How do you find out what your coworker died of when

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 14, 2021 16:53:53 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Nov 14, 2021 16:48:36 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Employers are not obligated to share the details of their employees health or death with you.

If you think your employer is so crooked they.are part of a mass cover up as opposed to behaving as any business would then go work for someone else.

Are they obligated to tell you if you may have been exposed to a serious contagious disease? If it WAS COVID and they kept it quiet during a period when OP should have quarantined, yes, it would be good to know what kind of employer you were working for.

If the employer knew this person had Covid and exposed others, yes they needed to let the other employees know. But it’s a tight window for exposure. When I had Covid, I was in the office on Friday wnd had my first symptom Sunday night. I thought it was a cold. I got a fever on Wednesday and a positive result on Friday, 8 days from my last day of work. HR had reached out to the department of health and because of the lag of my last day in the office and my first symptom, the department of health determined I was not contagious and employees were not at risk. HR reported to me at the time so I know that was factual at that point.

So you are making so many assumptions without any facts and expecting to be given this persons medical information. So wrong.

[Tiny]

I'm confused?

When I arrived at work today, my manager asked me if I had heard about X, who has been on medical leave for weeks.

Are you rattled because someone you knew died unexpectedly?
Because you may have been exposed to Covid19 WEEKS AGO?
Because of the evasive answers about the person's cause of death?

Sure if they had Covid19 while they were in the office - it would have been nice to have known that - so you could decide what you wanted to do (quarentine? avoid loved ones? something else?)
FWIW: the CDC is pretty much recommending a Covid19 test 3 to 5 days after exposure (no need to quarantine during that time) and if you get a negative test result - you are good to go. if you get a positive test result you need to quarantine until you get a negative test result.

I'm guessing at this point in the pandemic - especially since April 2021 (when I was done with my second shot) that I've bumped into quite a few people exhaling Covid19 virus without any indication or follow up that they were sick. This is one of the reasons I was so eager to get vaccinated - another line of defense for me.

And there's lots of reasons the cause of one's death is not announced.

Never mind I see the clarification.     All I can add is that in general when someone dies it's not required to inform everyone of the cause of death.    I don't see anything odd with the evasiveness.  

Maybe he was given the wrong medication which contributed to his death while in the hospital and there is a lawsuit in the works.    Maybe  his religious family feels that whatever thing did kill him - reflects badly on him and his family (cause you know God only does nasty things to people who piss Him off.  )   and are keeping a lid on it because of the shame.  Sorry, been in a weird "religious" place lately due to family and friends with weirdness going on. 

If you want to find out about the coworker - you will need to go to the family - or a gossipy relation who will tell you want killed the guy.    It's not your employers place to say anything unless instructed by the family.   

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Nov 14, 2021 18:26:22 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 14, 2021 16:53:53 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Are they obligated to tell you if you may have been exposed to a serious contagious disease? If it WAS COVID and they kept it quiet during a period when OP should have quarantined, yes, it would be good to know what kind of employer you were working for.

If the employer knew this person had Covid and exposed others, yes they needed to let the other employees know. But it’s a tight window for exposure. When I had Covid, I was in the office on Friday wnd had my first symptom Sunday night. I thought it was a cold. I got a fever on Wednesday and a positive result on Friday, 8 days from my last day of work. HR had reached out to the department of health and because of the lag of my last day in the office and my first symptom, the department of health determined I was not contagious and employees were not at risk. HR reported to me at the time so I know that was factual at that point.

So you are making so many assumptions without any facts and expecting to be given this persons medical information. So wrong.

Yep when I had it only my direct coworkers who I had exposed knew it was me.

Everyone else got a generic email.

My company had to send out a mass email telling everyone you have no right to demand why people are out or took sick time. You have the right to take it anytime.

If it was COVID they would follow the above. If not mind your beeswax.

Covid had started a witch hunt that was starting to impact performance and creating hostility.

Wonder how they would handle demanding to know why an employee died. No it's NOT you're right to know. Especially when you have absolutely no proof you were exposed to anything except a handful of rumors.

[andi9899]

The fact that you don't feel like a sneak for even considering this is concerning.

[daisylu]

If I go out on medical leave, I am not required to inform my boss of my ailment - only the insurance company handling my disability claim, and I don't believe they are allowed to share that info with my employer. I may CHOOSE to inform my boss of what I am going through, but I am not required. It is possible that no one at the company knows what your coworker died from.

