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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 14, 2022 7:48:46 GMT -5
I’m guessing it wasn’t that they thought she consented/wasn’t raped. It was that they thought she didn’t exist at all and her story was being made up for political points (kind of like the prolific “welfare queen driving a Cadillac and eating crab legs” urban legend). The thing that was ridiculous about the argument that seemed to be “I don’t know about it so therefore it must not exist” is that I would think the state attorney general doesn’t get every case in Ohio run through his office. If he did, that would mean that the local people aren’t doing their jobs and they would get bogged down quickly. Jaywalking in Akron? Call the AG. Speeding in Columbus? Call the AG. Burglarizing a store in Dayton? Call the AG. The fact that this guy (the AG) thinks something doesn’t exist just because he doesn’t know about it, is scary. Someone that ignorant and not self aware shouldn’t be in charge of anything. I especially liked how the media was saying it doesn’t exist because they don’t have the girl’s information. The doctor can’t give the info out under HIPAA and the media has no right (ethically) to have her information so they can invade her privacy. I'm going to pretend they thought she didn't really exist since they love thinking everything is false if it displeases their snowflake selves. According to the article I posted the attack was brutal. Most 10 yr old girls are going to have a hard time defending themselves against an adult male. If they are pregnant and 15 or less, it should be deemed rape and finding the attacker should be less important than further traumatizing the child by forcing her to carry her attackers child and risk more physical and emotional damage. Having sex with a 10 year old is rape period regardless of whether or not she could "fight him off". She is a minor and cannot consent. Period. I'm guessing Republicans are playing the "Sandy Hook" angle with this case and would have eventually started claiming she was an actor who later disappeared into witness protection so liberals could hide the truth. At this point there is no way Republicans could sink any lower. This case should be a wake up call that none of this is about actually protecting women and girls. It's about protecting men and their privilege. Republicans will turn a blind eye to a 10 year old being raped so long as it cements their hold on the nation. These are times where I hope there is a God and when these people die they get a hell of a rude awakening.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 14, 2022 10:11:35 GMT -5
What I don’t understand is how anybody can claim that the 10 yo wasn’t raped. DCF had to have a record of the report once she was seen by s physician, as physicians are mandatory reporters, and a pregnant 10 yo is a situation where you must suspect child abuse. In addition, if teachers knew she was pregnant, they must also report it. Do, all these Republicans who are starting anything to the contrary are horrible human beings. Unless they believe a 10 yo can consent to sex I’m guessing it wasn’t that they thought she consented/wasn’t raped. It was that they thought she didn’t exist at all and her story was being made up for political points (kind of like the prolific “welfare queen driving a Cadillac and eating crab legs” urban legend). The thing that was ridiculous about the argument that seemed to be “I don’t know about it so therefore it must not exist” I especially liked how the media was saying it doesn’t exist because they don’t have the girl’s information. The doctor can’t give the info out under HIPAA and the media has no right (ethically) to have her information so they can invade her privacy. If Handmaid's tale is a predictor, HIPAA will be declared unconstitutional and everyone's pregnancy status and menstrual cycles will be public "for the good of the nation".
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Post by movingforward on Jul 14, 2022 11:59:15 GMT -5
I heard about this on the radio this morning. I liked it!
