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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 3, 2022 8:22:25 GMT -5
It has gotten worse. But why would you care Now you’re resorting to personal attacks? I lost a brother to this. But why would you care? I'm sorry for your loss. 🥀
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 3, 2022 9:31:33 GMT -5
Remember the cousin's husband who was on a vent? This is paraphrasing what he wrote on FB yesterday. He tested positive while they were in Iowa for Christmas. That means he exposed his in-laws who are over 65 at a minimum. They then drove home to North Carolina, exposing people along the way. He was sick enough that he doesn't remember being taken by ambulance to the hospital. He doesn't think the sedation and vent were necessary. He didn't start to improve until his wife, though connections, got a hold of some "alternative" treatments and began treating him with them. They didn't tell the medical team. That is when he started to improve "drastically" every day and that is the treatment he recommends for others. I guess this is the reason they have never thanked the medical team or any of the treatment he received at the hospital. What to doctors know?
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 3, 2022 9:51:38 GMT -5
I am not a medical worker nor do I play one on TV, but if someone is on a vent I'm going to guess that they wouldn't be able to ingest anything by mouth. If something was slipped into an IV I'd bet it would be pretty apparent as they're checked on periodically. And if someone was on a vent would they really know what is going on? My grandpa died in 2010 of pneumonia and was on a vent and he was pretty sedated.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 3, 2022 10:03:45 GMT -5
The family could put something down the tube into their stomachs. Would need to do so surreptitiously, but given how busy ICUs can be, if they really want to do something, they could. You would be amazed at what people will do.
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Post by Opti on Feb 3, 2022 10:28:58 GMT -5
Remember the cousin's husband who was on a vent? This is paraphrasing what he wrote on FB yesterday. He tested positive while they were in Iowa for Christmas. That means he exposed his in-laws who are over 65 at a minimum. They then drove home to North Carolina, exposing people along the way. He was sick enough that he doesn't remember being taken by ambulance to the hospital. He doesn't think the sedation and vent were necessary. He didn't start to improve until his wife, though connections, got a hold of some "alternative" treatments and began treating him with them. They didn't tell the medical team. That is when he started to improve "drastically" every day and that is the treatment he recommends for others. I guess this is the reason they have never thanked the medical team or any of the treatment he received at the hospital. What to doctors know? The power of belief can do much. Including denying how sick you must have been to have no memory of much of the event.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 3, 2022 10:55:03 GMT -5
Now you’re resorting to personal attacks? I lost a brother to this. But why would you care? And this is the first that I have heard about losing your brother.
If you want to talk about this more, or use your bro as a bloody shirt, I'm gonna have to ask you some questions regarding his vaccination status and preexisting conditions.
I expect you to avoid and evade even the most basic questions such as how old your brother was and when he died.
Please give me some reason to believe in humanity by proving me wrong. This is such an easy test to pass. I'm not even asking you if he was diabetic or hypertensive, obese, or immune-supressed. All that I am asking is approximately how old he was and when he died. Can you even do that? Or is owning us much more important than facts?
This is shockingly insensitive.
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Post by dannylion on Feb 3, 2022 10:56:55 GMT -5
Aaaaaaand DSIL had Covid now. He said this morning that he is actually excited because that means he gets at least 5 days off IN A ROW while he recovers. Work can't call him in, he's too sick to do anything around the house, and he won't/ can't go anywhere. All he can do is sleep. Poor guy. He got pretty far into this pandemic before he finally got it. He thinks he picked it up during one of his last days working in ICU. And he has reported 4 physical altercations with patients in the past 4 months. One was pretty bad. Wishing him a speedy and uneventful recovery.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 3, 2022 11:34:20 GMT -5
Remember the cousin's husband who was on a vent? This is paraphrasing what he wrote on FB yesterday. He tested positive while they were in Iowa for Christmas. That means he exposed his in-laws who are over 65 at a minimum. They then drove home to North Carolina, exposing people along the way. He was sick enough that he doesn't remember being taken by ambulance to the hospital. He doesn't think the sedation and vent were necessary. He didn't start to improve until his wife, though connections, got a hold of some "alternative" treatments and began treating him with them. They didn't tell the medical team. That is when he started to improve "drastically" every day and that is the treatment he recommends for others. I guess this is the reason they have never thanked the medical team or any of the treatment he received at the hospital. What to doctors know? And let me guess for the easy low payment of $39.99 you to can get ahold of the COVID miracle cure?
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Post by busymom on Feb 3, 2022 11:40:50 GMT -5
Remember the cousin's husband who was on a vent? This is paraphrasing what he wrote on FB yesterday. He tested positive while they were in Iowa for Christmas. That means he exposed his in-laws who are over 65 at a minimum. They then drove home to North Carolina, exposing people along the way. He was sick enough that he doesn't remember being taken by ambulance to the hospital. He doesn't think the sedation and vent were necessary. He didn't start to improve until his wife, though connections, got a hold of some "alternative" treatments and began treating him with them. They didn't tell the medical team. That is when he started to improve "drastically" every day and that is the treatment he recommends for others. I guess this is the reason they have never thanked the medical team or any of the treatment he received at the hospital. What to doctors know? So, if hospitals do no good, why was he even taken to the hospital? Yes, I believe in God, but I also believe God sends help through medical care. Not "magic potions".
