. Shame on you. Just because you chose to risk your life doesn't mean that others should have to. Again, your beliefs don't get to dictate my life. The constitution was not written based on religion. You most definitely have a right to your beliefs, but so do I.

No religion belief here. Have you seen a pic of a 6 week fetus, 12 week fetus I wouldn't say that looks like a clump of cells. I sure as hell wouldn't lie to myself to make myself feel better for about to get one.

[andi9899]

Sept 18, 2022 15:09:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 18, 2022 15:04:42 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

A living breathing 3 yo is much different than a clump of cells. Shame on you. Just because you chose to risk your life doesn't mean that others should have to. Again, your beliefs don't get to dictate my life. The constitution was not written based on religion. You most definitely have a right to your beliefs, but so do I.

No religion belief here. Have you seen a pic of a 6 week fetus, 12 week fetus I wouldn't say that looks like a clump of cells. I sure as hell wouldn't lie to myself to make myself feel better for about to get one.

Who cares what it looks like. It's not viable. So if a woman has 3 kids at home and has a nonviable fetus inside her that is threatening her life, she should just forget about the living children she has to make sure that the fetus that is killing her is born? Make that make sense.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 18, 2022 15:09:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 18, 2022 15:04:42 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

A living breathing 3 yo is much different than a clump of cells. Shame on you. Just because you chose to risk your life doesn't mean that others should have to. Again, your beliefs don't get to dictate my life. The constitution was not written based on religion. You most definitely have a right to your beliefs, but so do I.

No religion belief here. Have you seen a pic of a 6 week fetus, 12 week fetus I wouldn't say that looks like a clump of cells. I sure as hell wouldn't lie to myself to make myself feel better for about to get one.

That clump of cells cannot exist without the woman as the incubator. Until it can, the live woman trumps the clump of cells that cannot function, regardless of medical intervention.

[Opti]

Sept 18, 2022 14:52:24 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Sept 18, 2022 14:41:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

The difference is I think the "fetus" is already a person, so in that regard the mother does not have the right to abort it. Would you have the right to take your 3yr old out back and shoot them? Same difference in my mind. I was having a tough time with my first pregnancy a whole list of complications and was put on bed rest from toxemia for most of my pregnancy I was told from the dr earlier that I should abort I decided to continue with the pregnancy and risk my life since I don't have the right to choose me over the baby. That baby now has a child and another on the way. 

except it isn't, until it is viable to live on its own outside the womb. why do you place more value on the potential life than the incubator carrying it? because that is exactly how you view those seeking an abortion.

Totally agree Chiver. At 12 weeks the fetus is the size of a lime. Plus abortions can lead to better viable healthier pregnancies in the future. A good portion of the US does not have the financial resources to take care of an infant born with serious complications. Many unmarried women cannot afford to lose their jobs because of a pregnancy they might not even be able to afford if they kept the job.


Fetuses at 25 weeks have around a 67 to 76 percent chance of viability. 24 weeks. Doctors typically consider the 24-week mark to be the point of potential viability, though at that age, survival is still far from guaranteed. Fetal viability at 24 weeks ranges from 42 to 59 percent, according to ACOG.

Fetal Viability: How Early Can a Baby Be Born? - Verywell Family



www.whattoexpect.com/first-year/preemies/fetal-viability


Fetal viability is the ability of a human fetus to survive outside the uterus. Medical viability is generally considered to be between 23 and 24 weeks gestational age. Viability depends upon factors such as birth weight, gestational age, and the availability of advanced medical care. In low-income countries, half of newborns born at or below 32 weeks gestational age died due a lack of medical access;

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability

[tallguy]

Sept 18, 2022 14:41:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 18, 2022 14:10:53 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

So you think a woman should ask the flakiness of a court if she could snort from rape?  I agree with andi9899 .  Fuck off.

Are you ok with the court deciding you don’t need your spare kidney?  How about a pint of marrow or a chunk of liver?  Do you understand bodily autonomy means ALL bodily autonomy, not just pertaining to uterus?  How about them deciding you have lived long enough and you are no longer useful?  

The difference is I think the "fetus" is already a person, so in that regard the mother does not have the right to abort it. Would you have the right to take your 3yr old out back and shoot them? Same difference in my mind. I was having a tough time with my first pregnancy a whole list of complications and was put on bed rest from toxemia for most of my pregnancy I was told from the dr earlier that I should abort I decided to continue with the pregnancy and risk my life since I don't have the right to choose me over the baby. That baby now has a child and another on the way. 

