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Post by daisylu on Jun 30, 2024 6:33:46 GMT -5
I won’t quote the post, but even though I’m not willing to research it and provide links to confirm my thoughts, I tend to disagree that the Boomers are the poorest demographic. It seems to me that they are the generation that had the most opportunities to be successful and not poor. I think my generation had the potential for a good start in life, IF our Boomer parents did this and that to help us have a good start, and I don’t mean just with financial resources. I feel bad for my children’s generation, because the world has changed so much since the time between when they were born and when they became adults, so trying to do the same thing or better than what even I was able to do as a blue collar worker is even more difficult for them in general. I won’t even get into Gen Z and what I perceive as their challenges. Micro generation of 1960 to 1964, and I can prove it in Engineering etc. It is very well documented fwiw. Its why I am somewhat I think attracted to the start of what they call the Millennial generation. Their experience echoes mine and many of my fellow engineering grads. Disagree away. My parents were Silent generation. I am not the Boomer some of the collective you like to treat me as. You really have no clue. I've done the research, I've lived it. I'm not the 1946 to early 1950s peeps like Trump or even Hillary. This is hardcore leading edge of death of pensions, 401Ks started, etc. outsourcing carp ad nauseum. I am degreed STEM. Twice. My friends are as well. From what I recall you are not using your degrees in your current field? You made choices that got you here. Most boomers I know are living above average. I was born in 75 and I have a pension.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 7:22:04 GMT -5
Well, I didn't get the house. Back to searching. Who knew it would be so hard to get one.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 7:35:07 GMT -5
Okay I probably shouldn't bitch or ask because I know the answer but I'm going to anyhow. So one of the things my manager said warranted me getting a four is that the person they decided would be my back up had to ask a question when I was on vacation. She said I was expected to train them to do my job perfectly like I wasn't even gone. Asking a question showed I failed. WTF? It's not his regular job and like the rest of us he's running around doing 3 people's worth of work. Of course he's going to ask a question! Am I wrong to believe that is a bull shit reason to dock my performance? My work BFF was my back up for over a year and he still had questions because he didn't do it every day. He has my cell though. R doesn't have my cell but he was smart enough not to ask my manager. He asked someone else and my manager happened to walk in. How is that an environment conductive to collaboration if you have to worry your coworkers are going to be thrown under a bus you ask a question? I knowvI shouldn't care. I know I should let it go and get myself to a place where I am numb till I can get out. But I'm struggling. I am working on building compartments in my head so I can be a good little peon who understands her place. Not that I ever would but I'm understanding how people can end up snapping. Nobody should deal with this crap day in and day out. By that logic we all should have been fired long ago. I've been doing my job for 25 years and I ask questions daily. I have colleagues that ask me questions daily. That is literally what collaboration is. Run for the hills.
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Post by Opti on Jun 30, 2024 7:37:30 GMT -5
Well talked myself into taking a shower and washing my hair so I can color it tomorrow. Then breakfast, work laundry and hopefully online church.
