Overturning Roe v Wade?

[giramomma]

May 5, 2022 9:57:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 5, 2022 9:47:08 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

how are you NOT forcing them? Not everyone has the same access to healthcare early in pregnancy. Women with irregular cycles may not even realize they're pregnant until after there's a heartbeat. So they may know they can't take care of a baby but because there's now a heartbeat, they are indeed going to be forced to continue the pregnancy because they may also not be able to afford traveling to a state where abortion is legal.

Like I said i'm not forcing them to do anything. 
I'm going to take rape out the equation for now that needs to go into another level. On just using abortion as a form of birth control I didn't force anyone to have sex either maybe better sex education would be better

You can't take rape out of the equation. Saying that is like trying to provide an irrational datapoint to support your arguement.

Where does rape go? What's the level?

Or, are you arguing that we should victim blame. "Geeze, it's sally's fault she got pregnant after being raped. She should have had enough sense to ask that her rapist use a condom!" or "Of course those girls should have known better than to be seduced by Epstein."

[djAdvocate]

May 5, 2022 10:09:21 GMT -5 giramomma said:

May 5, 2022 9:57:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Like I said i'm not forcing them to do anything. 
I'm going to take rape out the equation for now that needs to go into another level. On just using abortion as a form of birth control I didn't force anyone to have sex either maybe better sex education would be better

You can't take rape out of the equation. Saying that is like trying to provide an irrational datapoint to support your arguement.

Where does rape go? What's the level?

Or, are you arguing that we should victim blame. "Geeze, it's sally's fault she got pregnant after being raped. She should have had enough sense to ask that her rapist use a condom!" or "Of course those girls should have known better than to be seduced by Epstein."

i will take it one step further.
asking demanding women to carry a rape-daddy-baby is REWARDING rape.
how do you like that notion?

[mollyc]

I fail to see how making abortion illegal will make the World or your Society better. With the exception of any male who wanted the pregnancy to continue, I don’t see any benefit from removing the option. I don’t have any reason to believe the number of disappointed men is significant enough to move the burden onto women and society. Anecdotally, the men I know in that position eventually had children, often with the same woman when their circumstances changed

Too briefly go there, from what I know of religions, I don’t see where making abortion illegal gives anyone brownie points with their gods. Not having sex without intent to procreate, brownie points. Not having an abortion, brownie points. Stopping someone else from non-procreational sex or an abortion, crickets.

[happyhoix]

May 5, 2022 6:32:26 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 4, 2022 19:25:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Yet you have no problem when invoking “my body, my choice” when it comes to vaccination. You don’t think the unvaccinated should have any duty to tell medically fragile individuals if the are vaccinated, even if it could kill them. Conservatives have no problem invoking the same phrase when it comes to masks. You sure have a strange idea of freedom.

Show me one of these conservative states that are allowing any medically necessary second trimester abortion. They all seem to be proud that they are banning all abortions. You think my wife should have had her life threatened instead of allowing an abortion. Again, your compassion is overwhelming

Posters get confused or take things out of context. I never said my body my choice on vaccinations or masks. What I said is I don't care if you were vaccinated when entering my home, an no one has the right to know if i'm vaccinated or not. Now if it was a law a person would have to comply with their vac card. If it was law you should comply. It's required to get a vaccination to go to school my kids were vaccinated.
 
Believe it or not I'm very sorry what your wife, and family went thru. If you read my post I said non medical abortions should not allowed, your wifes was medically necessary. 

If Roe gets overturned it goes back to the states. Its not that big of a deal people that believe in abortions should go to a state that coincides with their beliefs those that don't can do the same, or just deal with that states laws. 

Who decides if the medical reason for an abortion is valid? Is it a case where the woman has a 10% chance of dying? 50% chance of dying?  Does it have to be 100% before they’re allowed to have an abortion? What if the person probably won’t die, but is likely to have serious disabilities (like Steel Magnolia) would that count as a medical issue? What if someone was raped and claimed to be suicidal?

WHat happens if the government worker declines to grant a termination and the woman dies? Can the significant other sue? 

Because I can guarantee how this kind of a law would be handled in Georgia. The very red state government would select evangelicals to determine if an abortion is medically necessary or not, and also pass a law that the people deciding on whether an abortion is granted or not can’t be sued if things go wrong and someone dies.  Almost no one would actually be granted permission - and being a government function, it would take months to process the request. 