I consider my health no one else's business as long as there was no danger to them.

[TheOtherMe]

I got my grandparents' death certificates this spring for genealogical purposes.  I had to sign a form about my relationship to them.  It cost $5 to get because I didn't need a certified copy.   It's stamped "for genealogical purposes only"

In 70 or so years, the death certificate will show up on places like Ancestry and Family Search.  You can find out then.  

[Deleted]

Nov 14, 2021 12:47:12 GMT -5 haapai said:

your boss doesn't want to talk about how the person died?

And maybe the family doesn't want to talk about it either? 

I'm a bit rattled.  The coworker in question worked in my department and on my shift.  When I arrived at work today, my manager asked me if I had heard about X, who has been on medical leave for weeks.  (I'd never nosed around for information regarding why he was absent because I knew that my managers had no business telling me anything.  A few days ago, a get-well card was circulated, and when I asked what was wrong with him and was only told that he was "very sick".}  I answered that I had not and was informed that the coworker had died of complications of COVID. 

A more formal announcement of the death followed.  Everyone in the building was summoned to an informal meeting and the death was announced.  To his credit, the big cheese doing the news-breaking was candid about not wanting to talk about the cause of death while promising to keep us informed of funeral announcements et al.  Then he droned on about what a great guy the deceased was. 

It doesn't help a bit that I thought that the deceased was an angry jerk.  Anyone listening to that announcement of a death could be forgiven for thinking that someone that they had never met had committed suicide.  The vagueness and evasiveness was exactly the same as what you hear when the cause of death is suicide. 

Yes, that obvious quip has already occurred to me.   Twelve to one odds. 

I walked away from the gathering a bit angry.  Did someone that I worked side by side with for two hours a day three days a week test positive for Covid and I was never popped for exposure because I mask?  Had the coworker had a bout of Covid months ago (back when we were informed when someone in the store had tested positive) or had he tested positive after the state's state of emergency had ended and it was no longer necessary to make an announcement that a coworker had tested positive?  Had I just missed the announcement that someone in the store had swabbed positive because the announcements are only made on two consecutive days?  Was this a nosocomial case acquired when my coworker sought treatment for something else? 

I'm really confused now because I'm uncertain what I have a right to know or how to find answers or clues of any sort.  Did my employer just refuse to acknowledge that a coworker died of Covid?  Did they refuse to say so (publicly at least) out of sheer opportunism or is there a legitimate medical privacy angle here?  Is not gossiping biting me on the ass?  Was my manager even telling the truth when he told me privately that the cause of death was "complications of Covid"? 

Of course I will be looking for an obituary or death notice and asking a few trusted folks who are more skilled gossips than myself what they can tell me, but what do I do if there is no death notice, or if it does not mention Covid?   At this point, all that I want to know is whether Covid contributed to his death so that I can evaluate how weaselly my bosses are.  I don't really need to know when he got sick, if he was vaxxed, or if he had underlying conditions that made Covid more dangerous for him or the jabs less effective. 

Mostly, I want to know whether my managers are weasels. 

If I understand correctly, these questions aren’t really about the coworker that died, they are more about getting a sense of how the employer is handling potential risks to their employees.

Those broader questions are legit to me. The concerns are a matter of trust that an employee can have in their employer to do what they can to to protect them while we try to get through this pandemic.

Protocol at my job is that, they tell us when someone has tested positive in the building. They don’t tell us what shift or where the person works. We usually find out anyway. But all managers don’t even have the meetings to tell us that, like they are supposed to. I’ve heard who tested positive through the grapevine many, many times, without having ever been told by management that someone had even tested positive. On this, the grapevine has always been 100% accurate. 

I posted here last year at the beginning of the pandemic, about having nearly had a meltdown because we didn’t even have soap in the bathroom to wash our hands, which is awful at any time, but especially during the time in a pandemic that so little is known about how it’s transmitted that people were literally wiping down their groceries, trying to sanitize them before bringing them into their homes. 

That did not inspire any confidence in me that my employer would try to protect me.

IRT our rules, when an employee tests positive, a nurse in our district contacts them to get the names of people they worked with that my employer feels like, according to whatever rules, may be at risk. Then they contact those employees. That sounds a bit better than what I believe has actually happened. 

There have been many outbreaks among people that work in the same areas, which in my mind proves that it’s entirely possible for me to get it at work and causes me a whole ‘nother bunch of issues.

