Overturning Roe v Wade?

[Value Buy]

May 4, 2022 7:39:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

One theory going around about who leaked this is that a conservative member of the court leaked it to force other conservatives who were wavering to fall in line with it.

The theory is Roberts wanted a less draconian decision- abortion allowed within the first trimester and allowances for later abortions for rape, incest or the health of the mother.

now you are just making stuff up.

[dondub]

Donnadub’s second miscarriage, of 4 we know of, required a D&E procedure. I guess these doinks would prefer everyone die.

Then we discovered what is considered the cause of the miscarriages...I have a 13TH and 14th chromosomal translocation. This was discovered while Dubette #2 was in utero. Her twin died and was ‘absorbed’. She has the mutation and the future risks involved. We decided to keep that fetus and she is a fabulous person with a very large thumb on one hand.

Then there was a college GF. I had graduated and moved back to Seattle. She was still in the college town. Raped and impregnated I gladly paid for the termination of what she called “the monster”. She then was informed she could not make the decision to have her tubes tied, because at age 21 this highly personal decision was not allowed.

All these so called child starving Christians can go fuck themselves!

[Tennesseer]

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

A vasectomy is a form of permanent birth control that prevents sperm from entering semen — the fluid ejaculated from the penis. The body still makes sperm, but sperm is absorbed by the body. Semen ejaculated after a vasectomy typically contains no sperm.

Under various U.S. laws, the youngest a person can be to have a vasectomy is typically between 16 and 18 depending on the age of legal consent in each state. Vasectomies at federally funded agencies require that you be at least 21 for this procedure.

In general, vasectomies are usually performed on people in their 20s, 30s, or beyond who’ve decided not to have children.

But some healthcare professionals may not agree to perform the procedure or refer you to a specialist based on a variety of factors, including the notion that you might regret the decision later in life.

A vasectomy can also be reversed, so it’s not entirely permanent. But though success rates for vasectomy reversals have improvedTrusted Source in recent years, reversal can be expensive and sometimes complex.

This means that getting a vasectomy at a young age should be carefully considered and discussed with healthcare professionals.

Read on to learn the average age that most people get vasectomies, whether you can be too advanced in age to get a vasectomy, how the procedure works, and how a reverse vasectomy can be done.

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

[Value Buy]

May 4, 2022 15:38:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

A vasectomy is a form of permanent birth control that prevents sperm from entering semen — the fluid ejaculated from the penis. The body still makes sperm, but sperm is absorbed by the body. Semen ejaculated after a vasectomy typically contains no sperm.

Under various U.S. laws, the youngest a person can be to have a vasectomy is typically between 16 and 18 depending on the age of legal consent in each state. Vasectomies at federally funded agencies require that you be at least 21 for this procedure.

In general, vasectomies are usually performed on people in their 20s, 30s, or beyond who’ve decided not to have children.

But some healthcare professionals may not agree to perform the procedure or refer you to a specialist based on a variety of factors, including the notion that you might regret the decision later in life.

A vasectomy can also be reversed, so it’s not entirely permanent. But though success rates for vasectomy reversals have improvedTrusted Source in recent years, reversal can be expensive and sometimes complex.

This means that getting a vasectomy at a young age should be carefully considered and discussed with healthcare professionals.

Read on to learn the average age that most people get vasectomies, whether you can be too advanced in age to get a vasectomy, how the procedure works, and how a reverse vasectomy can be done.

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

And yet people are allowed to let their children transition to the opposite sex these days at an early age.......and young women (at least in the recent past) are allowed abortions. Just pointing out the idiocy that Tennesseer shows us is happening in the country today. I am surprised this law with various differences between states has not been over turned by the Supreme Court.
Yes we have some seriously screwed up laws......

[pulmonarymd]

May 4, 2022 15:49:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 4, 2022 15:38:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

A vasectomy is a form of permanent birth control that prevents sperm from entering semen — the fluid ejaculated from the penis. The body still makes sperm, but sperm is absorbed by the body. Semen ejaculated after a vasectomy typically contains no sperm.

Under various U.S. laws, the youngest a person can be to have a vasectomy is typically between 16 and 18 depending on the age of legal consent in each state. Vasectomies at federally funded agencies require that you be at least 21 for this procedure.

In general, vasectomies are usually performed on people in their 20s, 30s, or beyond who’ve decided not to have children.

But some healthcare professionals may not agree to perform the procedure or refer you to a specialist based on a variety of factors, including the notion that you might regret the decision later in life.

A vasectomy can also be reversed, so it’s not entirely permanent. But though success rates for vasectomy reversals have improvedTrusted Source in recent years, reversal can be expensive and sometimes complex.

