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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 3, 2022 17:58:43 GMT -5
soupandstew said "I am sorry your family has to deal with this level of crazy. And truly sorry for all the man's caregivers. " I feel the worst for the caregivers. I have more family members who think just like them and they wonder why I won't visit.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 3, 2022 18:00:16 GMT -5
Even some vaccinated folks still show incredible moments of stupidity. An octogenarian neighbor refused her physician's advice to get her Pfizer booster at 5 months versus 6 and is telling everyone within earshot - not too many of those because folks run when they see her coming - that they should not vaccinate their kids under 6 when the CDC approves it. You know, the vaccine is just too rushed and no one knows the long-term effects. While that's true, I see the short-term effects of hospitalized children in our local health system. She told me yesterday that she was so lucky because her friend's 2-year old is shy and would let her pick her up and hold her last week. Yup, now the kid, her mom and her aunt are all down with it. I believe that is 5 and under but it brings up an interesting question that I would like Mich and pulmonarymd's opinion on. Germany generally lags behind by about two months with their approvals. So if the CDC approves this for the under five crowd by March it will be May at the earliest before approval over there. I looked at the dosages and for the 5-12 crowd they use 2 shots of 10 mg. For the under 5 group the plan is 3 shots of 3mg. Now DGS2 will turn 5 June 26th. So my question is what would you do under these circumstances? Go for the lower dose shots asap or wait a few weeks and get the higher dosage (no age related cheating over there - they just won't do it)
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 3, 2022 18:07:00 GMT -5
DN1 and his wife are planning on taking the Toddler to either Buffalo or have the vaccine in Toronto. Wherever they can get it first is where they will go.
The reason DN1 wanted a US ID was because for their booster, the drug store didn't want to take his passport as his ID. Now he has a US state issued ID, not a driver's license. Canada confiscated his driver's license when it expired and he got one there. His wife's hasn't expired but they know the same thing will happen and she will have to get the state issued ID here.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 3, 2022 18:27:19 GMT -5
And this is the first that I have heard about losing your brother.
If you want to talk about this more, or use your bro as a bloody shirt, I'm gonna have to ask you some questions regarding his vaccination status and preexisting conditions.
I expect you to avoid and evade even the most basic questions such as how old your brother was and when he died.
Please give me some reason to believe in humanity by proving me wrong. This is such an easy test to pass. I'm not even asking you if he was diabetic or hypertensive, obese, or immune-supressed. All that I am asking is approximately how old he was and when he died. Can you even do that? Or is owning us much more important than facts?
You really need to work on your reading comprehension. My mother was punched in the stomach when she was eight months pregnant. This happened when she was working as a nurse. My brother did not survive. Many of my mothers coworkers were also assaulted at work. It’s not something that happens every day, but it was never a hugely rare thing either. I can only imagine it’s gotten worse since my mother’s time. After telling pulmanory that I think people who assault nurses should be charged with assault rather than being given a free pass, he accused me of not caring about the fact that nurses are being assaulted at work. Because it wasn’t enough that I agreed with him that it was a problem and needs to be dealt with more harshly than it has been in the past. No, my issue is that you do not acknowledge how the Covid deniers are making it worse. We get threatened at least weekly if not more
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 3, 2022 18:36:55 GMT -5
I am not a medical worker nor do I play one on TV, but if someone is on a vent I'm going to guess that they wouldn't be able to ingest anything by mouth. If something was slipped into an IV I'd bet it would be pretty apparent as they're checked on periodically. And if someone was on a vent would they really know what is going on? My grandpa died in 2010 of pneumonia and was on a vent and he was pretty sedated. My money is on a topical cream. That should cure a respiratory disease right? There are videos on YouTube teaching you how to make your own Ivermectin. Terrifying thought. In my old hometown, I have a string of friends and relatives who have been either maimed or killed because the rather brutal HMO that is dominant in the area won’t let the doctors do pretty run-of-the-mill diagnostic tests and treatments. I hear people from there talking about “those doctors”, but it isn’t the doctors fault that they were being forced to work blind with one hand tied behind their backs.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 3, 2022 18:41:02 GMT -5
What a terrible thing to have happened to your mother and family formerroomate99. I'm very sorry. Thank you.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 3, 2022 18:45:52 GMT -5