And you are perfectly free to think that way...for yourself.  You are perfectly free to base YOUR life decisions on that belief.  Nobody here or anywhere else will ever tell you differently.  You are NOT free to impose your belief on anyone else.  You are NOT free to force other people to live according to your belief.  That is the whole point.  NOBODY is trying to force their choice or belief onto you.  You ARE trying to force your choice and belief onto them.  In a free society, you cannot do that.  What it comes down to, then, is that you do not truly believe in a free society.  You're not alone, of course.  Most conservatives do not believe in a free society.  They generally respect the rights only of those who think and believe as they do.  Not a club I would ever want to be part of.... 

[chiver78]

I generally avoid interacting with you, scgal, but I'm going to get in your face a little right now. what's your opinion of the Venezuelan migrants that just got dropped literally in my backyard? should they have been given housing and assistance? was DeSantis right in moving them from *NOT FL* to MA? anything else you might add? I'm just asking, since you're so clearly pro-life. please, have the floor.

[andi9899]

To make some things clear, I've been pregnant twice. I had two healthy babies. T1 was thought to have down syndrome. The only way to find out for sure was to do an amnio to check. The risk (in 1997) was that the hole poked in the amniotic sac may not close and I'd lose her when all the fluid leaked out. Small chance, but I wasn't taking the risk. I'd still love her anyway. She didn't have it. Abortion was never even mentioned as an option. I wouldn't have considered it anyway unless she would have had an awful life. BUT IT WAS MY CHOICE! It was my body, so I got to chose what I did with it.

Fast forward to 2022 and the government is taking choices away from women and they're going to die. This is being done against their will. Luckily I live in KS, so we got to vote on it. This bright red state voted no. So my kids won't have to worry if something happens to them, but not everyone can say the same. We shouldn't have this happening in 2022.

[tallguy]

Sept 18, 2022 15:24:20 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I generally avoid interacting with you, scgal , but I'm going to get in your face a little right now. what's your opinion of the Venezuelan migrants that just got dropped literally in my backyard? should they have been given housing and assistance? was DeSantis right in moving them from *NOT FL* to MA? anything else you might add? I'm just asking, since you're so clearly pro-life. please, have the floor.

To be fair, she did say she was, "far from pro-life, just anti-abortion."  Personally I am glad she made that distinction.  Most people don't, and think that "pro-life" actually means something in the anti-abortion context.  It doesn't. 

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 18, 2022 14:52:24 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Sept 18, 2022 14:41:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

The difference is I think the "fetus" is already a person, so in that regard the mother does not have the right to abort it. Would you have the right to take your 3yr old out back and shoot them? Same difference in my mind. I was having a tough time with my first pregnancy a whole list of complications and was put on bed rest from toxemia for most of my pregnancy I was told from the dr earlier that I should abort I decided to continue with the pregnancy and risk my life since I don't have the right to choose me over the baby. That baby now has a child and another on the way. 

except it isn't, until it is viable to live on its own outside the womb. why do you place more value on the potential life than the incubator carrying it? because that is exactly how you view those seeking an abortion.

In essence, prior to viability, a fetus is no better than a parasite. Now, that will inflame pro-life people, but I don’t care. Until viability, it cannot survive. Requiring a women to carry the fetus is no different than forcing someone to donate an organ to someone who will die without a transplant. If you would not force that, how can you force a women to continue a pregnancy, with its risks.

But of course we will hear how this is different

[chiver78]

Sept 18, 2022 15:30:48 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 18, 2022 15:24:20 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I generally avoid interacting with you, scgal , but I'm going to get in your face a little right now. what's your opinion of the Venezuelan migrants that just got dropped literally in my backyard? should they have been given housing and assistance? was DeSantis right in moving them from *NOT FL* to MA? anything else you might add? I'm just asking, since you're so clearly pro-life. please, have the floor.

To be fair, she did say she was, "far from pro-life, just anti-abortion."  Personally I am glad she made that distinction.  Most people don't, and think that "pro-life" actually means something in the anti-abortion context.  It doesn't. 

thanks for this, I honestly really haven't paid much attention to her posts after I realized she's a fucking idiot that just regurgitates FOX talking points. to be anti-abortion without being pro-life, just wow. and to be a woman holding those opinions, I just can't help but feel sorry for her. except that she still has a vote in this country, and that vote counts as much as yours or mine. and that pisses me off.

