Roe vs Wade Overturned!

[saveinla]

Jul 14, 2022 20:30:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Americans United for Life CEO gets called out for claiming a 10-year-old terminating a pregnancy is 'not an abortion'

With the U.S. Supreme Court having overturned Roe v. Wade after 49 years, the United States no longer has a national standard on abortion rights, but rather, a wide range of state laws — and on July 1, the Indianapolis Star reported that a ten-year-old Ohio girl had an abortion in Indianapolis, Indiana because of abortion restrictions in her own state. Other media outlets reported that she was allegedly raped, and on July 13, the Columbus Dispatch reported that a man had been arrested and charged in the case.

Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California, during a July 14 hearing, discussed the case with anti-abortion activist Catherine Glenn Foster, president and CEO of Americans United for Life — and Foster denied, much to Swallwell’s shock, that the pregnancy’s termination qualified as an abortion.

When Foster was asked if a “ten-year-old” would “choose to carry a baby,” Foster responded, “I believe it would probably impact her life. And so therefore, it would fall under any exception and would not be an abortion.”

Sounding shocked by her response, Swalwell interjected, “Wait, it would not be an abortion if a ten-year-old, with her parents, made a decision not to have a baby that was the result of a rape?”

Foster replied, “If a ten-year-old became pregnant as a result of rape and it was threatening her life, then that’s not an abortion. So, it would not fall under any abortion restriction in our nation.”

Swalwell directed his next question to another witness at the hearing, Sarah Warbelow, legal director of the Human Rights Campaign — asking her, “Miss Warbelow, are you familiar with disinformation?.... Did you just hear some disinformation?”

Warbelow responded, “Yes, I heard some very significant disinformation…. An abortion is a procedure; it’s a medical procedure that individuals undergo for a wide range of circumstances, including because they have been sexually assaulted — raped in the case of the ten-year-old. It doesn’t matter whether or not there is a statutory exemption; it is still a medical procedure that is understood to be an abortion. Beyond that, I think it’s also important to note that there is no exception for the life or the health of the mother in the Ohio law. That’s why that ten-year-old had to cross state lines in order to receive an abortion.”

Far-right MAGA Republican Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio has claimed, in a tweet that he deleted, that reporting on the ten-year-old was a “lie,” and Swalwell called him out for it during the hearing.

“Speaking of disinformation,” Swalwell told Warbelow, “Jim Jordan called a ten-year-old rape victim a liar…. I know that he did that because he hates the president…. This law…. will bring us government-mandated pregnancies for ten-year-olds.”

Americans United for Life CEO gets called out for claiming a 10-year-old terminating a pregnancy is 'not an abortion'

This is the twitter thread that has the video - listen to that woman and her thinking-

[finnime]

I think we should get together and protest en masse. Send each of these politicians and lobbyists who insist abortion must be outlawed a raw egg every time they make a public statement or take action, such as voting for banning abortion. One egg, not a big impact. But everyone? And every time? Maybe, just maybe, it will ring a bell if not for the pol then for their staffers.

[thyme4change]

How do you send someone a raw egg?

[billisonboard]

Jul 15, 2022 8:57:21 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

How do you send someone a raw egg?

Overhand.

[moon/Laura]

Jul 15, 2022 9:06:23 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 15, 2022 8:57:21 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

How do you send someone a raw egg?

Overhand.

extra points if it's rotten

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

I saw a link to this article and had to borrow another’s subscription to WSJ to read.  

The article was later retracted when they arrested the rapist, but what it boiled down to is that because a few people that they contacted about it knew nothing, or said nothing, it was fake.  When the guy who raped the 10 year old was arrested, they backpedaled.  You kinda think that someone is going to discuss an on going case like this with the media (involving medical care, a 10 year old and rape)?  Then if you think about the vast majority of rapists who never get caught, it’s even more infuriating.  If there was no arrest, 8 doubt there’d be a retraction.

