Unvaccinated

[MJ2.0]

Imagine throwing your career down the drain for a vaccine….

[Tennesseer]

Sept 29, 2021 18:06:19 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Imagine throwing your career down the drain for a vaccine….

One career down the drain opens up an opportunity for someone else.

Win-win!

[teen persuasion]

Sept 29, 2021 18:02:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

LEONARD PITTS: Goodbye, and good riddance

"If you want to leave, take good care, hope you make a lot of nice friends out there." — From "Wild World" by Cat Stevens

•••

This is for those of you who've chosen to quit your jobs rather than submit to a vaccine mandate.

No telling how many of you there actually are, but lately, you're all over the news. Just last week, a nearly-30-year veteran of the San Jose Police Department surrendered his badge rather than comply with the city's requirement that all employees be inoculated against COVID-19. He joins an Army lieutenant colonel, some airline employees, a Major League Baseball executive, the choral director of the San Francisco Symphony, workers at the tax collector's office in Orange County, Fla., and, incredibly, dozens of health care professionals.

Well, on behalf of the rest of us, the ones who miss concerts, restaurants and other people's faces, the ones who are sick and tired of living in pandemic times, here's a word of response to you quitters: Goodbye.

And here's two more: Good riddance.

Not to minimize any of this. A few weeks ago, a hospital in upstate New York announced it would have to "pause" delivering babies because of resignations among its maternity staff. So the threat of difficult ramifications is certainly real. But on the plus side, your quitting goes a long way toward purging us of the gullible, the conspiracy-addled, the logic-impaired and the stubbornly ignorant. And that's not nothing.

We've been down this road before. Whenever faced with some mandate imposed in the interest of the common good, some of us act like they just woke up on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall. "There's no freedom no more," whined one man in video that recently aired on "The Daily Show With Trevor Noah." The clip was from the 1980s, and the guy had just gotten a ticket for not wearing his seatbelt.

It's an unfortunately common refrain. Can't smoke in a movie theater? Can't crank your music to headache decibels at 2 in the morning? Can't post the Ten Commandments in a courtroom? "There's no freedom no more." Some of you seem to think freedom means no one can be compelled to do, or refrain from doing, anything. But that's not freedom, it's anarchy.

Usually, the rest of us don't agonize over your intransigence. Often it has no direct impact on us. The guy in the "Daily Show" clip was only demanding the right to skid across a highway on his face, after all. But now you claim the right to risk the health care system and our personal lives.

So if you're angry, guess what? You're not the only ones.

Complete article here: link

Locally, the deadline for healthcare professionals to be vaccinated or be fired/put on leave hit Monday.  A tv reporter was asking on Twitter for people affected to DM her.  All the tweets in response were effectively: shame on you!  Stop amplifying their crazy logic by giving them time on-air.  The majority of us are THRILLED that we can now receive healthcare w/o the antivaxxers pretending to be medical professionals, and putting us at greater risk.  Good riddance to them, don't let the door hit you on the way out!

[Tennesseer]

Not surprised at the negative responses the reporter received, teen persuasion.  The antivaxers are in the minority and helping to keep the virus alive.

[Deleted]

My one-year old great-niece has COVID. No major symptoms. They think it was in daycare- parents are vaccinated, her Mom, who works in healthcare and her half-sister (age 15) had it before the vaccines and are apparently OK.

I really hope DS and DDIL (both vaccinated but it took them long enough) get their 7-year old and their 5-year old vaccinated as soon as it's approved. The 2-year old may have to wait awhile.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

So it's it the abbreviation "mRNA" that is causing the issues?  Because when pressed about all the other vaccines we mandate for health care workers, students, teachers "that's different".  HOW?   

The list of vaccines I had to have to work with animals/in the hospital was as long as my arm, why would I draw the line at the COVID vaccine?  The only one I don't have is chicken pox because I had it long before the vaccine came out.  I've had so many titers done I'm surprised there any any antibodies left.  If I didn't have the appropriate titers I'd either need to get the vaccine or I don't work there.  Period.

The whole conspiracy about fertility and stuff makes me wonder if "mRNA" is triggering people.

