Unvaccinated

[Opti]

Feb 9, 2022 14:44:32 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

 I don't have an answer as to how we could have done it better- the system has limits.

Could have given the intellectual property for cost...... like we did with Astra Zeneca. 3 Billion doses worldwide at 3 dollars a pop through Covax.

Did you know there were 9 billionaires created through the other vaccines? ...... Why?..... when so many were suffering and dying.

I just think that when the next pandemic comes around we have to be better at this.

J&J stopped producing their 1 shot vax in the Netherlands. They are producing something else there now. Bad for low-income countries because of the one-shot requirement plus storage. We are evolving out of this, so  .

[Opti]

Feb 9, 2022 10:36:24 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Feb 8, 2022 11:02:43 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

I got my tests a week ago. My DH got some free n95's, too, but they look like athletic cups.

We are still waiting for our tests.  I saw something on Twitter yesterday that implied the tests might not be useable/accurate, because of sitting in the cold temps we've been having. 

LOL on the athletic cups!  DH located them in one local store advertising they were in.  When he showed it to me, my first thought was - those are industrial masks, not medical.  You know, for finishing furniture, etc. 

My tests haven't arrived either, but I live in a complex area for mail delivery. Anyone in NJ see the free masks from the govt stockpile locally yet? Noticed Walmart had a bunch of rapid tests that could be purchased.

[jerseygirl]

Another NJ without receiving tests[ or masks
br]Ok cause omicron is on the way out and think little need for tests

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

We got ours. I put them away since we only were allowed to get four we aren't going to rush to use them.  We'll keep them for events like what just happened with my MIL.   

Cause otherwise I am testing every dang day because I have allergies out the yin yang thanks to the weather changes.  I can't be 100% sure it's NOT Omicron but since I'm vaccinated/boostered and as far as I know haven't come in contact with anyone I am not going to spend a ton on home tests nor drive around trying to find one.

[NastyWoman]

Neither tests nor a delivery here yet. It is the same for all my friends in this area.

Meanwhile DGS2 tested positive on the PCR test on Monday but today tested negative on the at home test. Aside from a few days of exhaustion and one day of a slight fever he has been ok and he is now, according to DDIL a ball of energy. With any kind of luck he can test out of quarantine (PCR) on Saturday

[TheOtherMe]

My sister got hers a week before me and she lives all of 20 miles from me.

I did receive an email that they were arriving and then they arrived a day early.

[teen persuasion]

I learned about a 4 yo I know who had Covid at Christmas, and was hospitalized in January for MIS-C. The family was as careful as possible, but she's still too young to be vaxxed, yet. ">

DS5's weekly D&D session is on hold because his friends' mom has Covid so the family is quarantining. They usually host the session. A few weeks ago another school friend had Covid so she couldn't make that session. Not sure of any of their vaccination statuses, though.


But, yes rabid anti-maskers, now that the evil governor has agreed to lift the repressive mask mandate for businesses, now is the time to fight to unmask the kids in schools, too.  Of course those are completely identical situations, right?  

[NastyWoman]

CA will lift the general indoor mask mandate on 2/15. This does not apply to schools, hospitals, public transportation, etc. where the mandate stays. They will also leave it up to individual counties to set stricter rules if they so desire. Of the nine Bay Area counties only one decided to keep the masks until they reach certain goals with infection rates and hospitalizations - the one I live in. I am not complaining. LA county (the largest in the state with >10M people) has made the same decision and their masks stay on as well

[Lizard Queen]

Feb 9, 2022 22:30:37 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

I learned about a 4 yo I know who had Covid at Christmas, and was hospitalized in January for MIS-C. The family was as careful as possible, but she's still too young to be vaxxed, yet. ">

DS5's weekly D&D session is on hold because his friends' mom has Covid so the family is quarantining. They usually host the session. A few weeks ago another school friend had Covid so she couldn't make that session. Not sure of any of their vaccination statuses, though.


But, yes rabid anti-maskers, now that the evil governor has agreed to lift the repressive mask mandate for businesses, now is the time to fight to unmask the kids in schools, too.  Of course those are completely identical situations, right?  

My SIl is a 4th grade teacher, and said wearing masks is hurting the kids ability to learn how to read. Our relationship is a little bit on shaky ground, so I didn't ask her to elaborate. Because they can't hear the words properly? I don't know.
Anyway, I agree with you, but our schools went mask optional after Christmas break.

[teen persuasion]

Feb 10, 2022 8:02:27 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Feb 9, 2022 22:30:37 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

I learned about a 4 yo I know who had Covid at Christmas, and was hospitalized in January for MIS-C. The family was as careful as possible, but she's still too young to be vaxxed, yet. ">

DS5's weekly D& session is on hold because his friends' mom has Covid so the family is quarantining. They usually host the session. A few weeks ago another school friend had Covid so she couldn't make that session. Not sure of any of their vaccination statuses, though.


