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Post by Artemis Windsong on Sept 22, 2021 11:19:59 GMT -5
People keep talking about the van "not belonging". Aren't camp sites exactly where you park sleeper vans? Did these people really think at the time that it was something suspicious, or have their memories been trained by a full month of listening to the story of the girl that disappeared pretty close to where you were. It has got to be freaky. If it's the people I'm thinking of, they actually had pictures of the van and it was just pulled off on the side of the road, not in a camping area. I've camped in that area. There are a variety of camping spots. Some are just a pull-in for a quick overnight. Basic. No picnic table nor fire pit.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 22, 2021 11:26:36 GMT -5
I will admit I'm not really following this closely.
But I wonder how did the couple meet?
How much do their parents have "invested" in this summer project? And was it one sided (as in ONE family was footing the bills). I'm guessing most early 20 somethings don't have money for new transit van that they can "turn into a camper" or the ability (aka the money) to spend 6 or more weeks "traveling" during the summer on their own (as in not "couch surfing" or being "wined and dined" by some of the friends for some parts of the journey.)
And if the money for this summer jaunt came from the parents (both or either) did the parents think this was a good idea? Especially if they knew their child (or the kids) had mental health issues (or needed daily medications)? I thought I read hints that neither of the couple were without health complications (mental health). Isn't it somewhat obvious that "long term road trips" can be a "pressure cooker" of sorts? What I'm saying is that this kind of trip might have been fraught with difficulties - and did they prepare for those difficulties ahead of time? (apparently not). d
I think the parents fit into the aftermath of all this - as in I'm guessing parents with money (or reputations) may feel that they are being unfairly treated and therefore their kid is being unfairly treated (even if the kid did something really bad).
(Think about the Murdaugh family - it's easy to protect bad behavior/misdeeds when there's money to help cover it up.)
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 22, 2021 11:55:39 GMT -5
I admit I have two very different ideas about this. There’s a police video out there where the cops stopped their van because it was speeding and bumped into the curb. Turns out, according to Pepito, she had a very bad morning where her boyfriend had dirty feet and tracked sand into their car, then as she was working at a coffee shop on her laptop, trying to start her travel blog, they got into a fight because, she said, he didn’t believe her ability to start a travel blog. Ended up with him trying to keep her out of the car, telling her to go take a walk to calm down, and her scratching his face and head with her fingers and a comb while he’s trying to keep her at arms length. Sobbing, she tells the cops she has ADHD and she can get a little worked up sometimes. In this scenario, they are out on a trail, she starts attacking again, he tries to hold her back, accidentally shoved her to the ground, she hits her head and dies. Distraught, he runs into the swamp to kill himself. Second scenario- he’s an asshole, he’s controlling, he plots to kill her in the wilderness, and now that he’s getting caught, he runs off to Mexico. I’m about 60 40 leaning towards him being a sociopath, right now. I've been thinking about that. People don't always argue constructively especially when young. Maybe he was trying to tell her that this was not a good idea for a year around life for both of them. I watched their van life video, and from a commercial helpful travel viewpoint its bad. No narration of what they did and why for viewers to duplicate. It felt more like upscale home video of them on their vacation. Maybe she was unwilling to realize that they as a couple in that particular van were a bad idea for extended periods of time. Maybe he felt trapped by her vision of their future. I think she would still be alive if they had bailed on the rest of the trip and went home after Aug. 12. The Utah police did not release the body cam footage of the female officer talking to her that day. What they did release was one POV that was more slanted towards Brian. I wish Gabby would have realized bailing at the right time is sometimes smarter than finishing what you wanted to do. I am leaning towards he killed her in the heat of the moment during an argument. I wonder if he'll be found today. I agree, if they had just cut their trip short they would both be fine most likely. And yes, they were both young and probably didn’t argue constructively. She seemed to think if you love somebody you are obligated to support their schemes, no matter how hair brained. His way of dealing with confrontation was to walk away and refuse to talk. Both together seemed to agitate the others anxiety levels. Such a tragedy. Sorry for the families involved.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Sept 22, 2021 12:42:26 GMT -5
I will admit I'm not really following this closely. But I wonder how did the couple meet? They've been dating since high school.
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Post by haapai on Sept 22, 2021 15:22:19 GMT -5
If it was them, that would be the last confirmed sighting of her that I know of.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 22, 2021 15:46:37 GMT -5
Sounds like they argued their way through this whole trip. What a nightmare. Although as a side note, now I want to eat at the Merry Piglet.