We’ve had coworkers die from COVID. Management didn’t tell us those people were sick from COVID in the first place, and did not tell us the cause of death for the ones that died. But even though I work in a building where several hundred other people work, we usually know who tested positive and the cause of death for the coworkers that have died since the beginning of last year.

haapai’s job may not have the kind of unofficial information highway we have at mine.

Anyway, I read her concerns a little differently than you all did. I think life has been and maybe is still very different for many of us that are exposed to a LOT of people because of our jobs, compared to people that are retired, can work from home or in a closed office or even a shared office space with just a few people. And maybe there are things that we see very differently from people who have more control over their risks. I’m just saying.

haapai please feel free to correct me if I read some things into your post that weren’t  what you meant or where you were coming from.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 14, 2021 19:12:51 GMT -5 daisylu said:

If I go out on medical leave, I am not required to inform my boss of my ailment - only the insurance company handling my disability claim, and I don't believe they are allowed to share that info with my employer. I may CHOOSE to inform my boss of what I am going through, but I am not required. It is possible that no one at the company knows what your coworker died from.

I consider my health no one else's business as long as there was no danger to them.

Correct. The FMLA paperwork specifically says to not reveal protected health information. It asks how the conditions may affect your work. I never reveal a diagnosis to employers, that is an employee decision. On disability or other insurance paperwork, I will. But they are covered by HIPAA.

The health department is responsible for contact tracing. OHSA is responsible for workplace safety. An ethical workplace ensures worker safety

[laterbloomer]

Nov 14, 2021 19:12:51 GMT -5 daisylu said:

I consider my health no one else's business as long as there was no danger to them.

That is the whole point. Was the coworker a danger to her? It amazes me that anyone would say it's not her business to know if she was exposed or not. There are 3 things it could be
1.Coworker did not die of Covid or anything related to Covid.
2. Coworker contracted Covid after leaving the workplace.
3. Coworker had Covid while working and the company did not take the steps to properly protect other employees.
It is not hard to let employees know which it is and you are really stretching to hide behind "personal health info" not to answer

[andi9899]

Nov 14, 2021 20:02:35 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Nov 14, 2021 19:12:51 GMT -5 daisylu said:

I consider my health no one else's business as long as there was no danger to them.

That is the whole point. Was the coworker a danger to her? It amazes me that anyone would say it's not her business to know if she was exposed or not. There are 3 things it could be
1.Coworker did not die of Covid or anything related to Covid.
2. Coworker contracted Covid after leaving the workplace.
3. Coworker had Covid while working and the company did not take the steps to properly protect other employees.
It is not hard to let employees know which it is and you are really stretching to hide behind "personal health info" not to answer

The coworker has been out for weeks. If she had contracted it from him she would know by now unless she was asymptomatic. Assuming she did have it and was asymptomatic, her quarantine time would be over by now. So at this point, it's none of her business. She can test if she'd like, but she is not entitled to know a coworker's medical history.

[daisylu]

Nov 14, 2021 20:02:35 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Nov 14, 2021 19:12:51 GMT -5 daisylu said:

I consider my health no one else's business as long as there was no danger to them.

That is the whole point. Was the coworker a danger to her? It amazes me that anyone would say it's not her business to know if she was exposed or not. There are 3 things it could be
1.Coworker did not die of Covid or anything related to Covid.
2. Coworker contracted Covid after leaving the workplace.
3. Coworker had Covid while working and the company did not take the steps to properly protect other employees.
It is not hard to let employees know which it is and you are really stretching to hide behind "personal health info" not to answer

Nowhere did I say she was not entitled to know if she was exposed or not. IF it was Covid related, the employer had the responsibility to inform affected employees long ago. She has the right to ask the employer, but going undercover with the family or trying to get a death certificate is over the line, IMO.
Even if I am dead it is a violation of my privacy. Is it OK to cross the line because it is Covid? What about every other disease? Creates a slippery slope.

If she does not trust her employer she has every right to quit.

[giramomma]

Are you not vaccinated or immunocompromised?

I know breakthrough cases happen. My coworker was fully vaxxed and still came down with covid within the past week.

I mean, the CDC isn't recommending quarantining anymore if you have been exposed and you are fully vaxxed.

You should have gotten tested if you were exposed. But, that's about it.

I guess if you feel really unsafe, I'd start looking for jobs that allow you to WFH.

