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Post by stillmovingforward on Jan 29, 2022 18:04:06 GMT -5
happyhoix - I agree with you. Let him suffer at home without pay or use all his sick leave and vacation. I'm mean that way. My company went the 'vaccinate or be fired' route. Only 1 person in 60 was fired and we were glad of it for other reasons (he wasn't the best employee).
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 29, 2022 19:01:47 GMT -5
My MIL of numerous health issues and surgeries has COVID. She's vaccinated and boosted but guess who had surgery yet again a mere 24 hours ago?
She was taken to the hospital and will be in ICU at least a week.
Unvaccinated SIL was down there to help. DH was cleaning MILS room and she asked if he should be in there.
He said it's fine he's boosted and she took that as an opportunity to go on a rant.
He handled it better than I would have. I would have gotten in her face and told her it's people like you that are prolonging this and putting MIL at the most risk.
So fuck your antvax attitu
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 31, 2022 16:20:03 GMT -5
Just a tweet I came across re: would-be transplant patients refusing to get vaxed
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Post by Opti on Feb 1, 2022 10:33:25 GMT -5
Had to change radio stations. The informational R leading one, just broadcast a stupid. "Democrats are more afraid" ... and something about being free from government. x 3 No. I've worked during the pandemic up close and personal. I'd like to be alive when it eases out of pandemic stage to yet another minor health concern stage. Government does not even enter into the equation for me. I'm not part of a group that gets terrified of the dressing of Minnie Mouse and the Green M&M.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 1, 2022 10:48:52 GMT -5
Just a tweet I came across re: would-be transplant patients refusing to get vaxed Yeah I really don't get that at all. What do you think is going to happen, you die and Jesus meets you at the gates to personally thank you for standing up for truth, justice and the American way? That you'll get a VIP seat at the table where you think Trump will eventually sit in heaven? I don't get it. Though I don't get how you would be willing to drink poison to go meet the aliens behind the comet either. It's the same mentality. I wonder how their loved ones feel about this. Are they just as delusional or are they stuck going along for the ride?
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 1, 2022 13:40:29 GMT -5
I wonder how their loved ones feel about this. Are they just as delusional or are they stuck going along for the ride?I think so. 2nd cousin's husband came home yesterday after a month in the hospital. No residential rehabilitation facility would take him because she won't get vaxxed. There is video of the welcome home at the house. Lots of people giving him hugs and no masks. Yes it was indoors. These people deserve what they get. The family has yet to thank the health care workers or the hospital for the work they did to save his life. Only God and prayer have been thanked for getting Satan out of his body. I do not understand and never will.
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Post by dannylion on Feb 1, 2022 14:33:55 GMT -5
Whatever reason fuels the irrational refusal to accept a lifesaving vaccine is probably not something rational people would understand. I have decided that it has to involve profound fear or equally profound ignorance (possibly both) that has overwhelmed whatever capacity for reason they might have possessed. There is also the cohort who probably believes that refusing the vaccine makes them look like "real men."
I understand that there are folks for whom the idea of needles is so terrifying that they avoid much-needed medical care, so possibly some are refusing the vaccine for that reason. I read recently that a nasal COVID vaccine is being developed, so if that proves to be successful and becomes available, I hope it will mean that those people will then agree to be vaccinated.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 1, 2022 15:46:48 GMT -5
Just a tweet I came across re: would-be transplant patients refusing to get vaxed Yeah I really don't get that at all. What do you think is going to happen, you die and Jesus meets you at the gates to personally thank you for standing up for truth, justice and the American way? That you'll get a VIP seat at the table where you think Trump will eventually sit in heaven? I don't get it. Though I don't get how you would be willing to drink poison to go meet the aliens behind the comet either. It's the same mentality. I wonder how their loved ones feel about this. Are they just as delusional or are they stuck going along for the ride? I may be going straight. to hell for this, irishpad may want to chime in, but I seem to remember something about "love thy neighbor" from religious classes long ago. So I imagine it is more like St. Peter standing at the Pearly Gates and asking new arrivals whether they masked up and for their proof of vaccination. The lack of either is proof that they did not live according to the rules of "good Christians". If they were otherwise good people they will get send to purgatory (eternity with parole) until their germs are burned off. If not, it is straight to hell with them. And for the record: my October Fest tents that I put up there a few years ago require proof of vaccination for entry ETA: that would make hell eternity without parole AND without a nice cool beer to pass the time...
