Here we go again. 19 children & 2 teachers dead

[Artemis Windsong]

The mental health professionals need to get into the mind of these murderers.

I'm sure all of the gunmen said something to someone about what they were going to do.

My H.and I have had 3 burglary thefts where we weren't home.  We had two room invasions and the third was stopped.

[pulmonarymd]

And how do they do that? 

[happyhoix]

May 24, 2022 21:42:20 GMT -5 Tiny said:

May 24, 2022 20:37:20 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Just try talking to some of the members of Congress about this....I have...I don't contribute enough to any campaigns for them to listen to me.   If you can figure out a way to make them listen, to make them see the light...I'm all for it.  I just get canned response/aka form letters that don't solve the problem and they don't care what I think or say.  And I live in a deep red state and yes, we own guns...several...both long guns & hand guns.

you need more people.  You need to get a whole lotta gun owners together and on the same page.   You need to get media coverage.  You need to convince politicians that this something you all care about and that finding a solution to gun violence isn't a liberal thing (haha sorry wittle liberals - got a problem boo hoo!).     You need to let everyone know exactly what responsible gun owners think about this and maybe come up with some possible solutions.   That's how it works. 

Cause as of today - I'm going to be asking every one I know who owns a gun - what they are doing about gun violence in America.  And if they can't answer that right off the top of their head...    then I'm gonna say - "Good to know you are ok with mass shootings in America - and I bet when children die -  you smile just a little....Freedom! America!!"   

FWIW:  I'm not saying  take away everyone's guns....   I'm pretty sure there's some sort of reasonable way to deal with this.      

First of all, get the gun owners to shut down the NRA. It started as a community promoting gun safety then became an arm of the gun lobby. It refuses to lobby for sensible improvements to the gun regulations that most gun owners approve of. Shut it down and create a new organization by and for the majority of gun owners, hunters, etc.

Bonus feature of shutting down the NRA - current president is corrupt as fuck and is enriching himself off gun company donations.

[Tennesseer]

May 25, 2022 6:30:10 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

May 24, 2022 19:47:42 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The last of the ten victims murdered at the Buffalo, NY supermarket was buried today.

And now we do it again. 

Not done yet - there's 2 more today.

Even worse.

[movingforward]

Well, we could start with using f***ing common sense when it comes to instating reasonable gun laws. Instead here in TX Abbott made it so any 18 year old off the street can walk in and purchase a gun legally without a background check, mental health check, or any other reasonable action. This kid walked into a gun shop on or around his 18th birthday and and walked out with a weapon.

I live about 2 hrs from where this shooting happened. I sat in the bath tub and cried for about 20 minutes last night (and I am not a crier). I wasn't crying only due to this particular shooting but over what we have become (the collective we). There is something profoundly wrong with us (again, the collective us).

Leadership does not care about us. All they want to do is divide our nation (and I am talking to both sides here). I am just sick to death of all of it. They want us to worry about illegals coming into the country, meanwhile we have terrorists living in plain sight targeting innocent people in malls, grocery stores, movie theaters, and our schools. Sometimes it really is just too much to take.

[busymom]

I've been reading different articles about this incident, and apparently the young man was angry that he wasn't graduating from high school.  It reminds me of when DS was about to graduate, one of the high school counselors told me that a number of students wouldn't be allowed to participate in the graduation ceremony.  She complained to me that they'd been given many chances to make up their work, but just blew it off, and she suspected they were going to be upset that they wouldn't be walking with their friends that evening.  Somehow it seems we fail to teach some of our kids that actions, or lack of actions, really do have consequences.  You don't get rewarded with a diploma just for showing up at class when you feel like it.  Whether it was entitlement issues, or mental health issues, in the case of this young man, we may never really know...

[teen persuasion]

May 25, 2022 10:00:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 25, 2022 6:30:10 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Not done yet - there's 2 more today.

Even worse.

And 4 more in the next few days, into the weekend.  Really, they just STARTED.

[justme]

While I'm not going to say there's only one thing that leads to all the mass shooting we have - there has to be one or two big things that we are/aren't doing that causes that.