My money is on a topical cream. That should cure a respiratory disease right? There are videos on YouTube teaching you how to make your own Ivermectin. Terrifying thought. In my old hometown, I have a string of friends and relatives who have been either maimed or killed because the rather brutal HMO that is dominant in the area won’t let the doctors do pretty run-of-the-mill diagnostic tests and treatments. I hear people from there talking about “those doctors”, but it isn’t the doctors fault that they were being forced to work blind with one hand tied behind their backs. I have two tubes of it in my kitchen cupboard if anyone is interested. Each treats up to 1200 pounds.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 3, 2022 18:54:01 GMT -5
Even some vaccinated folks still show incredible moments of stupidity. An octogenarian neighbor refused her physician's advice to get her Pfizer booster at 5 months versus 6 and is telling everyone within earshot - not too many of those because folks run when they see her coming - that they should not vaccinate their kids under 6 when the CDC approves it. You know, the vaccine is just too rushed and no one knows the long-term effects. While that's true, I see the short-term effects of hospitalized children in our local health system. She told me yesterday that she was so lucky because her friend's 2-year old is shy and would let her pick her up and hold her last week. Yup, now the kid, her mom and her aunt are all down with it. I believe that is 5 and under but it brings up an interesting question that I would like Mich and pulmonarymd's opinion on. Germany generally lags behind by about two months with their approvals. So if the CDC approves this for the under five crowd by March it will be May at the earliest before approval over there. I looked at the dosages and for the 5-12 crowd they use 2 shots of 10 mg. For the under 5 group the plan is 3 shots of 3mg. Now DGS2 will turn 5 June 26th. So my question is what would you do under these circumstances? Go for the lower dose shots asap or wait a few weeks and get the higher dosage (no age related cheating over there - they just won't do it) I would do sooner. You get some immunity faster, offering some protection, rather than wait to get the higher dose
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Post by tractor on Feb 3, 2022 19:12:02 GMT -5
I have a question. When someone is in the ICU and on a ventilator, etc, are they given a vaccine? I mean at that point if all other medical care is on the table, can't the medical staff just go ahead and give the patient a shot? Or is special permission still required?
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 3, 2022 19:12:29 GMT -5
I believe that is 5 and under but it brings up an interesting question that I would like Mich and pulmonarymd 's opinion on. Germany generally lags behind by about two months with their approvals. So if the CDC approves this for the under five crowd by March it will be May at the earliest before approval over there. I looked at the dosages and for the 5-12 crowd they use 2 shots of 10 mg. For the under 5 group the plan is 3 shots of 3mg. Now DGS2 will turn 5 June 26th. So my question is what would you do under these circumstances? Go for the lower dose shots asap or wait a few weeks and get the higher dosage (no age related cheating over there - they just won't do it) I would do sooner. You get some immunity faster, offering some protection, rather than wait to get the higher dose Thanks. As the oma (grandmother) I am not the decision maker. My gut instinct would have been to wait as the full protection would be less than 2 weeks later due to the 2 v.3 shot difference. Now I will not worry at all no matter which direction the parents choose to go. But the one thing I DO know for sure is that the little guy will get his shots just like his now 8yo brother did the moment he was eligible. ETA: should the parents ask my opinion I will pass along your recommendation. Your knowledge v. my gut means you "win" - no contest
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 3, 2022 19:23:48 GMT -5
You really need to work on your reading comprehension. My mother was punched in the stomach when she was eight months pregnant. This happened when she was working as a nurse. My brother did not survive. Many of my mothers coworkers were also assaulted at work. It’s not something that happens every day, but it was never a hugely rare thing either. I can only imagine it’s gotten worse since my mother’s time. After telling pulmanory that I think people who assault nurses should be charged with assault rather than being given a free pass, he accused me of not caring about the fact that nurses are being assaulted at work. Because it wasn’t enough that I agreed with him that it was a problem and needs to be dealt with more harshly than it has been in the past. No, my issue is that you do not acknowledge how the Covid deniers are making it worse. We get threatened at least weekly if not more Oh I get it now. I did suspect that Covid made things worse. But every week wow. And the fact that it’s affecting you and not just the nurses must be pretty shocking too. I had a problem with some of the reporting, which seem to imply that this didn’t happened before Covid and Covid deniers were the only ones who did this. Having it implied that the thing that killed my brother 40+ years ago didn’t happen until now got under my skin a bit. Are any of these assholes being prosecuted? Because I would think Your area has laws on the books against threatening and hitting people.