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Post by Opti on Feb 1, 2022 16:23:25 GMT -5
Just a tweet I came across re: would-be transplant patients refusing to get vaxed Yeah I really don't get that at all. What do you think is going to happen, you die and Jesus meets you at the gates to personally thank you for standing up for truth, justice and the American way? That you'll get a VIP seat at the table where you think Trump will eventually sit in heaven? I don't get it. Though I don't get how you would be willing to drink poison to go meet the aliens behind the comet either. It's the same mentality. I wonder how their loved ones feel about this. Are they just as delusional or are they stuck going along for the ride? I did a comparative religions course in HS. I look at religion somewhat like some people look at unified string theory. I also know my limits.
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Post by gs11rmb on Feb 1, 2022 16:23:34 GMT -5
Whatever reason fuels the irrational refusal to accept a lifesaving vaccine is probably not something rational people would understand. I have decided that it has to involve profound fear or equally profound ignorance (possibly both) that has overwhelmed whatever capacity for reason they might have possessed. There is also the cohort who probably believes that refusing the vaccine makes them look like "real men." I understand that there are folks for whom the idea of needles is so terrifying that they avoid much-needed medical care, so possibly some are refusing the vaccine for that reason. I read recently that a nasal COVID vaccine is being developed, so if that proves to be successful and becomes available, I hope it will mean that those people will then agree to be vaccinated. On the family WhatsApp chat this morning I learned that my cousin got vaccinated today. She's phobic about needles. Not simply afraid but panic-attack, passing-out level fear. She spent months in therapy preparing for this day. She said "one down one to go". We're all really proud of her!
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Post by Opti on Feb 1, 2022 16:26:57 GMT -5
BTW, I am quite certain I will not be going to hell. My fave clapback years ago re: Hell was You're going to surprised when you get there, and don't see me. (Many ministers and such in my lineage)
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 2, 2022 11:40:54 GMT -5
In my circle of family and friends, the people who aren’t getting vaccinated are the same people who choose to be obese, choose not to give their children normal childhood vaccines, choose not to exercise, or choose not to control their blood pressure because they know better than their doctor. I could’ve told you 10 years ago who was and was not going to get vaccinated.
Back in the 80s, long before you could blame Trump and Fox News for everything you didn’t like in the world, my mother worked in cardiac care unit that was had its share of cantankerous people who were there because they flat out refused to take care of their health. These people were often ungrateful or downright abusive to the nursing staff.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 2, 2022 13:27:33 GMT -5
In my circle of family and friends, the people who aren’t getting vaccinated are the same people who choose to be obese, choose not to give their children normal childhood vaccines, choose not to exercise, or choose not to control their blood pressure because they know better than their doctor. I could’ve told you 10 years ago who was and was not going to get vaccinated. Back in the 80s, long before you could blame Trump and Fox News for everything you didn’t like in the world, my mother worked in cardiac care unit that was had its share of cantankerous people who were there because they flat out refused to take care of their health. These people were often ungrateful or downright abusive to the nursing staff. And this is relevant how? People have always been bad about taking care of themselves. Smoking, drinking, eating poorly. Part of the human condition. This is different. It has been made into a political issue by the Republican Party, Trump, and religious leaders. You conveniently ignore that repeatedly. All the issues you outlined also decrease with educational level as well as income. The counties with the highest vaccination rates predominantly voted for Biden. The counties with the lowest vaccination rates predominantly voted for Trump. SMoking, obesity, diabetes rates are higher in areas that trend republican. Life expectancy is lowest in the areas that are predominantly republican. Per capita income in lowest in areas that are predominantly republican. And vaccination rates are lowest in areas that are predominantly republican. See the pattern? These maps also closely align with states that are at the bottom of education metrics. Almost as if you must be stupid to vote republican.