 It saddens me that people don't bother to truly educate themselves.   I get that a lot of the scientific papers on the subject are above most people's pay grade. I read several of them and I had trouble understanding a lot of the technology behind it.  However I am competent enough, and so should most adults, to be able to understand the basics of mRNA and how it actually works.  Especially people in the medical field who have access to tons of free journal articles.

Course at this point it's become a death cult.   We've embraced the idea that being an expert is something to mock and being Dr. Google is something to boast about.   I doubt even if every scientist who has ever worked on mRNA gave a free public TV educational course on it we could educate the horde of unvaccinated people at this point.   We've reached the people who could be swayed by that.   The die hards aren't going to change their mind, apparently some are still denying it with their literal dying breath. 

[azucena]

mRNA rhymes with DNA ----LEAP----- BAD!

[minnesotapaintlady]

Sept 30, 2021 7:51:53 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

The whole conspiracy about fertility and stuff makes me wonder if "mRNA" is triggering people.

Yes.  Many believe it involves DNA modification.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Sept 30, 2021 7:55:23 GMT -5 azucena said:

mRNA rhymes with DNA ----LEAP----- BAD!

But that's not how DNA works either!  (which I know you know).   This all really needs to be a part of basic K-12 science education.  I didn't really get in depth into it until I was in college which is far too late nowadays.  My 11 year old daughter has classmates spouting conspiracy theories.   We need to get them before their parents bake stupidity into their heads.

If DNA did work like that I wouldn't be working here I'd so have my own Legion of Doom by now. 

[azucena]

I have a niece who is missing part of a chromosome.  I can't tell you how many times people have asked me why doctors can't just fix that.  I've tried explaining it in an elementary way - every single cell in our bodies have copies of our chromosomes so it's not a one piece fix.  Worst of all, pretty sure her dad still doesn't get it and niece just turned 11.  Someone said it just the other day in front of DD13.  Later in the car, she said, guess so-so was one of the kids sleeping thru 6th grade bio.

[Value Buy]

Not sure if this is the correct thread to post this article, but I found it interesting.

www.cnbc.com/2021/09/30/biontech-co-founder-ozlem-tureci-says-covid-will-be-with-us-for-years.html

[andi9899]

Sept 29, 2021 18:02:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

LEONARD PITTS: Goodbye, and good riddance

"If you want to leave, take good care, hope you make a lot of nice friends out there." — From "Wild World" by Cat Stevens

•••

This is for those of you who've chosen to quit your jobs rather than submit to a vaccine mandate.

No telling how many of you there actually are, but lately, you're all over the news. Just last week, a nearly-30-year veteran of the San Jose Police Department surrendered his badge rather than comply with the city's requirement that all employees be inoculated against COVID-19. He joins an Army lieutenant colonel, some airline employees, a Major League Baseball executive, the choral director of the San Francisco Symphony, workers at the tax collector's office in Orange County, Fla., and, incredibly, dozens of health care professionals.

Well, on behalf of the rest of us, the ones who miss concerts, restaurants and other people's faces, the ones who are sick and tired of living in pandemic times, here's a word of response to you quitters: Goodbye.

And here's two more: Good riddance.

Not to minimize any of this. A few weeks ago, a hospital in upstate New York announced it would have to "pause" delivering babies because of resignations among its maternity staff. So the threat of difficult ramifications is certainly real. But on the plus side, your quitting goes a long way toward purging us of the gullible, the conspiracy-addled, the logic-impaired and the stubbornly ignorant. And that's not nothing.

We've been down this road before. Whenever faced with some mandate imposed in the interest of the common good, some of us act like they just woke up on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall. "There's no freedom no more," whined one man in video that recently aired on "The Daily Show With Trevor Noah." The clip was from the 1980s, and the guy had just gotten a ticket for not wearing his seatbelt.

It's an unfortunately common refrain. Can't smoke in a movie theater? Can't crank your music to headache decibels at 2 in the morning? Can't post the Ten Commandments in a courtroom? "There's no freedom no more." Some of you seem to think freedom means no one can be compelled to do, or refrain from doing, anything. But that's not freedom, it's anarchy.