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Post by Opti on Sept 22, 2021 15:49:45 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-has-sabina-nessa-s-murder-not-dominated-the-news-take-a-wild-guess/ar-AAOHL8C?ocid=msedgntpI agree and disagree with this article. I've been sucked into two cases so far - Trayvon Martin and now Gabby Petito. With Trayvon it just so happened I was online when the RW misinformation engine thought they unearthed the right stuff and propagated that so quickly I was in shock. In two hours, it went at least 100 search results deep. I think what was easy about both cases is you knew who the cast of characters were from the start. The only question really, was what happened? Trayvon's case was everywhere and the where was quickly established. In both cases, I felt the victim deserved to live and the whole mess should have never happened. In the link, Sabina Ness was involved in one of the cases most internet readers cannot help with or follow. Who snatched her off the street? Odds of this being in her internet presence aren't great. A similar case turned out to be a sleazy predatory cop.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 23, 2021 9:04:20 GMT -5
NYT opinion piece. May be behind a pay wall for some. Gwen Ifill Was Right About ‘Missing White Woman Syndrome’The breathless coverage of the disappearance and apparent killing of Gabrielle Petito has played out in a virtual — and sometimes literal — split screen alongside images of mounted officers in Texas swinging long reins like whips while herding Haitian migrants. That startling contrast forces us once again to wrestle with a crucial question: What kinds of people, in what kinds of bodies, with what kinds of lineage do we value? I have been in journalism my entire professional life — over 30 years — and I, like many others, have seen a consistent pattern of missing white women and girls receiving outsize coverage when other missing people receive none. In 2004, at the Unity journalists of color convention in Washington, Gwen Ifill coined the phrase “missing white woman syndrome,” joking that “if there is a missing white woman you’re going to cover that every day.” It is not that these white women should matter less, but rather that all missing people should matter equally. Race should not determine how newsroom leaders assign coverage, especially because those decisions often lead to disproportionate allocation of government resources, as investigators try to solve the highest-profile cases. Complete article here: link
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 23, 2021 9:31:40 GMT -5
NYT opinion piece. May be behind a pay wall for some. Gwen Ifill Was Right About ‘Missing White Woman Syndrome’The breathless coverage of the disappearance and apparent killing of Gabrielle Petito has played out in a virtual — and sometimes literal — split screen alongside images of mounted officers in Texas swinging long reins like whips while herding Haitian migrants. That startling contrast forces us once again to wrestle with a crucial question: What kinds of people, in what kinds of bodies, with what kinds of lineage do we value? I have been in journalism my entire professional life — over 30 years — and I, like many others, have seen a consistent pattern of missing white women and girls receiving outsize coverage when other missing people receive none. In 2004, at the Unity journalists of color convention in Washington, Gwen Ifill coined the phrase “missing white woman syndrome,” joking that “if there is a missing white woman you’re going to cover that every day.” It is not that these white women should matter less, but rather that all missing people should matter equally. Race should not determine how newsroom leaders assign coverage, especially because those decisions often lead to disproportionate allocation of government resources, as investigators try to solve the highest-profile cases. Complete article here: linkThe media outlets are either giving people what they want to see - white women in peril - or are perpetuating the agenda of the people signing their paychecks.
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2021 10:27:24 GMT -5
The media prefers to cover young missing white women and children because people click on the stories. If we want to change the coverage, we can start clicking on stories that aren't about white women. Its actually rare the media covers missing older white women and anyone fat or disabled. Here's a missing person's case concerning a young black geologist. This is the second link I have seen on him. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/his-car-was-found-nearly-a-month-after-he-went-missing-his-dad-hired-a-private-investigator-to-find-his-son/vi-AAOJUEP?ocid=msedgntpThere's a missing middle aged man who doesn't know who he is. Looks like Spanish speaking white guy. I read info on the sixty something on a Croatian island. Once about her being missing and once about the fact they knew now who she was because someone in the US figured it out because they knew her. The missing 6 yr old in Hawaii, the search has been called off but I don't think she's been found. For people really interested in less covered stories, I think the approach is to appear to read them multiple times so it registers in these silly search engines and metrics various news outlets use. I also think people who pay for their news can have a bigger effect. I've noticed MSN pushed all sorts of crap to the home page I'd rather not see. I have lots of Fox News right now because as expected, they are the ones pumping out the most Gabby and Brian news. But its also littered with crap I've never pursued like the Zen Herald click bait site, sale info they want to push that day, some place called Your Tango and the misinformation site Washington Examiner. I really need to find a better website to use. Have not yet read the story about the cops letting (making?) the dog bite the black man. I know that will be awful.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 23, 2021 12:04:09 GMT -5
So I was reading a report about the BF parking his car at a Florida camping area and then, when he didn’t come back in a few days, his family came and drove his car home.