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Post by Opti on Feb 2, 2022 13:32:30 GMT -5
had its share of cantankerous people who were there because they flat out refused to take care of their health. These people were often ungrateful or downright abusive to the nursing staff.
They existed after the 80s and b4 the 80s. So? Why don't you crow about Utah's new law involving assaults' against nurses?
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In my circle of family and friends, the people who aren’t getting vaccinated are the same people who choose to be obese, choose not to give their children normal childhood vaccines, choose not to exercise, or choose not to control their blood pressure because they know better than their doctor. I could’ve told you 10 years ago who was and was not going to get vaccinated. Back in the 80s, long before you could blame Trump and Fox News for everything you didn’t like in the world, my mother worked in cardiac care unit that was had its share of cantankerous people who were there because they flat out refused to take care of their health. These people were often ungrateful or downright abusive to the nursing staff. And this is relevant how? People have always been bad about taking care of themselves. Smoking, drinking, eating poorly. Part of the human condition. This is different. It has been made into a political issue by the Republican Party, Trump, and religious leaders. You conveniently ignore that repeatedly. All the issues you outlined also decrease with educational level as well as income. The counties with the highest vaccination rates predominantly voted for Biden. The counties with the lowest vaccination rates predominantly voted for Trump. SMoking, obesity, diabetes rates are higher in areas that trend republican. Life expectancy is lowest in the areas that are predominantly republican. Per capita income in lowest in areas that are predominantly republican. And vaccination rates are lowest in areas that are predominantly republican. See the pattern? These maps also closely align with states that are at the bottom of education metrics. Almost as if you must be stupid to vote republican. You just went way higher on my adoration meter.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 2, 2022 19:42:12 GMT -5
In my circle of family and friends, the people who aren’t getting vaccinated are the same people who choose to be obese, choose not to give their children normal childhood vaccines, choose not to exercise, or choose not to control their blood pressure because they know better than their doctor. I could’ve told you 10 years ago who was and was not going to get vaccinated. Back in the 80s, long before you could blame Trump and Fox News for everything you didn’t like in the world, my mother worked in cardiac care unit that was had its share of cantankerous people who were there because they flat out refused to take care of their health. These people were often ungrateful or downright abusive to the nursing staff. And this is relevant how? People have always been bad about taking care of themselves. Smoking, drinking, eating poorly. Part of the human condition. This is different. It has been made into a political issue by the Republican Party, Trump, and religious leaders. You conveniently ignore that repeatedly. All the issues you outlined also decrease with educational level as well as income. The counties with the highest vaccination rates predominantly voted for Biden. The counties with the lowest vaccination rates predominantly voted for Trump. SMoking, obesity, diabetes rates are higher in areas that trend republican. Life expectancy is lowest in the areas that are predominantly republican. Per capita income in lowest in areas that are predominantly republican. And vaccination rates are lowest in areas that are predominantly republican. See the pattern? These maps also closely align with states that are at the bottom of education metrics. Almost as if you must be stupid to vote republican. And yet African-Americans, a group that votes Democrat over 90% of the time, still have vaccination rates that lag behind white people, half of whom are those stupid vaccine hesitant Republicans you’re talking about. The same thing can be said about age. Younger people, who are most likely to be voting Democrat, are also the least likely to be vaccinated. This information is readily available on the CDC website, and you know it. Pointing your finger at someone you don’t like in the first place, while pretending the same behavior doesn’t exist in groups that you do like is a fun way to score political points, and is not a big deal on a forum like this. So have at it, I guess.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 2, 2022 19:50:45 GMT -5