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Post by swamp on Feb 3, 2022 19:41:39 GMT -5
There are videos on YouTube teaching you how to make your own Ivermectin. Terrifying thought. In my old hometown, I have a string of friends and relatives who have been either maimed or killed because the rather brutal HMO that is dominant in the area won’t let the doctors do pretty run-of-the-mill diagnostic tests and treatments. I hear people from there talking about “those doctors”, but it isn’t the doctors fault that they were being forced to work blind with one hand tied behind their backs. I have two tubes of it in my kitchen cupboard if anyone is interested. Each treats up to 1200 pounds. Are you calling me fat?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 19:46:33 GMT -5
There are videos on YouTube teaching you how to make your own Ivermectin. Terrifying thought. In my old hometown, I have a string of friends and relatives who have been either maimed or killed because the rather brutal HMO that is dominant in the area won’t let the doctors do pretty run-of-the-mill diagnostic tests and treatments. I hear people from there talking about “those doctors”, but it isn’t the doctors fault that they were being forced to work blind with one hand tied behind their backs. I have two tubes of it in my kitchen cupboard if anyone is interested. Each treats up to 1200 pounds. Apple flavored?
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Post by busymom on Feb 3, 2022 19:47:08 GMT -5
There are videos on YouTube teaching you how to make your own Ivermectin. Terrifying thought. In my old hometown, I have a string of friends and relatives who have been either maimed or killed because the rather brutal HMO that is dominant in the area won’t let the doctors do pretty run-of-the-mill diagnostic tests and treatments. I hear people from there talking about “those doctors”, but it isn’t the doctors fault that they were being forced to work blind with one hand tied behind their backs. I have two tubes of it in my kitchen cupboard if anyone is interested. Each treats up to 1200 pounds. I wouldn't expect any less, since you've been a horse owner. Have any neighbors requested to hit your stash?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 3, 2022 19:52:15 GMT -5
I have a question. When someone is in the ICU and on a ventilator, etc, are they given a vaccine? I mean at that point if all other medical care is on the table, can't the medical staff just go ahead and give the patient a shot? Or is special permission still required? People do not get vaccinated when they are acutely infected. It doesn’t work, and may cause additional issues
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 3, 2022 19:55:37 GMT -5
No, my issue is that you do not acknowledge how the Covid deniers are making it worse. We get threatened at least weekly if not more Oh I get it now. I did suspect that Covid made things worse. But every week wow. And the fact that it’s affecting you and not just the nurses must be pretty shocking too. I had a problem with some of the reporting, which seem to imply that this didn’t happened before Covid and Covid deniers were the only ones who did this. Having it implied that the thing that killed my brother 40+ years ago didn’t happen until now got under my skin a bit. Are any of these assholes being prosecuted? Because I would think Your area has laws on the books against threatening and hitting people. I have been assaulted. I have had people threaten to sue me and threaten physical harm. It is nothing new. But it is different now. Believe me or not, up to you. We called the police about the person who assaulted our nurse. But since she is a white women, I suspect it will be pleaded down, since she was distressed by her sisters impending death
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 3, 2022 21:37:28 GMT -5
I saw a question about a kid having a birthday between doses and turning 12. The answer given here was that the second dose would be the adult dose since the kid had aged into that bracket.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 4, 2022 4:34:12 GMT -5
We had a family, in the early days... who waited until the Grandpa was at deaths door with Covid before calling an ambulance...... When he eventually got to the Hospital, staff gave him an injection. He died fairly quickly after admission..... and the family then accused the Hospital of killing him with the injection. The same family who wouldn't take the vaccine..... which would have protected their Grandpa from themselves.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Feb 4, 2022 5:13:41 GMT -5
We had a family, in the early days... who waited until the Grandpa was at deaths door with Covid before calling an ambulance...... When he eventually got to the Hospital, staff gave him an injection. He died fairly quickly after admission..... and the family then accused the Hospital of killing him with the injection. The same family who wouldn't take the vaccine..... which would have protected their Grandpa from themselves. So was this family using grandpa to cash in on lawsuit grift?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 4, 2022 6:42:30 GMT -5
We had a family, in the early days... who waited until the Grandpa was at deaths door with Covid before calling an ambulance...... When he eventually got to the Hospital, staff gave him an injection. He died fairly quickly after admission..... and the family then accused the Hospital of killing him with the injection. The same family who wouldn't take the vaccine..... which would have protected their Grandpa from themselves. So was this family using grandpa to cash in on lawsuit grift? No there have been no lawsuits....... They wouldn't have a leg to stand on. They were just astonishingly ignorant, selfish and disrespectful.