Sorry, but that’s extremely strange. If my thirty year old son was hiking someplace, I’d want to leave his car there pretty much forever, just in case he showed back up.
Picking it up after just a few days? Makes me think the family knew he wasn’t there anymore- if he ever was there. That his car was parked there as a red herring, to give the BF time to vanish to Mexico or Africa.
Maybe I watch too much true crime.
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2021 12:12:18 GMT -5
So I was reading a report about the BF parking his car at a Florida camping area and then, when he didn’t come back in a few days, his family came and drove his car home. Sorry, but that’s extremely strange. If my thirty year old son was hiking someplace, I’d want to leave his car there pretty much forever, just in case he showed back up. Picking it up after just a few days? Makes me think the family knew he wasn’t there anymore- if he ever was there. That his car was parked there as a red herring, to give the BF time to vanish to Mexico or Africa. Maybe I watch too much true crime. Apparently the police put a note on it to be removed. So the parents did pick it up but left it overnight according to them. There's really nothing going on in this case until they find him or call off the search.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 23, 2021 12:34:11 GMT -5
Perhaps young white women are favored because the reader may not pass as harsh a judgement against her? As in she didn't deserve her fate because she was "doing all the right things". It's hard to immediately jump to a conclusion about that the victim brought it on herself when the circumstances of the crime are reviewed.
ie is our tendency to do Victim blaming the actual problem?
It's easy to get hung up on the "well, that person deserved what happened to them - they have lousy friends or had an abusive partner or ran with the wrong crowd or didn't fit into the "standard norms".
I actually had a family member say that LGBTQ people have plenty of rights and if they would just "conform" they'd be fine - there wouldn't be a reason for them to be "targeted". If something bad happened to them - it was their own fault - even if their sexual/gender orientation had nothing to do with the violence against them.
Does Gabby go from being in the wrong place at the wrong time - to having deserved what she got - if it turns out that the relationship she was in was abusive? If Brian was controlling and maybe narcissistic? (I've seen some FB posts pointing out the "abuse" red flags in the videos/police cam footage).
Would this story even be on the news - if it was a known abusive relationship?? Would their parents want that splashed all over the headlines?
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2021 12:50:00 GMT -5
Perhaps young white women are favored because the reader may not pass as harsh a judgement against her? As in she didn't deserve her fate because she was "doing all the right things". It's hard to immediately jump to a conclusion about that the victim brought it on herself when the circumstances of the crime are reviewed. ie is our tendency to do Victim blaming the actual problem? It's easy to get hung up on the "well, that person deserved what happened to them - they have lousy friends or had an abusive partner or ran with the wrong crowd or didn't fit into the "standard norms". I actually had a family member say that LGBTQ people have plenty of rights and if they would just "conform" they'd be fine - there wouldn't be a reason for them to be "targeted". If something bad happened to them - it was their own fault - even if their sexual/gender orientation had nothing to do with the violence against them. Does Gabby go from being in the wrong place at the wrong time - to having deserved what she got - if it turns out that the relationship she was in was abusive? If Brian was controlling and maybe narcissistic? (I've seen some FB posts pointing out the "abuse" red flags in the videos/police cam footage). Would this story even be on the news - if it was a known abusive relationship?? Would their parents want that splashed all over the headlines? One article was talking how gendered the response tends to be with these young white woman stories. How they are good, gentle, etc. I think the pics and what she was selling us turned out to be a fantasy pretty version instead of reality. Maybe it still would have been covered, but less so. I know I have lost some sympathy for her for not being willing to cut the trip short.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Sept 23, 2021 14:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Sept 23, 2021 15:12:20 GMT -5
H. said he saw statistics from the FBI site that listed the number of missing by race.
He then went back to look and found only 2020 statistics. The majority of the US was shut down.
In both cases, the number of missing white people was higher than other races.
The above article also had a link to a study of white woman syndrome and the media.