I'm sure easy access to guns is one of them. I wish the people who cling to their guns cared enough to figure out other causes and tried to fix those.

[Tiny]

While I'm not going to say there's only one thing that leads to all the mass shooting we have - there has to be one or two big things that we are/aren't doing that causes that.

I'm sure easy access to guns is one of them. I wish the people who cling to their guns cared enough to figure out other causes and tried to fix those.

EDITTED: Sorry not a reply to Justme - but to the thought expressed in her post:

I think it might be the narrative that having a gun(s) means you are "Patriotic" OR alternatively that having one means you are a "real man" and you are hot and sexy and desirable you are powerful.

Those Holiday photos of politician's families holding their favorite guns.... what that said was "Look at US! we're "patriots"! even out children have guns!!! "
I'm guessing the photos of regular people with their guns (on social media) says "I'm strong, powerful, hot and sexy! I MATTER!!!  ).


Just out of curiosity:
If you are NOT posing with a deer, wild turkey, grouse, pheasant, iguana or some other animal you've just killed as part of a "hunt" OR if you are NOT posing showing off a your shot up "target" while at the shooting range, or posing while shooting skeet/whatever those things are called...

I ask this question:

How many of the gun owners on this board have taken pictures of themselves WITH their gun showing it off and distributed those pictures on social media? Have you taken pictures of yourself with the gun with the intent to display it in your home? or to give to friends? Why or why not

How does handling and showing off your gun(s) make you feel ?

[justme]

I took a photo of my first time shooting with a real gun (not an air pump bb gun) because I was badass at it for my first time. But it was just the target not me holding it.

I do like the photos holding deers and guns though... let's me know real quick to swipe left.

[movingforward]

May 25, 2022 11:13:36 GMT -5 justme said:

While I'm not going to say there's only one thing that leads to all the mass shooting we have - there has to be one or two big things that we are/aren't doing that causes that.

I'm sure easy access to guns is one of them. I wish the people who cling to their guns cared enough to figure out other causes and tried to fix those.

I know several gun owners that are okay with reasonable gun laws being instated. The politicians and the media have made people believe that if common sense gun laws are put into place that means all law abiding, mentally stable people are also going to have their gun rights revoked.

We have absolutely zero middle ground in this country any longer.

I am sick to death of it...all of it...makes me want to live somewhere else.

[Tiny]

May 25, 2022 11:35:24 GMT -5 justme said:

I took a photo of my first time shooting with a real gun (not an air pump bb gun) because I was badass at it for my first time. But it was just the target not me holding it.

I do like the photos holding deers and guns though... let's me know real quick to swipe left.

Thanks for the reply... I updated my post... I keep hitting the submit button before I mean to.   I need to learn how to be less "flash fingers".    

[Tennesseer]

May 25, 2022 11:13:36 GMT -5 justme said:

While I'm not going to say there's only one thing that leads to all the mass shooting we have - there has to be one or two big things that we are/aren't doing that causes that.

I'm sure easy access to guns is one of them. I wish the people who cling to their guns cared enough to figure out other causes and tried to fix those.

I am of the opinion part of the problems are friends and family seeing something is wrong with a loved one but are afraid to speak up in case they are wrong. They also might get their loved one arrested and they don't want the responsibility for that or think their loved one would never hurt someone/anyone.

Or their loved one may target them for speaking up. The mother of the Sandy Hook murderer was murdered by her son. This Texas murderer shot his grandmother.

[hurley1980]

May 25, 2022 12:00:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 25, 2022 11:13:36 GMT -5 justme said:

While I'm not going to say there's only one thing that leads to all the mass shooting we have - there has to be one or two big things that we are/aren't doing that causes that.

I'm sure easy access to guns is one of them. I wish the people who cling to their guns cared enough to figure out other causes and tried to fix those.

I am of the opinion part of the problems are friends and family seeing something is wrong with a loved one but are afraid to speak up in case they are wrong. They also might get their loved one arrested and they don't want the responsibility for that or think their loved one would never hurt someone/anyone.