This means that getting a vasectomy at a young age should be carefully considered and discussed with healthcare professionals.

Read on to learn the average age that most people get vasectomies, whether you can be too advanced in age to get a vasectomy, how the procedure works, and how a reverse vasectomy can be done.

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

And yet people are allowed to let their children transition to the opposite sex these days at an early age.......and young women (at least in the recent past) are allowed abortions. Just pointing out the idiocy that Tennesseer shows us is happening in the country today. I am surprised this law with various differences between states has not been over turned by the Supreme Court.
Yes we have some seriously screwed up laws......

Children do not transition at an early age. They initially are put on hormone blockers if they are before puberty, and they the go on hormones. None of their results in permanent changes. If the hormones are stopped they will return to the sex of their birth. Surgery is not done on minors, despite the republicans pushing that narrative.

A good deal of the resistance to sterilization has to do with the risk of a malpractice suit should someone be sterilized at a young age change the mind about having children. I believe the concern is overblown, but that leads to reluctance.

It has nothing to do with laws. Unlike what republicans plan to do if Roe vs Wade is overturned

[moon/Laura]

May 4, 2022 15:49:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 4, 2022 15:38:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

A vasectomy is a form of permanent birth control that prevents sperm from entering semen — the fluid ejaculated from the penis. The body still makes sperm, but sperm is absorbed by the body. Semen ejaculated after a vasectomy typically contains no sperm.

Under various U.S. laws, the youngest a person can be to have a vasectomy is typically between 16 and 18 depending on the age of legal consent in each state. Vasectomies at federally funded agencies require that you be at least 21 for this procedure.

In general, vasectomies are usually performed on people in their 20s, 30s, or beyond who’ve decided not to have children.

But some healthcare professionals may not agree to perform the procedure or refer you to a specialist based on a variety of factors, including the notion that you might regret the decision later in life.

A vasectomy can also be reversed, so it’s not entirely permanent. But though success rates for vasectomy reversals have improvedTrusted Source in recent years, reversal can be expensive and sometimes complex.

This means that getting a vasectomy at a young age should be carefully considered and discussed with healthcare professionals.

Read on to learn the average age that most people get vasectomies, whether you can be too advanced in age to get a vasectomy, how the procedure works, and how a reverse vasectomy can be done.

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

And yet people are allowed to let their children transition to the opposite sex these days at an early age.......and young women (at least in the recent past) are allowed abortions. Just pointing out the idiocy that Tennesseer shows us is happening in the country today. I am surprised this law with various differences between states has not been over turned by the Supreme Court.
Yes we have some seriously screwed up laws......

It's idiocy to allow people to make their own reproductive choices when they're of age to do so? WTAF? Tenn's post relates to mine, where I stated that women often aren't "allowed" to be sterilized when they want to be because "what if you change your mind?" So what? MY BODY. *I* get to decide whether I want child bearing options removed. No one else should have a say in it. EVER.

And Tenn's article doesn't state whether or not a man would be outright refused a vasectomy just because he's young, like women are refused tubal ligations.

Editing to add that vasectomies and tubals can often be reversed if indeed the person changes their mind. It doesn't guarantee success but ....

[Tennesseer]

May 4, 2022 15:49:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 4, 2022 15:38:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

A vasectomy is a form of permanent birth control that prevents sperm from entering semen — the fluid ejaculated from the penis. The body still makes sperm, but sperm is absorbed by the body. Semen ejaculated after a vasectomy typically contains no sperm.

Under various U.S. laws, the youngest a person can be to have a vasectomy is typically between 16 and 18 depending on the age of legal consent in each state. Vasectomies at federally funded agencies require that you be at least 21 for this procedure.

In general, vasectomies are usually performed on people in their 20s, 30s, or beyond who’ve decided not to have children.

But some healthcare professionals may not agree to perform the procedure or refer you to a specialist based on a variety of factors, including the notion that you might regret the decision later in life.

A vasectomy can also be reversed, so it’s not entirely permanent. But though success rates for vasectomy reversals have improvedTrusted Source in recent years, reversal can be expensive and sometimes complex.

This means that getting a vasectomy at a young age should be carefully considered and discussed with healthcare professionals.

Read on to learn the average age that most people get vasectomies, whether you can be too advanced in age to get a vasectomy, how the procedure works, and how a reverse vasectomy can be done.

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

And yet people are allowed to let their children transition to the opposite sex these days at an early age.......and young women (at least in the recent past) are allowed abortions. Just pointing out the idiocy that Tennesseer shows us is happening in the country today. I am surprised this law with various differences between states has not been over turned by the Supreme Court.
Yes we have some seriously screwed up laws......