Better solution - don’t let government and politics and religion be involved in these kinds of decisions - let the woman, her significant other and her doctor decide. 

Kind of like the vaccines - they weren’t mandatory, people chose what was best for them in consultation with their doctors and their own personal feelings. No one had to stand in a government line to get an exception from getting the vaccine. 

[thyme4change]

May 5, 2022 6:49:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 4, 2022 20:21:48 GMT -5 Tiny said:

That's just cold and without compassion.    I feel I can say that - as I strongly suspect I was an unwanted child.  Nothing like being a burden to  your parents and them letting you know you are in so many little ways every day.      FWIW:  my mom was 44 yo when she got pregnant with me.  I strongly suspect I was a surprise and not a happy one.  

I strongly suspect that a lot of middle aged and beyond women have abortions - when they have an unexpected and unwanted surprise.    Although maybe now a days women who have children in their 20's and early 30's get their tubes tied after they have deemed they are done having children.  But still I suspect that if a 25 year old woman says she's done having kids - that she MIGHT get some push back on getting her tubes tied.   I know a few 30 somethings that still use oral birth control... even though they have tween kids.  


Your views do  explain why so many people turn a blind eye to child abuse - as long as you don't kill the kid - it's ok to torture them.   

I find it so weird that it's super important to spend lots of money and do all sorts of things to make sure a woman brings a baby she doesn't want to term... that TAX DOLLARS are spent on this...  and then it's "Our work is done here."    No support for that mother, no money to help provide for that child, perhaps a subpar education for that child. Oh no! we can't spend OUR tax dollars on this... it's NOT our problem.    

Is human suffering an important component of your religious beliefs?     Just curious.   I grew up Catholic and suffering was VERY important.  

Let me ask you a question. Would you rather your mother had an abortion so you were never born? If you have kids they wouldn't be here grand kids etc. I find it amazing the ones that want are for abortion are already born. 

No I don't turn a blind eye to kids being tortured, but abortion is not the answer to stopping that either. 

As far as my religion sorry that's not it not very religious. I'm not pro-life either just anti- abortion

There are several programs out there to help with housing, food and medical. I do think there should be more i'm all for it.

The pregnancy that produced me was very much wanted, however the child I was - meh - maybe not so much. I spent a great deal if my life wishing I had never been born. The world would go on just fine without me and my downline. I'm not changing much - just sitting here, taking up resources and irritating my mother. 😁

[djAdvocate]

May 5, 2022 10:25:37 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

May 5, 2022 6:49:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Let me ask you a question. Would you rather your mother had an abortion so you were never born? If you have kids they wouldn't be here grand kids etc. I find it amazing the ones that want are for abortion are already born. 

No I don't turn a blind eye to kids being tortured, but abortion is not the answer to stopping that either. 

As far as my religion sorry that's not it not very religious. I'm not pro-life either just anti- abortion

There are several programs out there to help with housing, food and medical. I do think there should be more i'm all for it.

The pregnancy that produced me was very much wanted, however the child I was - meh - maybe not so much. I spent a great deal if my life wishing I had never been born. The world would go on just fine without me and my downline. I'm not changing much - just sitting here, taking up resources and irritating my mother. 😁

well, speaking personally, i am glad you are here.  

[minnesotapaintlady]

May 5, 2022 6:49:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Let me ask you a question. Would you rather your mother had an abortion so you were never born? If you have kids they wouldn't be here grand kids etc. I find it amazing the ones that want are for abortion are already born.

This argument is so ridiculous.

I could have had many, many children over the past 35 years, but chose not to.  People can say, what if you didn't have your boys?  Well what about the other 15?  I can't imagine a life with those missing 15 anymore than I can imagine a life without my 2.  My life is what it is due to decisions I made and yes, I exist because of decisions my mom made.  If she had chose differently, I'd have a hard time posting but I don't think I'd be unhappy and she wouldn't be missing her grandkids. 

And seriously...Pro-choice is not "for abortion".  Many that are pro-choice are against abortion personally, and those that aren't still don't WANT to have one. I can pretty much guarantee you they 1) wish they would have prevented the pregnancy in the first place, or 2) are in a position where it is necessary. 