Or their loved one may target them for speaking up. The mother of the Sandy Hook murderer was murdered by her son. This Texas murderer shot his grandmother.

This little asshole shooter from yesterday posted on social media that an attack was coming.  How did no one notice or take that seriously?!?!?  As I'm getting more information about this whole thing, I am seeing that we have learned nothing from past mass shootings.  Not a damn thing!

[hurley1980]

Ramos had posted on social media that such an attack could be coming, said state Sen. Roland Gutierrez (D), according to the AP. Gutierrez said he had been briefed by state police.



The gunman “suggested the kids should watch out” and that he had bought two “assault weapons” after turning 18, Gutierrez said.

www.huffpost.com/entry/children-killed-shooting-at-texas-elementary-school-report_n_628d386de4b0edd2d01c027a

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I think we have a very large population of men, especially young men, who are being told America is going up in flames, you have no power or agency and everything is going to be handed over to ::insert marginalized group here::

Sprinkle in the popular American notion of a good guy with a gun.  Good guys with guns protect people, they save America.  You're not powerless if you own a gun!   You have control!  You can demand respect from everyone around you!

Everywhere you turn in America the answer is violence.  Guy doesn't want to get out of his car during a traffic stop?  Shoot him!  Kid plays ding dong ditch?  Shoot him it might be a robber!  Black kid minding his own business walking through your neighborhood?  Shoot him he's probably up to something so you need to step up and be the neighborhood hero!

Every.single.Republican.political. ad in Nebraska had the candidate and his entire family posing with rifles stating that they stood for America and would protect us against illegals!  They will fight for America! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that symbolism.

We're sending the message that the only way for white men to protect their privilege is through violence.  You don't need to learn, grow and adapt to the changing world we live in, you just need to forcibly make it go the way you want it to. 

They say the shooter was mad he wasn't graduating.  And people are going to say that makes a mockery of the seriousness or whatever but people aren't reading between the lines.  It isn't about he wasn't graduating, it's he was probably depressed, frustrated and feeling isolated from his peers.  So he hops online resulting in constantly absorbing a toxic stew of messages that were telling him it's the universe's fault he didn't graduate and it's up to him to make them see they are wrong.  After all your Congressman is willing to stand up to injustice, will you stand for America too?

We need to stop the toxic messages these people are receiving.  Proper mental health care is important but not just from the perspective of dealing with "crazy" people which a shocking amount of the people absorbing these messages aren't actually "mentally ill".   It's more they have joined a very dangerous, very sinister cult.

We need to end the stereotype, especially for men, that seeking care/support is weakness . We need to teach people proper coping skills and how to handle life's outcomes.  His situation was potentially fixable if given the tools.  It also needs to be more affordable because even if you can find it all right now it costs $$$ to do so. 

And we need to teach people to care about each other and stop focusing so much on the "other" boogeymen that those in charge tell us if we want things fixed must be eliminated.

Couple good opinion articles

www.cnn.com/2022/05/17/opinions/buffalo-shooting-letter-to-white-male-teens-magee/index.html

www.cnn.com/2022/04/23/opinions/surprising-solution-to-gun-violence-ludwig/index.html

[Artemis Windsong]

Did anyone catch the CBS news conference of the Texas Governor?

The gunman had posted on FB that he was going to shoot his grandmother.  Then he shot his grandmother.  Then he was going to an elementary school.  He had an accident by the school.  Then went in through a back door. 

What happened to the no access to these schools? 

[Artemis Windsong]

May 25, 2022 8:22:46 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

And how do they do that? 

I don't know if any of these criminals have lived after the assault but that would be one way.  Most die.

[justme]

May 25, 2022 11:48:12 GMT -5 Tiny said:

May 25, 2022 11:35:24 GMT -5 justme said:

I took a photo of my first time shooting with a real gun (not an air pump bb gun) because I was badass at it for my first time. But it was just the target not me holding it.

I do like the photos holding deers and guns though... let's me know real quick to swipe left.