Bless your heart.

[Tennesseer]

And it has started.

Former 'National Review' Editor Calls for Supreme Court to Overturn Brown v. Board Next

Monday night’s leak of a draft opinion showing that the Supreme Court is ready to fully overturn Roe v. Wade has prompted many a conservative to show their retrograde, bigoted asses and confirm that the end of Roe will also affect many, many other rights and freedoms.

One conservative, in particular, took to the alt-right social media site Gab to call for the court to overturn Brown v. Board of Education, the 1954 case that struck down racial segregation in public schools.

Peter Brimelow is a former editor at the conservative National Review (a relatively mainstream publication!) who now runs a white nationalist website called VDare; the site’s tagline is “we inform the fight to keep America American.” Brimelow shared the story about the leak on Gab, per extremism reporter Nick Martin, and seemed excited about the prospect of legal public segregation: “Next stop Brown vs. Board!”

Brimelow also called for the court to overturn New York Times v. Sullivan, a landmark press freedom case that required people suing for libel to prove that false statements were maliciously made. We should note that Brimelow is currently suing the Times for referring to him as a white nationalist (he prefers “civic nationalist”).

Brown is the case that overruled Plessy v. Ferguson and its odious “separate but equal” doctrine because the court said it violated the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause, which holds that states can’t “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

(Dozens of federal judges appointed by President Donald Trump refused to say during their confirmation hearings if Brown was correctly decided, and some only started doing so after complaints from the only Black Republican Senator, Tim Scott of South Carolina.)

Not only is it disgusting to call for the court to overturn Brown, it’s a bit awkward for the more “mainstream” conservatives who have touted the case as a righteous example of the Supreme Court overruling precedent. People including Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) and Justice Brett Kavanaugh have cited the vile decision in Plessy in their long campaign to undermine Roe.

So now Brimelow, and other people who think like him, are openly admitting that not only do they want to end protections for abortion, they want to legalize segregation. Just great.

Article here: Former 'National Review' Editor Calls for Supreme Court to Overturn Brown v. Board Next

[weltschmerz]

May 4, 2022 15:10:09 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

What about fetuses with abnormalities incompatible with life (child's, mother's or both)? It's ok for the mother to maybe die carrying that pregnancy to term?

What if parents aren't financially (or emotionally) able to care for a severely handicapped child? Are the sanctimonious, righteous righties going to step up and care for them? HAHAHAHH no because it's only the pregnancy that matters, not the actual child once it's born.

And there's still the stupidity surrounding ectopic pregnancies. How can that be considered an abortion when there's ZERO chance of that pregnancy being viable?

I just can't wrap my head around the mentality that one sector of our population thinks it has the right to unilaterally make this type of decision for everyone. Who the F do they think they are?

Republicans want the ectopic zygote to be implanted in the uterus, a procedure that DOES NOT EXIST!!

[weltschmerz]

May 4, 2022 15:49:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 4, 2022 15:38:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

A vasectomy is a form of permanent birth control that prevents sperm from entering semen — the fluid ejaculated from the penis. The body still makes sperm, but sperm is absorbed by the body. Semen ejaculated after a vasectomy typically contains no sperm.

Under various U.S. laws, the youngest a person can be to have a vasectomy is typically between 16 and 18 depending on the age of legal consent in each state. Vasectomies at federally funded agencies require that you be at least 21 for this procedure.

In general, vasectomies are usually performed on people in their 20s, 30s, or beyond who’ve decided not to have children.

But some healthcare professionals may not agree to perform the procedure or refer you to a specialist based on a variety of factors, including the notion that you might regret the decision later in life.

A vasectomy can also be reversed, so it’s not entirely permanent. But though success rates for vasectomy reversals have improvedTrusted Source in recent years, reversal can be expensive and sometimes complex.

This means that getting a vasectomy at a young age should be carefully considered and discussed with healthcare professionals.

Read on to learn the average age that most people get vasectomies, whether you can be too advanced in age to get a vasectomy, how the procedure works, and how a reverse vasectomy can be done.

How Old Do You Have To Be To Get a Vasectomy?

And yet people are allowed to let their children transition to the opposite sex these days at an early age.......and young women (at least in the recent past) are allowed abortions. Just pointing out the idiocy that Tennesseer shows us is happening in the country today. I am surprised this law with various differences between states has not been over turned by the Supreme Court.
Yes we have some seriously screwed up laws......

They most certainly DO NOT let their children transition at an early age......not even in uber-liberal Canada.

[Opti]

May 4, 2022 16:23:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And it has started.