If you can find it, read…..and feel your BP rise.

www.wsj.com/articles/an-abortion-story-too-good-to-confirm-joe-biden-ten-year-old-girl-indiana-ohio-caitlin-bernard-11657648618?mod=opinion_trending_now_opn_pos4 

[weltschmerz]

Jul 15, 2022 3:49:24 GMT -5 finnime said:

I think we should get together and protest en masse. Send each of these politicians and lobbyists who insist abortion must be outlawed a raw egg every time they make a public statement or take action, such as voting for banning abortion. One egg, not a big impact. But everyone? And every time? Maybe, just maybe, it will ring a bell if not for the pol then for their staffers.

Raw egg? Why not a bag of dog poop?

[teen persuasion]

Jul 15, 2022 12:42:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jul 15, 2022 3:49:24 GMT -5 finnime said:

I think we should get together and protest en masse. Send each of these politicians and lobbyists who insist abortion must be outlawed a raw egg every time they make a public statement or take action, such as voting for banning abortion. One egg, not a big impact. But everyone? And every time? Maybe, just maybe, it will ring a bell if not for the pol then for their staffers.

Raw egg? Why not a bag of dog poop?

Might be a spin on another suggestion I heard: whenever a politician (who insists fetus = baby) ordered chicken, give them an egg.  It's equivalent, right?

[weltschmerz]

Jul 15, 2022 13:16:35 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Jul 15, 2022 12:42:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Raw egg? Why not a bag of dog poop?

Might be a spin on another suggestion I heard: whenever a politician (who insists fetus = baby) ordered chicken, give them an egg.  It's equivalent, right?

Well. these new laws are shit, no?
Ergo, the dog shit.

[nidena]

The Indiana AG is a prize winning specimen...

Indiana AG says state will look at license of doctor who provided abortion to 10-year-old rape victim

[finnime]

An egg for that AG! I hope the physician suffers no problems from his interference.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jul 15, 2022 13:16:35 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Jul 15, 2022 12:42:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Raw egg? Why not a bag of dog poop?

Might be a spin on another suggestion I heard: whenever a politician (who insists fetus = baby) ordered chicken, give them an egg.  It's equivalent, right?

To be more specific, they should be served an egg with a visible little chicken embryo in it.

[Opti]

I like the sign on the right.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Just because she got pregnant doesn't mean a 10 year old is remotely developed enough to give birth. Women can often start ovulating long before we can carry a baby to term.
Just b you have a period does not mean you're body is ready to carry a baby.

These sicko want to sacrifice a baby for a baby. A baby who quite likely wouldn't survive itself.

Do the people who drank the Kool-aid actually hear what they are supporting or are they too bust being happy they finally stuck it to women and are now eagerly awaiting sticking it to the LBGTQ community?

This 10 year old and her story should horrifying us. We should be reacting like Ireland did.

But we won't. We are well on our way to be a shithole country but they won't see it. We're different this is Christianity. They are picked by God to make us a great nation. We have nothing in common with Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 17, 2022 9:26:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Just because she got pregnant doesn't mean a 10 year old is remotely developed enough to give birth. Women can often start ovulating long before we can carry a baby to term.
Just b you have a period does not mean you're body is ready to carry a baby.

These sicko want to sacrifice a baby for a baby. A baby who quite likely wouldn't survive itself.

Do the people who drank the Kool-aid actually hear what they are supporting or are they too bust being happy they finally stuck it to women and are now eagerly awaiting sticking it to the LBGTQ community?

This 10 year old and her story should horrifying us. We should be reacting like Ireland did.

But we won't. We are well on our way to be a shithole country but they won't see it. We're different this is Christianity. They are picked by God to make us a great nation. We have nothing in common with Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

A ten year old girl (or boy) is not old enough (by many years) to legally adopt and raise a child. So why would the state force the child to bear and raise a child?

And besides...

Greene Calls Non-Biological Parents 'Fake' Amid Post-Roe Adoption Push

[Opti]

Jul 17, 2022 10:10:34 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 17, 2022 9:26:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Just because she got pregnant doesn't mean a 10 year old is remotely developed enough to give birth. Women can often start ovulating long before we can carry a baby to term.
Just b you have a period does not mean you're body is ready to carry a baby.

