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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 10:52:16 GMT -5
You're correct that boomers did have the most advantages in life if we're looking at economics. They are also the absolute worst thing that could have happened to the economy. They paid pennies for what the rest of us now have to pay a premium for. They (not all) also refuse to retire and free up promotion opportunities for younger generations. Then the bitch about how nobody wants to work. Meanwhile they sit in the same higher up positions with a 1950s mindset and wonder why they can't get younger people they can mold to be like them. Add in the fact that they tend to be "conservative" and vote against all of our best interests so we can't get ahead as a society. There are exceptions to every rule obviously, but the fact is that if boomers disappeared tomorrow, we'd be able to make real changes and life would be better for the rest of us overall. I'm going to argue it's my grandma's generation that needs to go. My dad is technically a boomer but he's on the very tail end at 1959. My mom was 1956. Totally different people than those born at the start in the 40s. Trump and Biden are my grandparents age. That's the generation that need to bugger off before things can really change. I mean FFS you only need to be 35 to be president. WHY are we running 80 year olds?! Strom Thurmond was 102 and died in office. McConnell had a freaking stroke in office. A 60 something would be a breath of fresh air at this point. Girl, don't even get me started on the silent generation. I was just sticking to the generation being referenced. Honestly, the fact that Gen X and early millennials are even alive today is pretty amazing when you think about it. We were raising ourselves while having to deal with boomer parents who had the silent generation influencing them. We grew up with some pretty hateful people yet we still managed to come out ok. Now we're taking care of the boomers/silent generation in their old age while also parenting out millennial/Gen Z children. Some of us are even helping raise Gen Alpha grandchildren. We're pretty badass when you think about it.
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Post by daisylu on Jun 30, 2024 10:57:27 GMT -5
From what I recall you are not using your degrees in your current field? You made choices that got you here. Most boomers I know are living above average. I was born in 75 and I have a pension. I got laid off many times due to mergers and acquisitions. I did try to get a job in my "field" as you call it after 2003, but there were so many out of work engineers in my area and the job pool shrunk dramatically after 9/11. J&J would have been a nice company for me but they don't hire people after they are 50. Facts Avotus years, venture capital funded company (2003-4/2006?) things happen because of economic conditions. Credit crisis was roughly 2003 to 2008. You would have been what 28 to 33 roughly then. In the sweet spot for getting a job. You have no idea how blessed you have been so far. Maybe you will be lucky and not have to find out about RL personally. I am glad you have been so lucky. In 1975 I was in HS in the midwest in a town not much older than I am. What area of the country do you live in? What kind of Boomers do you know? Boomers I know personally span all economic reaities from living on Medicaid to so well off they could retire early and have. FWIW, I picked the job I have now because it did have a pension and I was told the receptionist was allowed to work until age 85 and got a nice pension out of it. That pension was pulled off the table for me last July or perhaps Merger completion Spring this year. Don't remember. The company I hiree into had X number of branches and was not a publcly traded. My employer has a new name new logo, new policies, and more than 2X branches. The only choice I "had" in the matter was to vote no as a longtime account holder on the merger. I could have even purchased from the initial stock had I chose, but my RL experience in companies I have worked for told it would be a very bad idea. FWIW, it was. It was overpriced on release and who knows when and if it will attain the release price. I know this is YMAM OT and most of you believe the provably false idea that you actually can prepare for most economic conditions. You can't. I'll try to post less here during my health crisis and go back to the more reasonable Politics board. Yes, I was 28 in 2003 and was working at the same job for 6 years by then. I do not have a college degree but have worked my ass of to prove my worth without one. It probably made me work harder. I have also been through layoffs and have even been fired (for attendance) and still managed to keep a roof over my head and take care of my 2 children with zero help from their fathers, because that was my responsibility. When you have to you find a way. I had jobs that I started as a temp and used to say that I was lucky to land in jobs when I did, but that is not true. I worked hard to prove myself to get those full time jobs. I am mid-atlantic. The boomers I know personally range from Massachusetts to Florida on the coast and as far west as Kansas. My parents are boomers, and while our family struggled (read: lower than paycheck to paycheck) when I was growing up in Baltimore they have managed to carve out a decent retirement for themselves at 68 and 67. There will not be any sort of inheritance for me and my siblings, but our parents have their basic needs covered and a good amount of their wants. I do not know anyone who has lived a charmed life. Everyone I know has struggled in one way or another.You assume because people are doing well that that has always been their history - they are "lucky" to live where they live or to have certain opportunities. I had no opportunities, I made them. But you seem to just want to blame society for your troubles and not take any sort of accountability.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 30, 2024 10:59:26 GMT -5
I think some of the generation stuff is arbitrary.