Former 'National Review' Editor Calls for Supreme Court to Overturn Brown v. Board Next

Monday night’s leak of a draft opinion showing that the Supreme Court is ready to fully overturn Roe v. Wade has prompted many a conservative to show their retrograde, bigoted asses and confirm that the end of Roe will also affect many, many other rights and freedoms.

One conservative, in particular, took to the alt-right social media site Gab to call for the court to overturn Brown v. Board of Education, the 1954 case that struck down racial segregation in public schools.

Peter Brimelow is a former editor at the conservative National Review (a relatively mainstream publication!) who now runs a white nationalist website called VDare; the site’s tagline is “we inform the fight to keep America American.” Brimelow shared the story about the leak on Gab, per extremism reporter Nick Martin, and seemed excited about the prospect of legal public segregation: “Next stop Brown vs. Board!”

Brimelow also called for the court to overturn New York Times v. Sullivan, a landmark press freedom case that required people suing for libel to prove that false statements were maliciously made. We should note that Brimelow is currently suing the Times for referring to him as a white nationalist (he prefers “civic nationalist”).

Brown is the case that overruled Plessy v. Ferguson and its odious “separate but equal” doctrine because the court said it violated the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause, which holds that states can’t “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

(Dozens of federal judges appointed by President Donald Trump refused to say during their confirmation hearings if Brown was correctly decided, and some only started doing so after complaints from the only Black Republican Senator, Tim Scott of South Carolina.)

Not only is it disgusting to call for the court to overturn Brown, it’s a bit awkward for the more “mainstream” conservatives who have touted the case as a righteous example of the Supreme Court overruling precedent. People including Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) and Justice Brett Kavanaugh have cited the vile decision in Plessy in their long campaign to undermine Roe.

So now Brimelow, and other people who think like him, are openly admitting that not only do they want to end protections for abortion, they want to legalize segregation. Just great.

Article here: Former 'National Review' Editor Calls for Supreme Court to Overturn Brown v. Board Next

No. Its creepy that a guy born in England who might have come to America to attend Stanford in the early 70s is opining about a decision he didn't live through. 

[weltschmerz]

Gender reassignment surgery is typically only available to those 18 and older in the United States.

www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/05/viral-image/no-young-children-cannot-take-hormones-or-change-t/

Value Buy....got anything else to throw at the wall, hoping it will stick?

[Opti]

May 4, 2022 16:37:50 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 4, 2022 15:10:09 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

What about fetuses with abnormalities incompatible with life (child's, mother's or both)? It's ok for the mother to maybe die carrying that pregnancy to term?

What if parents aren't financially (or emotionally) able to care for a severely handicapped child? Are the sanctimonious, righteous righties going to step up and care for them? HAHAHAHH no because it's only the pregnancy that matters, not the actual child once it's born.

And there's still the stupidity surrounding ectopic pregnancies. How can that be considered an abortion when there's ZERO chance of that pregnancy being viable?

I just can't wrap my head around the mentality that one sector of our population thinks it has the right to unilaterally make this type of decision for everyone. Who the F do they think they are?

Republicans want the ectopic zygote to be implanted in the uterus, a procedure that DOES NOT EXIST!!

And I believe I read most of the bolded pregnancies are discovered after the fetus has already died. 

[moon/Laura]

May 4, 2022 16:37:50 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 4, 2022 15:10:09 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

What about fetuses with abnormalities incompatible with life (child's, mother's or both)? It's ok for the mother to maybe die carrying that pregnancy to term?

What if parents aren't financially (or emotionally) able to care for a severely handicapped child? Are the sanctimonious, righteous righties going to step up and care for them? HAHAHAHH no because it's only the pregnancy that matters, not the actual child once it's born.

And there's still the stupidity surrounding ectopic pregnancies. How can that be considered an abortion when there's ZERO chance of that pregnancy being viable?

I just can't wrap my head around the mentality that one sector of our population thinks it has the right to unilaterally make this type of decision for everyone. Who the F do they think they are?

Republicans want the ectopic zygote to be implanted in the uterus, a procedure that DOES NOT EXIST!!

Exactly my point. It's not viable, no way, no how, no matter how much bible-thumping you do. It's sheer idiocy, perpetrated by people who feel they're superior to everyone else.

[Opti]

Another sad story.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senator-brings-up-family-s-abortion-story-as-future-of-roe-v-wade-in-jeopardy/ar-AAWV6EC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ff58ecab6f9a4b9b96eae66bf2e0e3c5


His wife's water broke four months into her pregnancy and their doctor explained that the fetus could not survive.
"That means the amniotic fluid was gone out," Peters said. "Even though there's this heartbeat . . . there's no protection in the uterus anymore. So it's a pretty horrible thing that can happen."