These sicko want to sacrifice a baby for a baby. A baby who quite likely wouldn't survive itself.

Do the people who drank the Kool-aid actually hear what they are supporting or are they too bust being happy they finally stuck it to women and are now eagerly awaiting sticking it to the LBGTQ community?

This 10 year old and her story should horrifying us. We should be reacting like Ireland did.

But we won't. We are well on our way to be a shithole country but they won't see it. We're different this is Christianity. They are picked by God to make us a great nation. We have nothing in common with Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

A ten year old girl (or boy) is not old enough (by many years) to legally adopt and raise a child. So why would the state force the child to bear and raise a child?

And besides...

Greene Calls Non-Biological Parents 'Fake' Amid Post-Roe Adoption Push

She definitely knows how to pull from Trump's playbook, "How to screw over your political party ... off the cuff talking points".

[djAdvocate]

Jul 17, 2022 10:43:29 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 17, 2022 10:10:34 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

A ten year old girl (or boy) is not old enough (by many years) to legally adopt and raise a child. So why would the state force the child to bear and raise a child?

And besides...

Greene Calls Non-Biological Parents 'Fake' Amid Post-Roe Adoption Push

She definitely knows how to pull from Trump's playbook, "How to screw over your political party ... off the cuff talking points".

we need to make sure she is in charge of the party platform.  

[billisonboard]

Jul 17, 2022 14:51:37 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 17, 2022 10:43:29 GMT -5 Opti said:

She definitely knows how to pull from Trump's playbook, "How to screw over your political party ... off the cuff talking points".

we need to make sure she is in charge of the party platform.  

Think they will have one in 2024 (unlike 2020 Why Republicans didn’t write a platform for their convention this year)?

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 17, 2022 14:56:26 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 17, 2022 14:51:37 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

we need to make sure she is in charge of the party platform.  

Think they will have one in 2024 (unlike 2020 Why Republicans didn’t write a platform for their convention this year)?

Not if trump is the nominee

[thyme4change]

Jul 17, 2022 10:10:34 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 17, 2022 9:26:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Just because she got pregnant doesn't mean a 10 year old is remotely developed enough to give birth. Women can often start ovulating long before we can carry a baby to term.
Just b you have a period does not mean you're body is ready to carry a baby.

These sicko want to sacrifice a baby for a baby. A baby who quite likely wouldn't survive itself.

Do the people who drank the Kool-aid actually hear what they are supporting or are they too bust being happy they finally stuck it to women and are now eagerly awaiting sticking it to the LBGTQ community?

This 10 year old and her story should horrifying us. We should be reacting like Ireland did.

But we won't. We are well on our way to be a shithole country but they won't see it. We're different this is Christianity. They are picked by God to make us a great nation. We have nothing in common with Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

A ten year old girl (or boy) is not old enough (by many years) to legally adopt and raise a child. So why would the state force the child to bear and raise a child?

And besides...

Greene Calls Non-Biological Parents 'Fake' Amid Post-Roe Adoption Push

She is an attention whore. She doesn't care as long as she gets the clicks.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 17, 2022 9:26:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Just because she got pregnant doesn't mean a 10 year old is remotely developed enough to give birth. Women can often start ovulating long before we can carry a baby to term.
Just b you have a period does not mean you're body is ready to carry a baby.

These sicko want to sacrifice a baby for a baby. A baby who quite likely wouldn't survive itself.

Do the people who drank the Kool-aid actually hear what they are supporting or are they too bust being happy they finally stuck it to women and are now eagerly awaiting sticking it to the LBGTQ community?

This 10 year old and her story should horrifying us. We should be reacting like Ireland did.

But we won't. We are well on our way to be a shithole country but they won't see it. We're different this is Christianity. They are picked by God to make us a great nation. We have nothing in common with Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

in a more enlightened time, this was considered a work of satire:

[haapai]

Jul 17, 2022 10:10:34 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 17, 2022 9:26:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Just because she got pregnant doesn't mean a 10 year old is remotely developed enough to give birth. Women can often start ovulating long before we can carry a baby to term.
Just b you have a period does not mean you're body is ready to carry a baby.

