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Post by azucena on Feb 8, 2022 8:43:21 GMT -5
So my crazy cousin posted on FB how she saved her husband's life with ivermectin after insisting the doctors stop using remdesivir because it wasn't working--according to her. She mixed it in to a compound with other stuff and rubbed it on him so the medical staff thought she was holding his hand as she always did. She says he started to improve immediately. My two doctor cousins are going crazy because she has written out the formula and where to buy it and her post has been shared over 30 times in the last 2 hours. So far 4 of us cousins have reported the post for false information. Hopefully it gets removed. She is going to get people killed. One person asked why she took him to the hospital and did she attribute him being alive to medical science. She said no, it was the ivermectin that saved him and he didn't need to be hospitalized. And my uneducated crazy family members wonder why I don't want to see them. At least I have two pediatricians in the family and several other cousins who agree this is the craziest thing they have ever heard. See I told you it was going to be a topical cream. I'd be awfully tempted to post that it was pretty stupid of her to run up $$,$$$s in medical bills since she could have treated him at home.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 8, 2022 9:17:07 GMT -5
I think now she does wish she treated him at home. He says the biggest mistake they made was taking him to the hospital. My doctor cousins say he would be dead if he had not been hospitalized and treated with the Covid regimen of treatments. I am tempted to do that but the one person who had the gall to ask why she thinks this was so effective and the FDA approved treatments got jumped on completely. The post is still there this morning.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 8, 2022 10:15:45 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 8, 2022 10:21:21 GMT -5
Received email my tests are to arrive by Friday
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Post by anciana on Feb 8, 2022 10:41:42 GMT -5
I have received mine few day ago
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 8, 2022 10:49:13 GMT -5
I have received mine few day ago Ours too.
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 8, 2022 10:55:38 GMT -5
Did you get a shipping confirmation email? I haven't gotten my tests or a shipping email yet.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 8, 2022 10:58:32 GMT -5
I think now she does wish she treated him at home. He says the biggest mistake they made was taking him to the hospital. My doctor cousins say he would be dead if he had not been hospitalized and treated with the Covid regimen of treatments. I am tempted to do that but the one person who had the gall to ask why she thinks this was so effective and the FDA approved treatments got jumped on completely. The post is still there this morning. Is there a reason you have to stay connected to them on social media? Dh and I are polar opposites when it comes to this. I've unfriended everyone that causes me more stress than anything positive. I'm pretty much OK with dropping those people in real life too, with a few exceptions. Dh prefers to stay connected and "watch the crazy" as he puts it. He says it's so he can know what they're thinking, and since his parents are in that category he isn't ready to just cut them off like I can in my circle. (Personally I think it makes his anxiety worse, but still his choice). Anyway, short story long, is it worth staying connected to them? Are there other people who could give you family updates if you decided to unplug? Or would you really miss much even if you didn't hear? Would staying peripherally connected through Christmas cards or something similar be enough? My Facebook feed is mostly arts and crafts now, with a few updates from people I want to stay connected to.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 8, 2022 11:02:43 GMT -5
I got my tests a week ago. My DH got some free n95's, too, but they look like athletic cups.
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Post by anciana on Feb 8, 2022 11:02:55 GMT -5
Did you get a shipping confirmation email? I haven't gotten my tests or a shipping email yet. Yes, I first got an email when they shipped that had tracking info
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 8, 2022 12:47:03 GMT -5
Haven’t received our tests yet and Omicron quickly falling in NJ and NY so will be less need for testing Oh what’s the cliché? Good enough got government work??
Not really in a pandemic
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Post by Opti on Feb 8, 2022 12:55:18 GMT -5
Haven’t received our tests yet and Omicron quickly falling in NJ and NY so will be less need for testing Oh week what’s the cliché? Good enough got government work?? Not really in a pandemic It's the federal government and it was telegraphed from the outset that most tests would be delivered in February. Because Covid is evolving us out of the pandemic, Biden chose to release tests and masks from the federal stockpile to all the states. Instead of healthcare facilities like hospitals, skilled nursing facilities and assisted living facilities. Given Trump decimated the post office b4 he left with his apointee, its going to be amazing this works at all. That guy promised to slow down delivery, lessen the guarantee for mail delivery and trashed letter sorting machines b4 the 2020 election. They will come. When ?
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Post by saveinla on Feb 8, 2022 13:52:54 GMT -5
We got ours 3 weeks ago - niece ordered it for us even before we had known about the website, since she had our address and was doing it for herself.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 8, 2022 13:58:16 GMT -5
Mine arrived yesterday.