The couple was told to go home to miscarry naturally, according to Peters.



"You can imagine the emotional anguish, that she had to go home knowing that we were going to lose a baby that we wanted and she was going to suffer a miscarriage at some point in the next few hours," the senator said.



When the miscarriage didn't happen naturally over the next two days, the couple went back and forth to the hospital but were denied appeals for an abortion procedure even though their doctor said Heidi could lose her uterus or die of sepsis, Peters said.

[happyhoix]

Marco Rubio is jumping on the bandwagon to introduce a bill that will prohibit employers from paying transportation costs for their employees who have to go a long distance to get an abortion or trans surgery.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-marco-rubio-s-new-bill-wouldn-t-let-employers-deduct-travel-expenses-that-pay-for-abortion-or-trans-care-for-minors/ar-AAWVCW3?ocid=EMMX&cvid=c9da029154fc44a780a879fc5687c002

Called - of course - No Tax Breaks for Radical corporate activism act.

Remind me - was Rubio one of the ones having melt downs when the government tried to get corporations to require mask mandates for COVID - too much government interference in private industry!!! I guess except when the government wants to tell corporations how to handle their health care plans, which is totally different and perfectly acceptable.

[happyhoix]

May 4, 2022 15:22:17 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 4, 2022 7:39:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

One theory going around about who leaked this is that a conservative member of the court leaked it to force other conservatives who were wavering to fall in line with it.

The theory is Roberts wanted a less draconian decision- abortion allowed within the first trimester and allowances for later abortions for rape, incest or the health of the mother.

now you are just making stuff up.

Google is your friend. From the radicals at Reuters. 

www.reuters.com/legal/government/whodunit-theories-swirl-over-us-supreme-courts-leaked-abortion-opinion-2022-05-03/

[billisonboard]

May 4, 2022 8:00:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't think abortion should be a federal matter. It's not an equality issue like race, or gay marriage. 
...

Yeah, it's a medical matter. My hemorrhoids weren't an equality issue either so rightfully weren't a federal matter. Come to think of it, it wasn't a state matter either. Just me, a pain in my ass, and my doctor.

[scgal]

May 4, 2022 13:04:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

May 4, 2022 11:35:00 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

It ABSOLUTLEY is an equality thing, sex is a protected class.  This is denying women safe reproductive health care based on their sex, the fact that they are female.  How you can think otherwise is astounding.

Exactly. I'd love it if scgal (or someone else) could explain why men can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, while women can't. Why are men making ANY choices for women, reproductively speaking?

Why does a young woman who's made the decision NOT to ever have children get told 'no, we won't perform that surgery on you' because they think she'll change her mind? Does a young man face that same ridiculous bullshit? I mean.. not all women can use birth control due to side effects. Even if they can, it can fail. Condoms fail too. So it would seem like if that young woman knows she doesn't want kids, a medical "professional" should be taking care of her wishes instead of denying them based on their opinions/feelings.

Don't make choices for others based on those you would make for yourself. Everyone should have the same right to make their own decisions.

Ok here goes I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and I may get a time out but you asked.
When a child is born the parent or parents have an legal obligation to keep the child alive in other words don't kill the kid. When a woman becomes pregnant and a heartbeat is found a voluntary non medical necessary abortion should no longer be allowed. If it is don it should be classified as murder. 
Now the bullshit my body my choice boo hoo crap. It is our choice to have sex, protect ourselves the best we can, etc those are choices but once pregnant and a heartbeat is found it is no longer your body the only choice is to make sure we protect the baby.  

[dondub]

May 4, 2022 18:21:26 GMT -5 Opti said:

Another sad story.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senator-brings-up-family-s-abortion-story-as-future-of-roe-v-wade-in-jeopardy/ar-AAWV6EC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ff58ecab6f9a4b9b96eae66bf2e0e3c5


His wife's water broke four months into her pregnancy and their doctor explained that the fetus could not survive.
"That means the amniotic fluid was gone out," Peters said. "Even though there's this heartbeat . . . there's no protection in the uterus anymore. So it's a pretty horrible thing that can happen."

The couple was told to go home to miscarry naturally, according to Peters.



"You can imagine the emotional anguish, that she had to go home knowing that we were going to lose a baby that we wanted and she was going to suffer a miscarriage at some point in the next few hours," the senator said.



When the miscarriage didn't happen naturally over the next two days, the couple went back and forth to the hospital but were denied appeals for an abortion procedure even though their doctor said Heidi could lose her uterus or die of sepsis, Peters said.

