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Post by happyhoix on Sept 10, 2021 10:22:40 GMT -5
That was actually the American people who put him in office. Voters. I know that concept is confusing to Republicans. Trump is pushing hard on the idea that the liberal media hates him while they cover up for Biden. If only Trump could control what the media says about him, he would be king of the world. Which might be true, but it would mean we’re living in an Orwellian fascist state. I guess freedom of the press is only a right that should be granted to far right outlets.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 10, 2021 11:10:53 GMT -5
That was actually the American people who put him in office. Voters. I know that concept is confusing to Republicans. Well I remember being told on this very board that the only reason I was voting for Clinton is because I was mesmerized by the fact that we both have a uterus. So I am sure the only reason Biden got elected is because the media told stupid liberals to do it. Otherwise obviously the only logical intelligent choice for president is Trump.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 10, 2021 13:47:28 GMT -5
Of course everything is not fine. There are a bunch of troglodytes who won't get vaccinated or mask because some stupid Republican leaders convinced them their god given rights were being trampled on if they couldn't infect other humans, Afghanistan's military utterly failed and our departure was resultingly messy, and it seems half the country is either on fire or flooded. I'm not sure how much of that I can reasonably hold Biden personally responsible for. I'm sure not nearly as much as you. As for polls, the next presidential election is over 3 years away. What the polls say right now is of less than zero consequence. You can continue to watch them daily for the next 3 years if you want (and I'm certain, only post them here when they show what you want them to show) but if you're thinking that a poll in 9/2021 tells you who will be elected in 11/2024 you're off your nut. what the polls said for MOST presidents in the first two years is that they would lose if the election were held in year two. that is the polling doldrums for every president- when the honeymoon period wears off, and the criticisms begin.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 10, 2021 13:51:54 GMT -5
that same media put Trump in power.
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Sept 10, 2021 14:03:09 GMT -5
I for one am thrilled with Biden! Is he perfect? No Has he made mistakes? Yes But after the horror reality shit show " Real Buffoon's of the Twitler Administration" for 4 plus years Biden is like finally waking up from a prolonged nightmare. He is trying his best to keep the promises he made during the campaign and having a boring, transparent, competent administration is like hitting the lottery for us sane people that live in the real world!
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 10, 2021 15:12:36 GMT -5
I am happy with how bold he is. he hasn't been slapped down by the right like Obama. he doesn't appear to care whether he wins a second term. I really like that.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Sept 17, 2021 21:41:47 GMT -5
The Dutch government has more integrity than ours. Two cabinet ministers resigned over their handling of the evacuations of Dutch citizens in Afghanistan. Biden people should do the same.
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Post by dondub on Sept 17, 2021 22:42:12 GMT -5
The Dutch government has more integrity than ours. Two cabinet ministers resigned over their handling of the evacuations of Dutch citizens in Afghanistan. Biden people should do the same.
Where were you when Trump sold our Kurd friends down the River in Syria. Hundreds died. Or when did I read your post condemning the treaty Trump actually made with the terrorist Taliban that freed 5000 of their hardened fighters in Afghanistan? Crickets. And did you ever oppose the war in Afghanistan with its ambiguous goals other than the profit margin , that left whoever had the balls to stop it between a rock and a hard place. Time to stop whining...
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 17, 2021 23:21:14 GMT -5
The Dutch government has more integrity than ours. Two cabinet ministers resigned over their handling of the evacuations of Dutch citizens in Afghanistan. Biden people should do the same.
Where were you when Trump sold our Kurd friends down the River in Syria. Hundreds died. Or when did I read your post condemning the treaty Trump actually made with the terrorist Taliban that freed 5000 of their hardened fighters in Afghanistan? Crickets. And did you ever oppose the war in Afghanistan with its ambiguous goals other than the profit margin , that left whoever had the balls to stop it between a rock and a hard place. Time to stop whining... Didn't read Rip complaining of trump's directive to march to the Capitol building, attack the police and break into the Capitol building either. Nor has Rip said anything regarding Trump trying to overturn the election and turn Americans against Americans. Criminal behavior by Trump multiple times. Not a peep from Rip.
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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 18, 2021 0:41:47 GMT -5
The Dutch government has more integrity than ours. Two cabinet ministers resigned over their handling of the evacuations of Dutch citizens in Afghanistan. Biden people should do the same.