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Post by Opti on Jun 30, 2024 8:01:29 GMT -5
Micro generation of 1960 to 1964, and I can prove it in Engineering etc. It is very well documented fwiw. Its why I am somewhat I think attracted to the start of what they call the Millennial generation. Their experience echoes mine and many of my fellow engineering grads. Disagree away. My parents were Silent generation. I am not the Boomer some of the collective you like to treat me as. You really have no clue. I've done the research, I've lived it. I'm not the 1946 to early 1950s peeps like Trump or even Hillary. This is hardcore leading edge of death of pensions, 401Ks started, etc. outsourcing carp ad nauseum. I am degreed STEM. Twice. My friends are as well. From what I recall you are not using your degrees in your current field? You made choices that got you here. Most boomers I know are living above average. I was born in 75 and I have a pension. I got laid off many times due to mergers and acquisitions. I did try to get a job in my "field" as you call it after 2003, but there were so many out of work engineers in my area and the job pool shrunk dramatically after 9/11. J&J would have been a nice company for me but they don't hire people after they are 50. Facts Avotus years, venture capital funded company (2003-4/2006?) things happen because of economic conditions. Credit crisis was roughly 2003 to 2008. You would have been what 28 to 33 roughly then. In the sweet spot for getting a job. You have no idea how blessed you have been so far. Maybe you will be lucky and not have to find out about RL personally. I am glad you have been so lucky. In 1975 I was in HS in the midwest in a town not much older than I am. What area of the country do you live in? What kind of Boomers do you know? Boomers I know personally span all economic reaities from living on Medicaid to so well off they could retire early and have. FWIW, I picked the job I have now because it did have a pension and I was told the receptionist was allowed to work until age 85 and got a nice pension out of it. That pension was pulled off the table for me last July or perhaps Merger completion Spring this year. Don't remember. The company I hiree into had X number of branches and was not a publcly traded. My employer has a new name new logo, new policies, and more than 2X branches. The only choice I "had" in the matter was to vote no as a longtime account holder on the merger. I could have even purchased from the initial stock had I chose, but my RL experience in companies I have worked for told it would be a very bad idea. FWIW, it was. It was overpriced on release and who knows when and if it will attain the release price. I know this is YMAM OT and most of you believe the provably false idea that you actually can prepare for most economic conditions. You can't. I'll try to post less here during my health crisis and go back to the more reasonable Politics board.
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Post by busymom on Jun 30, 2024 8:08:24 GMT -5
It kind of depends the age of the boomers, to get an "average" of how they're doing. We got out of college right when the "Reagan recession" was going on. It was an awful time to be hunting for a job, and a lot of my classmates, including DH & I, had to "settle" for jobs just barely above minimum wage in order to have any job at all. (I often worked 2 jobs just to try & save for our first house.) A lot of my friends never really caught up. Those who managed to inherit money from their parents are doing better, as well as those who never worked for companies who filed for bankruptcy (DH & I had no luck at all for a number of years in picking stable companies, but eventually things got better). Hmmm. I didn't imagine you were a "boomer". I thought you were Gen X. I'm at the end. I'm speshul.
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Post by busymom on Jun 30, 2024 8:09:51 GMT -5
Hmmm. I didn't imagine you were a "boomer". I thought you were Gen X. Busy, when did you graduate from college? I remember those years. I have a Master's because there were few options for me in 82/83, so I became a TA to help fund my Master's degree. You can PM me if you prefer. I see myself as Gen X fwiw if I can hide my actual dob. I have aced every GenX test in comparison to Boomer tests, but I stopped taking them around the turn of the century. A real Gen Xer I worked with had the opposite experience because of his relationship with his father and what he taught him. He's on my list to reach out to and see if he's 1) still alive and 2) still in NJ or even the NYC metro area. I'll PM you. I've been told I don't "think or act" like a boomer. Now get those kids off of my lawn!