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Post by dannylion on Feb 4, 2022 12:04:58 GMT -5
We had a family, in the early days... who waited until the Grandpa was at deaths door with Covid before calling an ambulance...... When he eventually got to the Hospital, staff gave him an injection. He died fairly quickly after admission..... and the family then accused the Hospital of killing him with the injection. The same family who wouldn't take the vaccine..... which would have protected their Grandpa from themselves. It is likely that the world will never be able to eliminate the "correlation equals causation" explanation for events. It is easy to make the connection between the events, requires little or no actual thought, requires no comprehension of the complex physiology, systems, history, related events, underlying comorbidities, how infection (or anything) happens and progresses, or really anything at all. It is easy. It can be embraced as "just common sense." It is the refuge of stupid people, the aggressively ignorant, and the intellectually lazy. Any attempt to provide the true cause using actual science, facts, or whatever is appropriate will be dismissed as lies because it is "obvious" that the misunderstood thing that happened immediately before the undesirable event was the cause of the undesirable event and any attempt to persuade them otherwise with science or truth or something else requiring thought, effort, education or really anything that is "too hard" will be vilified as part of the "conspiracy." This is why so many things are called "vaccine injuries." Get run over by a bus after having a vaccine? Vaccine injury! Get eaten by bears after a vaccine? Vaccine injury! Abducted by aliens? Vaccine injury! It is the stupid, lazy, and selfish people who are the reason we can't have anything nice.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 4, 2022 12:12:04 GMT -5
The governor of Iowa has declared Covid is over as of February 15 and is to be treated as any other respiratory illness. It doesn't matter the record number of cases the state is still seeing every week.
She hereby declares it's over so move along and life is normal. No more reporting of long term care outbreaks or the number of people hospitalized. So I guess if we don't know the numbers it is gone, just magically gone.
Guess that explains why she didn't thank health care workers or mention the deceased in her state of the state address.
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Post by Opti on Feb 4, 2022 12:29:17 GMT -5
had its share of cantankerous people who were there because they flat out refused to take care of their health. These people were often ungrateful or downright abusive to the nursing staff.
They existed after the 80s and b4 the 80s. So? Why don't you crow about Utah's new law involving assaults' against nurses? Because I didn’t know about it and frankly I don’t see why it’s necessary. Assault is assault. They need to start enforcing the laws that are on the books. The guy who punched my mother in the stomach when she was eight months pregnant never faced any consequences either. Breathlessly reporting about nurses in the Covid ward being assaulted by unvaccinated patients is gonna generate a hell of a lot more clicks than reporting the fact that patients have been punching nurses ever since there were nurses. Former, I don't think like a conservative, and I know most implied links or thoughts are flat out wrong. So, in this post, you reveal your mom was punched in the stomach at work. You say nothing at all about the physical aftermath. Did she lose the baby, did she not, was it born with health issues, did she have emergency surgery to save her life and the baby's was already lost? Pregnant women get punched in the stomach in the US daily. Tell, do not imply.