But, yes rabid anti-maskers, now that the evil governor has agreed to lift the repressive mask mandate for businesses, now is the time to fight to unmask the kids in schools, too.  Of course those are completely identical situations, right?  

My SIl is a 4th grade teacher, and said wearing masks is hurting the kids ability to learn how to read. Our relationship is a little bit on shaky ground, so I didn't ask her to elaborate. Because they can't hear the words properly? I don't know.
Anyway, I agree with you, but our schools went mask optional after Christmas break.

Yeah, I can see how the muffling of voices via masks is not optimal for learning.  I have trouble understanding some people at work, between the mask and a plexiglass barrier.

Curious how many opted to drop masks at your schools.  For now, our state Board of Education is maintaining the mask mandate for schools, but there's a loud contingent demanding it end.  DS5 is fully vaxxed and boosted, and I've seen lots of other teens with masks below their noses, so I'm not sure how much good it does having him continue to wear a mask if they become optional.

I was looking at the state school Covid report card for our district.  Numbers are low in the HS and MS, much higher in the ES (students, staff, and teachers), 3 or 4 times higher.  I have to take that to mean that vaccines work - the older kids had the opportunity to get vaxxed long before the ES age kids.

[TheOtherMe]

Read today that a teacher said masks are causing children to not learn empathy.  I don't know if she meant the actual wearing of masks or the discourse over wearing masks.  If she meant the discourse, she is correct.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 10, 2022 16:22:12 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

Read today that a teacher said masks are causing children to not learn empathy.  I don't know if she meant the actual wearing of masks or the discourse over wearing masks.  If she meant the discourse, she is correct.

Correlation does not equal causation.  So much else has happened the last 2 years that you really can't make any sort of statement like that.  She could have just as easily said that needing to learn over the computer rather than in class caused children not to learn empathy and TBH, THAT would be a more valid statement because you are missing the daily interactions that you'd otherwise have in person - a lot like why it is easier to say something nasty to someone online than it is to say it to their face.

  

[Spellbound454]

[/quote] Yeah, I can see how the muffling of voices via masks is not optimal for learning.

Its ok, kids are adaptable...... (I have been teaching in masks and a visor for the last 18 months)

Normally stood at the front in the visor, (so the kids can see my mouth)...  but If you ask a question and can't hear their answer, they just talk louder or pull it down for that moment.

It is, what it is......Masks have undoubtedly saved a lot of people from illness.

[Lizard Queen]

So, folks still waiting on your free tests, I guess insurance is supposed to cover up to 8 a month anyway:
www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/01/10/biden-harris-administration-requires-insurance-companies-group-health-plans-to-cover-cost-at-home-covid-19-tests-increasing-access-free-tests.html

[NastyWoman]

I just read that the under 5 crew will have to wait a few more months before there is a chance of vaccinations for them. Pfizer has withdrawn its approval request until the results of the third 3mg shot are in.

[CCL]

I just got my free tests in the mail today.

[billisonboard]

Got mine today also. 

[Opti]

Feb 11, 2022 20:11:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I just read that the under 5 crew will have to wait a few more months before there is a chance of vaccinations for them. Pfizer has withdrawn its approval request until the results of the third 3mg shot are in.

Interesting. Thanks for posting. I wonder if they got lots of nasty mail from anti-vaxxers.

[haapai]

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[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 11, 2022 20:11:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I just read that the under 5 crew will have to wait a few more months before there is a chance of vaccinations for them. Pfizer has withdrawn its approval request until the results of the third 3mg shot are in.

This sounds prudent.  

[raeoflyte]

Feb 12, 2022 12:22:32 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Feb 11, 2022 20:11:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I just read that the under 5 crew will have to wait a few more months before there is a chance of vaccinations for them. Pfizer has withdrawn its approval request until the results of the third 3mg shot are in.

This sounds prudent.  

It does, but I'd be losing my mind if I had kids under 5.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 12, 2022 13:39:38 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Feb 12, 2022 12:22:32 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

This sounds prudent.  

It does, but I'd be losing my mind if I had kids under 5.

It kind of makes sense, if you look at the science side of it.  The dose is 1/10 of the adult dose.  A little dose more frequently has a lower risk than a higher dose given less…..especially in kids.  As the risk for kids getting severe covid is much lower, the risk ratio is more stringent.  

Think of the madness that happened just with the now unfounded accusations of Wakefield, MMR and autism and the long lasting effects of that today.  This is the absolute last thing that they want, with all of the misinformation already out there about covid vaccination. 

[raeoflyte]

Feb 12, 2022 14:07:14 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Feb 12, 2022 13:39:38 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

It does, but I'd be losing my mind if I had kids under 5.