These sicko want to sacrifice a baby for a baby. A baby who quite likely wouldn't survive itself.

Do the people who drank the Kool-aid actually hear what they are supporting or are they too bust being happy they finally stuck it to women and are now eagerly awaiting sticking it to the LBGTQ community?

This 10 year old and her story should horrifying us. We should be reacting like Ireland did.

But we won't. We are well on our way to be a shithole country but they won't see it. We're different this is Christianity. They are picked by God to make us a great nation. We have nothing in common with Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

A ten year old girl (or boy) is not old enough (by many years) to legally adopt and raise a child. So why would the state force the child to bear and raise a child?

And besides...

Greene Calls Non-Biological Parents 'Fake' Amid Post-Roe Adoption Push

Insane!  Just so wrong!  Can you get the sense that this is all about kicking down?  Why can't people just feel the cruelty and judgement percolating off folks like this and just run away? 

[thyme4change]

Remember the scene in handmaid tale where they took the captain out to the woods and all the escaped handmaids were there waiting for him? Is that what it is going to take?

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2022 9:26:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

This 10 year old and her story should horrifying us. We should be reacting like Ireland did.

But we won't. We are well on our way to be a shithole country but they won't see it. We're different this is Christianity. They are picked by God to make us a great nation. We have nothing in common with Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

Please don't label all Christians the same way.  My denomination considers abortion to be unfortunate but a matter of personal conscience.  Our priest mentioned that his wife, also a priest, is VERY upset about the SC decision.  The zero-abortion attitude is religious extremism.

Two more results that follow from these laws:  a St. Louis Post-dispatch editorial last week noted that we better prepare to treat women who develop septicemia after abortions since many will resort to whatever crude measures they can access.  They will, of course, be over-represented by the poor and the desperate.  A pediatric neurosurgeon interviewed on NPR after publishing his memoirs was asked about the implications of overturning Roe vs. Wade:  his own niece (who gave her permission to tell her story) conceived a child whose brain was being formed in a sac outside its body.  These children may live to adulthood but will be in constant pain, won't be able to see or hear and must be tube-fed.  They may be able to operate a wheel chair with head controls.  She chose to terminate the pregnancy.  In those tragic circumstances, I would, too.  He pointed out that we as a society will have to bear the costs of taking care of these children.

But hey, I'm sure that the "pro-life" people will adopt them.

[thyme4change]

Jul 18, 2022 16:14:25 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Jul 17, 2022 9:26:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

This 10 year old and her story should horrifying us. We should be reacting like Ireland did.

But we won't. We are well on our way to be a shithole country but they won't see it. We're different this is Christianity. They are picked by God to make us a great nation. We have nothing in common with Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

Please don't label all Christians the same way.  My denomination considers abortion to be unfortunate but a matter of personal conscience.  Our priest mentioned that his wife, also a priest, is VERY upset about the SC decision.  The zero-abortion attitude is religious extremism.

Two more results that follow from these laws:  a St. Louis Post-dispatch editorial last week noted that we better prepare to treat women who develop septicemia after abortions since many will resort to whatever crude measures they can access.  They will, of course, be over-represented by the poor and the desperate.  A pediatric neurosurgeon interviewed on NPR after publishing his memoirs was asked about the implications of overturning Roe vs. Wade:  his own niece (who gave her permission to tell her story) conceived a child whose brain was being formed in a sac outside its body.  These children may live to adulthood but will be in constant pain, won't be able to see or hear and must be tube-fed.  They may be able to operate a wheel chair with head controls.  She chose to terminate the pregnancy.  In those tragic circumstances, I would, too.  He pointed out that we as a society will have to bear the costs of taking care of these children.

But hey, I'm sure that the "pro-life" people will adopt them.

Unfortunately, until your brand of Christianity gets loud enough to drown out the "Religious in name only" Christians that are out there being assholes, you will be represented by them. It might be easier to get away from the name Christians all together - go with Jesusers or something.

[busymom]

I'm thinking we should rebrand the "Christians" who are ok with 10-year-olds having babies.  Maybe call them "Trumpians", or something...