[thyme4change]

May 5, 2022 9:08:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 5, 2022 8:35:31 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Why should government at the state level be able to dictate an abortion policy if it is not appropriate for government at the federal level to do so? Why not set it at the county government level? Washington State is divided into Health Districts. Perhaps that could be the appropriate level for policy?

I do not think its a federal issue

That was the argument for slavery too.

[Tennesseer]

May 5, 2022 6:49:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 4, 2022 20:21:48 GMT -5 Tiny said:

That's just cold and without compassion.    I feel I can say that - as I strongly suspect I was an unwanted child.  Nothing like being a burden to  your parents and them letting you know you are in so many little ways every day.      FWIW:  my mom was 44 yo when she got pregnant with me.  I strongly suspect I was a surprise and not a happy one.  

I strongly suspect that a lot of middle aged and beyond women have abortions - when they have an unexpected and unwanted surprise.    Although maybe now a days women who have children in their 20's and early 30's get their tubes tied after they have deemed they are done having children.  But still I suspect that if a 25 year old woman says she's done having kids - that she MIGHT get some push back on getting her tubes tied.   I know a few 30 somethings that still use oral birth control... even though they have tween kids.  


Your views do  explain why so many people turn a blind eye to child abuse - as long as you don't kill the kid - it's ok to torture them.   

I find it so weird that it's super important to spend lots of money and do all sorts of things to make sure a woman brings a baby she doesn't want to term... that TAX DOLLARS are spent on this...  and then it's "Our work is done here."    No support for that mother, no money to help provide for that child, perhaps a subpar education for that child. Oh no! we can't spend OUR tax dollars on this... it's NOT our problem.    

Is human suffering an important component of your religious beliefs?     Just curious.   I grew up Catholic and suffering was VERY important.  

Let me ask you a question. Would you rather your mother had an abortion so you were never born? If you have kids they wouldn't be here grand kids etc. I find it amazing the ones that want are for abortion are already born. 

I would have no opinion as to your question as I would not exist if my mother had aborted me. And I have zero recollection of ever being in my mother's womb.

[Tennesseer]

After Roe: 9 legal experts on what rights the Supreme Court might target next

After Roe, what’s next for this Supreme Court?

That’s a question on a lot of people’s minds as the dust settles from Monday’s Politico story, prompted by a leaked draft opinion by Justice Samuel Alito, that the Supreme Court is poised to overturn Roe v. Wade.

A ruling of this magnitude is not just about the short term, however. Although Alito took pains in his opinion to state that the rationale for striking down Roe is limited to just the abortion issue, the willingness to disregard decades of settled law has certainly prompted speculation on what else might be in the Court’s sights. Is it possible that the legal foundation for other rights — like marriage equality, for example — will be targeted next by the conservative-dominated Court?

To get some answers, I reached out to 9 legal experts and asked them to step back from the news and look ahead to where the emboldened Supreme Court majority may be taking the country. Their full responses, edited for clarity and length, are below.

Melissa Murray, law professor, New York University
Although Justice Alito insisted that the draft opinion’s antipathy for settled precedent was limited to abortion, the opinion was littered with casual references to Lawrence v. Texas, a 2003 decision decriminalizing same-sex sodomy; Obergefell v. Hodges, a 2015 decision legalizing same-sex marriage; Griswold v. Connecticut, a 1965 decision that legalized contraceptive use; and Loving v. Virginia, the 1967 decision legalizing same-sex marriage.

More ominously, in a passage emphasizing judicial restraint, Justice Alito underscored that “respect for a legislature’s judgment applies even when the laws at issue concern matters of great social significance and moral substance.” It doesn’t take a clairvoyant to get the gist of this. What issues, beyond abortion, are leavened with “great social significance and moral substance?” Marriage, contraception, and the panoply of “heart and home” rights that scaffold our intimate lives.

Like the abortion right, these rights are implied from the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of liberty and the notion of constitutional privacy. And like abortion, they will come under fire as conservatives cast about for their next constitutional crusade.

Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, law professor, Stetson University
Justices who comprise the conservative majority on the Supreme Court have long been hostile to the right to privacy that was articulated in Griswold v. Connecticut, which protects the right to use contraception. Strict textualist justices claim the word “privacy” is not in the Constitution and thus the right to privacy does not exist.