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Post by anciana on Feb 8, 2022 15:41:09 GMT -5
Haven’t received our tests yet and Omicron quickly falling in NJ and NY so will be less need for testing Oh what’s the cliché? Good enough got government work?? Not really in a pandemic The number of case is dropping here as well. I wish we could have done this (sending some at-home tests to everyone) last fall, before Thanksgiving and Christmas as I believe that would have had a big impact. But I understand that Abbot stopped production last spring and it took them a while to bring it back up, so it might have been impossible.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 8, 2022 16:21:38 GMT -5
Haven’t received our tests yet and Omicron quickly falling in NJ and NY so will be less need for testing Oh what’s the cliché? Good enough got government work?? Not really in a pandemic The number of case is dropping here as well. I wish we could have done this (sending some at-home tests to everyone) last fall, before Thanksgiving and Christmas as I believe that would have had a big impact. But I understand that Abbot stopped production last spring and it took them a while to bring it back up, so it might have been impossible. But thought Biden was going to use Defense Act ? But didn’t to preorder the oral therapeutics, testing supplies Waited till Omicron was really starting to ramp up
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Post by haapai on Feb 8, 2022 16:26:09 GMT -5
I got my tests a week ago. My DH got some free n95's, too, but they look like athletic cups. Athletic cup! Yes, those were the words that I was struggling and failing to find. I mimed it instead. I think that the 70-year-old gal handing them out had already heard that, several times.
FWIW, on persons with relatively small faces, a lot of the cup lands up below your chin, which lessens the visual similarity somewhat. On the downside, the mask is rigid. It feels like wearing a plastic cup on your face. I detected quite a bit more leakage on the sides and nose compared the the 3M mask and found the straps either too tight or too loose.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 8, 2022 16:37:31 GMT -5
The number of case is dropping here as well. I wish we could have done this (sending some at-home tests to everyone) last fall, before Thanksgiving and Christmas as I believe that would have had a big impact. But I understand that Abbot stopped production last spring and it took them a while to bring it back up, so it might have been impossible. But thought Biden was going to use Defense Act ? But didn’t to preorder the oral therapeutics, testing supplies Waited till Omicron was really starting to ramp up He was pushing vaccines. You know, the way to prevent this, what would have gotten us out of this, and is still the right choice. Everything else is a poor substitute. It would save far more lives, as well as cost less than treating it with a new, still not proven medication, and also would have saved the hospital costs. I have yet to see you criticize all the Republican politicians spreading their disinformation. You know, the thing that is prolonging the pandemic and truly getting people killed. At this point in the pandemic, testing is not going to make much of a difference, and the number of doses of the oral medications, even if preordered, would have been a drop in the bucket, and not have affected the trajectory of the pandemic, given the explosion of cases over such a short time. How long did it take to ramp up vaccine production despite the pre-orders that were done
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 8, 2022 17:29:14 GMT -5
We took a massive hit from Omicron and did have the home tests. The tests were good for the careful who wanted a Christmas party...... and asked for everyone to test before they arrived. but too many went clubbing/partying etc and it spread like wildfire. I think the government gave up in the end and they just let people get it. We don't have to wear masks anymore but I'm still wearing mine. Infection rate here is 700 per 100K and although its gone down by about 500 in the last two weeks its still way too high.(32 in the summer) I'm in contact with a lot of kids with Covid and have been for many months. Its going down again after a brief hiatus..... but things are looking better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2022 17:55:30 GMT -5
I have yet to see you criticize all the Republican politicians spreading their disinformation. You know, the thing that is prolonging the pandemic and truly getting people killed. At this point in the pandemic, testing is not going to make much of a difference, and the number of doses of the oral medications, even if preordered, would have been a drop in the bucket, and not have affected the trajectory of the pandemic, given the explosion of cases over such a short time. How long did it take to ramp up vaccine production despite the pre-orders that were done I will! There was a ton of it, right from the top, including the suggestion of drinking bleach to fight "the germ, the virus, whatever it is" and then insisting after getting oxygen delivered to the White House and being flown to Walter Reed by helicopter for state-of-the-art treatment for his own case, dismissing it as no worse than the flu. But how much of it was the fact that we couldn't deploy the vaccines quickly enough to other countries? While the developed countries did take the risks and fund the development and testing and naturally wanted to immunize their own populations first (the BBC referred to it as "gobbling up" the initial supplies) and the necessity of storing some at ultra-low temperatures made it difficult to deploy, that left large populations unprotected. Delta was first found in India and Omicron in South America. A former colleague in India posted late last year when he got vaccinated and thanked our employer. By that point just about anyone in the US who wanted a vaccination had gotten it. The vaccination rate in India was 20% at the time and this guy- living in a major city, educated, good job with health insurance- had gotten it through his employer. Where does that leave the people living elbow-to-elbow in tents without any running water, let alone masks or hand sanitizer? I don't have an answer as to how we could have done it better- the system has limits. I'm profoundly grateful I was one of the first in line (2/27/2021) but well aware that we needed worldwide vaccination and just couldn't reach everybody.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 8, 2022 18:24:41 GMT -5