The entire government structure of the Netherlands is different from what we have here. you are comparing apples to grenades (yes I do know the actual expression. I also know a lot more than you do about Dutch government)
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 18, 2021 7:39:35 GMT -5
Where were you when Trump sold our Kurd friends down the River in Syria. Hundreds died. Or when did I read your post condemning the treaty Trump actually made with the terrorist Taliban that freed 5000 of their hardened fighters in Afghanistan? Crickets. And did you ever oppose the war in Afghanistan with its ambiguous goals other than the profit margin , that left whoever had the balls to stop it between a rock and a hard place. Time to stop whining... Didn't read Rip complaining of trump's directive to march to the Capitol building, attack the police and break into the Capitol building either. Nor has Rip said anything regarding Trump trying to overturn the election and turn Americans against Americans. Criminal behavior by Trump multiple times. Not a peep from Rip. You cannot talk to a Trump supporter, they are the ones inflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome. This is what I was told yesterday: It was BLM and Antifa that stormed the Capitol. (Trump loves BLM and Antifa?) The fake election: "they" wanted him out, they got him out and installed puppet Biden (Trump started the same election bullshit in 2016 when he didn't think he was going to win....second verse/same as the first) Biden got 13 soldiers killed in Afghanistan (Not concerned about the 2.5k soldiers killed over the last 20 years) The IRS will be monitoring our bank accounts, he's turning us into a socialist nation (to this, I laughed and said you draw a disability check and are on medicare, were you not worried about all the info you were giving the government) Trump is the savior...the end all, be all. With no policies in 2 presidential campaigns, but he ran his mouth and owned the libs. That's it, that is why they support him. 30% of the US population. Good! I hope he keeps running his mouth. He will eventually run the republican party in the ground. And they deserve it...they do not belong in leadership positions if they cannot stand up to....Donald Trump. I'm sorry, it's still unfathomable to me, Donald Trump.....
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Post by Opti on Sept 18, 2021 11:01:59 GMT -5
The Dutch government has more integrity than ours. Two cabinet ministers resigned over their handling of the evacuations of Dutch citizens in Afghanistan. Biden people should do the same.
There are many stupid things that happened including a bunch of people flying into Afghanistan in August of all times from California. Paperwork was blocked by parts of the WH for many who wanted to leave Afghanistan prior to Biden's election. And, per "I Alone Can Fix It" Trump actually tried to get us out of Afghanistan at least two times with much less planning than what ended up happening. When he first took office, and right before he left the WH. I know few complaints would have been offered if Trump had done this or worse. Hard for me to take the complaints seriously. Much like learning the reason we have all these people under a bridge is because a border crossing was closed. CLOSED. Yet Cruz whines as usual misrepresenting what is happening. If Trump had done that, there would probably be celebrations showing how many people locked out from the border with weird thoughts about his manliness to go with it. I can't take you seriously about integrity given Trump's actions plus how much worse I am learning it was from various authors. Plus much of the right has loved telling us how people you know are direct reflections of you. Mike Lindell and Rudi, hard to get worse character references than that.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 18, 2021 11:15:59 GMT -5
For a president who essentially got very little done, except his big tax break for the rich and big companies, Trump has a lot to say about how he would do thing ‘right’ if was still in charge.
He failed to get us out of Afghanistan. No wonderful treaties with NK, didn’t solve the Mid East problems, no wonderful and cheap healthcare for everyone, no wonderful infrastructure bill. He had two years of a GOP controlled Congress and only rammed his tax cut for the rich through. Fought with other GOP members as much as he did with the Dems. Managed to give Congress and the presidency to the Dems, so I guess that was an achievement of sorts.
And now he boasts about what would be happening if he was still in charge. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know what he would be doing- nothing at all, except continue his chaos and infighting, going golfing and grifting money to himself and friends.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 18, 2021 12:18:39 GMT -5
not only that....
his SIGNATURE issue, REPEALING OBAMACARE, failed when John McCain voted against it.
oh, and how much border wall did he build? 52 miles or something? never got it funded BY HIS OWN CONGRESS.
he was a miserable failure, and that is how historians will write about him.
edit: oh, and I happen to think he is PERSONALLY accountable for killing more Americans than we list during the Civil War. or, if you prefer to Jim Jones it, he presided over a death cult that killed more Americans than the Civil War.
