Anyone paying attention to hospitals on the Mexican border?

[mary2029]

Aug 22, 2021 12:29:37 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 22, 2021 10:37:18 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

Seven months after he got his vaccination, he recommends it.  Such a great leader. 
On the positive site, at least he did it. Maybe others will too. 

j

It will take 6 weeks before someone gets full protection from the vaccine. At this point, given the speed of the spread of the virus, and the rate of vaccination that is happening, these people will be prepared for the next wave. Unless the vaccines are paired with masks and social distancing, as tennesseer said, too little, too late.

Oh, his statement was definitely too little. He seemed to be testing the water and got booed;so, Trump (and any of his supporters) isn't going to say this again.
Too late, I don't think so. If COVID goes away before 6 weeks (or 2 for J&J vaccinations) from now, that will be a miracle. Trump supporters getting vaccinations may be enough to compress the fall/winter wave.

I am trying to be positive about this and hope that some of his peeps will get their shots.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 22, 2021 19:50:07 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

Aug 22, 2021 12:29:37 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

j

It will take 6 weeks before someone gets full protection from the vaccine. At this point, given the speed of the spread of the virus, and the rate of vaccination that is happening, these people will be prepared for the next wave. Unless the vaccines are paired with masks and social distancing, as tennesseer said, too little, too late.

Oh, his statement was definitely too little. He seemed to be testing the water and got booed;so, Trump (and any of his supporters) isn't going to say this again.
Too late, I don't think so. If COVID goes away before 6 weeks (or 2 for J&J vaccinations) from now, that will be a miracle. Trump supporters getting vaccinations may be enough to compress the fall/winter wave.

I am trying to be positive about this and hope that some of his peeps will get their shots.

No, it’s too late because this wave is going to peak prior to that point, so the effectiveness of them is diluted, and too late because a whole lot of deaths could have been prevented. This pandemic ends when enough people are immune, and history shows that they last in the neighborhood of 2 years. So we have not done better than nature could have

[mary2029]

I disagee with your opinion.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 22, 2021 21:06:55 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 22, 2021 19:50:07 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

Oh, his statement was definitely too little. He seemed to be testing the water and got booed;so, Trump (and any of his supporters) isn't going to say this again.
Too late, I don't think so. If COVID goes away before 6 weeks (or 2 for J&J vaccinations) from now, that will be a miracle. Trump supporters getting vaccinations may be enough to compress the fall/winter wave.

I am trying to be positive about this and hope that some of his peeps will get their shots.

No, it’s too late because this wave is going to peak prior to that point, so the effectiveness of them is diluted, and too late because a whole lot of deaths could have been prevented. This pandemic ends when enough people are immune, and history shows that they last in the neighborhood of 2 years. So we have not done better than nature could have

The medical facts are as I outlined them. This variant is 6-9 times more contagious. Vaccines take time to be effective. Without mitigation efforts,, if we continue to get 100k cases a day, 4 million people will be infected(at least). The areas lagging in vaccination will be disproportionately affected. They are not vaccinating at a fast enough rate. And since this variant seems to affect children more significantly, those under 12 cannot be vaccinated, schools are back in session, and there are too many without mitigation efforts, we have weeks of this to come.

The virus is doing what we refused to do. We will get enough people with protection. Nature will do so. Since there is still about 25% of us who are hardcore “no”, this continues for months more. Needlessly and tragically. All because we are stupid with incompetent leaders

[mary2029]

It gets down to what your and my opinions are on "too late".  It appears that you are looking at the entire COVID illnesses and deaths rate.  
However, I am looking for the one butterfly flapping its wings so much that it generates a tsunami. If one person heard and listened to the former president gets the vaccination, that is a win. If that one person gets his family vaccinated, that is a win. If that one person shows his family and acquaintances to open their minds even for a little bit to gain a wider perspective than what the group has begun to believe, that is a win. 
So, yes, I disagree with your opinion and I will continue to as long as there is an opportunity for one life to be saved.  

[pulmonarymd]

Trump is doing too little, too late. The opportunity to save thousands of lives and change the course of the pandemic has passed. Yes, vaccination now may save lives down the line, but the opportunity has been lost, as a far more dangerous variant emerged as a result. And, with the rate of infection we are having now, we are at a dangerous point, because a new mutant may emerge that evades the current vaccines. So, yes, for one life, it may be beneficial, but in the grand scheme of things, what Trump did is worthless. And he was booed when he said it. He deserves zero credit.