Donnadub’s water broke about the 4 month mark too. We were at the Mariner’s home opener of all places. As Washington is a sane state, she was able to get in for her D&E right away.

[dondub]

May 4, 2022 19:06:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 4, 2022 13:04:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Exactly. I'd love it if scgal (or someone else) could explain why men can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, while women can't. Why are men making ANY choices for women, reproductively speaking?

Why does a young woman who's made the decision NOT to ever have children get told 'no, we won't perform that surgery on you' because they think she'll change her mind? Does a young man face that same ridiculous bullshit? I mean.. not all women can use birth control due to side effects. Even if they can, it can fail. Condoms fail too. So it would seem like if that young woman knows she doesn't want kids, a medical "professional" should be taking care of her wishes instead of denying them based on their opinions/feelings.

Don't make choices for others based on those you would make for yourself. Everyone should have the same right to make their own decisions.

Ok here goes I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and I may get a time out but you asked.
When a child is born the parent or parents have an legal obligation to keep the child alive in other words don't kill the kid. When a woman becomes pregnant and a heartbeat is found a voluntary non medical necessary abortion should no longer be allowed. If it is don it should be classified as murder. 
Now the bullshit my body my choice boo hoo crap. It is our choice to have sex, protect ourselves the best we can, etc those are choices but once pregnant and a heartbeat is found it is no longer your body the only choice is to make sure we protect the baby.  

u

That’s an interesting medical opinion. As soon as a heartbeat is found the pregnant woman is completely out of the loop. Their uterus is “no longer your body”. Fascinating.

[giramomma]

May 4, 2022 19:06:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 4, 2022 13:04:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Exactly. I'd love it if scgal (or someone else) could explain why men can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, while women can't. Why are men making ANY choices for women, reproductively speaking?

Why does a young woman who's made the decision NOT to ever have children get told 'no, we won't perform that surgery on you' because they think she'll change her mind? Does a young man face that same ridiculous bullshit? I mean.. not all women can use birth control due to side effects. Even if they can, it can fail. Condoms fail too. So it would seem like if that young woman knows she doesn't want kids, a medical "professional" should be taking care of her wishes instead of denying them based on their opinions/feelings.

Don't make choices for others based on those you would make for yourself. Everyone should have the same right to make their own decisions.

Ok here goes I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and I may get a time out but you asked.
When a child is born the parent or parents have an legal obligation to keep the child alive in other words don't kill the kid. When a woman becomes pregnant and a heartbeat is found a voluntary non medical necessary abortion should no longer be allowed. If it is don it should be classified as murder. 
Now the bullshit my body my choice boo hoo crap. It is our choice to have sex, protect ourselves the best we can, etc those are choices but once pregnant and a heartbeat is found it is no longer your body the only choice is to make sure we protect the baby.  

Rape is a choice?

Sexual coercion doesn't exist? Folks like Jeffery Epstein are people that we just made up? He never existed? Everyone was just wrong about Epstein?

Martial rape is a figment of our imagination?

ETA: Bill Cosby comes to mind....as well, or maybe not. Maybe that was all made up about him as well? Those women coming forward...were they all liars?

[pulmonarymd]

May 4, 2022 19:06:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 4, 2022 13:04:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Exactly. I'd love it if scgal (or someone else) could explain why men can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, while women can't. Why are men making ANY choices for women, reproductively speaking?

Why does a young woman who's made the decision NOT to ever have children get told 'no, we won't perform that surgery on you' because they think she'll change her mind? Does a young man face that same ridiculous bullshit? I mean.. not all women can use birth control due to side effects. Even if they can, it can fail. Condoms fail too. So it would seem like if that young woman knows she doesn't want kids, a medical "professional" should be taking care of her wishes instead of denying them based on their opinions/feelings.

Don't make choices for others based on those you would make for yourself. Everyone should have the same right to make their own decisions.

Ok here goes I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and I may get a time out but you asked.
When a child is born the parent or parents have an legal obligation to keep the child alive in other words don't kill the kid. When a woman becomes pregnant and a heartbeat is found a voluntary non medical necessary abortion should no longer be allowed. If it is don it should be classified as murder. 
Now the bullshit my body my choice boo hoo crap. It is our choice to have sex, protect ourselves the best we can, etc those are choices but once pregnant and a heartbeat is found it is no longer your body the only choice is to make sure we protect the baby.  

Yet you have no problem when invoking “my body, my choice” when it comes to vaccination. You don’t think the unvaccinated should have any duty to tell medically fragile individuals if the are vaccinated, even if it could kill them. Conservatives have no problem invoking the same phrase when it comes to masks. You sure have a strange idea of freedom.