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Post by Opti on Feb 4, 2022 12:48:59 GMT -5
It has gotten worse. But why would you care Now you’re resorting to personal attacks? I lost a brother to this. But why would you care? So this post, it's not obvious to me how the brother was lost. You know in your head what happened. You have not written enough for most people to link up your bread crumbs. Definitely not me. Maybe the brother worked in healthcare and got assualted and died? IDK. Had my sib died in ICU, I don't know if I would referred to that happening as my sister died.
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Post by Opti on Feb 4, 2022 13:06:17 GMT -5
You really need to work on your reading comprehension. My mother was punched in the stomach when she was eight months pregnant. This happened when she was working as a nurse. My brother did not survive. Many of my mothers coworkers were also assaulted at work. It’s not something that happens every day, but it was never a hugely rare thing either. I can only imagine it’s gotten worse since my mother’s time. After telling pulmanory that I think people who assault nurses should be charged with assault rather than being given a free pass, he accused me of not caring about the fact that nurses are being assaulted at work. Because it wasn’t enough that I agreed with him that it was a problem and needs to be dealt with more harshly than it has been in the past. No, my issue is that you do not acknowledge how the Covid deniers are making it worse. We get threatened at least weekly if not more Former, I did not read either of the bolded in your veiled posts. In fact I read the opposite, as you did not approve of the Utah law. I have no idea if you have experience at all in the healthcare space. In general, like outside life, people with dementia, altered mental status, whatever may not be held to account legally for the damage they inflict on people in healthcare facilities. I had a stretch of months I risked being assaulted every shift as we had a wandering angry Dementia patient. The AL had not opened yet, but admissions was accepting applications in anticipation of the opening. Reception was in a temporary place, near only other patients and it was easy for this patient and others to block the door or walk behind you while you were answering a phone call. This person had choked, hit family members and had assaulted nursing staff too.
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Post by Opti on Feb 4, 2022 13:12:05 GMT -5
There are videos on YouTube teaching you how to make your own Ivermectin. Terrifying thought. In my old hometown, I have a string of friends and relatives who have been either maimed or killed because the rather brutal HMO that is dominant in the area won’t let the doctors do pretty run-of-the-mill diagnostic tests and treatments. I hear people from there talking about “those doctors”, but it isn’t the doctors fault that they were being forced to work blind with one hand tied behind their backs. I have two tubes of it in my kitchen cupboard if anyone is interested. Each treats up to 1200 pounds. How's the pony doing? Has he made friends with the barn cat or other critters?
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Post by azucena on Feb 7, 2022 13:39:55 GMT -5
The best graph I've seen comparing covid to the flu. Hint - it's not comparable.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 7, 2022 18:18:20 GMT -5
Well, it looks like DGS2 will get some antibodies prior to being eligible for vaccination. The poor little guy tested positive yesterday On an antigen test. Today they went for a PCR test which is a lot easier to book over there than it is here. He had mild symptoms yesterday but, if what others in his pre-kindergarten went through is any indication, he has a few miserable days ahead of him. I just really hope it won't be too bad and also that the other three (all vaxxed) escape getting infected.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 18:35:14 GMT -5
NastyWoman I hope DGS2 will have super mild symptoms and comfortable days ahead, and his sibs too
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 7, 2022 19:48:12 GMT -5
So my crazy cousin posted on FB how she saved her husband's life with ivermectin after insisting the doctors stop using remdesivir because it wasn't working--according to her. She mixed it in to a compound with other stuff and rubbed it on him so the medical staff thought she was holding his hand as she always did. She says he started to improve immediately. My two doctor cousins are going crazy because she has written out the formula and where to buy it and her post has been shared over 30 times in the last 2 hours. So far 4 of us cousins have reported the post for false information. Hopefully it gets removed. She is going to get people killed. One person asked why she took him to the hospital and did she attribute him being alive to medical science. She said no, it was the ivermectin that saved him and he didn't need to be hospitalized. And my uneducated crazy family members wonder why I don't want to see them. At least I have two pediatricians in the family and several other cousins who agree this is the craziest thing they have ever heard.
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