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Post by justme on Sept 23, 2021 15:16:49 GMT -5
So I was reading a report about the BF parking his car at a Florida camping area and then, when he didn’t come back in a few days, his family came and drove his car home. Sorry, but that’s extremely strange. If my thirty year old son was hiking someplace, I’d want to leave his car there pretty much forever, just in case he showed back up. Picking it up after just a few days? Makes me think the family knew he wasn’t there anymore- if he ever was there. That his car was parked there as a red herring, to give the BF time to vanish to Mexico or Africa. Maybe I watch too much true crime. If I went hiking and didn't come home and my parents found my car where I went but no me... they'd be calling the police right then to report me missing.
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Post by justme on Sept 23, 2021 15:20:03 GMT -5
H. said he saw statistics from the FBI site that listed the number of missing by race. He then went back to look and found only 2020 statistics. The majority of the US was shut down. In both cases, the number of missing white people was higher than other races. The above article also had a link to a study of white woman syndrome and the media. Well there's still more white people in the US so it would be odd if they weren't numerically higher.
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2021 15:22:18 GMT -5
2020 rate was lower for missing people. 2021 will likely be closer to usual given most of the US was open this summer. I hope the internet sleuths find something. What's needed is hard evidence not creepy Brian Laundrie posts.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Sept 23, 2021 15:26:31 GMT -5
Why the car was taken by the authorities.
--------------------- The reason I posted the sparse info about the FBI and race of missing persons is the uproar from other threads on why their missing person didn't get as much national media coverage.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 24, 2021 7:53:43 GMT -5
That will be hard. His DNA will be everywhere because they were living in a van for months together. All he has to do is claim they had a big fight, he told her to find her own way home, and left her there. The last he saw of her, she was standing there crying.
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Post by Opti on Sept 24, 2021 8:44:08 GMT -5
That will be hard. His DNA will be everywhere because they were living in a van for months together. All he has to do is claim they had a big fight, he told her to find her own way home, and left her there. The last he saw of her, she was standing there crying. That's going to be a harder sell though if it is Gabby's cards he has been using and he ended up keeping her phone. I think we won't find out the cause of death unless he gets caught and goes to trial. What worries me though is that by their actions, it appears the lawyer, Brian, and his parents believed delaying her discovery was very helpful to Brian.
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Post by Opti on Sept 24, 2021 15:35:19 GMT -5
I wonder if this sighting will turn out to be anything. www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/flight-attendant-shares-picture-of-man-she-believes-is-brian-laundrie/ar-AAOMzcH?ocid=msedgntpHowever, a flight attendant says she may have spotted Laundrie at a hotel in Toronto. The woman, who posted a photo of a man bearing an incredible resemblance to the suspect Wednesday, described the man she saw as 'flustered' as he walked out of the Toronto establishment, according to The Sun.
Struck by the man's likeness to Laundrie, whose face has been plastered all over the news since Petito's disappearance, the flight attendant decided not to approach the man, but instead snap a picture of him from a distance.
She says she then witnessed him get in a car outside the hotel and drive off with another man.
The flight attendant immediately notified hotel staff of the encounter, who reportedly told her that the man 'didn't know where he was going' and that 'he had the wrong hotel.'
The incident in question took place Monday.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 24, 2021 16:01:38 GMT -5
I wonder if this sighting will turn out to be anything. www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/flight-attendant-shares-picture-of-man-she-believes-is-brian-laundrie/ar-AAOMzcH?ocid=msedgntpHowever, a flight attendant says she may have spotted Laundrie at a hotel in Toronto. The woman, who posted a photo of a man bearing an incredible resemblance to the suspect Wednesday, described the man she saw as 'flustered' as he walked out of the Toronto establishment, according to The Sun.
Struck by the man's likeness to Laundrie, whose face has been plastered all over the news since Petito's disappearance, the flight attendant decided not to approach the man, but instead snap a picture of him from a distance.
She says she then witnessed him get in a car outside the hotel and drive off with another man.
The flight attendant immediately notified hotel staff of the encounter, who reportedly told her that the man 'didn't know where he was going' and that 'he had the wrong hotel.'
The incident in question took place Monday. I must have a mild case of face blindness. These people that are like "I recognized this person from a missing poster I saw 3 years ago." And I'm like "Is that really what my husband looks like - I would have drawn him pretty differently."
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 25, 2021 19:04:21 GMT -5
So now QAnon is claiming that Gabby and her BF are deep state crisis actors who are trying to distract us from Biden’s multiple failures. Because of course they are.
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Post by Opti on Sept 25, 2021 19:12:30 GMT -5
So now QAnon is claiming that Gabby and her BF are deep state crisis actors who are trying to distract us from Biden’s multiple failures. Because of course they are. Fox seems to be covering them more than any other outlet. I wonder how the Q's explain that.
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