It kind of makes sense, if you look at the science side of it.  The dose is 1/10 of the adult dose.  A little dose more frequently has a lower risk than a higher dose given less…..especially in kids.  As the risk for kids getting severe covid is much lower, the risk ratio is more stringent.  

Think of the madness that happened just with the now unfounded accusations of Wakefield, MMR and autism and the long lasting effects of that today.  This is the absolute last thing that they want, with all of the misinformation already out there about covid vaccination. 

I don't disagree! I just feel bad for families dealing with it.

Everyone has decided the pandemic is over but they're stuck. The kids are still susceptible themselves and little vectors of disease to pass it on to everyone else. I don't know how we would be coping.

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I haven't received our free tests yet, so I bought some from a friend for $8.50 each which she says is her company's cost and that's much cheaper than the local pharmacies if you can find any

[andi9899]

I got my tests today. I never got a shipping notification, just one saying that they were out for delivery. I didn't see it until about an hour ago and they were delivered this morning. I hope they are OK after being in the cold all day.

[teen persuasion]

Feb 12, 2022 14:13:13 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Feb 12, 2022 14:07:14 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

It kind of makes sense, if you look at the science side of it.  The dose is 1/10 of the adult dose.  A little dose more frequently has a lower risk than a higher dose given less…..especially in kids.  As the risk for kids getting severe covid is much lower, the risk ratio is more stringent.  

Think of the madness that happened just with the now unfounded accusations of Wakefield, MMR and autism and the long lasting effects of that today.  This is the absolute last thing that they want, with all of the misinformation already out there about covid vaccination. 

I don't disagree! I just feel bad for families dealing with it.

Everyone has decided the pandemic is over but they're stuck. The kids are still susceptible themselves and little vectors of disease to pass it on to everyone else. I don't know how we would be coping.

Governor dropped the mask mandate this week, but businesses and other entities can still have their own.  My employer is still keeping our mask rule for the time being (Board of Trustees would need to vote to change it).  You wouldn't know it, though, judging by all the people who walked in w/o a mask today.  C'mon, you had to miss the mask required sign on the outer door, AND the bigger one on the inner door, AND the one at the hand sanitizer station!  Really?  


We want to keep masks for the sake of the under 5 kids, who still can't get vaxxed. Looks like it's going to be hard to maintain, now that state mandates are lifted. Back to normal!

[Tennesseer]

As expected, the top ten states are Reoublican states.

States Where the Most People Are Refusing the COVID-19 Vaccine

As the omicron variant continues to spread, the national vaccination effort is as urgent as it ever has been. Still, many Americans remain hesitant.

According to a recent survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, 23,830,000 Americans -- or 9.6% of the 18 and older population -- say they will either probably or definitely not agree to receive the vaccination.

The share of Americans who will likely refuse vaccination varies considerably nationwide, from as many as 20.5% of the adult population to as little as 3.6%, depending on the state.

Many Americans who have yet to be vaccinated cite one of three reasons: either they are concerned about possible side effects, or they want to wait to see if it is safe, or it is difficult for them to obtain a vaccination. Others cite different reasons.

Nationwide, 14,120,000 people, 5.7% of the adult population, do not trust the COVID-19 vaccines, and another 6,980,000, or 2.8%, do not think COVID-19 is a big threat. Additionally, 12,130,000 American adults, or 4.9% of the 18 and older population, have not been vaccinated because they do not trust the government.

Meanwhile, the virus continues to spread. Since the beginning of the pandemic, there have been 76,448,067 confirmed cases of the virus and a total of 902,189 Americans have died as a result.

So far, 213,430,434 Americans -- or 65.2% of the total population -- have received the full course of vaccinations necessary to protect against COVID-19.

All survey data used in this story was published by the Census on Jan. 19, 2022. All data related to COVID-19 infections, fatalities, and vaccinations is current as of Feb. 10, 2022.

Article and list of states here: States Where the Most People Are Refusing the COVID-19 Vaccine

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I'm surprised Iowa was at 17. I figured it would be in the top 10.

Was also surprised Nebraska is at 30.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 13, 2022 12:08:15 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I'm surprised Iowa was at 17. I figured it would be in the top 10.

Was also surprised Nebraska is at 30.

This was a weird survey.  The top states of adults to refuse vaccination are not necessarily the least vaccinated states.  

It would be interesting to see how this relates to which states have the oldest populations.  Doesn’t surprise me about Montana and Idaho being up there.  When we drove through those states going to Calgary last fall, we were the only people wearing masks when we stopped in those states.

[NastyWoman]

I received confirmation that I will get my free tests on Friday. We'll see if the USPS will actually keep to that schedule. A lot of my mail has been delayed the last couple of months.