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Post by andi9899 on Dec 7, 2023 9:34:14 GMT -5
I usually give pre-vacation food to neighbor friends. That's what I usually do as well but my two "egg friends" happen to be traveling this year as well. And while I like egg salad as andi9899 suggested -> 14 eggs* is a bit much for one person *I have so many because I dropped an item from the menu for my holiday brunch this Sunday. I would be down to just 6 or so eggs otherwise. Most other leftovers went home with my guest as one and only rule for this brunch is that NastyWoman will not get stuck with leftovers -> she will hop on a plane shortly Make deviled eggs and I'll come eat all of them.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Dec 7, 2023 9:54:44 GMT -5
The upper sections will be warmer. We also spent 10 minutes standing by the ice talking to a friend. I could see my breath. I just didn't think about it being so cold. I think the last time we saw these kids play was pre covid. I will be packing accordingly when we see them late January. It also wasn't cold enough outside then that I would have had hat or gloves in the car. I need to get moving on my list today. I need to pack and get the Christmas tree at least in place. I also think I'm going to give the Trans Siberian Orchestra tickets to our nephew. I really don't want to but DH's work screwed us by making his Christmas party a week later than the save the date they got. Apparently nephew really wants to go but I didn't know this when we bought tickets. I've seen them several times and this is a hard year for me to give up fun stuff but I just know by Friday night, DH will be miserable and it will not be pleasant. I saw them some time ago. It wasn't the Christmas Concert. I keep watching to see if the Christmas Concert will get anywhere near me. I saw Beethoven's Last Night concert. Ok now you have me off to do a quick search. Thanks for the reminder since it's been a while!!
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Post by Opti on Dec 7, 2023 10:21:25 GMT -5
Wow very pretty. Very classic, 12 days of Christmas and all. I should see if Etsy disappeared the ornaments I had in the cart. Don't have the $$ though. Need to return to work. There is almost no delay between our hours and payment. I think it is a week?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 7, 2023 10:56:42 GMT -5
Okay...here's what happened We meet every Wednesday (normal procedure; check-in; non-urgent topics) Remember that on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, she wrote me up for "not following her expectations" and wrote me a letter of deficiency. In the letter of deficiency, she has a random list of situations we've had in the last month that she is concerned about. She has never discussed any of these situations with me. In her letter conclusion, one of the things she wrote has the phrase that I am "not making competent decisions". At the time I asked to discuss what was on the list. She refused to discuss what she wrote. She said we'd revisit it in January.
Today, She came in to the conference room, opened her computer to the notes page we've been using for this school year. She had only put one topic on it. I hadn't put anything on it. I did have some questions in my head. She asked what I was doing for The Topic. (It has to do with evaluation of employees; it is not required if I don't think it's necessary. I've brought up The Topic consistently since last spring) I said "Well, what would you like to be my next step to be?" She said: "It's completely your decision". In a neutral voice I said: "One of the things you've told me is that I'm not making good decisions, is this an area you're concerned about my decisions?" She snapped at me " I cannot believe you'd bring that up!" I started to say "I'm trying to make improvements" I don't know how much of that sentence I got out when she yelled "You are so unprofessional. I cannot even have this conversation with you without HR Director here." I remained in my seat and said quietly: "Boss's Name, I don't understand why we cannot talk about this" she packed up her stuff and said again something like "I can't believe you've responded like this, I'm leaving!" And she stormed out. I just sat there until I could get up.
She emailed about 30 minutes later: Chloe: During at least two administrator meetings in recent weeks, we have discused the importance of The Topic being delivered prior to winter break or the week after. This morning I inquired where you were with The Topic. You have had concerns for quite some time. You told me you weren't sure what to do because I had stated to you that you dod not have good judgement.
If you believe The Topic needs to be done, please complete it in the allowed timelines.
I am honestly so confused and frustrated. I have been thinking about this. Next meeting, tell your boss you want to record it so you are sure not to misunderstand what she is saying at the meeting. Then set your phone down between you to record, and try to proceed with the meeting. She can’t object too much because you are trying to do what SHE wants, and you want a record. She is either going to backpedal, or the meeting is not going to be near as contemptuous. If you do this the rest of the year, you have effective hamstrung her from her actions.