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Post by azucena on Feb 3, 2022 12:01:31 GMT -5
I am not a medical worker nor do I play one on TV, but if someone is on a vent I'm going to guess that they wouldn't be able to ingest anything by mouth. If something was slipped into an IV I'd bet it would be pretty apparent as they're checked on periodically. And if someone was on a vent would they really know what is going on? My grandpa died in 2010 of pneumonia and was on a vent and he was pretty sedated. My money is on a topical cream. That should cure a respiratory disease right?
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 3, 2022 12:47:11 GMT -5
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 3, 2022 13:21:04 GMT -5
"Lockdowns" do not work, but closing restaurants decreased mortality by 10%. Seems like limiting social interactions(which is how respiratory illnesses spread) had a positive effect on mortality. Seems like the conclusions do not fit the data. Notwithstanding that the study was done by economists, the endpoint was suspect, and the authors are from the Cato Institute.
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Post by haapai on Feb 3, 2022 13:25:35 GMT -5
The commentary on the estimated efficacy of closing bars really jumped out at me.
The study did give partial credit to policies that shut down “non-essential” businesses — which they concluded could bring down COVID death rates by as much as 10 per cent. The study noted that this was “likely to be related to the closure of bars.” Maybe we should study how to shut down only bars and restaurants more often and compensate the workers enough that they are utterly willing to take the unemployment compensation offered because it compares well with what they'd be making if the businesses stayed open with far fewer customers.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 3, 2022 13:39:10 GMT -5
So lemme get this straight. This is a meta analysis which ignored the largest, most comprehensive study of the effect of lockdowns IN NATURE, one of the most prestigious journals out there? Think maybe they were cherry picking studies for the meta analysis? Big hint…..meta analyses aren’t done that way. This statement was most alarming…. Unlike much of the media-cited research on COVID-19 thus far, the new Johns Hopkins paper is by economists rather than by epidemiologists. Lead author Steve Hanke is a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute and a contributor to the right-leaning National Review.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 3, 2022 13:50:55 GMT -5
Jerseygirl, in light of what pulmonary and mich point out, and what you claim your background is, it's pretty bad that you would spread these studies as legitimate.
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Post by haapai on Feb 3, 2022 13:53:14 GMT -5
Maybe she's inoculating us against their effect. I give her props for also linking to a critical reaction.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 3, 2022 14:00:48 GMT -5
Jerseygirl, in light of what pulmonary and mich point out, and what you claim your background is, it's pretty bad that you would spread these studies as legitimate. Legitimate??! I posted the article REBUTTING the paper!! The JHU study is out on the news and being discussed so I posted not JUST the preprinted study but the arguments about it!!
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 3, 2022 14:16:04 GMT -5
Without any sort of prospective on the study. No opinion on it? The rebuttals never get the same emphasis. If you understand the paper and it’s faults, why not give your critique? Unless you wanted to make some political points
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 3, 2022 14:17:03 GMT -5
Jerseygirl, in light of what pulmonary and mich point out, and what you claim your background is, it's pretty bad that you would spread these studies as legitimate. Legitimate??! I posted the article REBUTTING the paper!! The JHU study is out on the news and being discussed so I posted not JUST the preprinted study but the arguments about it!! Ah, I see. Why even bring it up then? ETA: sorry, I've been so busy lately I'm stuck in get-to-the-point mode, but I see now you're just trying to make conversation, I guess.
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Post by haapai on Feb 3, 2022 14:38:19 GMT -5
I was a little surprised by the Oxford scientist in the criticism was suggesting such a short lag between infections and deaths --two to three weeks. While that may be an accurate description of the average time between infection and death it sure doesn't account for the reporting delays that many US states have. In my own state, delayed reporting of new cases results in hospitalizations falling before new cases fall and deaths being included in public data weeks after they occur.
I don't think that Brit understood how lousy our data collection systems are in the US. If a physician can make a mistake like that, just imagine what kind of mistaken assumptions the economists could be making.