Usually, the rest of us don't agonize over your intransigence. Often it has no direct impact on us. The guy in the "Daily Show" clip was only demanding the right to skid across a highway on his face, after all. But now you claim the right to risk the health care system and our personal lives.

So if you're angry, guess what? You're not the only ones.

Complete article here: link

How do you pause delivering babies? They're coming whether you're ready or not. There is no pause button on something like that.

[swamp]

Sept 30, 2021 9:44:28 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Sept 29, 2021 18:02:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

LEONARD PITTS: Goodbye, and good riddance

"If you want to leave, take good care, hope you make a lot of nice friends out there." — From "Wild World" by Cat Stevens

•••

This is for those of you who've chosen to quit your jobs rather than submit to a vaccine mandate.

No telling how many of you there actually are, but lately, you're all over the news. Just last week, a nearly-30-year veteran of the San Jose Police Department surrendered his badge rather than comply with the city's requirement that all employees be inoculated against COVID-19. He joins an Army lieutenant colonel, some airline employees, a Major League Baseball executive, the choral director of the San Francisco Symphony, workers at the tax collector's office in Orange County, Fla., and, incredibly, dozens of health care professionals.

Well, on behalf of the rest of us, the ones who miss concerts, restaurants and other people's faces, the ones who are sick and tired of living in pandemic times, here's a word of response to you quitters: Goodbye.

And here's two more: Good riddance.

Not to minimize any of this. A few weeks ago, a hospital in upstate New York announced it would have to "pause" delivering babies because of resignations among its maternity staff. So the threat of difficult ramifications is certainly real. But on the plus side, your quitting goes a long way toward purging us of the gullible, the conspiracy-addled, the logic-impaired and the stubbornly ignorant. And that's not nothing.

We've been down this road before. Whenever faced with some mandate imposed in the interest of the common good, some of us act like they just woke up on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall. "There's no freedom no more," whined one man in video that recently aired on "The Daily Show With Trevor Noah." The clip was from the 1980s, and the guy had just gotten a ticket for not wearing his seatbelt.

It's an unfortunately common refrain. Can't smoke in a movie theater? Can't crank your music to headache decibels at 2 in the morning? Can't post the Ten Commandments in a courtroom? "There's no freedom no more." Some of you seem to think freedom means no one can be compelled to do, or refrain from doing, anything. But that's not freedom, it's anarchy.

Usually, the rest of us don't agonize over your intransigence. Often it has no direct impact on us. The guy in the "Daily Show" clip was only demanding the right to skid across a highway on his face, after all. But now you claim the right to risk the health care system and our personal lives.

So if you're angry, guess what? You're not the only ones.

Complete article here: link

How do you pause delivering babies? They're coming whether you're ready or not. There is no pause button on something like that.

You go to another hospital

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Sept 30, 2021 9:44:28 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Sept 29, 2021 18:02:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

LEONARD PITTS: Goodbye, and good riddance

"If you want to leave, take good care, hope you make a lot of nice friends out there." — From "Wild World" by Cat Stevens

•••

This is for those of you who've chosen to quit your jobs rather than submit to a vaccine mandate.

No telling how many of you there actually are, but lately, you're all over the news. Just last week, a nearly-30-year veteran of the San Jose Police Department surrendered his badge rather than comply with the city's requirement that all employees be inoculated against COVID-19. He joins an Army lieutenant colonel, some airline employees, a Major League Baseball executive, the choral director of the San Francisco Symphony, workers at the tax collector's office in Orange County, Fla., and, incredibly, dozens of health care professionals.

Well, on behalf of the rest of us, the ones who miss concerts, restaurants and other people's faces, the ones who are sick and tired of living in pandemic times, here's a word of response to you quitters: Goodbye.

And here's two more: Good riddance.

Not to minimize any of this. A few weeks ago, a hospital in upstate New York announced it would have to "pause" delivering babies because of resignations among its maternity staff. So the threat of difficult ramifications is certainly real. But on the plus side, your quitting goes a long way toward purging us of the gullible, the conspiracy-addled, the logic-impaired and the stubbornly ignorant. And that's not nothing.

We've been down this road before. Whenever faced with some mandate imposed in the interest of the common good, some of us act like they just woke up on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall. "There's no freedom no more," whined one man in video that recently aired on "The Daily Show With Trevor Noah." The clip was from the 1980s, and the guy had just gotten a ticket for not wearing his seatbelt.