Show me one of these conservative states that are allowing any medically necessary second trimester abortion. They all seem to be proud that they are banning all abortions. You think my wife should have had her life threatened instead of allowing an abortion. Again, your compassion is overwhelming

[Tennesseer]

May 4, 2022 19:15:07 GMT -5 dondub said:

May 4, 2022 19:06:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

Ok here goes I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and I may get a time out but you asked.
When a child is born the parent or parents have an legal obligation to keep the child alive in other words don't kill the kid. When a woman becomes pregnant and a heartbeat is found a voluntary non medical necessary abortion should no longer be allowed. If it is don it should be classified as murder. 
Now the bullshit my body my choice boo hoo crap. It is our choice to have sex, protect ourselves the best we can, etc those are choices but once pregnant and a heartbeat is found it is no longer your body the only choice is to make sure we protect the baby.  

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That’s an interesting medical opinion. As soon as a heartbeat is found the pregnant woman is completely out of the loop. Their uterus is “no longer your body”. Fascinating.

Probably a good time to give the just detected heartbeat 'baby' gender altering hormone shots. It's never too early to transition your 'baby'.

[grumpyhermit]

May 4, 2022 19:06:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 4, 2022 13:04:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Exactly. I'd love it if scgal (or someone else) could explain why men can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, while women can't. Why are men making ANY choices for women, reproductively speaking?

Why does a young woman who's made the decision NOT to ever have children get told 'no, we won't perform that surgery on you' because they think she'll change her mind? Does a young man face that same ridiculous bullshit? I mean.. not all women can use birth control due to side effects. Even if they can, it can fail. Condoms fail too. So it would seem like if that young woman knows she doesn't want kids, a medical "professional" should be taking care of her wishes instead of denying them based on their opinions/feelings.

Don't make choices for others based on those you would make for yourself. Everyone should have the same right to make their own decisions.

Ok here goes I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and I may get a time out but you asked.
When a child is born the parent or parents have an legal obligation to keep the child alive in other words don't kill the kid. When a woman becomes pregnant and a heartbeat is found a voluntary non medical necessary abortion should no longer be allowed. If it is don it should be classified as murder. 
Now the bullshit my body my choice boo hoo crap. It is our choice to have sex, protect ourselves the best we can, etc those are choices but once pregnant and a heartbeat is found it is no longer your body the only choice is to make sure we protect the baby.  

Which is exactly why we need laws to protect abortion access in this country. 

People should not be able to dictate the medical decisions of other people based on their personal beliefs and feelings. 

[Opti]

May 4, 2022 19:06:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 4, 2022 13:04:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Exactly. I'd love it if scgal (or someone else) could explain why men can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, while women can't. Why are men making ANY choices for women, reproductively speaking?

Why does a young woman who's made the decision NOT to ever have children get told 'no, we won't perform that surgery on you' because they think she'll change her mind? Does a young man face that same ridiculous bullshit? I mean.. not all women can use birth control due to side effects. Even if they can, it can fail. Condoms fail too. So it would seem like if that young woman knows she doesn't want kids, a medical "professional" should be taking care of her wishes instead of denying them based on their opinions/feelings.

Don't make choices for others based on those you would make for yourself. Everyone should have the same right to make their own decisions.

Ok here goes I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and I may get a time out but you asked.
When a child is born the parent or parents have an legal obligation to keep the child alive in other words don't kill the kid. When a woman becomes pregnant and a heartbeat is found a voluntary non medical necessary abortion should no longer be allowed. If it is don it should be classified as murder. 
Now the bullshit my body my choice boo hoo crap. It is our choice to have sex, protect ourselves the best we can, etc those are choices but once pregnant and a heartbeat is found it is no longer your body the only choice is to make sure we protect the baby.  

You are right. I totally disagree with you. I believe existing life should take precedence over that which may become a baby that can survive independent of the mother. It is always the woman's body, always. If you choose to have those views for yourself, fine, but it is not right to force your crazy beliefs on me or anyone else. And try to remember a significant portion of pregnancies do not result in a full term baby. That's a nature thing and stupid ill conceived laws won't change that. 

You might want to read this article, to see how another faith sees it. 

www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/mind-and-soul/rabbi-reveals-why-abortion-access-is-important-and-supported-by-scripture/ar-AAWVDH7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9bd80074e0f64f8f831149d4993a2700

[pulmonarymd]

Theses conservatives are more concerned with a 6 week embryo than they are with a 35 yo transplant patient who is a mother of two. They have no concern that they could expose the 35 yo to a potentially fatal disease and leave those children childless, but are vociferously in favor of any restrictions to protect a 6 week embryo. And they have no problem saying that.