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Post by Opti on Dec 7, 2023 11:00:36 GMT -5
Okay...here's what happened We meet every Wednesday (normal procedure; check-in; non-urgent topics) Remember that on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, she wrote me up for "not following her expectations" and wrote me a letter of deficiency. In the letter of deficiency, she has a random list of situations we've had in the last month that she is concerned about. She has never discussed any of these situations with me. In her letter conclusion, one of the things she wrote has the phrase that I am "not making competent decisions". At the time I asked to discuss what was on the list. She refused to discuss what she wrote. She said we'd revisit it in January.
Today, She came in to the conference room, opened her computer to the notes page we've been using for this school year. She had only put one topic on it. I hadn't put anything on it. I did have some questions in my head. She asked what I was doing for The Topic. (It has to do with evaluation of employees; it is not required if I don't think it's necessary. I've brought up The Topic consistently since last spring) I said "Well, what would you like to be my next step to be?" She said: "It's completely your decision". In a neutral voice I said: "One of the things you've told me is that I'm not making good decisions, is this an area you're concerned about my decisions?" She snapped at me " I cannot believe you'd bring that up!" I started to say "I'm trying to make improvements" I don't know how much of that sentence I got out when she yelled "You are so unprofessional. I cannot even have this conversation with you without HR Director here." I remained in my seat and said quietly: "Boss's Name, I don't understand why we cannot talk about this" she packed up her stuff and said again something like "I can't believe you've responded like this, I'm leaving!" And she stormed out. I just sat there until I could get up.
She emailed about 30 minutes later: Chloe: During at least two administrator meetings in recent weeks, we have discused the importance of The Topic being delivered prior to winter break or the week after. This morning I inquired where you were with The Topic. You have had concerns for quite some time. You told me you weren't sure what to do because I had stated to you that you dod not have good judgement.
If you believe The Topic needs to be done, please complete it in the allowed timelines.
I am honestly so confused and frustrated. I have been thinking about this. Next meeting, tell your boss you want to record it so you are sure not to misunderstand what she is saying at the meeting. Then set your phone down between you to record, and try to proceed with the meeting. She can’t object too much because you are trying to do what SHE wants, and you want a record. She is either going to backpedal, or the meeting is not going to be near as contemptuous. If you do this the rest of the year, you have effective hamstrung her from her actions. Be careful, "you're so unprofessional" was code for different things for different coworkers at my former job. Do you think her managers think her performance is shaky?
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 7, 2023 11:02:39 GMT -5
Chloe - so sorry that happened to you. Appalling and I'd be tempted to report it to HR. So, so sad that your husband dealt with all the covid fallout in his prior job. And now you're stuck with this. I can't envision (and I realize I do not have a good perspective right now) that will do anything but make the situation worse. My boss and the HR director are known for being "two peas in a pod".
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Post by Opti on Dec 7, 2023 11:05:01 GMT -5
Chloe - so sorry that happened to you. Appalling and I'd be tempted to report it to HR. So, so sad that your husband dealt with all the covid fallout in his prior job. And now you're stuck with this. I can't envision (and I realize I do not have a good perspective right now) that will do anything but make the situation worse. My boss and the HR director are known for being "two peas in a pod". Are they determined to run you out or just get their jollies by putting you in no win situations?
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 7, 2023 11:06:20 GMT -5
I'm so sorry Chloe. That's eerily similar to what I went through with my supervisor.
I was advised to just get out.
Are you seeing a therapist? What I realized, too, is that the situation brought me right back to the trauma I experienced with my parents. Work was always my safe space. So that was extra to work through. And also, realize that your boss is likely talking to HR already. Which means, HR will not help you. Documenting will not help you.
Do you have union support?
I need to both get out and find a therapist. One of the district-wide counselors (who has also reports to this boss and has had problems with her but not quite this severe) was all
up in my face counselory counserling yesterday. She's been telling me for over a year to get a therapist.
I just don't want to bother anyone. And if I can just behave myself, everything will be fine. RIght??
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 7, 2023 11:09:59 GMT -5
Chloe - do you have to stay the school year? Technically, no. However, anyone--teacher or administratror--who leaves during the middle of school year is basically ruining their career. At this point, and DH and I had mostly decided this last week, I will resign in January effective June 30. Best case is that she'll leave me be through the remainder of the year. Worst case is they send me home immediately.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 7, 2023 11:11:05 GMT -5
Okay...here's what happened We meet every Wednesday (normal procedure; check-in; non-urgent topics) Remember that on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, she wrote me up for "not following her expectations" and wrote me a letter of deficiency. In the letter of deficiency, she has a random list of situations we've had in the last month that she is concerned about. She has never discussed any of these situations with me. In her letter conclusion, one of the things she wrote has the phrase that I am "not making competent decisions". At the time I asked to discuss what was on the list. She refused to discuss what she wrote. She said we'd revisit it in January.