It's an unfortunately common refrain. Can't smoke in a movie theater? Can't crank your music to headache decibels at 2 in the morning? Can't post the Ten Commandments in a courtroom? "There's no freedom no more." Some of you seem to think freedom means no one can be compelled to do, or refrain from doing, anything. But that's not freedom, it's anarchy.

Usually, the rest of us don't agonize over your intransigence. Often it has no direct impact on us. The guy in the "Daily Show" clip was only demanding the right to skid across a highway on his face, after all. But now you claim the right to risk the health care system and our personal lives.

So if you're angry, guess what? You're not the only ones.

Complete article here: link

How do you pause delivering babies? They're coming whether you're ready or not. There is no pause button on something like that.

I'm guessing inductions and scheduled C sections unless it's critical.   

[minnesotapaintlady]

Sept 30, 2021 9:48:08 GMT -5 swamp said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:44:28 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

How do you pause delivering babies? They're coming whether you're ready or not. There is no pause button on something like that.

You go to another hospital

This.

It happened here for awhile as well.  Not due to covid, just a nursing shortage one year that shut down the maternity ward.  All births were sent to other hospitals.

[thyme4change]

Sept 30, 2021 10:23:08 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:48:08 GMT -5 swamp said:

You go to another hospital

This.

It happened here for awhile as well.  Not due to covid, just a nursing shortage one year that shut down the maternity ward.  All births were sent to other hospitals.

That could be rough for people who don't live in a super populated area. Most of my doctors had multiple affiliations, although that may have changed. There are 5 or 6 hospitals near me, although they don't all have natel units (2 children's hospitals and a heart hospital for example).

[MJ2.0]

Sept 30, 2021 9:48:08 GMT -5 swamp said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:44:28 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

How do you pause delivering babies? They're coming whether you're ready or not. There is no pause button on something like that.

You go to another hospital

But won’t that hospital then get overrun with people coming for baby deliveries? It’s kind of kicking the can down the road…

[minnesotapaintlady]

Sept 30, 2021 11:07:40 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:48:08 GMT -5 swamp said:

You go to another hospital

But won’t that hospital then get overrun with people coming for baby deliveries? It’s kind of kicking the can down the road…

Maybe.  You're assuming there is a regular stream of babies coming and all the hospital maternity wards are always full.  My cousin is a maternity nurse and she has weeks with almost no babies and others where they are scrambling for rooms (I got put in a non-maternity room to recover).  Our maternity wing was closed for 6 months and the other hospitals easily absorbed them.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Sept 30, 2021 11:19:36 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Sept 30, 2021 11:07:40 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

But won’t that hospital then get overrun with people coming for baby deliveries? It’s kind of kicking the can down the road…

Maybe.  You're assuming there is a regular stream of babies coming and all the hospital maternity wards are always full.  My cousin is a maternity nurse and she has weeks with almost no babies and others where they are scrambling for rooms (I got put in a non-maternity room to recover).  Our maternity wing was closed for 6 months and the other hospitals easily absorbed them.

When I gave birth to Gwen it was me and one other lady in the ward.  When I gave birth to Abby it was like the movie Nine Months, I thought the front desk lady was going to cry when I waddled in and announced I was in labor.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 30, 2021 9:21:34 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not sure if this is the correct thread to post this article, but I found it interesting.

www.cnbc.com/2021/09/30/biontech-co-founder-ozlem-tureci-says-covid-will-be-with-us-for-years.html

That is old news. The disease is now endemic. We lost our opportunity to eradicate it over 1 year ago. The hope is it becomes a cold weather illness like other coronaviruses, and the vaccine turns it into a bad cold or the flu.

[seriousthistime]

Sept 29, 2021 18:02:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

LEONARD PITTS: Goodbye, and good riddance

"If you want to leave, take good care, hope you make a lot of nice friends out there." — From "Wild World" by Cat Stevens

•••

This is for those of you who've chosen to quit your jobs rather than submit to a vaccine mandate.