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2024 8:26:13 GMT -5
It kind of depends the age of the boomers, to get an "average" of how they're doing. We got out of college right when the "Reagan recession" was going on. It was an awful time to be hunting for a job, and a lot of my classmates, including DH & I, had to "settle" for jobs just barely above minimum wage in order to have any job at all. (I often worked 2 jobs just to try & save for our first house.) A lot of my friends never really caught up. Those who managed to inherit money from their parents are doing better, as well as those who never worked for companies who filed for bankruptcy ( DH & I had no luck at all for a number of years in picking stable companies, but eventually things got better). Luck always played a role. When I graduated in the early 70s with a degree in analytical chemistry (I don't know what the US equivalent is) I found a job fairly quickly - I was just 1 of 4 out of a class of 100 to get a job in the first year due to the oil crisis. I just "cold called" six companies and took the first job I was offered. Strangely enough over the next seven or so months I received four more offers while my classmates were struggling to find anything. I guess at that time HR of these companies had taken a liking to not advertise for openings but just interviewed whoever knocked on their doors. In 2000 when I once again graduated with accounting/finance degrees the job market was so hot that I swear if you could fog up a mirror you at least got an interview. Once again I got lucky and got a job at 49yowhere I proved my worth before the tech bubble burst. I survived at least four periods during which multiple rounds of RIFs took place. That was due to being good at my job and very hard work. Still I got my chances purely due to luck. Work life has not been easy for early boomers either but some, like me, got lucky while others struggled.For the record: what I have is define not the result of an inheritance. I am one of seven from a blue collar family Luck still is a huge thing now. I've posted my job application stats. Pretty much I'm always the bridesmaid, never the bride. When the information I get back is I couldn't have done anything better, then I think it's luck, happenstance, and all that.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2024 8:29:28 GMT -5
Micro generation of 1960 to 1964, and I can prove it in Engineering etc. It is very well documented fwiw. Its why I am somewhat I think attracted to the start of what they call the Millennial generation. Their experience echoes mine and many of my fellow engineering grads. Disagree away. My parents were Silent generation. I am not the Boomer some of the collective you like to treat me as. You really have no clue. I've done the research, I've lived it. I'm not the 1946 to early 1950s peeps like Trump or even Hillary. This is hardcore leading edge of death of pensions, 401Ks started, etc. outsourcing carp ad nauseum. I am degreed STEM. Twice. My friends are as well. From what I recall you are not using your degrees in your current field? You made choices that got you here. Most boomers I know are living above average. I was born in 75 and I have a pension. I admire your willingness to engage. don't you know by now that nothing about her circumstances have to do with choices she has made? 🙄
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2024 8:55:33 GMT -5
Drama, Repeat after me. It isn't you. They do not want to be in a relationship with you.
Individuals that believe in the authoritarian don't want a relationship. They just want to be right.
I got dinged because I didn't ask enough questions to the right people.
IOW, I got dinged for being competent on the job and I can work independently.
How does that make sense?
Most of would say no, it doesn't make sense.
And here I am.
My manager hired folks that aren't great workers. Don't get me wrong, in their area, they know what they are doing, but things like managing a high work load/many things at once, attention to detail, that's the stuff that they don't do well.
So, they ask a lot of questions. So, if asking a lot of questions is the standard, and I don't do it, guess who now is providing below standard work, even though I'm really competent?
And, now, guess who pretty much asks if it's ok to use the restroom? And that has gone a long way with my manager. Whatever.
On a side note, someone that I've had a 10 year work relationship with complained to me about a coworker. It does have merit. I'm keeping that to myself. I would never, ever filter that to my supervisor. Maybe after I leave.
My supervisor treats me differently. I have the proof. It's everything from pleasantries (my supervisor goes out of their way to engage others in pleasantries and forgets me), when I'm picked to share during staff meetings (I'm often picked last), to knowing that other people can do "worse" things than me, and no one bats an eyelash. My supervisor doesn't think this exists, so it doesn't.
Minimally, I would expect "Oh, shit, here are like 10 data points that show I treat one employee differently than all the others over the course of a few years. Some of it is definitely repetitive behavior. Maybe I should just say "Thanks, I'll give that all the attention it deserves" and do a little self-reflection?
We could talk about how I'm singled out and treated differently.
And none of that is happening.
Why?
My supervisor does not want to be in a relationship with me.
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Post by flamingo on Jun 30, 2024 8:59:16 GMT -5
It was so glorious to sleep in my own bed last night. No shitty hotel, no “den of covid” aka my parents house. Just my super comfy, clean bed. If DH hadn’t woken me up to ask if I was getting up 🙄 I may still be asleep. Instead, I’m having coffee and am leaving soon for a workout and then to get my nails done. Definitely looking forward to this lazy day!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 30, 2024 9:37:15 GMT -5
Watching Wilbur sun himself by the back door.
He's laying there exactly like Charlotte does. She really is his mama and taught him how to dog.