[tallguy]

Sept 18, 2022 15:47:28 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Sept 18, 2022 15:30:48 GMT -5 tallguy said:

To be fair, she did say she was, "far from pro-life, just anti-abortion."  Personally I am glad she made that distinction.  Most people don't, and think that "pro-life" actually means something in the anti-abortion context.  It doesn't. 

thanks for this, I honestly really haven't paid much attention to her posts after I realized she's a fucking idiot that just regurgitates FOX talking points. to be anti-abortion without being pro-life, just wow. and to be a woman holding those opinions, I just can't help but feel sorry for her. except that she still has a vote in this country, and that vote counts as much as yours or mine. and that pisses me off.

I'm actually not sure what you mean here.  "Pro-life" in the context of the abortion debate is a meaningless, nonsensical term made up by anti-abortion people to make themselves sound and feel better and more noble.  I would argue that the term should not be used anywhere in any context, so I am unclear on how to read your comment.

[chiver78]

Sept 18, 2022 15:58:28 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 18, 2022 15:47:28 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

thanks for this, I honestly really haven't paid much attention to her posts after I realized she's a fucking idiot that just regurgitates FOX talking points. to be anti-abortion without being pro-life, just wow. and to be a woman holding those opinions, I just can't help but feel sorry for her. except that she still has a vote in this country, and that vote counts as much as yours or mine. and that pisses me off.

I'm actually not sure what you mean here.  "Pro-life" in the context of the abortion debate is a meaningless, nonsensical term made up by anti-abortion people to make themselves sound and feel better and more noble.  I would argue that the term should not be used anywhere in any context, so I am unclear on how to read your comment.

I wholeheartedly concur with your assessment of the term. it's just usually that those who are the loudest anti-choice are generally also thumping their holy book of choice while claiming to be pro-life. and then they do everything possible to vote against anything remotely benefitting life. so again, not really surprising from this poster who places more value on her guns than human life. it's all political theater.

[moon/Laura]

Sept 18, 2022 12:39:32 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 18, 2022 10:31:50 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

So you're basically just pro controlling women? If you don't believe in abortion, don't get one. However your beliefs don't get to dictate my life. Fuck off.

I don't want to control anyone. I don't think of a fetus as a bunch of cells and its certainly not just to kill a baby because it's inconvenient. There should be a ban unless medically necessary or to ask a court for special permission such as rape. What makes you so high and mighty to dictate a baby's life. 

and what makes YOU so high and mighty that YOU think you should have any.fucking.say in what anyone other than yourself does with their body? It's none of your fucking business!!

And, by saying there should be a ban, you are, in fact, trying to control a LOT of people!!

[moon/Laura]

Also, I'd like to remind everyone that name calling and telling someone to F off is against the CoC. For those of you who have engaged in said activities, please go edit your posts.

~moon/Laura

[scgal]

Sept 18, 2022 15:24:20 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I generally avoid interacting with you, scgal , but I'm going to get in your face a little right now. what's your opinion of the Venezuelan migrants that just got dropped literally in my backyard? should they have been given housing and assistance? was DeSantis right in moving them from *NOT FL* to MA? anything else you might add? I'm just asking, since you're so clearly pro-life. please, have the floor.

If that is in my face you are one of the nicer ones lol. To be honest I really didn't think much about it one way or the other, but I guess looking at it I would have to say I can see Desantis position however misguided it was. I don't agree with it and the incident should be investigated if he broke the law. Yes they should be given food and shelter and held together until properly processed whatever that entails I don't know. For future reference I am NOT PRO-LIFE. 

[scgal]

Sept 19, 2022 14:29:51 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Sept 18, 2022 12:39:32 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't want to control anyone. I don't think of a fetus as a bunch of cells and its certainly not just to kill a baby because it's inconvenient. There should be a ban unless medically necessary or to ask a court for special permission such as rape. What makes you so high and mighty to dictate a baby's life. 

and what makes YOU so high and mighty that YOU think you should have any.fucking.say in what anyone other than yourself does with their body? It's none of your fucking business!!

And, by saying there should be a ban, you are, in fact, trying to control a LOT of people!!

Here is the difference you and many like you see the fetus as cells I see it as a baby no matter age to viability. Since that is a baby I think its criminal to abort unless it is confirmed dead or could kill the mother. So us / we women should not have a say. It should be no different than any other law. I don't consider it control at all. 