Bob and I are both millennial but we're worlds apart in our formative years with him being 1990 and me 1983.
Depending on the article I can also be Gen X. But I'm totally different than DH born in 73. Even more so with his siblings.
My parents are more Gen X than boomers. My mom was a bra burning hippy third wave feminist having come of age in the 60s and 70s.
That being said I do think there is a point where you need to step aside.
I am not even sure it's about age though that is certainly factor.
An 80 year old who recognizes the world has changed and surrounds themselves with younger people who cam guide them? Maybe.
An 80 year old whose speeches sound like they came from the Antebellum South? And surrounded themselves with people who agree? Not so much.
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Post by busymom on Jun 30, 2024 11:17:32 GMT -5
Just an opinion on boomers who "keep working". Most of my circle of friends do NOT have pensions. IRA's & 401K's were a new thing, and not really trusted to be safe when they first became available, so while some of my friends put some money into them, they didn't max them out. (Yes, that's going to bite my age group later.) So, they're probably going to keep working until they can't, just to be sure they're not living on cat food when they get really old. I just don't want people to think all boomers were born with the same silver spoon in their mouths, because that's not accurate. Oh, and politically, most of my friends vote Democratic.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 11:35:08 GMT -5
I think some of the generation stuff is arbitrary. Bob and I are both millennial but we're worlds apart in our formative years with him being 1990 and me 1983. Depending on the article I can also be Gen X. But I'm totally different than DH born in 73. Even more so with his siblings. My parents are more Gen X than boomers. My mom was a bra burning hippy third wave feminist having come of age in the 60s and 70s. That being said I do think there is a point where you need to step aside. I am not even sure it's about age though that is certainly factor. An 80 year old who recognizes the world has changed and surrounds themselves with younger people who cam guide them? Maybe. An 80 year old whose speeches sound like they came from the Antebellum South? And surrounded themselves with people who agree? Not so much. I think "cusp" babies are a little of both really when it comes to way of life/thinking. I was born in 1978 so I can see both sides of the Gen X/millennial coin. I also have shared experiences. I'd day the older Gen X can also say the same about their boomer counterparts.
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Post by cooper88 on Jun 30, 2024 11:39:48 GMT -5
I was born in 1966, so right at the end of the boomers and the beginning of Gen X. I definitely have a lot of shared experiences with both generations.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2024 11:40:24 GMT -5
Just an opinion on boomers who "keep working". Most of my circle of friends do NOT have pensions. IRA's were a new thing, and not really trusted to be safe when they first became available, so while some of my friends put some money into them, they didn't max them out. (Yes, that's going to bite my age group later.) So, they're probably going to keep working until they can't, just to be sure they're not living on cat food when they get really old. I just don't want people to think all boomers were born with the same silver spoon in their mouths, because that's not accurate. Oh, and politically, most of my friends vote Democratic. Actually, I don't think the difference is being born with a silver spoon. I don't think that circumstances for my kids are all that bad, either. For them to be successful, it requires more self-control and to be able to delay gratification something fierce. It also requires them to be savvy. It requires allowing our kids to kids some planning skills needed, for real life. Not to get into the top ivy college. I think these things are largely lost now. We know that average adult attention span is now down to under a minute. How can I get my kids to focus on the long game when we are now incapable of even focusing in the short term. It's all immediate feedback, instant gratification. I'd still argue that when you say "generational wealth" you don't think OMG, A one time payment of 20K totally leads to generational wealth and will set someone up for their whole entire lives. And, yet, that's why DS is set. 20K growing for 50-60 years, untouched. It's really just that simple. Now, we did actually have close that kind of money with just 1 or 2 kids. 4, forget it. I am so grateful for that gift. And we'll do what we can for our grandkids. I don't know that we'll be able to do the same. I also don't agree that blue collar jobs are ill paying jobs, or somehow it's tougher than my lot. My workplace is willing to pay plumbers with minimal experience 100K a year. My son walked into a job at 19, making what I made at 29. With his raise and promotion, he's now making what I made at 36, give or take. Once he becomes flat rate, he will out earn me, period. What it requires, is more planning. Which again, given how we are not really into long term planning any more...then yes, it could be harder. Yes, the housing market is tough. And we are fortunate that other than food and water (quite literally), having him still live with us doesn't not impact our bills in any other way. Within a year, he'll be in a position where he can put down 20% on a small starter home, if he wants to. And that maybe the route he goes. Notice, I said small starter home. Meaning something with 3 beds, max and 1200 feet. I did not say 4+bedroom 2500 square foot home. These homes, even folks that are boomers/silent generation...these were not their first homes. They were the last homes, before the nursing home or death. The folks that first owned our home, bought it when they were in their 50s. We bought our home at 32. I'd argue that's one data point that we were better off. And I expect the housing market to ease at some point. They are building "luxury" apartments now. No doubt the houses being built will not be modest homes. And folks will rush in to buy them, without thinking, "I am 21, do I need a luxury apartment? Do I need a 2500 sq foot home for just myself?" And, expect our house will come down in valuation, because it is modest.