And this is relevant how? People have always been bad about taking care of themselves. Smoking, drinking, eating poorly. Part of the human condition. This is different. It has been made into a political issue by the Republican Party, Trump, and religious leaders. You conveniently ignore that repeatedly. All the issues you outlined also decrease with educational level as well as income. The counties with the highest vaccination rates predominantly voted for Biden. The counties with the lowest vaccination rates predominantly voted for Trump. SMoking, obesity, diabetes rates are higher in areas that trend republican. Life expectancy is lowest in the areas that are predominantly republican. Per capita income in lowest in areas that are predominantly republican. And vaccination rates are lowest in areas that are predominantly republican. See the pattern? These maps also closely align with states that are at the bottom of education metrics. Almost as if you must be stupid to vote republican. And yet African-Americans, a group that votes Democrat over 90% of the time, still have vaccination rates that lag behind white people, half of whom are those stupid vaccine hesitant Republicans you’re talking about. The same thing can be said about age. Younger people, who are most likely to be voting Democrat, are also the least likely to be vaccinated. This information is readily available on the CDC website, and you know it. Pointing your finger at someone you don’t like in the first place, while pretending the same behavior doesn’t exist in groups that you do like is a fun way to score political points, and is not a big deal on a forum like this. So have at it, I guess. You still refuse to accept that conservatives have lower vaccination rates and higher mortality rates. You see what you want to see. You are unable to look beyond your preconceived notions. If you superimpose vaccination rates on the election results you get a very good correlation. You live in as homogeneous a place in the US as their is. Your inability to see outside of that is astounding. You also like to point out how wonderful conservative places are. Yet, if you look at places that are consistently Republican, they lag in every health and education metric. Life expectancy in MS, for example, is about 9 years less than HI. Before you bring race into it, the life expectancy for whites has a similar lag. Tell me where this conservative utopia is. I will criticize anyone who does not follow science. However, only one group is doing it for political reasons based on disinformation from right wing media and politicians. Yet you refuse to criticize, let alone recognize it in any of your posts
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 2, 2022 20:39:00 GMT -5
had its share of cantankerous people who were there because they flat out refused to take care of their health. These people were often ungrateful or downright abusive to the nursing staff.
They existed after the 80s and b4 the 80s. So? Why don't you crow about Utah's new law involving assaults' against nurses? Because I didn’t know about it and frankly I don’t see why it’s necessary. Assault is assault. They need to start enforcing the laws that are on the books. The guy who punched my mother in the stomach when she was eight months pregnant never faced any consequences either. Breathlessly reporting about nurses in the Covid ward being assaulted by unvaccinated patients is gonna generate a hell of a lot more clicks than reporting the fact that patients have been punching nurses ever since there were nurses.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 2, 2022 20:59:52 GMT -5
had its share of cantankerous people who were there because they flat out refused to take care of their health. These people were often ungrateful or downright abusive to the nursing staff.