This is the same rhetorical move that Justice Alito makes in his leaked opinion overturning Roe v. Wade. He claims that because the word “abortion” is not in the Constitution and that consequently the right to abortion does not exist.

The problem for our modern society is that many rights we care about have been protected as progeny of Griswold. This decision also gave us Loving v. Virginia, which invalidated an anti-miscegenation law, as well as Windsor and Obergefell, which articulated a right to marriage equality for same-sex couples.

After this [opinion], Loving, Windsor, and Obergefell are all on constitutionally thin ice. And the frustrating thing is Justice Alito’s ignoring the Ninth Amendment, which protects Americans’ unenumerated rights. As Roe recognized 49 years ago, the right to abortion is protected by the Ninth Amendment.

Or at least it did until this opinion becomes the law of the land.

“The last time that the Court was so closely aligned to a sectional movement during polarized time was the 1850s”

Other seven opinions here:  After Roe: 9 legal experts on what rights the Supreme Court might target next

[kadee79]

And I'll post this tweet without comment....just don't be drinking anything with the first joke!

[djAdvocate]

May 5, 2022 10:29:08 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

May 5, 2022 6:49:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Let me ask you a question. Would you rather your mother had an abortion so you were never born? If you have kids they wouldn't be here grand kids etc. I find it amazing the ones that want are for abortion are already born.

This argument is so ridiculous.

it really is.  but if we want to highly personalize this, 
YES.  i spent half of my life wishing that i had never been born.
i would imagine that i am hardly alone on that count.

so, by MY standard, i would welcome human extinction.
now, can we PLEASE stop personalizing this debate?

[djAdvocate]

May 5, 2022 10:44:59 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

And I'll post this tweet without comment....just don't be drinking anything with the first joke!

[justme]

May 5, 2022 9:57:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 5, 2022 9:47:08 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

how are you NOT forcing them? Not everyone has the same access to healthcare early in pregnancy. Women with irregular cycles may not even realize they're pregnant until after there's a heartbeat. So they may know they can't take care of a baby but because there's now a heartbeat, they are indeed going to be forced to continue the pregnancy because they may also not be able to afford traveling to a state where abortion is legal.

Like I said i'm not forcing them to do anything. 
I'm going to take rape out the equation for now that needs to go into another level. On just using abortion as a form of birth control I didn't force anyone to have sex either maybe better sex education would be better

Ignoring the ludicrousy of thinking you can take rape out of this discussion...

How many women are you ok with dying once it's illegal? 100? 1000? You're ok with a many women dying as necessary?

[moon/Laura]

May 5, 2022 9:49:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

Thank you for sharing must have been hard to do that. Reading your story a comment stuck out to me broke the cycle. My husband and I both came from abusive households alcohol, drugs, physical abuse. We use that comment all the time we broke the cycle. So yes I am fully aware that bad things happen it can be overcome and people can heal and move on. I don't think abortion is the answer to any of that

You would prefer that people suffer all their lives and perhaps cause suffering for their future children all their lives as well? Because it's only life that matters, and not the *quality* of life? What a fucking bullshit thing to say.

May 5, 2022 9:57:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Like I said i'm not forcing them to do anything. 
I'm going to take rape out the equation for now that needs to go into another level. On just using abortion as a form of birth control I didn't force anyone to have sex either maybe better sex education would be better

Uh, you are aware that birth control fails? Both of my sons were conceived while I was on birth control. So you're going to punish those who seek those who attempt to not become pregnant but somehow do anyway.


You still haven't explained to me why the religious right/conservatives have the right to dictate to everyone else what they're allowed to do with their own body. Who deemed you the supreme beings?

[djAdvocate]

May 5, 2022 11:06:54 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

May 5, 2022 9:49:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 5, 2022 9:57:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Uh, you are aware that birth control fails? Both of my sons were conceived while I was on birth control. So you're going to punish those who seek those who attempt to not become pregnant but somehow do anyway.


You still haven't explained to me why the religious right/conservatives have the right to dictate to everyone else what they're allowed to do with their own body. Who deemed you the supreme beings?

this is where this argument falls apart for me.  the pro-birth community says that unintended pregnancies are gifts from God.  no they aren't.  they are life-altering burdens for people that had no intention of starting families.  they are invitations to unhappiness and poverty.

i get that people like babies.  they are cute.  i like bunnies, too.  but i sure as fuck don't want a houseful of the miserable little shit factories.