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Post by swamp on Feb 3, 2022 15:20:55 GMT -5
I am not a medical worker nor do I play one on TV, but if someone is on a vent I'm going to guess that they wouldn't be able to ingest anything by mouth. If something was slipped into an IV I'd bet it would be pretty apparent as they're checked on periodically. And if someone was on a vent would they really know what is going on? My grandpa died in 2010 of pneumonia and was on a vent and he was pretty sedated. My money is on a topical cream. That should cure a respiratory disease right? No. It’s essential oils, duh.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 3, 2022 15:33:12 GMT -5
Remember the cousin's husband who was on a vent? This is paraphrasing what he wrote on FB yesterday. He tested positive while they were in Iowa for Christmas. That means he exposed his in-laws who are over 65 at a minimum. They then drove home to North Carolina, exposing people along the way. He was sick enough that he doesn't remember being taken by ambulance to the hospital. He doesn't think the sedation and vent were necessary. He didn't start to improve until his wife, though connections, got a hold of some "alternative" treatments and began treating him with them. They didn't tell the medical team. That is when he started to improve "drastically" every day and that is the treatment he recommends for others. I guess this is the reason they have never thanked the medical team or any of the treatment he received at the hospital. What to doctors know? So, if hospitals do no good, why was he even taken to the hospital? Yes, I believe in God, but I also believe God sends help through medical care. Not "magic potions". His wife thought he was going to die so she called an ambulance. None of this makes sense. I don't even know if it supposed to.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 3, 2022 15:36:01 GMT -5
So, if hospitals do no good, why was he even taken to the hospital? Yes, I believe in God, but I also believe God sends help through medical care. Not "magic potions". His wife thought he was going to die so she called an ambulance. None of this makes sense. I don't even know if it supposed to. They really need to draw us a flow chart so we can see in real time the mental gymnastics it takes to achieve their thought process on illness.
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 3, 2022 15:37:40 GMT -5
His wife thought he was going to die so she called an ambulance. None of this makes sense. I don't even know if it supposed to. They really need to draw us a flow chart so we can see in real time the mental gymnastics it takes to achieve their thought process on illness. And get him vaccinated in case he's not so lucky next time. Though I doubt that will happen.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 3, 2022 15:38:41 GMT -5
They really need to draw us a flow chart so we can see in real time the mental gymnastics it takes to achieve their thought process on illness. And get him vaccinated in case he's not so lucky next time. He has a miracle cure he doesn't need a vaccine.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 3, 2022 15:41:32 GMT -5
They really need to draw us a flow chart so we can see in real time the mental gymnastics it takes to achieve their thought process on illness. And get him vaccinated in case he's not so lucky next time. Though I doubt that will happen. He got rejected from inpatient rehab because she isn't vaccinated and she won't get vaccinated. Since she wouldn't be able to visit, they decided to do in home rehab. I wanted to scream because he says the drive from Iowa to North Carolina wore him out and that is why he got so sick. I'm not a doctor but I do know that Covid is totally exhausting. Yes the drive was a stupid decision but that is not the reason he got so sick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 16:21:50 GMT -5
And get him vaccinated in case he's not so lucky next time. Though I doubt that will happen. He got rejected from inpatient rehab because she isn't vaccinated and she won't get vaccinated. Since she wouldn't be able to visit, they decided to do in home rehab. I wanted to scream because he says the drive from Iowa to North Carolina wore him out and that is why he got so sick. I'm not a doctor but I do know that Covid is totally exhausting. Yes the drive was a stupid decision but that is not the reason he got so sick. I am sorry your family has to deal with this level of crazy. And truly sorry for all the man's caregivers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 16:29:44 GMT -5
Even some vaccinated folks still show incredible moments of stupidity. An octogenarian neighbor refused her physician's advice to get her Pfizer booster at 5 months versus 6 and is telling everyone within earshot - not too many of those because folks run when they see her coming - that they should not vaccinate their kids under 6 when the CDC approves it. You know, the vaccine is just too rushed and no one knows the long-term effects. While that's true, I see the short-term effects of hospitalized children in our local health system.
She told me yesterday that she was so lucky because her friend's 2-year old is shy and would let her pick her up and hold her last week. Yup, now the kid, her mom and her aunt are all down with it.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 3, 2022 17:26:36 GMT -5
Now you’re resorting to personal attacks? I lost a brother to this. But why would you care? And this is the first that I have heard about losing your brother.
If you want to talk about this more, or use your bro as a bloody shirt, I'm gonna have to ask you some questions regarding his vaccination status and preexisting conditions.
I expect you to avoid and evade even the most basic questions such as how old your brother was and when he died.
Please give me some reason to believe in humanity by proving me wrong. This is such an easy test to pass. I'm not even asking you if he was diabetic or hypertensive, obese, or immune-supressed. All that I am asking is approximately how old he was and when he died. Can you even do that? Or is owning us much more important than facts?
You really need to work on your reading comprehension. My mother was punched in the stomach when she was eight months pregnant. This happened when she was working as a nurse. My brother did not survive. Many of my mothers coworkers were also assaulted at work. It’s not something that happens every day, but it was never a hugely rare thing either. I can only imagine it’s gotten worse since my mother’s time. After telling pulmanory that I think people who assault nurses should be charged with assault rather than being given a free pass, he accused me of not caring about the fact that nurses are being assaulted at work. Because it wasn’t enough that I agreed with him that it was a problem and needs to be dealt with more harshly than it has been in the past.
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Post by gs11rmb on Feb 3, 2022 17:51:45 GMT -5
What a terrible thing to have happened to your mother and family formerroomate99. I'm very sorry.
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