He is a Labrador trapped in a pug body.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jun 30, 2024 9:38:11 GMT -5
I'm tired, but I went to bed around 10 and just got up around 10. 12 hours of sleep. I think only 1 Pottie break. Even the cats slept all night without budging, they woke up when I did, so we were all tired. I'm up and need to get busy but sure am tired. Hubs is half way home. I told him to rest, wearing himself down could give the cancer a way to ramp up I fear. I know he needs rest and good nutrition and he is getting neither right now. I worry about him. We have so much to do.
I have no idea if they allow cats to roam, the current park does to keep down mice. And with the mice over at that place they sure need to. Behind us is a green belt, and its forested some. I think Smoke would love that. We will see. I am not asking, if I have to keep them in I will try. Maybe they won't, if so that is why they have so many mice.
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Post by skeeter on Jun 30, 2024 9:39:22 GMT -5
Watching Wilbur sun himself by the back door. He's laying there exactly like Charlotte does. She really is his mama and taught him how to dog. He is a Labrador trapped in a pug body. Any chance you could post a picture of that?
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Post by soupandstew on Jun 30, 2024 10:09:17 GMT -5
After breakfast I mopped the floors, changed the filter on one of the air purifiers and ordered more filters, started on menus for the coming week, dusted the living room (finally!), and scrubbed down the tub & shower.
I need to make out a grocery list. We'll get the routine stuff at Aldi but I want to swing by Whole Foods for some good organic beef for our July 4 burgers. I'm making esquites to go with the burgers. For those of you who haven't had this deliciousness, it's lightly charred corn kernels dressed with a mix of mayo or crema, lime juice and zest, garlic, cilantro, Cotija cheese, and chili powder - basically Mexican street corn in a cup. I'll probably grab some cut-up watermelon for dessert.
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Post by soupandstew on Jun 30, 2024 10:15:34 GMT -5
I'm tired, but I went to bed around 10 and just got up around 10. 12 hours of sleep. I think only 1 Pottie break. Even the cats slept all night without budging, they woke up when I did, so we were all tired. I'm up and need to get busy but sure am tired. Hubs is half way home. I told him to rest, wearing himself down could give the cancer a way to ramp up I fear. I know he needs rest and good nutrition and he is getting neither right now. I worry about him. We have so much to do. I have no idea if they allow cats to roam, the current park does to keep down mice. And with the mice over at that place they sure need to. Behind us is a green belt, and its forested some. I think Smoke would love that. We will see. I am not asking, if I have to keep them in I will try. Maybe they won't, if so that is why they have so many mice. I hope it works out well for you and the cats. Perhaps things are different in that part of the country but here free-ranging cats are not welcomed and usually come to an untimely end. My neighbors and I don't work to create beautiful and enjoyable outdoor spaces just to have them invaded by loose animals using flower beds as litter boxes, leaving fur on outdoor furniture and killing the songbirds we work to attract.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 10:24:00 GMT -5
I won’t quote the post, but even though I’m not willing to research it and provide links to confirm my thoughts, I tend to disagree that the Boomers are the poorest demographic. It seems to me that they are the generation that had the most opportunities to be successful and not poor. I think my generation had the potential for a good start in life, IF our Boomer parents did this and that to help us have a good start, and I don’t mean just with financial resources. I feel bad for my children’s generation, because the world has changed so much since the time between when they were born and when they became adults, so trying to do the same thing or better than what even I was able to do as a blue collar worker is even more difficult for them in general. I won’t even get into Gen Z and what I perceive as their challenges. You're correct that boomers did have the most advantages in life if we're looking at economics. They are also the absolute worst thing that could have happened to the economy. They paid pennies for what the rest of us now have to pay a premium for. They (not all) also refuse to retire and free up promotion opportunities for younger generations. Then the bitch about how nobody wants to work. Meanwhile they sit in the same higher up positions with a 1950s mindset and wonder why they can't get younger people they can mold to be like them. Add in the fact that they tend to be "conservative" and vote against all of our best interests so we can't get ahead as a society. There are exceptions to every rule obviously, but the fact is that if boomers disappeared tomorrow, we'd be able to make real changes and life would be better for the rest of us overall.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Jun 30, 2024 10:25:41 GMT -5
I woke up cranky again today. My stomach is not happy.
