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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 11, 2022 11:18:12 GMT -5
Is anybody else wondering if this diversion into children's sports was meant mostly to take the attention away from the gun argument? I really think it's trolling just to get a reaction. As soon as fewer people respond to her she comes up with something more audacious to rile everyone up.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 11, 2022 13:52:03 GMT -5
Is anybody else wondering if this diversion into children's sports was meant mostly to take the attention away from the gun argument? I wasn't seeing any real value left in the gun discussion. Everyone has stated their views more than once. We will do it again on the thread someone will start the next time there is a media grabbing mass shooting.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Aug 11, 2022 19:30:17 GMT -5
I am not a psychologist but I see some similarities in the “won at all costs” “must be the best at everything” attitude snd people who use guns to “solve their problems”
If your perspective on life is that you have to first at everything snd you feel like life is a zero sum game (if you win, that means I lost), your constantly going to be going after that medal/trophy/win. The problem is that no one can be the best at everything in the world, there will always be someone better. So eventually, you get to the point where your abilities or smarts aren’t enough to make you “the best”. But your identity is built on bring the best always snd you need that reinforcement.
So how do you force people to say that you are the best and the winner? You have to use your might or a weapon such as a gun. Then you will be “right” and they will acknowledge your “superiority” over them. Because the alternative, is that they are “the best” and, because it is a zero sum game, that makes you the “loser”
Any psychologists or behavioral health folks feel free to let me know if I’m off base here ( I acknowledge I am not the best at everything and can learn from others)
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 12, 2022 8:07:06 GMT -5
I was reminded of this video which I reference with my kids. Basically a kid who can't swim joins the worst swim team, and I think by the last year they go to state. But that's not the point. The point is sticking with something that is hard, that youre not talented at and getting better. That is a lesson of team sports that people can use for a lifetime. I love when the kid says something along the lines of "if I couldn't handle being bad at something, what does that say about me?" I talk to my kids about being ok with that uncomfortable feeling that otherwise might make you quit or walk away before you even tried. I'm still certain that not enough try out/competition teams is literally a made up problem. I am in the thick of child activity years and see the direct opposite in my area and have seen other people report the same environment in their areas. I think competition is good when it makes a person try harder to beat their own records. But I don't like the win at all costs mentality. Mardi Gras Audrey - I think you may be on to something with the connection. The shooters are usually entitled men trying to get what's due to them.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 12, 2022 12:11:03 GMT -5
I am not a psychologist but I see some similarities in the “won at all costs” “must be the best at everything” attitude snd people who use guns to “solve their problems” If your perspective on life is that you have to first at everything snd you feel like life is a zero sum game (if you win, that means I lost), your constantly going to be going after that medal/trophy/win. The problem is that no one can be the best at everything in the world, there will always be someone better. So eventually, you get to the point where your abilities or smarts aren’t enough to make you “the best”. But your identity is built on bring the best always snd you need that reinforcement. So how do you force people to say that you are the best and the winner? You have to use your might or a weapon such as a gun. Then you will be “right” and they will acknowledge your “superiority” over them. Because the alternative, is that they are “the best” and, because it is a zero sum game, that makes you the “loser” Any psychologists or behavioral health folks feel free to let me know if I’m off base here ( I acknowledge I am not the best at everything and can learn from others) There's some truth in what you say. That, combined with 'every man for himself' and 'pull yourself up by your own bootstraps' instead of working in cooperation with the rest of the populace, for the good of all, can definitely lead to toxic behaviour.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2022 14:46:59 GMT -5
this is a really disappointing thread. we are going to lose 1M American lives to gun violence in the next 30 years, i guess. those are acceptable losses.
weird country.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 13, 2022 1:27:32 GMT -5
this is a really disappointing thread. we are going to lose 1M American lives to gun violence in the next 30 years, i guess. those are acceptable losses. weird country. If we could somehow be sure that all 1M were going to be gun owners and not random innocent people gunned down, I might be okay with that number. Gun ownership is a choice. Live with that choice, or die with it, but stay the f*** away from the rest of us.
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Post by scgal on Aug 14, 2022 19:09:42 GMT -5
Exactly, that is how it used to be. I see many areas now uses age as a factor not a minimum physical competence. Heaven forbid if lil Johnny didn't move up with his friends his mother would scream and boom he moved up and that team suffered. How exactly did the team "suffer"? If he wasn't good enough to move on then his sub par abilities will hold the team back
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 14, 2022 19:12:12 GMT -5
How exactly did the team "suffer"? If he wasn't good enough to move on then his sub par abilities will hold the team back He will sit on the bench except during garbage time.