Now I will be clear before this reversal I mostly kept my opinions to myself I didn't go picket abortion clinics or get in anyone's face. Since it is reversed and people are going coo coo about it I will say what I feel. 

[chiver78]

Sept 19, 2022 19:09:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 18, 2022 15:24:20 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I generally avoid interacting with you, scgal , but I'm going to get in your face a little right now. what's your opinion of the Venezuelan migrants that just got dropped literally in my backyard? should they have been given housing and assistance? was DeSantis right in moving them from *NOT FL* to MA? anything else you might add? I'm just asking, since you're so clearly pro-life. please, have the floor.

If that is in my face you are one of the nicer ones lol. To be honest I really didn't think much about it one way or the other, but I guess looking at it I would have to say I can see Desantis position however misguided it was. I don't agree with it and the incident should be investigated if he broke the law. Yes they should be given food and shelter and held together until properly processed whatever that entails I don't know. For future reference I am NOT PRO-LIFE. 

nah, I'm just not that invested in much of what you have to say. if I gave a shit, you wouldn't think I was so nice. 🤷‍♀️

but, since I have your attention, would you mind clarifying your "NOT PRO LIFE" position that you've bolded and likely would have put glitter on, if the app allowed, and whatever it is that you call your opinion? thanks in advance.

[scgal]

Sept 18, 2022 16:05:43 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Sept 18, 2022 15:58:28 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I'm actually not sure what you mean here.  "Pro-life" in the context of the abortion debate is a meaningless, nonsensical term made up by anti-abortion people to make themselves sound and feel better and more noble.  I would argue that the term should not be used anywhere in any context, so I am unclear on how to read your comment.

I wholeheartedly concur with your assessment of the term. it's just usually that those who are the loudest anti-choice are generally also thumping their holy book of choice while claiming to be pro-life. and then they do everything possible to vote against anything remotely benefitting life. so again, not really surprising from this poster who places more value on her guns than human life. it's all political theater.

You have the wrong opinion. I don't value my guns more than human life. The value I have for my guns are monetary. My right to carry them is protected by the 2A and forget the milita crap the Supreme court already had the ruling. That right is what I value to protect my and my loved ones life. Well besides its fun to sport shoot

[scgal]

Sept 19, 2022 19:26:37 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Sept 19, 2022 19:09:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

If that is in my face you are one of the nicer ones lol. To be honest I really didn't think much about it one way or the other, but I guess looking at it I would have to say I can see Desantis position however misguided it was. I don't agree with it and the incident should be investigated if he broke the law. Yes they should be given food and shelter and held together until properly processed whatever that entails I don't know. For future reference I am NOT PRO-LIFE. 

nah, I'm just not that invested in much of what you have to say. if I gave a shit, you wouldn't think I was so nice. 🤷‍♀️

but, since I have your attention, would you mind clarifying your "NOT PRO LIFE" position that you've bolded and likely would have put glitter on, if the app allowed, and whatever it is that you call your opinion? thanks in advance.

I try to be nice no matter your ill opinion of me. I view pro-life means anti death I'm not I'm all for the death penalty. Hell I'm all for self euthanasia for the terminally ill. 

[chiver78]

my ill opinion of you is a result of how you present yourself, between your general disdain for anyone other than yourself or your gun rack, and your attitude when presented with actual evidence to disprove the garbage you put forth to back up your opinions. as if on cue, you come in with "My right to carry them is protected by the 2A and forget the milita crap" (sp error is not mine). I'd suggest you educate yourself on 2A, but we all know how well that will be received.

have yourself a nice night, as the universe and karma see fit. ✌️

[tallguy]

Sept 19, 2022 19:25:37 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 19, 2022 14:29:51 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

and what makes YOU so high and mighty that YOU think you should have any.fucking.say in what anyone other than yourself does with their body? It's none of your fucking business!!

And, by saying there should be a ban, you are, in fact, trying to control a LOT of people!!

Here is the difference you and many like you see the fetus as cells I see it as a baby no matter age to viability. Since that is a baby I think its criminal to abort unless it is confirmed dead or could kill the mother. So us / we women should not have a say. It should be no different than any other law. I don't consider it control at all. 

Now I will be clear before this reversal I mostly kept my opinions to myself I didn't go picket abortion clinics or get in anyone's face. Since it is reversed and people are going coo coo about it I will say what I feel. 