No telling how many of you there actually are, but lately, you're all over the news. Just last week, a nearly-30-year veteran of the San Jose Police Department surrendered his badge rather than comply with the city's requirement that all employees be inoculated against COVID-19. He joins an Army lieutenant colonel, some airline employees, a Major League Baseball executive, the choral director of the San Francisco Symphony, workers at the tax collector's office in Orange County, Fla., and, incredibly, dozens of health care professionals.

Well, on behalf of the rest of us, the ones who miss concerts, restaurants and other people's faces, the ones who are sick and tired of living in pandemic times, here's a word of response to you quitters: Goodbye.

And here's two more: Good riddance.

Not to minimize any of this. A few weeks ago, a hospital in upstate New York announced it would have to "pause" delivering babies because of resignations among its maternity staff. So the threat of difficult ramifications is certainly real. But on the plus side, your quitting goes a long way toward purging us of the gullible, the conspiracy-addled, the logic-impaired and the stubbornly ignorant. And that's not nothing.

We've been down this road before. Whenever faced with some mandate imposed in the interest of the common good, some of us act like they just woke up on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall. "There's no freedom no more," whined one man in video that recently aired on "The Daily Show With Trevor Noah." The clip was from the 1980s, and the guy had just gotten a ticket for not wearing his seatbelt.

It's an unfortunately common refrain. Can't smoke in a movie theater? Can't crank your music to headache decibels at 2 in the morning? Can't post the Ten Commandments in a courtroom? "There's no freedom no more." Some of you seem to think freedom means no one can be compelled to do, or refrain from doing, anything. But that's not freedom, it's anarchy.

Usually, the rest of us don't agonize over your intransigence. Often it has no direct impact on us. The guy in the "Daily Show" clip was only demanding the right to skid across a highway on his face, after all. But now you claim the right to risk the health care system and our personal lives.

So if you're angry, guess what? You're not the only ones.

Complete article here: link

Now let's see if they file for unemployment, file grievances with their unions about a new workplace rule that was not bargained for, etc.  I want to see them bear the full brunt of their actions.  If some of them actually get a bad case of COVID, I will not be sorry.   

[MJ2.0]

Sept 30, 2021 12:09:10 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Sept 29, 2021 18:02:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

LEONARD PITTS: Goodbye, and good riddance

"If you want to leave, take good care, hope you make a lot of nice friends out there." — From "Wild World" by Cat Stevens

•••

This is for those of you who've chosen to quit your jobs rather than submit to a vaccine mandate.

No telling how many of you there actually are, but lately, you're all over the news. Just last week, a nearly-30-year veteran of the San Jose Police Department surrendered his badge rather than comply with the city's requirement that all employees be inoculated against COVID-19. He joins an Army lieutenant colonel, some airline employees, a Major League Baseball executive, the choral director of the San Francisco Symphony, workers at the tax collector's office in Orange County, Fla., and, incredibly, dozens of health care professionals.

Well, on behalf of the rest of us, the ones who miss concerts, restaurants and other people's faces, the ones who are sick and tired of living in pandemic times, here's a word of response to you quitters: Goodbye.

And here's two more: Good riddance.

Not to minimize any of this. A few weeks ago, a hospital in upstate New York announced it would have to "pause" delivering babies because of resignations among its maternity staff. So the threat of difficult ramifications is certainly real. But on the plus side, your quitting goes a long way toward purging us of the gullible, the conspiracy-addled, the logic-impaired and the stubbornly ignorant. And that's not nothing.

We've been down this road before. Whenever faced with some mandate imposed in the interest of the common good, some of us act like they just woke up on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall. "There's no freedom no more," whined one man in video that recently aired on "The Daily Show With Trevor Noah." The clip was from the 1980s, and the guy had just gotten a ticket for not wearing his seatbelt.

It's an unfortunately common refrain. Can't smoke in a movie theater? Can't crank your music to headache decibels at 2 in the morning? Can't post the Ten Commandments in a courtroom? "There's no freedom no more." Some of you seem to think freedom means no one can be compelled to do, or refrain from doing, anything. But that's not freedom, it's anarchy.

Usually, the rest of us don't agonize over your intransigence. Often it has no direct impact on us. The guy in the "Daily Show" clip was only demanding the right to skid across a highway on his face, after all. But now you claim the right to risk the health care system and our personal lives.