Today, She came in to the conference room, opened her computer to the notes page we've been using for this school year. She had only put one topic on it. I hadn't put anything on it. I did have some questions in my head. She asked what I was doing for The Topic. (It has to do with evaluation of employees; it is not required if I don't think it's necessary. I've brought up The Topic consistently since last spring) I said "Well, what would you like to be my next step to be?" She said: "It's completely your decision". In a neutral voice I said: "One of the things you've told me is that I'm not making good decisions, is this an area you're concerned about my decisions?" She snapped at me " I cannot believe you'd bring that up!" I started to say "I'm trying to make improvements" I don't know how much of that sentence I got out when she yelled "You are so unprofessional. I cannot even have this conversation with you without HR Director here." I remained in my seat and said quietly: "Boss's Name, I don't understand why we cannot talk about this" she packed up her stuff and said again something like "I can't believe you've responded like this, I'm leaving!" And she stormed out. I just sat there until I could get up.
She emailed about 30 minutes later: Chloe: During at least two administrator meetings in recent weeks, we have discused the importance of The Topic being delivered prior to winter break or the week after. This morning I inquired where you were with The Topic. You have had concerns for quite some time. You told me you weren't sure what to do because I had stated to you that you dod not have good judgement.
If you believe The Topic needs to be done, please complete it in the allowed timelines.
I am honestly so confused and frustrated. I have been thinking about this. Next meeting, tell your boss you want to record it so you are sure not to misunderstand what she is saying at the meeting. Then set your phone down between you to record, and try to proceed with the meeting. She can’t object too much because you are trying to do what SHE wants, and you want a record. She is either going to backpedal, or the meeting is not going to be near as contemptuous. If you do this the rest of the year, you have effective hamstrung her from her actions. I've had this thought before yesterday's incident but DH thought I was over-reacting.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 7, 2023 11:12:18 GMT -5
I can't envision (and I realize I do not have a good perspective right now) that will do anything but make the situation worse. My boss and the HR director are known for being "two peas in a pod". Are they determined to run you out or just get their jollies by putting you in no win situations? I believe she wants me out. Regardless, I don't want to work for her anymore. Which is why I think if I resign in January effective the end of the school year, then maybe she'll stop this.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 7, 2023 11:16:09 GMT -5
I have been thinking about this. Next meeting, tell your boss you want to record it so you are sure not to misunderstand what she is saying at the meeting. Then set your phone down between you to record, and try to proceed with the meeting. She can’t object too much because you are trying to do what SHE wants, and you want a record. She is either going to backpedal, or the meeting is not going to be near as contemptuous. If you do this the rest of the year, you have effective hamstrung her from her actions. I've had this thought before yesterday's incident but DH thought I was over-reacting.Clearly, you are not. If she continues in this vein, you now have a recording of her actions. This then negates a she says/she says battle if/when HR gets more involved. As to whether her actions are a causative means to get you fired, you’d have to check with an attorney about this. At the very least, you are CYA.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 7, 2023 11:18:14 GMT -5
I have been thinking about this. Next meeting, tell your boss you want to record it so you are sure not to misunderstand what she is saying at the meeting. Then set your phone down between you to record, and try to proceed with the meeting. She can’t object too much because you are trying to do what SHE wants, and you want a record. She is either going to backpedal, or the meeting is not going to be near as contemptuous. If you do this the rest of the year, you have effective hamstrung her from her actions. Be careful, "you're so unprofessional" was code for different things for different coworkers at my former job. Do you think her managers think her performance is shaky? A recording of this interaction would clearly show exactly who was unprofessional.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 7, 2023 11:25:20 GMT -5
This is exactly what I'm worried about. No good comes of me reporting this. DH and I are discussing getting a lawyer just to be proactive. Don't wait. I think you should contact a lawyer now. All states are different but I'd want to find out if you can legally record your conversations without the supervisor's knowledge. If you can't, are any of your meetings virtual so that the actual content can be documented? I do too. I don't see a path for this to be resolved, and I need to ensure that the overall directors are not ruining my career over something that i have no idea is what my boss is upset about.