[scgal]

May 5, 2022 11:06:54 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

May 5, 2022 9:49:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

Thank you for sharing must have been hard to do that. Reading your story a comment stuck out to me broke the cycle. My husband and I both came from abusive households alcohol, drugs, physical abuse. We use that comment all the time we broke the cycle. So yes I am fully aware that bad things happen it can be overcome and people can heal and move on. I don't think abortion is the answer to any of that

You would prefer that people suffer all their lives and perhaps cause suffering for their future children all their lives as well? Because it's only life that matters, and not the *quality* of life? What a fucking bullshit thing to say.

May 5, 2022 9:57:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Like I said i'm not forcing them to do anything. 
I'm going to take rape out the equation for now that needs to go into another level. On just using abortion as a form of birth control I didn't force anyone to have sex either maybe better sex education would be better

Uh, you are aware that birth control fails? Both of my sons were conceived while I was on birth control. So you're going to punish those who seek those who attempt to not become pregnant but somehow do anyway.


You still haven't explained to me why the religious right/conservatives have the right to dictate to everyone else what they're allowed to do with their own body. Who deemed you the supreme beings?

I can't explain it. I never claimed to be a supreme being. Nor do I classify myself as religious right. I lean right in my political views but not very religious at all. Why would you assume i'm religious? Hell i'm not even pro-life. 

As far as birth control fails sure that is part of the risk you take nothing is 100% but abortion as an option to mitigate that? 

[moon/Laura]

I didn't assume you were religious. That's why the word conservative was there. It was an and/or thing. But yes, if you get pregnant by accident when you're trying not to, abortion should be available for those who know they aren't in the right place to raise a child just then. And yet your side of the fence feel like your moral superiority should dictate for all. Fuck that. 

[jerseygirl]

Can the congress pass a law allowing abortion? If so why isn’t this being discussed?
Seems it wouldn’t be unconstitutional as the draft opinion just seems to say there is nothing about abortion in the constitution

[Tennesseer]

May 5, 2022 12:20:38 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Can the congress pass a law allowing abortion? If so why isn’t this being discussed?
Seems it wouldn’t be unconstitutional as the draft opinion just seems to say there is nothing about abortion in the constitution

Would require 60 yes votes in the Senate to pass. Talk of maybe getting rid of the filibuster which would then require a simple majority. VP Harris could break a 50/50 tie with her tie breaking vote.

[pulmonarymd]

May 5, 2022 12:20:38 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Can the congress pass a law allowing abortion? If so why isn’t this being discussed?
Seems it wouldn’t be unconstitutional as the draft opinion just seems to say there is nothing about abortion in the constitution

There is something called the filibuster. You seriously believe republicans wouldn't filibuster this? You know this, you are just trying to score some cheap political point.

[moon/Laura]

And yes, of course it can be said that the unwanted children who have been forced to have been born can be put up for adoption. But who will adopt all of them? In all seriousness, it's not that simple. The majority of those children will end up in the foster care system, and that is *rarely* a good outcome. What's the magic solution to that?

[imawino]

May 5, 2022 9:38:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 5, 2022 9:22:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

And I think someone who refuses to be vaccinated, refuses to tell a medically vulnerable person if they are vaccinated, and refuses to wear a mask to protect other, living, breathing individual and not a 6 week blob of cells is low on the bar of humanity. Yet you disagree

and yet you are comparing 2 different situations (most democrats do with whatabouisms). I'm really not that opposed to it before a heartbeat. 
As far as masks and vulnerable people how do you know if someone is vulnerable? If the person is vulnerable the responsibility is on them to protect themselves. You won't find in any of my posts that said I refuse to where a mask. You like to keep assuming.

You mean like "oh yeah, well whatabout if your mom aborted you"?  That sort of whataboutism?  

[djAdvocate]

May 5, 2022 12:20:38 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Can the congress pass a law allowing abortion? If so why isn’t this being discussed?
Seems it wouldn’t be unconstitutional as the draft opinion just seems to say there is nothing about abortion in the constitution

they are indeed talking about it.  Democrats, that is.