Thanks for the reply... I updated my post... I keep hitting the submit button before I mean to.   I need to learn how to be less "flash fingers".    

No worries. And I wasn't disagreeing with you... was meaning to point out the sane way some might do the photos vs the craziness you pointed out. Like one off posts with an actual reason vs endless proof that you have a gun.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

May 25, 2022 13:04:23 GMT -5 justme said:

May 25, 2022 11:48:12 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Thanks for the reply... I updated my post... I keep hitting the submit button before I mean to.   I need to learn how to be less "flash fingers".    

No worries. And I wasn't disagreeing with you... was meaning to point out the sane way some might do the photos vs the craziness you pointed out. Like one off posts with an actual reason vs endless proof that you have a gun.

DH has photos of him during hunting posing with the gun.

Those types of pictures I understand even if in some instances I find them distasteful.

It's the Republicans swinging around automatics while crowing about how they are going to stop illegals in political ads that need to stop.  That is absolutely the wrong message to be sending.  They know EXACTLY what they are implying no matter how much they claim it's not really that it's about "demonstrating my love for the second amendment."

Uh huh and a snapshot of you hunting a deer doesn't do that?  It takes showing shoots of illegals crossing the boarder with you standing in front with your gun to communicate that?  Or showing pictures of Trump during Jan 6th and standing there with your gun telling your voters you will defend democracy whatever it takes?

Uh uh.

[pulmonarymd]

May 25, 2022 13:01:52 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

May 25, 2022 8:22:46 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

And how do they do that? 

I don't know if any of these criminals have lived after the assault but that would be one way.  Most die.

I am more interested in preventing these tragedies. These shooters are rarely mentally ill in a way that you think. Maybe if we prevent 18 yo from buying assault weapons over 30 people would still be alive? Having a news show stop playing to peoples victimhood and grievances.

The US is the only first world nation where this is a routine occurrence. It is also the one with the biggest gun culture. But we refuse to do anything about the elephant in the room

[seriousthistime]

I read that the school had a police security officer who was overcome by the mass murderer.

I would like to believe this puts an end to the call for teachers to have guns in schools. But that would be naive.  If a police officer couldn't stop the guy, what chance do teachers have?  But the answer, according to the gun lobby, is more people with guns to stop the people with guns.

I don't find concealed carry to be an answer.  Those who attempt to stop shooters are sometimes shot by the shooters.  I remember an incident in Las Vegas where two shooters killed two police officers at a pizza parlor, then entered a Walmart.  A customer pulled out his weapon to stop the person he thought was the lone shooter, and was killed by the other shooter. 

No one is making anyone give up the guns they own.  That narrative needs to be called out for what it is, scare tactics and "slippery slope" bullshit.  Why do people need to own so many guns, though, and why do we need AR-15s and AK-47s and the like?  If hunting is considered "sport" those types of weapons aren't needed. 

I would like to see each gun be registered like cars are. When guns are sold, the new owner needs to register them, otherwise liability rests with the last registered owner.  But I am guessing this Supreme Court would never uphold that law because they would consider it to be an infringement. 

 

[Deleted]

May 25, 2022 11:27:13 GMT -5 Tiny said:

While I'm not going to say there's only one thing that leads to all the mass shooting we have - there has to be one or two big things that we are/aren't doing that causes that.

I'm sure easy access to guns is one of them. I wish the people who cling to their guns cared enough to figure out other causes and tried to fix those.

EDITTED: Sorry not a reply to Justme - but to the thought expressed in her post:

I think it might be the narrative that having a gun(s) means you are "Patriotic" OR alternatively that having one means you are a "real man" and you are hot and sexy and desirable you are powerful.

Those Holiday photos of politician's families holding their favorite guns.... what that said was "Look at US! we're "patriots"! even out children have guns!!! "
I'm guessing the photos of regular people with their guns (on social media) says "I'm strong, powerful, hot and sexy! I MATTER!!!  ).