They existed after the 80s and b4 the 80s. So? Why don't you crow about Utah's new law involving assaults' against nurses? Because I didn’t know about it and frankly I don’t see why it’s necessary. Assault is assault. They need to start enforcing the laws that are on the books. The guy who punched my mother in the stomach when she was eight months pregnant never faced any consequences either. Breathlessly reporting about nurses in the Covid ward being assaulted by unvaccinated patients is gonna generate a hell of a lot more clicks than reporting the fact that patients have been punching nurses ever since there were nurses. It has gotten worse. But why would you care
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 2, 2022 21:21:04 GMT -5
And yet African-Americans, a group that votes Democrat over 90% of the time, still have vaccination rates that lag behind white people, half of whom are those stupid vaccine hesitant Republicans you’re talking about. The same thing can be said about age. Younger people, who are most likely to be voting Democrat, are also the least likely to be vaccinated. This information is readily available on the CDC website, and you know it. Pointing your finger at someone you don’t like in the first place, while pretending the same behavior doesn’t exist in groups that you do like is a fun way to score political points, and is not a big deal on a forum like this. So have at it, I guess. You still refuse to accept that conservatives have lower vaccination rates and higher mortality rates. You see what you want to see. You are unable to look beyond your preconceived notions. If you superimpose vaccination rates on the election results you get a very good correlation. You live in as homogeneous a place in the US as their is. Your inability to see outside of that is astounding. You also like to point out how wonderful conservative places are. Yet, if you look at places that are consistently Republican, they lag in every health and education metric. Life expectancy in MS, for example, is about 9 years less than HI. Before you bring race into it, the life expectancy for whites has a similar lag. Tell me where this conservative utopia is. I will criticize anyone who does not follow science. However, only one group is doing it for political reasons based on disinformation from right wing media and politicians. Yet you refuse to criticize, let alone recognize it in any of your posts Pulmonary, do you think African-Americans, who have low educational attainment rates, high obesity rates due to poor diet, and lower life expectancies are ending up that way because they’re stupid and deserve what they get? Or do you think it could be because they are poor and they live in an area with failing schools, few opportunities, and incompetent local government, just like people in places like Mississippi? I never said that all conservative places were paradises with competent government and you know it. I said that the particular conservative place where I live has competent government. And one of the main reasons things are so great here is because the government is not going to reject an idea just because it happens to come from the other side of the aisle and will go against a sitting republican president when he says something stupid. We’ve had numerous discussions about this. When other posters at complained about how their conservative states were doing something spectacularly stupid, I didn’t tell them they were making it up. I said I felt bad for them.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 2, 2022 21:30:22 GMT -5
Because I didn’t know about it and frankly I don’t see why it’s necessary. Assault is assault. They need to start enforcing the laws that are on the books. The guy who punched my mother in the stomach when she was eight months pregnant never faced any consequences either. Breathlessly reporting about nurses in the Covid ward being assaulted by unvaccinated patients is gonna generate a hell of a lot more clicks than reporting the fact that patients have been punching nurses ever since there were nurses. It has gotten worse. But why would you care Now you’re resorting to personal attacks? I lost a brother to this. But why would you care?
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Post by Opti on Feb 2, 2022 21:49:42 GMT -5
had its share of cantankerous people who were there because they flat out refused to take care of their health. These people were often ungrateful or downright abusive to the nursing staff.
They existed after the 80s and b4 the 80s. So? Why don't you crow about Utah's new law involving assaults' against nurses? Because I didn’t know about it and frankly I don’t see why it’s necessary. Assault is assault. They need to start enforcing the laws that are on the books. The guy who punched my mother in the stomach when she was eight months pregnant never faced any consequences either. Breathlessly reporting about nurses in the Covid ward being assaulted by unvaccinated patients is gonna generate a hell of a lot more clicks than reporting the fact that patients have been punching nurses ever since there were nurses. I think its necessary and it would be nice if regular assault laws are beefed up as well. Too many people become unable to work because of assault. Sorry to hear about your mom's experience. People in healthcare are being assaulted in rising rates because of the pandemic. Lots of anger and you know its not just unvaccinated patients. Its patients, family members ... I think other healthcare workers need protection as well.
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Post by haapai on Feb 2, 2022 21:57:12 GMT -5
It has gotten worse. But why would you care Now you’re resorting to personal attacks? I lost a brother to this. But why would you care? And this is the first that I have heard about losing your brother.
If you want to talk about this more, or use your bro as a bloody shirt, I'm gonna have to ask you some questions regarding his vaccination status and preexisting conditions.
I expect you to avoid and evade even the most basic questions such as how old your brother was and when he died.