That's about all any of us can do.

ETA: Regarding the "truth" of how a coworker died...my old supervisor passed away on a hiking accident. He was alone. There was some controversy about how he died. The controversy was affecting some of his kids, as well as his current wife. (Didn't ask about the exwife.). My old supervisor was an important person in my life. However, I did not feel the need to press folks to see "what the real story was." I thought it would be pretty inappropriate of me.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 14, 2021 20:02:35 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Nov 14, 2021 19:12:51 GMT -5 daisylu said:

I consider my health no one else's business as long as there was no danger to them.

That is the whole point. Was the coworker a danger to her? It amazes me that anyone would say it's not her business to know if she was exposed or not. There are 3 things it could be
1.Coworker did not die of Covid or anything related to Covid.
2. Coworker contracted Covid after leaving the workplace.
3. Coworker had Covid while working and the company did not take the steps to properly protect other employees.
It is not hard to let employees know which it is and you are really stretching to hide behind "personal health info" not to answer

It’s a moot point. If he died of Covid, she is past the quarantine period. She is no longer at risk, so trying to find out the cause of death is invading his privacy, IMHO, as it is no longer of consequence to her.

She should have been informed if she was potentially exposed, but again, the responsibility lies with the health department. An ethical company would care about her health, but that is asking a lot.

Weren’t you of the opinion that it was nobody’s business whether you were vaccinated?

[laterbloomer]

Nov 14, 2021 20:10:50 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Nov 14, 2021 20:02:35 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

That is the whole point. Was the coworker a danger to her? It amazes me that anyone would say it's not her business to know if she was exposed or not. There are 3 things it could be
1.Coworker did not die of Covid or anything related to Covid.
2. Coworker contracted Covid after leaving the workplace.
3. Coworker had Covid while working and the company did not take the steps to properly protect other employees.
It is not hard to let employees know which it is and you are really stretching to hide behind "personal health info" not to answer

The coworker has been out for weeks. If she had contracted it from him she would know by now unless she was asymptomatic. Assuming she did have it and was asymptomatic, her quarantine time would be over by now. So at this point, it's none of her business. She can test if she'd like, but she is not entitled to know a coworker's medical history.

This is the kind of thinking that has corporations thinking that it is cheaper to conduct business in ways that are unsafe for customers or employees because it is cheaper to payout when someone gets hurt than to do business in a safe manner. It was wrong for the business not to inform her whether or not she ended up getting sick. It's not ok just because she didn't get sick and she is entitled to find out if the company did that to her.

[laterbloomer]

Nov 14, 2021 20:26:47 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 14, 2021 20:02:35 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

That is the whole point. Was the coworker a danger to her? It amazes me that anyone would say it's not her business to know if she was exposed or not. There are 3 things it could be
1.Coworker did not die of Covid or anything related to Covid.
2. Coworker contracted Covid after leaving the workplace.
3. Coworker had Covid while working and the company did not take the steps to properly protect other employees.
It is not hard to let employees know which it is and you are really stretching to hide behind "personal health info" not to answer

It’s a moot point. If he died of Covid, she is past the quarantine period. She is no longer at risk, so trying to find out the cause of death is invading his privacy, IMHO, as it is no longer of consequence to her.

She should have been informed if she was potentially exposed, but again, the responsibility lies with the health department. An ethical company would care about her health, but that is asking a lot.

Weren’t you of the opinion that it was nobody’s business whether you were vaccinated?

Where to start...
it's not a moot point if a company is conducting business in a way that puts their employees at risk...
I'm on the fence about vaccination statuses...
I'm not sure why it needs to be repeated but one person's right to privacy does not usurp another person's right to make informed health decisions for themselves.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 14, 2021 20:55:21 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Nov 14, 2021 20:10:50 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The coworker has been out for weeks. If she had contracted it from him she would know by now unless she was asymptomatic. Assuming she did have it and was asymptomatic, her quarantine time would be over by now. So at this point, it's none of her business. She can test if she'd like, but she is not entitled to know a coworker's medical history.

This is the kind of thinking that has corporations thinking that it is cheaper to conduct business in ways that are unsafe for customers or employees because it is cheaper to payout when someone gets hurt than to do business in a safe manner. It was wrong for the business not to inform her whether or not she ended up getting sick. It's not ok just because she didn't get sick and she is entitled to find out if the company did that to her.