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Post by anciana on Dec 7, 2023 11:26:35 GMT -5
taz157 take gloves to the game. Depending on where you are in the arena it might not be so cold. I froze watching friends kids games but we were much closer to the ice than in a normal arena. I’ve got gloves! We are on the upper sections so I’ve been told it shouldn’t be as cold. Thanks! It’s usually my legs, and feet especially, that get cold as I’m sitting for a long time and not moving so I wear warm wool socks. And if I think it’ll be really cold, I’ll put on light long johns. Have fun at the game!
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Post by raeoflyte on Dec 7, 2023 11:27:06 GMT -5
Be careful, "you're so unprofessional" was code for different things for different coworkers at my former job. Do you think her managers think her performance is shaky? A recording of this interaction would clearly show exactly who was unprofessional. But that might not save her job. Boss is already crazy, I dont think declaring that you're recording her is going to reign her in. I agree attorney asap with the end goal of leaving with a neutral reference, and something in place in case the boss just can't help herself.
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Post by jerseygirl on Dec 7, 2023 11:30:16 GMT -5
Chloe Just reading this maybe she just wants you to complete the Topic now , not wait for winter break. Not discuss anything with you - just get it done
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Post by azucena on Dec 7, 2023 11:36:13 GMT -5
Chloe - so sorry that happened to you. Appalling and I'd be tempted to report it to HR. So, so sad that your husband dealt with all the covid fallout in his prior job. And now you're stuck with this. I can't envision (and I realize I do not have a good perspective right now) that will do anything but make the situation worse. My boss and the HR director are known for being "two peas in a pod". The last thing I want is to cause you more trouble. I'm just so, so tired of the assholes and stupid people winning.
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Post by taz157 on Dec 7, 2023 11:37:26 GMT -5
A recording of this interaction would clearly show exactly who was unprofessional. But that might not save her job. Boss is already crazy, I dont think declaring that you're recording her is going to reign her in. I agree attorney asap with the end goal of leaving with a neutral reference, and something in place in case the boss just can't help herself. I wonder if the state Chloe lives in that you need both parties to consent to a recording. If it only needs to be one of the parties, then Chloe can record it. 🤷♀️
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Post by alabamagal on Dec 7, 2023 11:47:59 GMT -5
So my horrible boss, who just got promoted, has sent requests to me and some other of his reports to meet with his “management coach” who is external consultant. Seems like he asked the women to meet with the coach, 3 men didn’t get invite and not sure about the other man. Does he think the women will be nicer? All 3 of us think he is terrible boss. I have been working in my industry for 35 years and his is the worst manager I have had. My meeting is Friday. I'd be pointing out the gender inequity as my first comment in the mtg. Well technically it is supposed to be condfidential giving feedback so might be hard to bring that up. Also found out one of male coworkers is meeting with the management coast. He is non-native speaker, very quiet and polite. My work BFF is meeting with coach this morning, mine tomorrow.
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Post by finnime on Dec 7, 2023 11:48:12 GMT -5
I'm really sorry you're having to wade through this, Knee Deep in Water Chloe. I've been there and it was really hard, demoralizing and infuriating.
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Post by anciana on Dec 7, 2023 11:51:34 GMT -5
But that might not save her job. Boss is already crazy, I dont think declaring that you're recording her is going to reign her in. I agree attorney asap with the end goal of leaving with a neutral reference, and something in place in case the boss just can't help herself. I wonder if the state Chloe lives in that you need both parties to consent to a recording. If it only needs to be one of the parties, then Chloe can record it. 🤷♀️ Yes, I agree that announcing that she would be recording their meetings would probably not bring her resolution but she might be able to record if her state is one party consent one and allows her to do that without announcing it. I do think there’s no harm in responding to boss’s email and confirming what she herself had heard, understood and will do, or plan to do, as a result of their latest meeting. The boss might be starting a paper trail but it doesn’t mean that Chloe can’t jump on that bandwagon as well. So sorry you’re in this situation, Chloe and wishing you all the best!
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Post by steph08 on Dec 7, 2023 11:53:46 GMT -5
I was also going to suggest recording your interactions - I'd consult with a lawyer and see what is legal (whether you need your supervisor's consent to record) and proceed accordingly.