Please give me some reason to believe in humanity by proving me wrong. This is such an easy test to pass. I'm not even asking you if he was diabetic or hypertensive, obese, or immune-supressed. All that I am asking is approximately how old he was and when he died. Can you even do that? Or is owning us much more important than facts?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 2, 2022 22:03:40 GMT -5
It has gotten worse. But why would you care Now you’re resorting to personal attacks? I lost a brother to this. But why would you care? I have been caring for people this entire pandemic. Put my own health at risk for 2 years. Have seen patients in person since the very beginning. Go into the rooms with the patients regularly. Take care of these people, even when the patients and their families are nasty and threatening to us, demand unreasonable treatments, tell us we do not know what we are doing, and accuse us of doing this for money. It has gotten progressively worse with each surge. Now the ones who are getting sick are the unreasonable ones. You have the gall to accuse me of not caring. Tell me what you have sacrificed during this. I am sure you done so much more than us in healthcare
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 2, 2022 22:09:05 GMT -5
You still refuse to accept that conservatives have lower vaccination rates and higher mortality rates. You see what you want to see. You are unable to look beyond your preconceived notions. If you superimpose vaccination rates on the election results you get a very good correlation. You live in as homogeneous a place in the US as their is. Your inability to see outside of that is astounding. You also like to point out how wonderful conservative places are. Yet, if you look at places that are consistently Republican, they lag in every health and education metric. Life expectancy in MS, for example, is about 9 years less than HI. Before you bring race into it, the life expectancy for whites has a similar lag. Tell me where this conservative utopia is. I will criticize anyone who does not follow science. However, only one group is doing it for political reasons based on disinformation from right wing media and politicians. Yet you refuse to criticize, let alone recognize it in any of your posts Pulmonary, do you think African-Americans, who have low educational attainment rates, high obesity rates due to poor diet, and lower life expectancies are ending up that way because they’re stupid and deserve what they get? Or do you think it could be because they are poor and they live in an area with failing schools, few opportunities, and incompetent local government, just like people in places like Mississippi? I never said that all conservative places were paradises with competent government and you know it. I said that the particular conservative place where I live has competent government. And one of the main reasons things are so great here is because the government is not going to reject an idea just because it happens to come from the other side of the aisle and will go against a sitting republican president when he says something stupid. We’ve had numerous discussions about this. When other posters at complained about how their conservative states were doing something spectacularly stupid, I didn’t tell them they were making it up. I said I felt bad for them. Can you even do nuance. Can you put yourself in someone else’s shoes and understand the obstacles that have been put in their way? With everything that conservatives are doing to make life more difficult for minorities now, you think that the areas with failing schools are their fault? These issues are difficult and long-standing. But that requires critical thinking and empathy. Again, Republican politicians and Fox News are actively doing things to prolong this pandemic, and they are getting people killed. Yet you prefer to punch down instead. One reason Utah is different from other conservative areas has to do with the homogeneity of the population and the religious makeup of the state. It is not something you will acknowledge either
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 2, 2022 23:34:26 GMT -5
Aaaaaaand DSIL had Covid now. He said this morning that he is actually excited because that means he gets at least 5 days off IN A ROW while he recovers. Work can't call him in, he's too sick to do anything around the house, and he won't/ can't go anywhere. All he can do is sleep. Poor guy. He got pretty far into this pandemic before he finally got it. He thinks he picked it up during one of his last days working in ICU. And he has reported 4 physical altercations with patients in the past 4 months. One was pretty bad.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 2, 2022 23:46:46 GMT -5
Aaaaaaand DSIL had Covid now. He said this morning that he is actually excited because that means he gets at least 5 days off IN A ROW while he recovers. Work can't call him in, he's too sick to do anything around the house, and he won't/ can't go anywhere. All he can do is sleep. Poor guy. He got pretty far into this pandemic before he finally got it. He thinks he picked it up during one of his last days working in ICU. And he has reported 4 physical altercations with patients in the past 4 months. One was pretty bad. I hope he has a mild case and can enjoy his 5 days of rest.
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azucena
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Joined: Jan 17, 2011 13:23:14 GMT -5
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Post by azucena on Feb 3, 2022 7:43:39 GMT -5
Pulmonary - don't waste your time, energy, and sanity.
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