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Post by moon/Laura on Jul 14, 2022 12:27:44 GMT -5
I heard about this on the radio this morning. I liked it! There's a separate thread on it, I think. All I can say is good for her.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 14, 2022 12:52:59 GMT -5
And if the parents are the ones doing the abusing? Seriously? This is ridiculous.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 14, 2022 13:08:28 GMT -5
Jim Jordan re-tweeted the Attorney general’s claim, then quickly deleted it. Hey Jim, this happened in your home state. Surely you have good contacts there that could have help you avoid looking like an asshole if you made a tiny bit of an effort. Or is owning the libs that important, and being an ass is the point. I would think that after what you went through(and denying it even happened), you would understand the need to get facts right. One can dream, can’t ghey it shows where his priorities lie. he would rather doubt the victim than trust the facts.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 14, 2022 14:38:36 GMT -5
investigating the doctors? what about the guy that raped her? smfh
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 14, 2022 14:39:22 GMT -5
Maybe When the legislators families lose their doctors they will start to understand. Unfortunately, that will take time. As I said earlier, if I was these doctors I would be voting with my feet
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 14, 2022 14:41:43 GMT -5
investigating the doctors? what about the guy that raped her? smfh Different state, not their problem. I suspect a report in her home state was already made. Parents still make medical decisions for their minor children. Doubt anything illegal went on. This is all performative. But still will cause major disruption in these physicians lives
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 14, 2022 14:52:21 GMT -5
investigating the doctors? what about the guy that raped her? smfh Different state, not their problem. I suspect a report in her home state was already made. Parents still make medical decisions for their minor children. Doubt anything illegal went on. This is all performative. But still will cause major disruption in these physicians lives yes, I understand it's a different state. but look at the quote. the abortion appears in the statement as a public interest before any mention of abuse or her parents. it's quite clear what the priority is.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 14, 2022 14:57:10 GMT -5
Different state, not their problem. I suspect a report in her home state was already made. Parents still make medical decisions for their minor children. Doubt anything illegal went on. This is all performative. But still will cause major disruption in these physicians lives yes, I understand it's a different state. but look at the quote. the abortion appears in the statement as a public interest before any mention of abuse or her parents. it's quite clear what the priority is. As I said, they do not believe that is their problem. So they do not care about that part. You do not have to understand their mind set, but that is clearly all they care about
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 14, 2022 15:08:54 GMT -5
yes, I understand it's a different state. but look at the quote. the abortion appears in the statement as a public interest before any mention of abuse or her parents. it's quite clear what the priority is. As I said, they do not believe that is their problem. So they do not care about that part. You do not have to understand their mind set, but that is clearly all they care about I'm sorry, but rape of a child is everyone's problem. and if they don't see it that way, then there's a special circle of hell waiting for them when they die. but somehow I'm a snowflake.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 14, 2022 16:53:04 GMT -5
As I said, they do not believe that is their problem. So they do not care about that part. You do not have to understand their mind set, but that is clearly all they care about I'm sorry, but rape of a child is everyone's problem. and if they don't see it that way, then there's a special circle of hell waiting for them when they die. but somehow I'm a snowflake. They were willing to claim it was a hoax. You think they have a conscience?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 14, 2022 17:12:12 GMT -5
Of course they did. They won’t have to deal with the consequences, so it is easy for them to say it
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 14, 2022 17:15:00 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but rape of a child is everyone's problem. and if they don't see it that way, then there's a special circle of hell waiting for them when they die. but somehow I'm a snowflake. They were willing to claim it was a hoax. You think they have a conscience? touche. I'll reserve my commentary for the voters that approve of this shit.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 14, 2022 17:59:01 GMT -5
I don't want these assholes to wait till death for them to burn.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 14, 2022 18:22:58 GMT -5
Thinking someone needs to look into the types running these things. No normal person could truly believe a 10 year old should be forced to give birth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 18:27:41 GMT -5
Several years ago, I was talking to 2 on duty police officers. The first one told me about how when he is out in the city doing his job and just talking to people, he has learned that more women have a “story” than he ever imagined would be true. His partner walked up during our conversation and agreed that many, many women he’s talked to as a police officer, have a story that includes sexual abuse. Between the 2 officers, I got the impression that more women, especially in the inner city, had those type of stories, than not.
I did not doubt what they said, because I know stories of sexual abuse, myself. One of the stories I know, is mine. I would never speak on the other stories I know, because those aren’t my stories to tell.
It is shameful and a lot of other bad words, to insist that a woman that has been a victim of rape, incest, or other types of sexual abuse, give birth to a baby that was conceived under those circumstances. And anyone that thinks it’s okay to insist that is a horrible person and can go straight to hell as far as I’m concerned.
It is difficult enough for a woman or girl to try to get herself together after being victimized sexually, and imo, it is way too much to ask for a woman to raise and love a child conceived due to sexual assault.