Just out of curiosity:
If you are NOT posing with a deer, wild turkey, grouse, pheasant, iguana or some other animal you've just killed as part of a "hunt" OR if you are NOT posing showing off a your shot up "target" while at the shooting range, or posing while shooting skeet/whatever those things are called...

I ask this question:

How many of the gun owners on this board have taken pictures of themselves WITH their gun showing it off and distributed those pictures on social media? Have you taken pictures of yourself with the gun with the intent to display it in your home? or to give to friends? Why or why not

How does handling and showing off your gun(s) make you feel ?

Nobody besides Mister and an old friend that I use to go to the range with, have ever seen me with a gun unless it was at a range where I was practicing hitting targets. My children have never even seen me with a gun even though they knew I had one. I did though, hang a couple of my targets from the range in my garage, because one had a cluster in the right spot and the other had just one perfectly placed hole in it, and I was proud of my ability to hit what I was aiming at in a controlled environment. I was proud of the skill, not the gun. Guests came inside my house through the front door, not my garage, so it’s not like it was on display for the whole world to see. It was for ME.

I’ve absolutely never taken a picture with one, period. I’ve said on here that I’ve owned them, but have never even mentioned it on FB. It’s not even something I’ve ever really talked about IRL to random people, because I never wanted it to be common knowledge IRL that I even had one. I’ve never left a gun just laying around in my house and I’ve never left one in a vehicle because people break into and/or steal vehicles regularly around here.

The police chief in Memphis had her gun stolen from a vehicle while she was shopping. As far as I was concerned, I was ok with her being reprimanded or even fired for being what I consider careless. She should know better than anybody how often cars are broken into in the area and the need to keep your weapons secure. A vehicle is not secure around here Imo, even if the doors are locked.

I’ve never felt big and bad or sexy because I had one, and not one way or another as far as being “proud” about owning one or whatever. I only became interested in them as a way to defend me and mine after the threats I think I mentioned earlier. It was strictly for defense at home, I wasn’t interested in carrying it.

I did not agree with the new law in Tennessee that you no longer have to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. I don’t agree that it should be easy to purchase one either. I’m not sure that just being able to pass a background check is enough to be able to buy and keep one. Not even having to pass a background check is madness. I’m also not sure exactly what else I think should be required to purchase and keep one. For starters though, maybe if you have one stolen from a vehicle, you shouldn’t be able to buy another one. Obviously, I have a big issue with that. Beyond that though, idk.

I personally know quite a few people IRL that own guns, but not one of them has anything to do with the NRA, as far as I know. 

[Deleted]

May 25, 2022 13:13:39 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

I read that the school had a police security officer who was overcome by the mass murderer.

I would like to believe this puts an end to the call for teachers to have guns in schools. But that would be naive.  If a police officer couldn't stop the guy, what chance do teachers have?  But the answer, according to the gun lobby, is more people with guns to stop the people with guns.

I don't find concealed carry to be an answer.  Those who attempt to stop shooters are sometimes shot by the shooters.  I remember an incident in Las Vegas where two shooters killed two police officers at a pizza parlor, then entered a Walmart.  A customer pulled out his weapon to stop the person he thought was the lone shooter, and was killed by the other shooter. 

No one is making anyone give up the guns they own.  That narrative needs to be called out for what it is, scare tactics and "slippery slope" bullshit.  Why do people need to own so many guns, though, and why do we need AR-15s and AK-47s and the like?  If hunting is considered "sport" those types of weapons aren't needed. 

I would like to see each gun be registered like cars are. When guns are sold, the new owner needs to register them, otherwise liability rests with the last registered owner.  But I am guessing this Supreme Court would never uphold that law because they would consider it to be an infringement. 

 

As I mentioned in my prior post, even though I was a pretty good shot, I’m smart enough to understand that the real world with human beings running around, I’m in an unfamiliar place (vs my home where I know exactly where everything and everybody is) and I’m under stress and my heart is trying to jump out my chest because something bad is happening….. is very different from the controlled environment of a gun range. That was why I was never interested in carrying. I figured if someone had already shoved a gun in my face, my gun wouldn’t do me much good, even if I had it on me. I definitely was under no illusion that I might be able to save the day and stop an active shooter without hitting an innocent person instead, or like your examples, making it more likely that I got killed myself.