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Post by catsareme on Jun 30, 2024 11:54:06 GMT -5
We have had (formerly) feral cats too. We fed them, trapped them and had them fixed. We never had a problem with them wanting to go back outside.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 30, 2024 11:57:02 GMT -5
I think some of the generation stuff is arbitrary. Bob and I are both millennial but we're worlds apart in our formative years with him being 1990 and me 1983. Depending on the article I can also be Gen X. But I'm totally different than DH born in 73. Even more so with his siblings. My parents are more Gen X than boomers. My mom was a bra burning hippy third wave feminist having come of age in the 60s and 70s. That being said I do think there is a point where you need to step aside. I am not even sure it's about age though that is certainly factor. An 80 year old who recognizes the world has changed and surrounds themselves with younger people who cam guide them? Maybe. An 80 year old whose speeches sound like they came from the Antebellum South? And surrounded themselves with people who agree? Not so much. I think "cusp" babies are a little of both really when it comes to way of life/thinking. I was born in 1978 so I can see both sides of the Gen X/millennial coin. I also have shared experiences. I'd day the older Gen X can also say the same about their boomer counterparts. There are certainly things I can relate to with DH but there are times we are worlds apart and there is only a 10 year difference. Bob and I are only 6 years apart but he was using computers daily in school in elementary. We had SIX massive IBMs that we got to use once a week. For the entire school. I was joking with my 23 year old coworker that I am "I was alive when Clipart was invented years old".🤣
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Jun 30, 2024 12:06:03 GMT -5
This whole tangent started because I disagreed with someone saying something about Boomers being the poorest generation. I said I wasn’t going to do the research to prove why I didn’t think that was true, so thank you for providing some research.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2024 12:13:54 GMT -5
This whole tangent started because I disagreed with someone saying something about Boomers being the poorest generation. I said I wasn’t going to do the research to prove why I didn’t think that was true, so thank you for providing some research. Actually, I was quite curious about the question. I learned something. I don't often think about the silent generation. I've always assumed my parents were boomers. Well, they are really more the silent generation. I also think GenX is fairing pretty darn OK, and not surprised where the millennials sit. Especially the young ones, they haven't been around very long, so to speak.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2024 12:14:28 GMT -5
I really loathe writing cover letters. So feel free to tune out the online whining over the next 8 hours.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 30, 2024 12:16:56 GMT -5
The girls and I were talking after FIL died.
I said I'm sorry but I'm a millennial who graduated in 2006. I have no generational wealth to give.
BUT they can look forward to inheriting my pogs and beanie baby collections.
The look of horror on Gwen's face.🤣
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Post by soupandstew on Jun 30, 2024 12:19:04 GMT -5
Besides concern for the well-being of the outdoor cats, there is also the matter of respect for one's neighbors in an urban or suburban area. People who want the benefits of living close in such as access to shopping, medical care, and entertainment, need to realize there is a trade off when leaving the rural lifestyle. When you are physically close to your neighbors, your behavior impacts their right to enjoy their property. Whether it's loose cats, barking dogs, late-night music, whatever, you will probably not enjoy a pleasant relationship with your neighbors if you disrespect them by your choices.