For the record, I was raised Christian, and even my Dad was prochoice.  I remember him getting mad at a Catholic friend who called pregnancy after rape "God's will".  He strongly disagreed.  So do I.

[thyme4change]

Jul 18, 2022 16:42:07 GMT -5 busymom said:

I'm thinking we should rebrand the "Christians" who are ok with 10-year-olds having babies.  Maybe call them "Trumpians", or something...


For the record, I was raised Christian, and even my Dad was prochoice.  I remember him getting mad at a Catholic friend who called pregnancy after rape "God's will".  He strongly disagreed.  So do I.

I like RINO - religious in name only.

Maybe we could call them CINO - Christian in name only.

[raeoflyte]

Jul 18, 2022 16:35:58 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 18, 2022 16:14:25 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Please don't label all Christians the same way.  My denomination considers abortion to be unfortunate but a matter of personal conscience.  Our priest mentioned that his wife, also a priest, is VERY upset about the SC decision.  The zero-abortion attitude is religious extremism.

Two more results that follow from these laws:  a St. Louis Post-dispatch editorial last week noted that we better prepare to treat women who develop septicemia after abortions since many will resort to whatever crude measures they can access.  They will, of course, be over-represented by the poor and the desperate.  A pediatric neurosurgeon interviewed on NPR after publishing his memoirs was asked about the implications of overturning Roe vs. Wade:  his own niece (who gave her permission to tell her story) conceived a child whose brain was being formed in a sac outside its body.  These children may live to adulthood but will be in constant pain, won't be able to see or hear and must be tube-fed.  They may be able to operate a wheel chair with head controls.  She chose to terminate the pregnancy.  In those tragic circumstances, I would, too.  He pointed out that we as a society will have to bear the costs of taking care of these children.

But hey, I'm sure that the "pro-life" people will adopt them.

Unfortunately, until your brand of Christianity gets loud enough to drown out the "Religious in name only" Christians that are out there being assholes, you will be represented by them. It might be easier to get away from the name Christians all together - go with Jesusers or something.

I agree so much with this. Instead of trying to defend beliefs, Christians who feel misrepresented should be fighting like hell to change that narrative.

[Opti]

Jul 18, 2022 17:10:42 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 18, 2022 16:42:07 GMT -5 busymom said:

I'm thinking we should rebrand the "Christians" who are ok with 10-year-olds having babies.  Maybe call them "Trumpians", or something...


For the record, I was raised Christian, and even my Dad was prochoice.  I remember him getting mad at a Catholic friend who called pregnancy after rape "God's will".  He strongly disagreed.  So do I.

I like RINO - religious in name only.

Maybe we could call them CINO - Christian in name only.

I've used CINO before. I like it. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 18, 2022 16:14:25 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Jul 17, 2022 9:26:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

This 10 year old and her story should horrifying us. We should be reacting like Ireland did.

But we won't. We are well on our way to be a shithole country but they won't see it. We're different this is Christianity. They are picked by God to make us a great nation. We have nothing in common with Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

Please don't label all Christians the same way.  My denomination considers abortion to be unfortunate but a matter of personal conscience.  Our priest mentioned that his wife, also a priest, is VERY upset about the SC decision.  The zero-abortion attitude is religious extremism.

Two more results that follow from these laws:  a St. Louis Post-dispatch editorial last week noted that we better prepare to treat women who develop septicemia after abortions since many will resort to whatever crude measures they can access.  They will, of course, be over-represented by the poor and the desperate.  A pediatric neurosurgeon interviewed on NPR after publishing his memoirs was asked about the implications of overturning Roe vs. Wade:  his own niece (who gave her permission to tell her story) conceived a child whose brain was being formed in a sac outside its body.  These children may live to adulthood but will be in constant pain, won't be able to see or hear and must be tube-fed.  They may be able to operate a wheel chair with head controls.  She chose to terminate the pregnancy.  In those tragic circumstances, I would, too.  He pointed out that we as a society will have to bear the costs of taking care of these children.

But hey, I'm sure that the "pro-life" people will adopt them.

This seems to be the exception, not the rule.