Then the first thing I saw when I came here earlier, was some back to back angry messages in my PM’s.
Tomorrow can’t come soon enough.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 10:27:07 GMT -5
Good morning, you (invisible) beautiful people of Y Ma'am. Welcome to Sunday. I hope your day includes its requisite sundae and rest and relaxation, too. You've earned it. Yesterday turned out very well. I won second prize in photography in the arts exhibit. Considering the stiff competition I'm delighted. The first place winner shows all over the country extraordinary work. Also made some sales, which is pretty great, too. Today I'll unpack the car, do R&R and dream of sundaes for Sunday. Here is the picture that won. I call it Morning Panorama. ODB calls it The Eye of God. Ooh! Pretty!
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Post by soupandstew on Jun 30, 2024 10:29:03 GMT -5
Overall I like it. The pool issue is so individual that it's hard to say. If you live where it can be used many days of the year, if you have family that would enjoy it etc. A pool does usually make your homeowners coverage higher (liability!) and you might need to think about keeping the dogs out too. Many people use a pool service for maintenance but that does add up. Did you notice it's on a septic system - are you okay with that?
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 30, 2024 10:31:18 GMT -5
I like the house, Andi. I am guessing because of the age of the house, the bedrooms are small. I love the sunroom. I know nothing about having a pool.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 30, 2024 10:32:17 GMT -5
I won’t quote the post, but even though I’m not willing to research it and provide links to confirm my thoughts, I tend to disagree that the Boomers are the poorest demographic. It seems to me that they are the generation that had the most opportunities to be successful and not poor. I think my generation had the potential for a good start in life, IF our Boomer parents did this and that to help us have a good start, and I don’t mean just with financial resources. I feel bad for my children’s generation, because the world has changed so much since the time between when they were born and when they became adults, so trying to do the same thing or better than what even I was able to do as a blue collar worker is even more difficult for them in general. I won’t even get into Gen Z and what I perceive as their challenges. You're correct that boomers did have the most advantages in life if we're looking at economics. They are also the absolute worst thing that could have happened to the economy. They paid pennies for what the rest of us now have to pay a premium for. They (not all) also refuse to retire and free up promotion opportunities for younger generations. Then the bitch about how nobody wants to work. Meanwhile they sit in the same higher up positions with a 1950s mindset and wonder why they can't get younger people they can mold to be like them. Add in the fact that they tend to be "conservative" and vote against all of our best interests so we can't get ahead as a society. There are exceptions to every rule obviously, but the fact is that if boomers disappeared tomorrow, we'd be able to make real changes and life would be better for the rest of us overall. I'm going to argue it's my grandma's generation that needs to go. My dad is technically a boomer but he's on the very tail end at 1959. My mom was 1956. Totally different people than those born at the start in the 40s. Trump and Biden are my grandparents age. That's the generation that need to bugger off before things can really change. I mean FFS you only need to be 35 to be president. WHY are we running 80 year olds?! Strom Thurmond was 102 and died in office. McConnell had a freaking stroke in office. A 60 something would be a breath of fresh air at this point.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 30, 2024 10:33:22 GMT -5
I'm a boomer with a pension. I am far from wealthy. If I let them put me in a nursing home, it will be on Medicaid. I will fight them on it. I have threatened to off myself if they try. If I am still in my right mind, I will refuse food until I die. I am not living in a nursing home.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 30, 2024 10:35:07 GMT -5
I think there should be both age limits and term limits in Congress, legislatures, Supreme Courts, etc. Not a single one of those people Drama mentioned should be in office.