ETA: Nor do I think that stricter laws about guns and who can purchase or keep them, means I wouldn’t be able to have one. I’m pretty much a rule follower and law abiding citizen, I’m mostly in my right mind, don’t have a short fuse and I’m not a hot head. If you really piss me off, I might punch you, but I’m not going to shoot you. Even if you beat me up because I punched you, Imma just take that ass whipping, I’m still not going to shoot you. I will defend myself against intruders in my home though.

[justme]

May 25, 2022 13:13:39 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

I read that the school had a police security officer who was overcome by the mass murderer.

I would like to believe this puts an end to the call for teachers to have guns in schools. But that would be naive.  If a police officer couldn't stop the guy, what chance do teachers have?  But the answer, according to the gun lobby, is more people with guns to stop the people with guns.

I don't find concealed carry to be an answer.  Those who attempt to stop shooters are sometimes shot by the shooters.  I remember an incident in Las Vegas where two shooters killed two police officers at a pizza parlor, then entered a Walmart.  A customer pulled out his weapon to stop the person he thought was the lone shooter, and was killed by the other shooter. 

No one is making anyone give up the guns they own.  That narrative needs to be called out for what it is, scare tactics and "slippery slope" bullshit.  Why do people need to own so many guns, though, and why do we need AR-15s and AK-47s and the like?  If hunting is considered "sport" those types of weapons aren't needed. 

I would like to see each gun be registered like cars are. When guns are sold, the new owner needs to register them, otherwise liability rests with the last registered owner.  But I am guessing this Supreme Court would never uphold that law because they would consider it to be an infringement. 

 

The only thing that will change if we give teachers guns is they'll have to do ballistics to see how many kids the teachers shot vs the shooter.

I don't see why we can't require license, registration, and insurance for anything beyond a single shot hunting rifle is beyond me. Even that's a high powered weapon compared to what was around when they wrote the amendment.

[Deleted]

May 25, 2022 13:56:36 GMT -5 justme said:

May 25, 2022 13:13:39 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

I read that the school had a police security officer who was overcome by the mass murderer.

I would like to believe this puts an end to the call for teachers to have guns in schools. But that would be naive.  If a police officer couldn't stop the guy, what chance do teachers have?  But the answer, according to the gun lobby, is more people with guns to stop the people with guns.

I don't find concealed carry to be an answer.  Those who attempt to stop shooters are sometimes shot by the shooters.  I remember an incident in Las Vegas where two shooters killed two police officers at a pizza parlor, then entered a Walmart.  A customer pulled out his weapon to stop the person he thought was the lone shooter, and was killed by the other shooter. 

No one is making anyone give up the guns they own.  That narrative needs to be called out for what it is, scare tactics and "slippery slope" bullshit.  Why do people need to own so many guns, though, and why do we need AR-15s and AK-47s and the like?  If hunting is considered "sport" those types of weapons aren't needed. 

I would like to see each gun be registered like cars are. When guns are sold, the new owner needs to register them, otherwise liability rests with the last registered owner.  But I am guessing this Supreme Court would never uphold that law because they would consider it to be an infringement. 

 

The only thing that will change if we give teachers guns is they'll have to do ballistics to see how many kids the teachers shot vs the shooter.

I don't see why we can't require license, registration, and insurance for anything beyond a single shot hunting rifle is beyond me. Even that's a high powered weapon compared to what was around when they wrote the amendment.

Maybe the classes you used to have to take here to get a permit to carry concealed, should be required for first time gun owners at purchase. It’s my understanding that the classes taught safety, responsibility, and about the laws concerning when, where and how you can legally use a gun.

Maybe every so often, you should have to prove that you are still in possession of your weapons and have to have another background check or whatever done, to show that you haven’t developed any mental issues or criminal tendencies.