[jerseygirl]

May 5, 2022 12:25:37 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

May 5, 2022 12:20:38 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Can the congress pass a law allowing abortion? If so why isn’t this being discussed?
Seems it wouldn’t be unconstitutional as the draft opinion just seems to say there is nothing about abortion in the constitution

There is something called the filibuster. You seriously believe republicans wouldn't filibuster this? You know this, you are just trying to score some cheap political point.

Honestly no didn’t know 60 votes needed thought 51
I do think abortion should be legal certainty first trimester and medical, rape incest non viable fetus etc past the first trimester
But not partial birth abortion at almost full term and believe this might already be illegal?
You seem too ready to call Cheap political points

[imawino]

May 5, 2022 9:18:00 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

May 5, 2022 9:08:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

I do not think its a federal issue

Why do you think it is a state issue?

This is a good question which went ignored.  scgal if you believe a woman's right to an abortion is not for the federal government to decide, why is it for the state government to decide?  What makes one body of government superior to the other in determining what is best for women?  Any why would state to state inconsistency across the nation be beneficial to the health and wellbeing of women and children?

[billisonboard]

May 5, 2022 10:06:42 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 5, 2022 6:32:26 GMT -5 scgal said:

Posters get confused or take things out of context. I never said my body my choice on vaccinations or masks. What I said is I don't care if you were vaccinated when entering my home, an no one has the right to know if i'm vaccinated or not. Now if it was a law a person would have to comply with their vac card. If it was law you should comply. It's required to get a vaccination to go to school my kids were vaccinated.
 
Believe it or not I'm very sorry what your wife, and family went thru. If you read my post I said non medical abortions should not allowed, your wifes was medically necessary. 

If Roe gets overturned it goes back to the states. Its not that big of a deal people that believe in abortions should go to a state that coincides with their beliefs those that don't can do the same, or just deal with that states laws. 

until it is outlawed by CONGRESS.  do you really think that is not coming?  

how quaint.

scgal has indicated she does not support federal involvement in the matter so I have to assume she would oppose such a move.

[pulmonarymd]

May 5, 2022 12:47:52 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

May 5, 2022 12:25:37 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

There is something called the filibuster. You seriously believe republicans wouldn't filibuster this? You know this, you are just trying to score some cheap political point.

Honestly no didn’t know 60 votes needed thought 51
I do think abortion should be legal certainty first trimester and medical, rape incest non viable fetus etc past the first trimester
But not partial birth abortion at almost full term and believe this might already be illegal?
You seem too ready to call Cheap political points

There is no such thing as partial birth abortion. It is not a medical procedure. You are unaware that everything other than budget resolutions require 60 votes in the senate. Seriously?

Yes, saying Congress should pass something on this is a cheap political point. If it could have been done you do not think it would have been done when there was a Democratic president, house and senate. If it was that easy it would not have been the explosive issue it has been for 50 years.

[moon/Laura]

Late term abortions are basically never done unless medically necessary. I would say 99% (not based on fact, just opinion) of women who have carried a child that long WANT that child very much. They terminate only because of risk to themselves and /or  the fact that the fetus will not live, I'd think.

[Tiny]

May 5, 2022 6:49:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Let me ask you a question. Would you rather your mother had an abortion so you were never born? If you have kids they wouldn't be here grand kids etc. I find it amazing the ones that want are for abortion are already born. 

No I don't turn a blind eye to kids being tortured, but abortion is not the answer to stopping that either. 

As far as my religion sorry that's not it not very religious. I'm not pro-life either just anti- abortion

There are several programs out there to help with housing, food and medical. I do think there should be more i'm all for it.

You are using a fallacy to make your argument. Kind of like arguing that abortion is bad because the next Einstein or Mother Theresa might be aborted (no ever mentions that the next Gacy or Hitler might be aborted.... go figure.) It's arguing "after the fact".

FWIW: If I was aborted it wouldn't matter to me. I would not have been aware that it even happened. Do you remember anything from before you were conceived or before you were born??

ADDED: 
Have you thought about how  I wouldn't have been born  if  my mom had become pregnant a month earlier or a month later (a different egg and different sperm).   
Have you thought about that for yourself? 

Should I be concerned that I've never had children - all my eggs have been "wasted" - all those lives that never were...  is that a tragedy?  

Do you believe in Destiny? If my mom had had an abortion - would I some how been cheated out of fulfilling my "destiny"? (and what does that even say about free will... what a can of worms...)