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Post by soupandstew on Jun 30, 2024 12:25:46 GMT -5
We are, I suppose, both boomers at ages 76 and 84. However, our friends have usually been at least 10 years younger than us because we simply have nothing in common with many people our ages. In addition to being younger, many of our friends are also outside of our ethnic and gender identities because we share more values and political goals. We opt to live a relatively modest lifestyle and use our so-called wealth to support social and political causes promoting equality, social justice, access to reproductive rights, and more.
That's the problem with trying to peg folks according to a date range - no group is monolithic
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Post by seriousthistime on Jun 30, 2024 12:28:40 GMT -5
There is a definite shift to building more expensive housing. People complain that entry level housing is not being built and that makes it hard for first time buyers to get into the housing market.
Where I live now, the housing market is hopping despite the high interest rates. The "next step" homes, between starters and McMansions, are moving fast. That means people in starter homes will be able to move into something bigger/better, vacating their current houses for first time buyers.
When I bought my first house in 1973 (age 22), it was $29,700. At the time I was making $95 weekly. Interest rates had just gone up to 7.38%. I sold it for $33,500 4 years later. Then, I rented. When I bought my "next step" home(between a start home and a McMansion) during the Reagan years, interest rates were around 18%. The place I bought had an assumable first mortgage that escalated from 12% to 13% when assumed. The rest of the money, besides a meager down payment, came from a second mortgage at 18%.
Most of my friends had to reinvent themselves to advance in their professions. Some went for minimal reinvention, taking night courses to stay current in the field or retrain for something related. Others went back to school to get a degree, either the BA never completed when we were younger, or a grad degree in the same or an entirely different field. We didn't all have parents who could afford to pay for college. Mine couldn't. And there was no inheritance in the end.
Throughout economic downturns it's important to maintain skills. You can't just play the victim. If your job becomes obsolete, you have to retrain for something else to maintain gainful employment. It was true then, and it is true now. You can't just complain you were victimized by the system that allowed boomers to prosper at the expense of everyone else. Everyone can point to people in a different cohort who have done better or worse than they have. There are plenty of boomers who can't pay for necessities. There are plenty of Gen Xers and younger who are doing just fine.
Gen Xers are the sandwich generation now. It's not new. Every generation before us has experienced this. Some Boomers are still caring for aged parents while helping out their adult kids.
Generalities cut both ways.
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Post by skeeter on Jun 30, 2024 12:29:02 GMT -5
We have had (formerly) feral cats too. We fed them, trapped them and had them fixed. We never had a problem with them wanting to go back outside. Same here. My entire "crew" is comprised of abandoned/dumped/homeless cats that have been brought inside never to live an "outside" life again and none of them missed it after an initial adjustment period. City cats do not belong outdoors for numerous reasons and to say if they don't like it inside all the time or if letting them out causing problems (neighbors, etc.), that cat will be "put down", just turns my stomach.
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Post by cooper88 on Jun 30, 2024 12:29:17 GMT -5
Speaking of being good neighbors, I picked up a bunch of firework fragments from my yard this morning. Looking at you, assholes to the right.