[NastyWoman]

Now unless all those pro-life/heartbeat fanatics throw a fit and demand gun law reforms like the ban on the sale of assault rifles and background checks prior to the sale of any guns we at least know exactly where they stand. Your allotment of heartbeats/your right to life ends birth as anything after that will interfere with their right to guns with as little interference as buying a loaf of bread!

Fuck thoughts and prayers (yes that is a repeat of my senti.ent from yesterday). I want kids to come home after school not transported to a morgue. I want people safe working in and shopping in their neighborhood stores. I want people not to worry about going to the movies or the mall or a park.

And I really, really want politicians who have the guts to look past their big NRA donation and stop acting like they are bought and laid for and put sensible laws in place. Until then spare me your "broken hearts" and your "thoughts and prayers" you bunch of hypocrites

[pulmonarymd]

How many school shootings have there been since the Shooting at Sandy Hook in CT?
How many dead children as a result?
How many other mass shootings? How many dead?

Yet we continue to do nothing, strike that, less than nothing. We are relaxing our gun laws. Why do we think this is going to change? At this point, either do something, admit this is our "normal" and accept it, or admit we truly do not care. Enough is enough. 

Gun violence is one of the many factors that drive up our healthcare costs. Maybe if we want to save money we will do something.

[chiver78]

May 25, 2022 14:16:56 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

How many school shootings have there been since the Shooting at Sandy Hook in CT?
How many dead children as a result?
How many other mass shootings? How many dead?

Yet we continue to do nothing, strike that, less than nothing. We are relaxing our gun laws. Why do we think this is going to change? At this point, either do something, admit this is our "normal" and accept it, or admit we truly do not care. Enough is enough. 

Gun violence is one of the many factors that drive up our healthcare costs. Maybe if we want to save money we will do something.

a friend posted this list on FB earlier, it's huge so it's going in a spoiler. I'll bold Sandy Hook about halfway down the list. 

SPOILER: Click to show

Thurston High School.
Columbine High School.
Heritage High School.
Deming Middle School.
Fort Gibson Middle School.
Buell Elementary School.
Lake Worth Middle School.
University of Arkansas.
Junipero Serra High School.
Santana High School.
Bishop Neumann High School.
Pacific Lutheran University.
Granite Hills High School.
Lew Wallace High School.
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School.
Appalachian School of Law.
Washington High School.
Conception Abbey.
Benjamin Tasker Middle School.
University of Arizona.
Lincoln High School.
John McDonogh High School.
Red Lion Area Junior High School.
Case Western Reserve University.
Rocori High School.
Ballou High School.
Randallstown High School.
Bowen High School.
Red Lake Senior High School.
Harlan Community Academy High School.
Campbell County High School.
Milwee Middle School.
Roseburg High School.
Pine Middle School.
Essex Elementary School.
Duquesne University.
Platte Canyon High School.
Weston High School.
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Joplin Memorial Middle School.
Henry Foss High School.
Compton Centennial High School.
Virginia Tech.
Success Tech Academy.
Miami Carol City Senior High School.
Hamilton High School.
Louisiana Technical College.
Mitchell High School.
E.O. Green Junior High School.
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Lakota Middle School.
Knoxville Central High School.
Willoughby South High School.
Henry Ford High School.
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Larose-Cut Off Middle School.
International Studies Academy.
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University of Alabama.
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University of Texas.
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Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy.
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Palm Beach Central High School
Providence Career & Technical Academy
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Canyon Springs High School
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Central Academy of Excellence
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Prescott High School
College of the Mainland
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UNC Charlotte
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Second Chance High School
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Texas A&M University-Commerce
Sonora High School
Western Illinois University
Oxford High School
Robb Elementary School

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So, I am genuinely asking, what can I, a middle age Black woman living in a blue corner of a red state, who has owned firearms, do to become part of the solution? 

The politicians in this state do not give even a partial fuck about what we have to say in this little blue corner. When they changed the law, what last year, so that you know longer have to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon, the leaders here spoke up about how terrible that was, nobody cared. It passed anyway. We are very much outnumbered by the rest of the state.

But I still ask, what can I do to help? That is a very serious question.