And again, that is FINE for you to think and believe.  It is NOT FINE to legislate based on that belief.  You can make whatever choice you wish FOR YOU PERSONALLY.  You can NOT in a free society make that choice for anyone else.  It is NOT a scientific or medical truth that an embryo or a fetus IS IN FACT a baby.  It is your belief, albeit one shared by many others.  But that is ALL it is, a BELIEF.  And NOBODY'S individual belief can EVER be used as the sole basis for law.  That should not be difficult to understand.  

Just come out and say it:  You think your beliefs should take precedence over anyone else's rights.

[moon/Laura]

Things like this are exactly why there's supposed to be separation between church and state. The "Christian" church/religion/beliefs are not everyone else's, nor are they better/more important than anyone else's. So why the fuck "Christians" think they rule (or should rule) this nation is beyond me.

I phrased it "Christian" because most don't actually walk the walk...

[NastyWoman]

Sept 19, 2022 19:30:53 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 18, 2022 16:05:43 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I wholeheartedly concur with your assessment of the term. it's just usually that those who are the loudest anti-choice are generally also thumping their holy book of choice while claiming to be pro-life. and then they do everything possible to vote against anything remotely benefitting life. so again, not really surprising from this poster who places more value on her guns than human life. it's all political theater.

You have the wrong opinion. I don't value my guns more than human life. The value I have for my guns are monetary. My right to carry them is protected by the 2A and forget the milita crap the Supreme court already had the ruling. That right is what I value to protect my and my loved ones life. Well besides its fun to sport shoot

Well, considering the subject of this thread I will posit that the fact the SC already "had the ruling" means less than shit. Just saying...

[pulmonarymd]

All these conservatives need to be careful. Precedents can be overturned as we can see. Maybe we can pack ghe Supreme Court with justices who can understand the entire second amendment and overturn the stupidity.

Since we do not have uo pay heed to precedents s as my more if we think they are wrong. Not like any of us can ask ghe founding fathers what ghe meant anyway

[billisonboard]

Sept 1, 2022 21:06:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

While the whole article irks me, I'm only quoting part of the article which really irks me.  I have heard of not prosecuting women who get an abortion but prosecuting the doctor from other states which have banned abortion.

Oklahoma AG urges prosecution for performing an abortion

Republican Attorney General John O'Connor, a fierce opponent of abortion, issued guidance for law enforcement and prosecutors on how to navigate the state's new anti-abortion laws, which make it a felony to perform an abortion in the state.



O'Connor emphasized that Oklahoma's criminal and civil anti-abortion laws do not apply to pregnant women who have an abortion, or to unintentional miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies or the use of contraception, including Plan B and other emergency contraceptives.



“None of our laws — civil or criminal — punish the mother in connection with an abortion,” O’Connor said in a statement.

Oklahoma AG urges prosecution for performing an abortion


I have never understood prosecuting only the doctor who performs an abortion but not prosecuting the woman who sought out the doctor to perform the abortion. It is akin to someone paying someone else to murder a third party and punishing only the person who committed the murder but not the person who sought out someone to commit murder and paying them to do so.  Can someone explain to me why these anti-abortion states prosecute only the medical field and not the woman seeking an abortion?

Having said that, I believe a woman has a right to determine what is best for herself.  The state has no business getting in the middle of a woman and her physician.

These male politicians are pushing for women who receive abortions to be punished with prison time

In Texas, five male lawmakers authored a bill last year that would have made getting an abortion punishable by the death penalty if it had gone into law.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 20, 2022 8:22:55 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 1, 2022 21:06:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

While the whole article irks me, I'm only quoting part of the article which really irks me.  I have heard of not prosecuting women who get an abortion but prosecuting the doctor from other states which have banned abortion.

Oklahoma AG urges prosecution for performing an abortion

Oklahoma AG urges prosecution for performing an abortion


I have never understood prosecuting only the doctor who performs an abortion but not prosecuting the woman who sought out the doctor to perform the abortion. It is akin to someone paying someone else to murder a third party and punishing only the person who committed the murder but not the person who sought out someone to commit murder and paying them to do so.  Can someone explain to me why these anti-abortion states prosecute only the medical field and not the woman seeking an abortion?

Having said that, I believe a woman has a right to determine what is best for herself.  The state has no business getting in the middle of a woman and her physician.

These male politicians are pushing for women who receive abortions to be punished with prison time

In Texas, five male lawmakers authored a bill last year that would have made getting an abortion punishable by the death penalty if it had gone into law.

Congress needs to codify abortion rights. Some of these conservative states are over the top with their proposals to penalize women and their doctors.