It really makes me mad knowing that people insist those girls and women must continue those kind of pregnancies and give birth. If I was the ruler of everything, and had the power to do so, I would make everyone that thinks that’s ok suffer for a while, then die.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2022 18:33:25 GMT -5
Thinking someone needs to look into the types running these things. No normal person could truly believe a 10 year old should be forced to give birth. His marbles apparently have left the building. It cannot be healthy for a 10 yr old to carry to term plus I would think the baby would suffer above average risks as well. From the article- Jim Bopp, an Indiana lawyer who authored the model legislation in advance of the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade, told POLITICO on Thursday that his law only provides exceptions when the pregnant person’s life is in danger.
“She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said in a phone interview on Thursday.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 14, 2022 18:57:10 GMT -5
I hope he gets accosted by a large man who sodomizes him in a non-consensual and aggravated manner, so violently that he has to have multiple surgeries over the course of several years to repair his rectum. And I hope that every single person he tells about it asks him what he was wearing, and/or why was he in that part of town.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 14, 2022 19:30:58 GMT -5
Thinking someone needs to look into the types running these things. No normal person could truly believe a 10 year old should be forced to give birth. His marbles apparently have left the building. It cannot be healthy for a 10 yr old to carry to term plus I would think the baby would suffer above average risks as well. From the article- Jim Bopp, an Indiana lawyer who authored the model legislation in advance of the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade, told POLITICO on Thursday that his law only provides exceptions when the pregnant person’s life is in danger.
“She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said in a phone interview on Thursday.I’m sorry, I’m not a doctor, but is a 10 year old constructed in a way that would allow her to carry the baby to term and safely deliver it? I felt like I was delivering a watermelon and I was a fully grown woman. Isn’t everything too small? Or would the baby end up being premature and tiny? This can’t possibly have much chance of ending up with a healthy mom and baby. I hope everyone is paying attention to the right to life people casually letting this ten year old suffer in order to protect an unborn child who may not even have a good chance of survival. It’s clear that fetuses trump existing kids for them.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jul 14, 2022 19:59:51 GMT -5
Thinking someone needs to look into the types running these things. No normal person could truly believe a 10 year old should be forced to give birth. His marbles apparently have left the building. It cannot be healthy for a 10 yr old to carry to term plus I would think the baby would suffer above average risks as well. From the article- Jim Bopp, an Indiana lawyer who authored the model legislation in advance of the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade, told POLITICO on Thursday that his law only provides exceptions when the pregnant person’s life is in danger.
“She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said in a phone interview on Thursday.That is some scary stuff. Who is supposed to take care of the new baby? The 10 year old mom? We don’t let 10 year olds baby sit newborns so why do we think it would be safe for one to be responsible for one 24-7? I’m guessing if I left a 10 year old in charge of my newborn for a few hours, I would get arrested for child neglect. But yet she is supposed to be able to be responsible for one? How does she get the baby food snd shelter (she can’t work) or to medical appts? Strap it on the back of her Barbie bike?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 14, 2022 20:10:16 GMT -5
His marbles apparently have left the building. It cannot be healthy for a 10 yr old to carry to term plus I would think the baby would suffer above average risks as well. From the article- Jim Bopp, an Indiana lawyer who authored the model legislation in advance of the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade, told POLITICO on Thursday that his law only provides exceptions when the pregnant person’s life is in danger.
“She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said in a phone interview on Thursday.That is some scary stuff. Who is supposed to take care of the new baby? The 10 year old mom? We don’t let 10 year olds baby sit newborns so why do we think it would be safe for one to be responsible for one 24-7? I’m guessing if I left a 10 year old in charge of my newborn for a few hours, I would get arrested for child neglect. But yet she is supposed to be able to be responsible for one? How does she get the baby food snd shelter (she can’t work) or to medical appts? Strap it on the back of her Barbie bike? S as he is a brood mare for an infertile couple. The child can be put up for adoption. A win/win for everyone
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 14, 2022 20:22:22 GMT -5
His marbles apparently have left the building. It cannot be healthy for a 10 yr old to carry to term plus I would think the baby would suffer above average risks as well. From the article- Jim Bopp, an Indiana lawyer who authored the model legislation in advance of the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade, told POLITICO on Thursday that his law only provides exceptions when the pregnant person’s life is in danger.