So if you're angry, guess what? You're not the only ones.

Complete article here: link

Now let's see if they file for unemployment, file grievances with their unions about a new workplace rule that was not bargained for, etc.  I want to see them bear the full brunt of their actions.  If some of them actually get a bad case of COVID, I will not be sorry.   

I know that where my friend works, if you lose your employment due to not getting the vaccine it’s considered a voluntary termination. Meaning you were not fired, you resigned. Resignation means that you are not eligible for unemployment in my state. If employers really want to enforce getting the vaccine, they should go that route.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Sept 30, 2021 12:09:10 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Sept 29, 2021 18:02:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

LEONARD PITTS: Goodbye, and good riddance

"If you want to leave, take good care, hope you make a lot of nice friends out there." — From "Wild World" by Cat Stevens

•••

This is for those of you who've chosen to quit your jobs rather than submit to a vaccine mandate.

No telling how many of you there actually are, but lately, you're all over the news. Just last week, a nearly-30-year veteran of the San Jose Police Department surrendered his badge rather than comply with the city's requirement that all employees be inoculated against COVID-19. He joins an Army lieutenant colonel, some airline employees, a Major League Baseball executive, the choral director of the San Francisco Symphony, workers at the tax collector's office in Orange County, Fla., and, incredibly, dozens of health care professionals.

Well, on behalf of the rest of us, the ones who miss concerts, restaurants and other people's faces, the ones who are sick and tired of living in pandemic times, here's a word of response to you quitters: Goodbye.

And here's two more: Good riddance.

Not to minimize any of this. A few weeks ago, a hospital in upstate New York announced it would have to "pause" delivering babies because of resignations among its maternity staff. So the threat of difficult ramifications is certainly real. But on the plus side, your quitting goes a long way toward purging us of the gullible, the conspiracy-addled, the logic-impaired and the stubbornly ignorant. And that's not nothing.

We've been down this road before. Whenever faced with some mandate imposed in the interest of the common good, some of us act like they just woke up on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall. "There's no freedom no more," whined one man in video that recently aired on "The Daily Show With Trevor Noah." The clip was from the 1980s, and the guy had just gotten a ticket for not wearing his seatbelt.

It's an unfortunately common refrain. Can't smoke in a movie theater? Can't crank your music to headache decibels at 2 in the morning? Can't post the Ten Commandments in a courtroom? "There's no freedom no more." Some of you seem to think freedom means no one can be compelled to do, or refrain from doing, anything. But that's not freedom, it's anarchy.

Usually, the rest of us don't agonize over your intransigence. Often it has no direct impact on us. The guy in the "Daily Show" clip was only demanding the right to skid across a highway on his face, after all. But now you claim the right to risk the health care system and our personal lives.

So if you're angry, guess what? You're not the only ones.

Complete article here: link

Now let's see if they file for unemployment, file grievances with their unions about a new workplace rule that was not bargained for, etc.  I want to see them bear the full brunt of their actions.  If some of them actually get a bad case of COVID, I will not be sorry.   

At the hospital you would have been fired for non-compliance.   You can't collect UE in Nebraska if you were terminated for cause.   You can apply and sometimes your employer doesn't contest but most around here do because they don't want to pay.

[seriousthistime]

In red states where people are leaving their jobs over the vaccine requirement, you don't think a law will be enacted to allow people to quit over vaccine mandates and collect unemployment?  

That would seem to be the perfect situation for the red states to stick it to DC.  Use federal stimulus money to boost the unemployment funds to allow these people to collect. 

And with union grievances, sometimes they actually work.  Reinstate the employee to his or her former position with back pay, reinstatement of seniority, and a nice cash award for their inconvenience. 

I hope to be wrong on this. 

[thyme4change]

Sept 30, 2021 11:29:10 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Sept 30, 2021 11:19:36 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Maybe.  You're assuming there is a regular stream of babies coming and all the hospital maternity wards are always full.  My cousin is a maternity nurse and she has weeks with almost no babies and others where they are scrambling for rooms (I got put in a non-maternity room to recover).  Our maternity wing was closed for 6 months and the other hospitals easily absorbed them.