But you also work in a school - does the conference room that you were meeting in have cameras? If so, I would also consult with a lawyer and see about getting the recording from yesterday's meeting.
You need to save every piece of material you have, but a lot of this seems like it will turn into a she-said / she-said battle. Recordings will help you prove that you were trying to compromise and work everything out.
I don't know the specifics, but I'm assuming something like you are a principal and the supervisor is the superintendent. I know school systems and their HRs work very differently than large corporations. I live in a small town - my grandpa / my dad / me / my kids all went to the same school, so I already know how nepotism, favoritism, etc. plays a role in what happens / how stories are spun.
Get a lawyer, record conversations, try to remain calm in the presence of your supervisor. Don't discuss the situation with anyone at the school - you don't know who will funnel it back to supervisor or HR or whoever. Make plans to get out.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 7, 2023 11:55:49 GMT -5
A recording of this interaction would clearly show exactly who was unprofessional. But that might not save her job. Boss is already crazy, I dont think declaring that you're recording her is going to reign her in. I agree attorney asap with the end goal of leaving with a neutral reference, and something in place in case the boss just can't help herself. The point isn’t to save her job, but to keep her from getting fired. Reining her in might be a side effect of it, to make these meetings more tolerable and less unprofessional (on her boss’s part, not Chloe). Should that happen, Chloe now has some causative action using the recordings.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 7, 2023 12:00:38 GMT -5
But that might not save her job. Boss is already crazy, I dont think declaring that you're recording her is going to reign her in. I agree attorney asap with the end goal of leaving with a neutral reference, and something in place in case the boss just can't help herself. I wonder if the state Chloe lives in that you need both parties to consent to a recording. If it only needs to be one of the parties, then Chloe can record it. 🤷♀️ If Chloe is using the recording to tell her boss that she is using what she says to follow her instructions to the letter, Chloe has essentially backed her boss into a corner because that is her objection and problem with Chloe. You cant say ‘you don’t do what I tell you to do’ and when you use tools to remind you of what she’s telling you to do, backtrack.
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Post by finnime on Dec 7, 2023 12:07:53 GMT -5
Diddling around. DD culled pictures from my website and I lowered prices for items, too. I decided to pick up the bill for shipping through Dec. 12, since the costs were very high for lower-priced items like prints. Will see what happens.
I'm waiting for 7 packages from UPS, and for it to be time to bring DD and one of her cats to the vet. Sally has hairballs she can't seem to pass. Hope it's cheap, but suppose it won't be. I'm glad dogs don't get hairballs.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Dec 7, 2023 12:07:59 GMT -5
Chloe - do you have to stay the school year? Technically, no. However, anyone--teacher or administratror--who leaves during the middle of school year is basically ruining their career. At this point, and DH and I had mostly decided this last week, I will resign in January effective June 30. Best case is that she'll leave me be through the remainder of the year. Worst case is they send me home immediately.
I might be misremembering but weren't you saying recently you didn't want to work in education anymore anyhow? Or was that just because of how things are at your current job? If I was you and we could live off of one income, I'd walk, but I'm kind of at the FU stage of life and I do not handle being yelled at well...at all.
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I hate people. I have been after this insured to get me renewal information for weeks and they've been ignoring me. Today they finally give me about 60% of the information I need. I sent an email asking a bunch of questions. I got an email back. The answer is yes. WTF?!?!?! What doea that mean?! They weren't all yes or no questions! And! They decided to haul cattle. I don’t know if this is new or not since I inherited this account from someone else. Live animals are usually excluded and I have to go to a specialty market to get it. These people don't pay their bills as it is. I really don't want to have to chase them on behalf of two companies. I was just going to put it with Progressive and let them chase them. Their previous Progressive policy lapsed and they owe them money. I just can't. I really can't stand this one account. Am I stupid? I send out a spreadsheet requesting renewal information. I fill in what I know and ask them to fill in the gaps. For commodities hauled they put 100% cattle and 100% sand/gravel. Huh? I asked for a percentage breakdown of their operations. They said the truck only hauls sand/gravel, and the other truck only hauls cattle. What?! That's not what I asked for. So I asked it in 2 parts. 1. What percentage of your loads are cattle. 2. What percentage of your loads are sand/gravel. I got the same answer. One truck hauls sand/gravel and one hauls cattle. Can I just quit my job already?
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