Overturning Roe v Wade?

[tallguy]

Jun 30, 2022 12:12:30 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I listened to a podcast about adopting Native American children. They said that when the initial information about children and babies goes out, not only do they specify the child's race, but they rate their skin tone from light to dark. Children that can "pass" as white are second only to children that are racially designated as white. I don’t know if that is common practice or just the state in the story or just this agency, or maybe just related to indigenous adoptions. But, I doubt there will be a huge increase in the domestic supply of white or near white babies for adoption.

I know a young couple who are considering adoption.  They would be wonderful parents.  The husband suggested that they adopt a non-white child.  The wife quickly shut down that idea.  NO WAY is she willing to have a bi-racial family in Idaho.  Hard enough, I would guess, in more liberal areas, but Idaho?   

[pulmonarymd]

Because that would be raising taxes, and we can't do that!

[kadee79]

Take a listen to Trevor....

[daisylu]

I am making a list of states that I will never drive through, let alone visit. 

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When a reporter asked Gunn about the possibility of an exception in cases of incest, he said he was unsure "what the Legislature's appetite" would be for adding such an exception to the law.



The reporter then asked if he thought Mississippi's legislature should take another look at the matter, to which Gunn replied: "Personally, no. I do not."



"I believe life begins at conception. And every life is valuable. Those are my personal beliefs," he said.



Another reporter pressed Gunn on the point, asking if a 12-year-old child molested by her father or uncle should carry a resulting pregnancy to term.



"That is my personal belief," Gunn replied, reiterating his stance that life begins at conception.



Gunn added that he wanted the day to be about the reversal of Roe v. Wade.



"I want today to be about the fact that we have seen an end to abortion in this country. These other things that y'all are talking about are certainly things we can talk about moving forward. I do not want those things to detract from the significance of this day," he said.

How do people not understand that this will not end abortion? It MAY reduce SAFE abortions. Abortion has been practiced since ancient times, in many forms.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2022 6:30:32 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 27, 2022 21:02:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Well, we could over more affordable high quality day care, more opportunities for flex work, and quarantined 12 months parental leave . I certainly would have had a second baby if I’d had more than six week unpaid maternity leave, and if day care wasn’t so hard to find and didn’t cost so much. 

But no, let’s not use the carrot, let’s use the stick and try to trap women into birthing more white babies. That’s sure to work. 

Where would the money come from for all that?

cut the defense budget in half, raise taxes, balance the budget.

super easy, if you have your priorities straight.  most developed nations do.  we are the exception.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2022 7:23:19 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 30, 2022 7:01:20 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

If you look at the long term costs of unwanted kids born to women who are too poor to support them - for housing, and food stamps, and welfare, and healthcare, and the higher chance that child will end up in drug rehab and/or prison, providing easy access to low cost first and second term abortions is way, way more cost effective.

If the cost to society is all you’re worried about.

Think about what our society would be like if every child was born from a healthy, well fed mom, raised in a loving household, went to quality daycare and schools, and had access to good healthcare and college/trade schools. Can we really afford not to raise all our kids that way?

I wasn't thinking of it on the govt dime (our cost). I was thinking of it on the small businesses. Having a person paid for 12 mos is a huge expense not just in money but in labor. You cannot always get people to cover. There are other aspects to consider than just the individual

you just made an excellent case for why this should be a government program.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2022 7:53:17 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Other countries are able to do it. I guess it is just too hard for Americans

exactly.

i want to live in a country where national priorities make sense.
where PEOPLE come before other issues.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2022 8:21:38 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jun 30, 2022 6:35:43 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

And here we go. We can’t help all these people who are pregnant, it costs too much. Oh, I’m sorry that your fetus has these terrible genetic abnormalities. We can’t help you get the care you need after birth. You all should have planned better. If you do not want to be pregnant, don’t have sex.

That sums up the conservative position in this. We care up until birth. Maybe, just maybe, we should have thought about how we would deal with all these additional births before we threw this grenade. But no, we just don’t care

I have been told if they were stupid enough to have sex then they should just adopt the baby out to a couple who wants a child.!

except there are already more babies than adoptions.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2022 11:14:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 30, 2022 9:31:00 GMT -5 dondub said:

The bloated defense budget. Or would rather put armaments ahead of children?

why don't we keep doing what the past 2 admins do kick the can (scarcasm). I think it should be the states not the fed

past 2?  how about the past 10?  with the exception of Clinton, this goes all the way back to the 70's.