I have yet to see you criticize all the Republican politicians spreading their disinformation. You know, the thing that is prolonging the pandemic and truly getting people killed. At this point in the pandemic, testing is not going to make much of a difference, and the number of doses of the oral medications, even if preordered, would have been a drop in the bucket, and not have affected the trajectory of the pandemic, given the explosion of cases over such a short time. How long did it take to ramp up vaccine production despite the pre-orders that were done I will! There was a ton of it, right from the top, including the suggestion of drinking bleach to fight "the germ, the virus, whatever it is" and then insisting after getting oxygen delivered to the White House and being flown to Walter Reed by helicopter for state-of-the-art treatment for his own case, dismissing it as no worse than the flu. But how much of it was the fact that we couldn't deploy the vaccines quickly enough to other countries? While the developed countries did take the risks and fund the development and testing and naturally wanted to immunize their own populations first (the BBC referred to it as "gobbling up" the initial supplies) and the necessity of storing some at ultra-low temperatures made it difficult to deploy, that left large populations unprotected. Delta was first found in India and Omicron in South America. A former colleague in India posted late last year when he got vaccinated and thanked our employer. By that point just about anyone in the US who wanted a vaccination had gotten it. The vaccination rate in India was 20% at the time and this guy- living in a major city, educated, good job with health insurance- had gotten it through his employer. Where does that leave the people living elbow-to-elbow in tents without any running water, let alone masks or hand sanitizer? I don't have an answer as to how we could have done it better- the system has limits. I'm profoundly grateful I was one of the first in line (2/27/2021) but well aware that we needed worldwide vaccination and just couldn't reach everybody. The risk of mutation persists, true. But if you are vaccinated and boosted, even with omicron, you are 23.5 times less likely to be admitted to the hospital. The Danes have a much higher rate of boosters. If we matched them, we would have had 50% fewer hospital admissions. We could have done better. Given our wealth, medical system, and technology, we should have done better. The fact that we didn’t is criminal. And entirely due to our behavior at this point. Blaming Biden for what has happened since the summer is unfair. It is not like we have all been pulling in the same direction
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Post by steph08 on Feb 8, 2022 18:28:27 GMT -5
For the first time, our hospital stats list more vaccinated people hospitalized with COVID than unvaccinated. However, there is no differentiation between people that are hospitalized because of COVID and those hospitalized for other reasons and also positive for COVID.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2022 18:43:50 GMT -5
The Danes have a much higher rate of boosters. If we matched them, we would have had 50% fewer hospital admissions. We could have done better. Given our wealth, medical system, and technology, we should have done better. The fact that we didn’t is criminal. And entirely due to our behavior at this point. Blaming Biden for what has happened since the summer is unfair. It is not like we have all been pulling in the same direction Interesting that you used a Scandinavian country as an example. One of the points brought up in Dr. Attia's latest podcast interview (and I know from my earlier post on this podcast that your view from the front lines was very different from many of their statements) was that people in Scandinavian countries trust their government. If the government says get vaccinated, or stay home, they do. People in the US, for many good reasons, do NOT trust their government. The docs' concern was that this does not bode well for the next pandemic or any other crisis. The government has no credibility with most people. I didn't get vaccinated because Trump did (quietly) or Biden or Harris did. I got vaccinated because the information sources I considered credible convinced me that it was the best thing to do. Right now I'm reading a very good book about Churchill's leadership during the Blitz. If we were told to use blackout curtains, turn out all our lights, use ration coupons for sugar and flour, would we do it?
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 8, 2022 20:56:55 GMT -5
Right now I'm reading a very good book about Churchill's leadership during the Blitz. If we were told to use blackout curtains, turn out all our lights, use ration coupons for sugar and flour, would we do it? Today I think there would be the same divide as there is over Covid. My parents talked a lot about gas, sugar, flour, etc rationing. I have one of my mom's ration books. Hard to find the nylons she was expected to wear at work. It would be made political today. When I toured the Imperial War Museum in London, one of the exhibitions was from the Blitz. It was a simulation of the sirens going off and people heading for the Underground stations. It was scary. Kids crying, people running to get there before the bombs started.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 8, 2022 21:22:17 GMT -5
Don’t Look up is about impending meteror hitting earth and how it’s politicized
Near movie about woman scientist and funny/sad
We visited the British war museum also and yes the recreation of the blitz was terrifying - brave and united people!