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Post by scgal on Aug 14, 2022 19:15:48 GMT -5
I'm not talking about learning and getting better at a sport. I'm talking about minimum fitness level. If a kid cannot pick up a bat or run around the bases without stopping then no try again next year. Same with high school sports you can learn the fundamentals but you have to be physically able to stay out there to compete. And next year, after not working out with the team, they won't be physically able, and the next, and the next. Or they can be on the team for practices and minimal game time and get more fit. If the child wants it bad enough they will work on their physical ability on their own. My husband told me that he didn't make the jv football team when he was younger. He was slower and heavier the next year he dropped 20 lbs and made the sprint time. It was that way for alot of kids back then you just didn't get in if you didn't work it
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 14, 2022 19:20:34 GMT -5
And next year, after not working out with the team, they won't be physically able, and the next, and the next. Or they can be on the team for practices and minimal game time and get more fit. If the child wants it bad enough they will work on their physical ability on their own. My husband told me that he didn't make the jv football team when he was younger. He was slower and heavier the next year he dropped 20 lbs and made the sprint time. It was that way for alot of kids back then you just didn't get in if you didn't work it If he had been on the team that first year with almost no playing time, would that have motivated him to get in better shape or would he have been happy sitting there on the bench?
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Post by teen persuasion on Aug 14, 2022 21:53:23 GMT -5
Is anybody else wondering if this diversion into children's sports was meant mostly to take the attention away from the gun argument? Not deliberately; I think both are based on the same zero sum worldview. The quote that kicked the sports diversion off: Nearly every complaint is about fairness, as if treating people unfairly is a good thing. It's obvious that her preferred worldview is "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." Perhaps even, all are NOT equal - some are obviously better, and deserve better <insert desired feature here>. In this worldview, everyone having the same chances/opportunities/etc is inherently unfair, because the lesser ones don't deserve it! You can only succeed by being better than everyone else, even if that's by holding the others down. Whereas, I feel that everyone should start out on as level a playing field as possible, and those who already have extra advantages like good health/intelligence/family background/etc shouldn't also get to stack the deck by excluding less fortunate others. To me, fair means everyone gets the same chance to try. More people reaching their full potential should be better for all of us - my success doesn't take away from your success, its just MORE cumulative success! Collaborate for the good of all, instead of cut-throat competition.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2022 22:30:44 GMT -5
i think that white people are used to being treated BETTER. so, for them, fair is continuing to be treated better. but that is not actually fair. that is privileged. and they don't want to lose that.
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Post by busymom on Aug 15, 2022 9:00:11 GMT -5
this is a really disappointing thread. we are going to lose 1M American lives to gun violence in the next 30 years, i guess. those are acceptable losses. weird country. The same folks who don't care that over a million Americans have been lost to Covid won't care about the losses to gun violence. Sadly, the pace of gun murders is accelerating here. I don't know how many murders it will take to get the attention of some folks. Even the loss of a close family member didn't get the attention of the anti-vaxxers in my extended family.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 16, 2022 13:50:20 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2022 14:07:29 GMT -5
we need more doctors with guns.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 16, 2022 14:34:13 GMT -5
...and nurses! And orderlies and X-Ray techs. What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by swamp on Aug 16, 2022 14:36:37 GMT -5
my local hospital has a valet parking guy. I'm sure he'd be happy to be armed.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 16, 2022 14:48:38 GMT -5
my local hospital has a valet parking guy. I'm sure he'd be happy to be armed. I'm sure this one would have preferred to have been armed.
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Post by daisylu on Aug 29, 2022 8:55:33 GMT -5
And another grocery store shooting. At least three people are dead following a shooting inside a Safeway supermarket in Oregon on Sunday evening, police said.
The incident was reported just after 7 p.m. local time at The Forum Shopping Center in Bend, a small city on the Deschutes River, some 130 miles southeast of Oregon's capital, Salem. The suspected shooter is among the dead, the Bend Police Department told ABC News.
Police believe the armed suspect entered from the back of the shopping center and initially fired into a Costco parking lot and a Big Lots store. There were no injuries reported at either of those locations, according to police. Police believe the suspect then entered the Safeway and shot at least one person near the west entrance. That individual was transported to a local hospital and confirmed dead, police said.
The suspect continued inside the supermarket, shooting and killing at least one additional person, according to police.
Officers responding to the shooting entered the Safeway and found another individual, believed to be the shooter, dead inside the store. The officers fired no shots, police said.
At a press conference late Sunday, Bend Police Chief Mike Krantz told reporters that the suspect was carrying an AR-15 style rifle and a shotgun. The identities of the suspect and the victims were not released.link
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 29, 2022 9:10:31 GMT -5
Just another day in America. Nothing to see here. Thoughts and prayers
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