[tbop77]

'Playing with live ammunition': Kansas vote has Republicans rethinking abortion bans

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/playing-with-live-ammunition-kansas-vote-has-republicans-rethinking-abortion-bans/ar-AA10ngrT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6c99e67348df45d48ce7354fcd830aac

Wait what?  I thought this is what Republicans wanted.  Now are they against bans after all the blathering on about how precious every life is?  

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Aug 7, 2022 8:30:21 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

'Playing with live ammunition': Kansas vote has Republicans rethinking abortion bans

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/playing-with-live-ammunition-kansas-vote-has-republicans-rethinking-abortion-bans/ar-AA10ngrT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6c99e67348df45d48ce7354fcd830aac

Wait what?  I thought this is what Republicans wanted.  Now are they against bans after all the blathering on about how precious every life is?  

The cynical side of me says that is just vote-speak. If they get voted into office, they’ll go back to the status quo.

[teen persuasion]

Aug 7, 2022 8:30:21 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

'Playing with live ammunition': Kansas vote has Republicans rethinking abortion bans

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/playing-with-live-ammunition-kansas-vote-has-republicans-rethinking-abortion-bans/ar-AA10ngrT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6c99e67348df45d48ce7354fcd830aac

Wait what?  I thought this is what Republicans wanted.  Now are they against bans after all the blathering on about how precious every life is?  

Has South Carolina Republicans rethinking.

“The Kansas vote affirms what most of us know,” she explained. “It’s the people in my party, most all of them men, yelling the loudest that women should have zero choice from the moment of conception.”

It certainly didn't get Indiana Republicans rethinking - Dems wanted to give the voters a chance to weigh in. Nope, Republicans ramrodded thru the ban instead - because they now know what the voters will choose, if they get the choice.

[Opti]

Aug 7, 2022 10:15:40 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Aug 7, 2022 8:30:21 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

'Playing with live ammunition': Kansas vote has Republicans rethinking abortion bans

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/playing-with-live-ammunition-kansas-vote-has-republicans-rethinking-abortion-bans/ar-AA10ngrT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6c99e67348df45d48ce7354fcd830aac

Wait what?  I thought this is what Republicans wanted.  Now are they against bans after all the blathering on about how precious every life is?  

Has South Carolina Republicans rethinking.

“The Kansas vote affirms what most of us know,” she explained. “It’s the people in my party, most all of them men, yelling the loudest that women should have zero choice from the moment of conception.”

It certainly didn't get Indiana Republicans rethinking - Dems wanted to give the voters a chance to weigh in. Nope, Republicans ramrodded thru the ban instead - because they now know what the voters will choose, if they get the choice.

I think some people will flee Indiana and those who might have come to work at large companies, will not now. I hope it hurts them economically and they got their crap together and see what the public really wants.

[teen persuasion]

Eli Lilly was strongly hinting they might leave Indiana (expand elsewhere was what they did say). Twitter was all over it, saying they must be having trouble getting talent to go there. Then discussion went to all the big colleges and universities that teens are scratching off their lists altogether due to state policies.

[hurley1980]

Aug 7, 2022 12:06:06 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Eli Lilly was strongly hinting they might leave Indiana (expand elsewhere was what they did say). Twitter was all over it, saying they must be having trouble getting talent to go there. Then discussion went to all the big colleges and universities that teens are scratching off their lists altogether due to state policies.

I can't remember when, or if I said it here, but I mentioned the above when this whole shit show started.  Most girls are not going to want to attend college in a state where they have no right to an abortion if some douchebag frat guy drugs them and rapes them. Of course the chances of that actually happening are slim, but its still not worth the risk.

And of course women aren't going to want to relocate to a state for work, if that state thinks they are nothing more than baby bakers to start with. I wouldn't live/work in Indiana for a million dollar/year salary at this point. Fuck that. 

I also heard that the tv/movie industry is encouraging shows and movies not to be filmed in these states.  I can't imagine all those liberal actors would want to film in these backasswards states.  I'm thinking Georgia is about to lose a lot of revenue!

[thyme4change]

Once red states get rid of all those leftist blue voters, the conservatives will have a larger say in congress and an easier time winning the electoral college. Maybe we should do the opposite- pick purple states that are putting in restrictive laws and voting out all the douchebags who are leading that state, and representing that state in DC.

[chiver78]

ugh. 

Nebraska woman charged with helping her daughter have an abortion

[haapai]

Aug 10, 2022 12:09:01 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

ugh. 

Nebraska woman charged with helping her daughter have an abortion

I read the article.  It's a horrifying case. 

This may be the future.  The pills are out there.  There isn't much to stop someone from taking them past the age of fetal viability.