When I gave birth to Gwen it was me and one other lady in the ward.  When I gave birth to Abby it was like the movie Nine Months, I thought the front desk lady was going to cry when I waddled in and announced I was in labor.

With my second baby the nurse said she was afraid to leave triage because I might have to give birth in the hallway. She was a little nutty - but it was not a reassuring statement. I said to my husband - better the hall of a hospital vs the car.

[swamp]

Sept 30, 2021 11:07:40 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:48:08 GMT -5 swamp said:

You go to another hospital

But won’t that hospital then get overrun with people coming for baby deliveries? It’s kind of kicking the can down the road…

It could. But it’s a super low density population area. The other hospitals can pick up the slack in this certain situation

Unfortunately you will drive at least 30 mikes to the next closest hospital, maybe even 60 to 90

[andi9899]

Sept 30, 2021 12:42:49 GMT -5 swamp said:

Sept 30, 2021 11:07:40 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

But won’t that hospital then get overrun with people coming for baby deliveries? It’s kind of kicking the can down the road…

It could. But it’s a super low density population area. The other hospitals can pick up the slack in this certain situation

Unfortunately you will drive at least 30 mikes to the next closest hospital, maybe even 60 to 90

Providing you don't deliver in the car on the way there. With no drugs. Oh hell no! So glad I'm past my childbearing years.

[MJ2.0]

Sept 30, 2021 12:30:39 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

In red states where people are leaving their jobs over the vaccine requirement, you don't think a law will be enacted to allow people to quit over vaccine mandates and collect unemployment?  

That would seem to be the perfect situation for the red states to stick it to DC.  Use federal stimulus money to boost the unemployment funds to allow these people to collect. 

And with union grievances, sometimes they actually work.  Reinstate the employee to his or her former position with back pay, reinstatement of seniority, and a nice cash award for their inconvenience. 

I hope to be wrong on this. 

Red states are typically all for less govt intervention, so it would be wildly hypocritical for them to encourage constituents to game the system to receive unemployment.

[teen persuasion]

Sept 30, 2021 11:07:40 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:48:08 GMT -5 swamp said:

You go to another hospital

But won’t that hospital then get overrun with people coming for baby deliveries? It’s kind of kicking the can down the road…

We are all holding our breath, locally, to see how the dominoes fall in the next few days.


They are trying to plan around a nursing strike at one of the  hospitals in the Catholic Health System starting tomorrow, in the big metro area south of me.  They've told everyone to transfer all maternity cases to another hospital in the area, but doctors  are scrambling.  The big county medical center has turned off all optional surgeries and patient transfers (they aren't even in that system).  Rural counties to the east that transfer all cases to the affected hospital don't know where to go, now.

Covid cases aren't terribly high here, but are climbing.  The state vaccination mandate kicked in for medical staff on Monday, so all of the area is already scrambling to keep staffing at least close to normal while the antiVa lose their jobs. This strike is a dangerous game of chicken - but, honestly, it needs to be done! That hospital has been understaffed and overworking the nurses there for decades. Lack of basic supplies is another crucial issue driving the strike.

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Sept 30, 2021 12:30:39 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

In red states where people are leaving their jobs over the vaccine requirement, you don't think a law will be enacted to allow people to quit over vaccine mandates and collect unemployment?  

That would seem to be the perfect situation for the red states to stick it to DC.  Use federal stimulus money to boost the unemployment funds to allow these people to collect. 

And with union grievances, sometimes they actually work.  Reinstate the employee to his or her former position with back pay, reinstatement of seniority, and a nice cash award for their inconvenience. 

I hope to be wrong on this. 

I am guessing not because it is supposedly a huge selling point to be an at will state according to Republicans.   I can be fired for anything so long as it is not a protected class and even that *I* would have the burden of proof not the employer.  It's quite popular to find some random reason to fire people rather than lay them off because then there are no UE costs.

They would have to completely rewrite the UE rules in both Iowa and Nebraska for someone to be able to collect for being fired with cause.   All hell would break loose with the lobbyists.

Though to be fair with this modern crop of Republicans I could see them suddenly turning against it because it wasn't meant to affect THEM.  Now it's different!