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Post by Opti on Sept 18, 2021 14:02:15 GMT -5
not only that....
his SIGNATURE issue, REPEALING OBAMACARE, failed when John McCain voted against it.
oh, and how much border wall did he build? 52 miles or something? never got it funded BY HIS OWN CONGRESS.
he was a miserable failure, and that is how historians will write about him.
edit: oh, and I happen to think he is PERSONALLY accountable for killing more Americans than we list during the Civil War. or, if you prefer to Jim Jones it, he presided over a death cult that killed more Americans than the Civil War. I am afraid with all this vaccine resistance now baked in we are heading towards 2 Million or more dead of Covid in the US alone before this ends. Especially if we end up needing to hit the marker of 1 in 150 dead from the pandemic like last time.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Sept 22, 2021 23:34:50 GMT -5
Well the border is heating up more. Why is it ok to deport the black Haitians but not ok to deport the brown illegals crossing into Texas. Isn't that being two faced racist?
I like this quote - “Individuals and families are subject to border restrictions, including expulsion,” Ms. Espinosa said. “Irregular migration poses a significant threat to the health and welfare of border communities and to the lives of migrants themselves and should not be attempted.”
Are not all illegals aliens subject to expulsion? Can someone explain this please?
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Post by dondub on Sept 23, 2021 0:30:33 GMT -5
Well the border is heating up more. Why is it ok to deport the black Haitians but not ok to deport the brown illegals crossing into Texas. Isn't that being two faced racist?
I like this quote - “Individuals and families are subject to border restrictions, including expulsion,” Ms. Espinosa said. “Irregular migration poses a significant threat to the health and welfare of border communities and to the lives of migrants themselves and should not be attempted.”
Are not all illegals aliens subject to expulsion? Can someone explain this please?
Yes. No.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 23, 2021 5:37:27 GMT -5
Well the border is heating up more. Why is it ok to deport the black Haitians but not ok to deport the brown illegals crossing into Texas. Isn't that being two faced racist?
I like this quote - “Individuals and families are subject to border restrictions, including expulsion,” Ms. Espinosa said. “Irregular migration poses a significant threat to the health and welfare of border communities and to the lives of migrants themselves and should not be attempted.”
Are not all illegals aliens subject to expulsion? Can someone explain this please?
They do deport brown people. The myth of hordes of illegals pouring into the country over the border is just that - a myth. The reason there is a crisis at the border is because they are NOT allowed to pour across the border.
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2021 10:58:03 GMT -5
One of the stories on this actually made me mad. One Haitian family managed to settle in Chile and the husband had a business. Yet they came because they thought there was amnesty from Biden in spite of the fact Chile has far less Covid than the US and they already had a life there.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 23, 2021 12:10:37 GMT -5
One of the stories on this actually made me mad. One Haitian family managed to settle in Chile and the husband had a business. Yet they came because they thought there was amnesty from Biden in spite of the fact Chile has far less Covid than the US and they already had a life there. Supposedly there is a ton of misinformation going around social media - like how one particular border crossing was open for anyone to enter. That’s what caused that sudden huge rush of Haitian immigrants. Now that they’re flying planes of Haitians back to Haiti, the number of new people showing up there has dropped. Everyone needs to just assume everything posted on social media is a lie. We would all be better for it. Let’s just post baby and puppy and kitten pictures only.
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2021 12:34:30 GMT -5
One of the stories on this actually made me mad. One Haitian family managed to settle in Chile and the husband had a business. Yet they came because they thought there was amnesty from Biden in spite of the fact Chile has far less Covid than the US and they already had a life there. Supposedly there is a ton of misinformation going around social media - like how one particular border crossing was open for anyone to enter. That’s what caused that sudden huge rush of Haitian immigrants. Now that they’re flying planes of Haitians back to Haiti, the number of new people showing up there has dropped. Everyone needs to just assume everything posted on social media is a lie. We would all be better for it. Let’s just post baby and puppy and kitten pictures only. Unfortunately one article I read said multiple busses are being hijacked and people are escaping. Not good. Unfortunate that there isn't an airport right there to use. My guess is its RW and foreign bot sites giving out the false info the border is open and Biden is welcoming all of them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2021 16:38:23 GMT -5
The Dutch government has more integrity than ours. Two cabinet ministers resigned over their handling of the evacuations of Dutch citizens in Afghanistan. Biden people should do the same.
the French have a better healthcare system. when we adopt it, I will consider your remarks.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 23, 2021 20:38:33 GMT -5
Well the border is heating up more. Why is it ok to deport the black Haitians but not ok to deport the brown illegals crossing into Texas. Isn't that being two faced racist?