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Post by soupandstew on Jun 30, 2024 12:38:19 GMT -5
We have had (formerly) feral cats too. We fed them, trapped them and had them fixed. We never had a problem with them wanting to go back outside. Same here. My entire "crew" is comprised of abandoned/dumped/homeless cats that have been brought inside never to live an "outside" life again and none of them missed it after an initial adjustment period. City cats do not belong outdoors for numerous reasons and to say if they don't like it inside all the time or if letting them out causing problems (neighbors, etc.), that cat will be "put down", just turns my stomach. Yes, a neighbor asked me if I had seen "his" cat recently. I wanted to say, "do you mean the skinny, un-neutered, un-vaccinated one" but I didn't. I also didn't tell him that I did see it about a block away, apparently hit by a car. Months ago he said he tried to get him to stay in, but he wanted to go out and fight. Duh, and neutering would have fixed that, but you know how that conversation went. I even offered him a FREE neutering voucher but nope.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2024 13:02:46 GMT -5
Well, look at this. No whining, and I've the first draft done. It's good, too. It just needs the read-outloud proof, and then I can get it submitted.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Jun 30, 2024 13:09:17 GMT -5
Same here. My entire "crew" is comprised of abandoned/dumped/homeless cats that have been brought inside never to live an "outside" life again and none of them missed it after an initial adjustment period. City cats do not belong outdoors for numerous reasons and to say if they don't like it inside all the time or if letting them out causing problems (neighbors, etc.), that cat will be "put down", just turns my stomach. Yes, a neighbor asked me if I had seen "his" cat recently. I wanted to say, "do you mean the skinny, un-neutered, un-vaccinated one" but I didn't. I also didn't tell him that I did see it about a block away, apparently hit by a car. Months ago he said he tried to get him to stay in, but he wanted to go out and fight. Duh, and neutering would have fixed that, but you know how that conversation went. I even offered him a FREE neutering voucher but nope. Several years ago on these boards, I made the mistake of saying something negative about people in cities letting their cats roam. I did not know at the time that some people deliberately let their cats roam but I learned when some posters’ nerves got upset about my comment. I didn’t and still don’t understand how you can keep your cat safe if it is free to roam the neighborhood. Among all the things that can happen to it, some people don’t like cats and don’t want them around their house, and some of those people, instead of calling animal control or whatever, might intentionally harm or kill a cat that keeps hanging out in their yard. Especially if it is lounging on their outdoor furniture and or wreaking havoc in their garden beds. We see some stray cats around our house sometimes. Mostly on the cameras at night. But maybe they aren’t strays after all. They look pretty healthy the few times I’ve seen them in person.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Jun 30, 2024 13:27:44 GMT -5
What I’m doing right now is struggling not to be an ass in the Presidential thread here, because apparently certain white people don’t get certain jobs because of black managers or because they want to hire a black person instead of certain white persons. The problem is any and everything except the person.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 13:32:48 GMT -5
What I’m doing right now is struggling not to be an ass in the Presidential thread here, because apparently certain white people don’t get certain jobs because of black managers or because they want to hire a black person instead of certain white persons. The problem is any and everything except the person. That's ok. I'll go do it for you. It's a service I provide free of charge.
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What I’m doing right now is struggling not to be an ass in the Presidential thread here, because apparently certain white people don’t get certain jobs because of black managers or because they want to hire a black person instead of certain white persons. The problem is any and everything except the person. That's ok. I'll go do it for you. It's a service I provide free of charge. LOL!
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 30, 2024 13:54:25 GMT -5
I don't know if you are still considering looking at this one, but do you realize that the bathroom of the MBR is larger than two of the bedrooms (including ) the master bedroom? While I love that sunroom it does not look like this house has a very good layout - too much wasted space.
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Post by daisylu on Jun 30, 2024 14:05:45 GMT -5
What I’m doing right now is struggling not to be an ass in the Presidential thread here, because apparently certain white people don’t get certain jobs because of black managers or because they want to hire a black person instead of certain white persons. The problem is any and everything except the person. Haven't seen the thread but I can take a guess. I was about to add a bunch of nasty to this post, like yes an older white person who doesn't apply themselves doesn't get hired or promoted of course because of POC. But I don't want to get banned.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 14:06:19 GMT -5
I don't know if you are still considering looking at this one, but do you realize that the bathroom of the MBR is larger than two of the bedrooms (including ) the master bedroom? While I love that sunroom it does not look like this house has a very good layout - too much wasted space. No. Somebody pointed out it was on septic so I peaced out. I was already on the fence.
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What I’m doing right now is struggling not to be an ass in the Presidential thread here, because apparently certain white people don’t get certain jobs because of black managers or because they want to hire a black person instead of certain white persons. The problem is any and everything except the person. Haven't seen the thread but I can take a guess. I was about to add a bunch of nasty to this post, like yes an older white person who doesn't apply themselves doesn't get hired or promoted of course because of POC. But I don't want to get banned. That's ok. I went over there and did it for you. I'm over here doing the lord's work.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 30, 2024 14:11:13 GMT -5
I think I'll just keep stalking Zillow and see if I can find something else. I saw one really nice one, but it was in Bonner Springs. I'm not a Bonner girl, I'm a downtown KC girl. I just don't want to live in downtown KC.
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