“She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said in a phone interview on Thursday.That is some scary stuff. Who is supposed to take care of the new baby? The 10 year old mom? We don’t let 10 year olds baby sit newborns so why do we think it would be safe for one to be responsible for one 24-7? I’m guessing if I left a 10 year old in charge of my newborn for a few hours, I would get arrested for child neglect. But yet she is supposed to be able to be responsible for one? How does she get the baby food snd shelter (she can’t work) or to medical appts? Strap it on the back of her Barbie bike? You do what they did in the good old days. Parents raise the baby as her brother. Then it all comes out later when the kid buys a 23 & me kit. These people are delusional. They don't give an actual shit about the 10 year old or the baby. She's to be sacrificed in the name of principal.
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Americans United for Life CEO gets called out for claiming a 10-year-old terminating a pregnancy is 'not an abortion'With the U.S. Supreme Court having overturned Roe v. Wade after 49 years, the United States no longer has a national standard on abortion rights, but rather, a wide range of state laws — and on July 1, the Indianapolis Star reported that a ten-year-old Ohio girl had an abortion in Indianapolis, Indiana because of abortion restrictions in her own state. Other media outlets reported that she was allegedly raped, and on July 13, the Columbus Dispatch reported that a man had been arrested and charged in the case. Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California, during a July 14 hearing, discussed the case with anti-abortion activist Catherine Glenn Foster, president and CEO of Americans United for Life — and Foster denied, much to Swallwell’s shock, that the pregnancy’s termination qualified as an abortion. When Foster was asked if a “ten-year-old” would “choose to carry a baby,” Foster responded, “I believe it would probably impact her life. And so therefore, it would fall under any exception and would not be an abortion.” Sounding shocked by her response, Swalwell interjected, “Wait, it would not be an abortion if a ten-year-old, with her parents, made a decision not to have a baby that was the result of a rape?” Foster replied, “If a ten-year-old became pregnant as a result of rape and it was threatening her life, then that’s not an abortion. So, it would not fall under any abortion restriction in our nation.” Swalwell directed his next question to another witness at the hearing, Sarah Warbelow, legal director of the Human Rights Campaign — asking her, “Miss Warbelow, are you familiar with disinformation?.... Did you just hear some disinformation?” Warbelow responded, “Yes, I heard some very significant disinformation…. An abortion is a procedure; it’s a medical procedure that individuals undergo for a wide range of circumstances, including because they have been sexually assaulted — raped in the case of the ten-year-old. It doesn’t matter whether or not there is a statutory exemption; it is still a medical procedure that is understood to be an abortion. Beyond that, I think it’s also important to note that there is no exception for the life or the health of the mother in the Ohio law. That’s why that ten-year-old had to cross state lines in order to receive an abortion.” Far-right MAGA Republican Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio has claimed, in a tweet that he deleted, that reporting on the ten-year-old was a “lie,” and Swalwell called him out for it during the hearing. “Speaking of disinformation,” Swalwell told Warbelow, “Jim Jordan called a ten-year-old rape victim a liar…. I know that he did that because he hates the president…. This law…. will bring us government-mandated pregnancies for ten-year-olds.” Americans United for Life CEO gets called out for claiming a 10-year-old terminating a pregnancy is 'not an abortion'
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 14, 2022 20:35:11 GMT -5
Again, these people are delusional. Yet, these are the type of people we are supposed to trust will accept medical decisions regarding the life of a pregnant person. Yeah, right
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 14, 2022 20:35:44 GMT -5
That is some scary stuff. Who is supposed to take care of the new baby? The 10 year old mom? We don’t let 10 year olds baby sit newborns so why do we think it would be safe for one to be responsible for one 24-7? I’m guessing if I left a 10 year old in charge of my newborn for a few hours, I would get arrested for child neglect. But yet she is supposed to be able to be responsible for one? How does she get the baby food snd shelter (she can’t work) or to medical appts? Strap it on the back of her Barbie bike? S as he is a brood mare for an infertile couple. The child can be put up for adoption. A win/win for everyone Especially if the baby is white or white passing.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 14, 2022 20:42:24 GMT -5
I think anyone who gives birth in any situation has her life impacted.
I'm guessing she meant that her physical life would be in danger. But, what she said was she believes a 10 year olds life would "probably" impact her life if she gave birth.
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