Assuming the company cares about your health is dangerous. The law will not hold them accountable. Not in America in 2021. She is invading her coworkers privacy if she goes further, and it is pointless at this point. She knows her company has not handled this well. How does knowing he died from Covid change that. Her options are to quit or keep working there

[Lizard Queen]

She works in grocery store, likely coming into contact with 1000's of random customers in the last few weeks.

[laterbloomer]

Nov 14, 2021 20:20:05 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Nov 14, 2021 20:02:35 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

That is the whole point. Was the coworker a danger to her? It amazes me that anyone would say it's not her business to know if she was exposed or not. There are 3 things it could be
1.Coworker did not die of Covid or anything related to Covid.
2. Coworker contracted Covid after leaving the workplace.
3. Coworker had Covid while working and the company did not take the steps to properly protect other employees.
It is not hard to let employees know which it is and you are really stretching to hide behind "personal health info" not to answer

Nowhere did I say she was not entitled to know if she was exposed or not. IF it was Covid related, the employer had the responsibility to inform affected employees long ago. She has the right to ask the employer, but going undercover with the family or trying to get a death certificate is over the line, IMO.
Even if I am dead it is a violation of my privacy. Is it OK to cross the line because it is Covid? What about every other disease? Creates a slippery slope.

If she does not trust her employer she has every right to quit.

So basically if the company decides not to be responsible just suck it up and take it or quit and let them keep doing it to other employees? That really seems like a legitimate outcome to you?

[andi9899]

Nov 14, 2021 20:55:21 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Nov 14, 2021 20:10:50 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The coworker has been out for weeks. If she had contracted it from him she would know by now unless she was asymptomatic. Assuming she did have it and was asymptomatic, her quarantine time would be over by now. So at this point, it's none of her business. She can test if she'd like, but she is not entitled to know a coworker's medical history.

This is the kind of thinking that has corporations thinking that it is cheaper to conduct business in ways that are unsafe for customers or employees because it is cheaper to payout when someone gets hurt than to do business in a safe manner. It was wrong for the business not to inform her whether or not she ended up getting sick. It's not ok just because she didn't get sick and she is entitled to find out if the company did that to her.

You're assuming that actually happened. You don't know that. Any reputable company would let those who were directly exposed someone with COVID know. If she believes her company is not reputable, she needs to find a different employer. Stalking a dead person based on a rumor is just crazy.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 14, 2021 21:01:09 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Nov 14, 2021 20:26:47 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It’s a moot point. If he died of Covid, she is past the quarantine period. She is no longer at risk, so trying to find out the cause of death is invading his privacy, IMHO, as it is no longer of consequence to her.

She should have been informed if she was potentially exposed, but again, the responsibility lies with the health department. An ethical company would care about her health, but that is asking a lot.

Weren’t you of the opinion that it was nobody’s business whether you were vaccinated?

Where to start...
it's not a moot point if a company is conducting business in a way that puts their employees at risk...
I'm on the fence about vaccination statuses...
I'm not sure why it needs to be repeated but one person's right to privacy does not usurp another person's right to make informed health decisions for themselves.

Now you are being hypocritical. Vaccination status is clearly important to know. You have no right to expose me to a potentially fatal disease. If she can invade his privacy why can’t I invade yours, which is more important since he is dead.

Morally, the company should keep their workers safe. Good luck with that

[minnesotapaintlady]

Nov 14, 2021 20:55:21 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Nov 14, 2021 20:10:50 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The coworker has been out for weeks. If she had contracted it from him she would know by now unless she was asymptomatic. Assuming she did have it and was asymptomatic, her quarantine time would be over by now. So at this point, it's none of her business. She can test if she'd like, but she is not entitled to know a coworker's medical history.

This is the kind of thinking that has corporations thinking that it is cheaper to conduct business in ways that are unsafe for customers or employees because it is cheaper to payout when someone gets hurt than to do business in a safe manner. It was wrong for the business not to inform her whether or not she ended up getting sick. It's not ok just because she didn't get sick and she is entitled to find out if the company did that to her.

You're just assuming things.  Again, he could have been home quarantining after a family member got sick, then got sick himself but was never at work during that time.  He could have showed up to work sick and not mentioned it because he assumed it was nothing and didn't want to get sent home then by the time work found out it was past the time that she would have had to quarantine anyhow, they could have known he tested positive, but it was determined she was not a close contact during the suspect time frame.  Where I work, only close contacts on the suspect days are notified and if vaccinated we don't have to do anything anyhow.  If she was vaccinated and masked her risk was pretty low.  I'm sure working a grocery store all the thousands of customers walking in and out every day had positive cases too. 