Getting political so I shall stop.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 10:37:34 GMT -5
Micro generation of 1960 to 1964, and I can prove it in Engineering etc. It is very well documented fwiw. Its why I am somewhat I think attracted to the start of what they call the Millennial generation. Their experience echoes mine and many of my fellow engineering grads. Disagree away. My parents were Silent generation. I am not the Boomer some of the collective you like to treat me as. You really have no clue. I've done the research, I've lived it. I'm not the 1946 to early 1950s peeps like Trump or even Hillary. This is hardcore leading edge of death of pensions, 401Ks started, etc. outsourcing carp ad nauseum. I am degreed STEM. Twice. My friends are as well. From what I recall you are not using your degrees in your current field? You made choices that got you here. Most boomers I know are living above average. I was born in 75 and I have a pension. This. My parents and their siblings are boomers. Most of the ones I know are living above average too. They paid $50,000 for a house that would sell for $400K today. If they went to college they paid a few thousand dollars a year in cash. Meanwhile younger generations are up to their eyeballs in student loans because their educations cost 10 times as much. Many have worked the same job for decades and have are set with their retirement accounts. Some still work because they are making high salaries and don't have to do much since they have so much seniority. Meanwhile younger people can't move up because they refuse to retire. So the average boomer has a paid off house, is receiving pensions and retirement payouts in addition to social security checks. They're on Medicare while the rest of us pay ridiculous amounts for health insurance. They're living a pretty good life. The only boomers I knkw that are poor are that way because of life choices.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 30, 2024 10:38:10 GMT -5
It would be in the best interest of the cats to build a catio in a mobile home park.
Animals in any kind of neighborhood situation should not be allowed outdoors. It's not good for them or for their neighbors.
I only let my first two cats outdoors. It was a mistake and I never did it again. I had to build catios because of letting them out in their early years. They spent lots of time on the catios.
I have never let another cat outside. That's no where city cats belong.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 10:42:42 GMT -5
Overall I like it. The pool issue is so individual that it's hard to say. If you live where it can be used many days of the year, if you have family that would enjoy it etc. A pool does usually make your homeowners coverage higher (liability!) and you might need to think about keeping the dogs out too. Many people use a pool service for maintenance but that does add up. Did you notice it's on a septic system - are you okay with that? I did not. That one is a no then. I was on the fence before you pointed it out. I do have tons of family that would love to come use a pool. I just didn't know if it was really worth it.
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cooper88
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Post by cooper88 on Jun 30, 2024 10:47:27 GMT -5
We have (formerly) feral cats that are indoor only. We were feeding them, trapping them to get them fixed and vaccinated, etc. One by one, they came inside for nursing back to health and just never went back out. Outdoor cats get injured frequently. Injuries are expensive.
Recently, DH took one of the old girls out for a tour of the yard, and he mostly carried her. He thought she would enjoy it. She freaked out. DH wonders if she thought she was going back to living outside.
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Pink Cashmere
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Jun 30, 2024 10:47:37 GMT -5
I won’t quote the post, but even though I’m not willing to research it and provide links to confirm my thoughts, I tend to disagree that the Boomers are the poorest demographic. It seems to me that they are the generation that had the most opportunities to be successful and not poor. I think my generation had the potential for a good start in life, IF our Boomer parents did this and that to help us have a good start, and I don’t mean just with financial resources. I feel bad for my children’s generation, because the world has changed so much since the time between when they were born and when they became adults, so trying to do the same thing or better than what even I was able to do as a blue collar worker is even more difficult for them in general. I won’t even get into Gen Z and what I perceive as their challenges. You're correct that boomers did have the most advantages in life if we're looking at economics. They are also the absolute worst thing that could have happened to the economy. They paid pennies for what the rest of us now have to pay a premium for. They (not all) also refuse to retire and free up promotion opportunities for younger generations. Then the bitch about how nobody wants to work. Meanwhile they sit in the same higher up positions with a 1950s mindset and wonder why they can't get younger people they can mold to be like them. Add in the fact that they tend to be "conservative" and vote against all of our best interests so we can't get ahead as a society. There are exceptions to every rule obviously, but the fact is that if boomers disappeared tomorrow, we'd be able to make real changes and life would be better for the rest of us overall. Yes, I was referring to financial success or at least stability.
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