I like this quote - “Individuals and families are subject to border restrictions, including expulsion,” Ms. Espinosa said. “Irregular migration poses a significant threat to the health and welfare of border communities and to the lives of migrants themselves and should not be attempted.”
Are not all illegals aliens subject to expulsion? Can someone explain this please?
Is the U.S. not deporting the brown Haitians too? Haitians refugees crossing the river are brown too.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Sept 23, 2021 22:41:56 GMT -5
Well the border is heating up more. Why is it ok to deport the black Haitians but not ok to deport the brown illegals crossing into Texas. Isn't that being two faced racist?
I like this quote - “Individuals and families are subject to border restrictions, including expulsion,” Ms. Espinosa said. “Irregular migration poses a significant threat to the health and welfare of border communities and to the lives of migrants themselves and should not be attempted.”
Are not all illegals aliens subject to expulsion? Can someone explain this please?
They do deport brown people. The myth of hordes of illegals pouring into the country over the border is just that - a myth. The reason there is a crisis at the border is because they are NOT allowed to pour across the border. Do you not have a television?? Every day I see videos of people flooding across the river. So you're saying if we threw open our border and let the whole world in this would be a non-story and no crisis? What about National security? Federal, State and Local budget tax burdens with all the additional people we'd have to take care of?
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Post by dondub on Sept 23, 2021 22:55:41 GMT -5
They do deport brown people. The myth of hordes of illegals pouring into the country over the border is just that - a myth. The reason there is a crisis at the border is because they are NOT allowed to pour across the border. Do you not have a television?? Every day I see videos of people flooding across the river. So you're saying if we threw open our border and let the whole world in this would be a non-story and no crisis? What about National security? Federal, State and Local budget tax burdens with all the additional people we'd have to take care of? Your Trump tax cut for the rich was a tax burden. His $7.6 trillion add to the deficit is a future tax burden. But you’ll go all Karen over people barely surviving. OK.
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2021 23:17:21 GMT -5
They do deport brown people. The myth of hordes of illegals pouring into the country over the border is just that - a myth. The reason there is a crisis at the border is because they are NOT allowed to pour across the border. Do you not have a television?? Every day I see videos of people flooding across the river. So you're saying if we threw open our border and let the whole world in this would be a non-story and no crisis? What about National security? Federal, State and Local budget tax burdens with all the additional people we'd have to take care of? So are you saying having a closed border isn't enough? Trump's entire build a wall plan sucks because maybe there might be too many people outside and close to the wall?
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 24, 2021 6:51:57 GMT -5
They do deport brown people. The myth of hordes of illegals pouring into the country over the border is just that - a myth. The reason there is a crisis at the border is because they are NOT allowed to pour across the border. Do you not have a television?? Every day I see videos of people flooding across the river. So you're saying if we threw open our border and let the whole world in this would be a non-story and no crisis? What about National security? Federal, State and Local budget tax burdens with all the additional people we'd have to take care of? Do you not have a television? Haven’t you seen the images of the stuffed holding areas of immigrants waiting to be processed - with most returned back to where they came from? The crisis at the border is from all the holding camps bursting at the seams. The Haitians headed here are coming in response to false social media statements about the border being open. It is not. Wonder who started those false rumors, Trumpists or China or Russia? Seems like a Roger Stone kind of thing to do.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 24, 2021 9:26:44 GMT -5
Aren't there people on horseback who are beating and chasing the refugees, even though there is a camp set up for the refugees close by? Or am I conflating stories?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 24, 2021 12:37:01 GMT -5
They do deport brown people. The myth of hordes of illegals pouring into the country over the border is just that - a myth. The reason there is a crisis at the border is because they are NOT allowed to pour across the border. Do you not have a television?? Every day I see videos of people flooding across the river. So you're saying if we threw open our border and let the whole world in this would be a non-story and no crisis? What about National security? Federal, State and Local budget tax burdens with all the additional people we'd have to take care of? based on this, I am going to say no:
The current net migration rate for U.S. in 2021 is 2.820 per 1000 population, a 1.3% decline from 2020. The net migration rate for U.S. in 2020 was 2.857 per 1000 population, a 1.24% decline from 2019. The net migration rate for U.S. in 2019 was 2.893 per 1000 population, a 1.23% decline from 2018.
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