They need to face the inhumanity of their beliefs in all their glory

[moon/Laura]

May 4, 2022 19:06:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 4, 2022 13:04:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Exactly. I'd love it if scgal (or someone else) could explain why men can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, while women can't. Why are men making ANY choices for women, reproductively speaking?

Why does a young woman who's made the decision NOT to ever have children get told 'no, we won't perform that surgery on you' because they think she'll change her mind? Does a young man face that same ridiculous bullshit? I mean.. not all women can use birth control due to side effects. Even if they can, it can fail. Condoms fail too. So it would seem like if that young woman knows she doesn't want kids, a medical "professional" should be taking care of her wishes instead of denying them based on their opinions/feelings.

Don't make choices for others based on those you would make for yourself. Everyone should have the same right to make their own decisions.

Ok here goes I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and I may get a time out but you asked.
When a child is born the parent or parents have an legal obligation to keep the child alive in other words don't kill the kid. When a woman becomes pregnant and a heartbeat is found a voluntary non medical necessary abortion should no longer be allowed. If it is don it should be classified as murder. 
Now the bullshit my body my choice boo hoo crap. It is our choice to have sex, protect ourselves the best we can, etc those are choices but once pregnant and a heartbeat is found it is no longer your body the only choice is to make sure we protect the baby.  

You know, I should not have asked that question because it leads right to the morality issue I said to stay away from earlier. Sorry. Anyway, none of that is anything but your opinion and no one else is obligated to do anything based on it. You can make your choices but you should not get to make mine. Why do you feel it's your right to do so?

[Opti]

May 4, 2022 19:42:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Theses conservatives are more concerned with a 6 week embryo than they are with a 35 yo transplant patient who is a mother of two. They have no concern that they could expose the 35 yo to a potentially fatal disease and leave those children childless, but are vociferously in favor of any restrictions to protect a 6 week embryo. And they have no problem saying that.

They need to face the inhumanity of their beliefs in all their glory

Plus both your story and Dondub's could have left children motherless and husbands without a wife. 

[Tiny]

May 4, 2022 19:06:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 4, 2022 13:04:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Exactly. I'd love it if scgal (or someone else) could explain why men can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, while women can't. Why are men making ANY choices for women, reproductively speaking?

Why does a young woman who's made the decision NOT to ever have children get told 'no, we won't perform that surgery on you' because they think she'll change her mind? Does a young man face that same ridiculous bullshit? I mean.. not all women can use birth control due to side effects. Even if they can, it can fail. Condoms fail too. So it would seem like if that young woman knows she doesn't want kids, a medical "professional" should be taking care of her wishes instead of denying them based on their opinions/feelings.

Don't make choices for others based on those you would make for yourself. Everyone should have the same right to make their own decisions.

Ok here goes I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and I may get a time out but you asked.
When a child is born the parent or parents have an legal obligation to keep the child alive in other words don't kill the kid. When a woman becomes pregnant and a heartbeat is found a voluntary non medical necessary abortion should no longer be allowed. If it is don it should be classified as murder. 
Now the bullshit my body my choice boo hoo crap. It is our choice to have sex, protect ourselves the best we can, etc those are choices but once pregnant and a heartbeat is found it is no longer your body the only choice is to make sure we protect the baby.  

That's just cold and without compassion.    I feel I can say that - as I strongly suspect I was an unwanted child.  Nothing like being a burden to  your parents and them letting you know you are in so many little ways every day.      FWIW:  my mom was 44 yo when she got pregnant with me.  I strongly suspect I was a surprise and not a happy one.  

I strongly suspect that a lot of middle aged and beyond women have abortions - when they have an unexpected and unwanted surprise.    Although maybe now a days women who have children in their 20's and early 30's get their tubes tied after they have deemed they are done having children.  But still I suspect that if a 25 year old woman says she's done having kids - that she MIGHT get some push back on getting her tubes tied.   I know a few 30 somethings that still use oral birth control... even though they have tween kids.  


Your views do  explain why so many people turn a blind eye to child abuse - as long as you don't kill the kid - it's ok to torture them.   

I find it so weird that it's super important to spend lots of money and do all sorts of things to make sure a woman brings a baby she doesn't want to term... that TAX DOLLARS are spent on this...  and then it's "Our work is done here."    No support for that mother, no money to help provide for that child, perhaps a subpar education for that child. Oh no! we can't spend OUR tax dollars on this... it's NOT our problem.    

Is human suffering an important component of your religious beliefs?     Just curious.   I grew up Catholic and suffering was VERY important.