I mean if the death certificate says he died of a heart attack does that mean he didn't have covid at work 4 weeks ago? 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Nov 14, 2021 20:55:21 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Nov 14, 2021 20:10:50 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The coworker has been out for weeks. If she had contracted it from him she would know by now unless she was asymptomatic. Assuming she did have it and was asymptomatic, her quarantine time would be over by now. So at this point, it's none of her business. She can test if she'd like, but she is not entitled to know a coworker's medical history.

This is the kind of thinking that has corporations thinking that it is cheaper to conduct business in ways that are unsafe for customers or employees because it is cheaper to payout when someone gets hurt than to do business in a safe manner. It was wrong for the business not to inform her whether or not she ended up getting sick. It's not ok just because she didn't get sick and she is entitled to find out if the company did that to her.

So how is she going to prove the company "did something to her?". He was out weeks he could have very well been ill with something else and contracted Covid without ever stepping foot in the store again.

If you lost a loved one would you appreciate them demanding you owe them an answer? How would you feel if complete strangers were trying to obtain their death certificate?

If her company is as shitty as she claims report them and quit. Do not stalk a dead man trying to confirm something that is currently only a rumor.

He's dead. Nothing changes. All digging does is satisfy some morbid curiosity. It holds no one accountable and if you're going to keep working there WTF is the point?

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

I'm another one who thinks--if you pursue this-- you're overstepping your bounds. 
If you don't think your company is handling the pandemic expectations for notification according to policy, just report that to OSHA. 

[Opti]

Nov 14, 2021 20:02:35 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Nov 14, 2021 19:12:51 GMT -5 daisylu said:

I consider my health no one else's business as long as there was no danger to them.

That is the whole point. Was the coworker a danger to her? It amazes me that anyone would say it's not her business to know if she was exposed or not. There are 3 things it could be
1.Coworker did not die of Covid or anything related to Covid.
2. Coworker contracted Covid after leaving the workplace.
3. Coworker had Covid while working and the company did not take the steps to properly protect other employees.
It is not hard to let employees know which it is and you are really stretching to hide behind "personal health info" not to answer

If the co-worker had Covid, the most important part is when he tested positive for Covid. This would let her know if she was exposed versus only knowing if he died from Covid. 

[raeoflyte]

Dh works in a vet clinic. They try to inform close contacts when someone tests positive, but they're relying on the employee with covid to tell them everyone they may have had close contact with. Everyone is supposed to mask, although distancing isn't really possible most of the time, and at this point they should be vaccinated. All that to say, in non office jobs, contact tracing is tough even when actively trying.

I think happi knows her employer isn't following the rules and is hoping for a gotcha moment to hold them accountable, but I don't expect that's likely, or that real change will come even if it does.

Best option is to look for another job that is taking more precautions.

[bean29]

Even if you find out he had Covid-19, you will not be able to find out what your management knew and when.

You need to let it go, and go on protecting yourself as you see fit.  I think being vaccinated and wearing a mask are enough.

[raeoflyte]

Nov 15, 2021 10:50:15 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Even if you find out he had Covid-19, you will not be able to find out what your management knew and when.

You need to let it go, and go on protecting yourself as you see fit.  I think being vaccinated and wearing a mask are enough.

I don't know that it's enough, but it's all we've got.

[pulmonarymd]

More importantly, it all we have decided we will do. It is clear that we, as a society will not do more.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Nov 15, 2021 13:21:35 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Nov 15, 2021 10:50:15 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Even if you find out he had Covid-19, you will not be able to find out what your management knew and when.

You need to let it go, and go on protecting yourself as you see fit.  I think being vaccinated and wearing a mask are enough.

I don't know that it's enough, but it's all we've got.

It's "enough" - for most of us, but for some percentage of the population it won't be.

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Nov 15, 2021 13:48:13 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Nov 15, 2021 13:21:35 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

I don't know that it's enough, but it's all we've got.

It's "enough" - for most of us, but for some percentage of the population it won't be.

For some people not wearing a mask and not being vaccinated is enough. Because that's a sizeable portion of the population the course of the pandemic will remain interesting.