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 8, 2022 21:42:30 GMT -5
The Danes have a much higher rate of boosters. If we matched them, we would have had 50% fewer hospital admissions. We could have done better. Given our wealth, medical system, and technology, we should have done better. The fact that we didn’t is criminal. And entirely due to our behavior at this point. Blaming Biden for what has happened since the summer is unfair. It is not like we have all been pulling in the same direction Interesting that you used a Scandinavian country as an example. One of the points brought up in Dr. Attia's latest podcast interview (and I know from my earlier post on this podcast that your view from the front lines was very different from many of their statements) was that people in Scandinavian countries trust their government. If the government says get vaccinated, or stay home, they do. People in the US, for many good reasons, do NOT trust their government. The docs' concern was that this does not bode well for the next pandemic or any other crisis. The government has no credibility with most people. I didn't get vaccinated because Trump did (quietly) or Biden or Harris did. I got vaccinated because the information sources I considered credible convinced me that it was the best thing to do. Right now I'm reading a very good book about Churchill's leadership during the Blitz. If we were told to use blackout curtains, turn out all our lights, use ration coupons for sugar and flour, would we do it? I agree that distrust played a huge part in this. The Scandinavian countries are an example of what would have been possible here given our advantages. Unfortunately, we have reaped the anti-government propaganda of the last 40 years, and trump just magnified it in 3020. If he could have been a leader, had congress unified, and supported the cdc, we may have done better. I may be too optimistic. Our anti-intellectual, anti-science bias may have prevented us from doing better. But unless we learn from our mistakes, we will have a repeat of this result in the next health disaster(just like 1918 and with aids), and all of of technologic advantages will again be for naught
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 9, 2022 10:36:24 GMT -5
I got my tests a week ago. My DH got some free n95's, too, but they look like athletic cups. We are still waiting for our tests. I saw something on Twitter yesterday that implied the tests might not be useable/accurate, because of sitting in the cold temps we've been having. LOL on the athletic cups! DH located them in one local store advertising they were in. When he showed it to me, my first thought was - those are industrial masks, not medical. You know, for finishing furniture, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 10:48:22 GMT -5
I may be too optimistic. Our anti-intellectual, anti-science bias may have prevented us from doing better. But unless we learn from our mistakes, we will have a repeat of this result in the next health disaster(just like 1918 and with aids), and all of of technologic advantages will again be for naught I saw a lot of bad "logic" during COVID and a lot of people who were unable to process any uncertainties. We were learning as we went, knowledge evolved, the virus mutated. There was great consternation when last week's answer turned out to be wrong. People were throwing around numbers without the context to make them meaningful (case counts over time without the associated number of tests, for example). Sadly, I don't think our current educational system is helping people think critically.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 9, 2022 11:00:06 GMT -5
I may be too optimistic. Our anti-intellectual, anti-science bias may have prevented us from doing better. But unless we learn from our mistakes, we will have a repeat of this result in the next health disaster(just like 1918 and with aids), and all of of technologic advantages will again be for naught I saw a lot of bad "logic" during COVID and a lot of people who were unable to process any uncertainties. We were learning as we went, knowledge evolved, the virus mutated. There was great consternation when last week's answer turned out to be wrong. People were throwing around numbers without the context to make them meaningful (case counts over time without the associated number of tests, for example). Sadly, I don't think our current educational system is helping people think critically. I would agree with you about our educational system. Math and science illiteracy is worsening. It seems to be a badge of honor to be “bad at math.” So many people avoid science as much as possible. Sadly, given our current attacks on education, it will only get worse. Our economic advantages have been built on technology, which was aided by the destruction from WW2. The rest of the world is closing the gap. If we are not careful, we will lose our advantage. It will be a sad day when that happens, and be quite expensive to rectify. I do not have a good feeling about our ability to deal with this given our pandemic response
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 9, 2022 14:44:32 GMT -5
Could have given the intellectual property for cost...... like we did with Astra Zeneca. 3 Billion doses worldwide at 3 dollars a pop through Covax.
Did you know there were 9 billionaires created through the other vaccines? ...... Why?..... when so many were suffering and dying.
I just think that when the next pandemic comes around we have to be better at this.
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