[bean29]

Aug 23, 2021 8:10:37 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Trump is doing too little, too late. The opportunity to save thousands of lives and change the course of the pandemic has passed. Yes, vaccination now may save lives down the line, but the opportunity has been lost, as a far more dangerous variant emerged as a result. And, with the rate of infection we are having now, we are at a dangerous point, because a new mutant may emerge that evades the current vaccines. So, yes, for one life, it may be beneficial, but in the grand scheme of things, what Trump did is worthless. And he was booed when he said it. He deserves zero credit.

Yeah, but the people he said it to were booing him because that was not what they want to hear.  They are still hard core anti-vaccine.  I don't think very many of them will go out and get vaccinated unless it is to protect their jobs or they were truly waiting for the FDA to approve it.  That is probably no more than 10% of the unvaccinated population.

[pulmonarymd]

FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine. We will now see a rush of people get vaccinated!

Surveys show a consistent 20-25% of people who say nothing will make them get the vaccine. Just heard of a healthcare worker quit because the governor would not allow nursing home employees to get an exemption. There is a significant amount of crazy out there. Trump ran into it on Saturday. He deserved it, because he fanned the flames. But we will all pay for it.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Aug 23, 2021 6:56:23 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

It gets down to what your and my opinions are on "too late".  It appears that you are looking at the entire COVID illnesses and deaths rate.  
However, I am looking for the one butterfly flapping its wings so much that it generates a tsunami. If one person heard and listened to the former president gets the vaccination, that is a win. If that one person gets his family vaccinated, that is a win. If that one person shows his family and acquaintances to open their minds even for a little bit to gain a wider perspective than what the group has begun to believe, that is a win. 
So, yes, I disagree with your opinion and I will continue to as long as there is an opportunity for one life to be saved.  

The problem is that he bought the ole hydroxychloroquine and other alternative means and did not support the vaccines when it would have done the most good….while he was President.  

Now the fake vaccine problems have gotten too much traction.  His words supporting the vaccine at this point ring false to their ears.  The damage he did cannot be undone, and the US and their healthcare providers are paying….once again…..for his actions.  

[mary2029]

Aug 23, 2021 11:06:23 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Aug 23, 2021 6:56:23 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

It gets down to what your and my opinions are on "too late".  It appears that you are looking at the entire COVID illnesses and deaths rate.  
However, I am looking for the one butterfly flapping its wings so much that it generates a tsunami. If one person heard and listened to the former president gets the vaccination, that is a win. If that one person gets his family vaccinated, that is a win. If that one person shows his family and acquaintances to open their minds even for a little bit to gain a wider perspective than what the group has begun to believe, that is a win. 
So, yes, I disagree with your opinion and I will continue to as long as there is an opportunity for one life to be saved.  

The problem is that he bought the ole hydroxychloroquine and other alternative means and did not support the vaccines when it would have done the most good….while he was President.  

Now the fake vaccine problems have gotten too much traction.  His words supporting the vaccine at this point ring false to their ears.  The damage he did cannot be undone, and the US and their healthcare providers are paying….once again…..for his actions.  

I said it was too little; I just disagree that it is too late.  My positive comment was that Trump finally admitted publicly (7 months after the event) that he got a vaccination and that vaccinations are worth it and that maybe others would too (either admit that they got a shot or would get a shot). 
If it isn't too late to try to convince someone to get the Pfizer shots now that there is full FDA approval, then it isn't too late to have someone attend or watch the rally, listen to "his/her POTUS" and change his/her mind on the vaccination. 

I would have thought that any avenue that would get people to get vaccinated would be a positive step forward.  IMO, you guys sound like the people who argue that Fauci stated that he was against wearing masks. 

I think it was a good thing that Trump stated that vaccinations are worth getting and that he got one. This is my opinion and I am not going to change it whatever you guys state. Just like whatever you guys state isn't going to change my mind. 

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 23, 2021 11:24:27 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

Aug 23, 2021 11:06:23 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

The problem is that he bought the ole hydroxychloroquine and other alternative means and did not support the vaccines when it would have done the most good….while he was President.  

Now the fake vaccine problems have gotten too much traction.  His words supporting the vaccine at this point ring false to their ears.  The damage he did cannot be undone, and the US and their healthcare providers are paying….once again…..for his actions.  

I said it was too little; I just disagree that it is too late.  My positive comment was that Trump finally admitted publicly (7 months after the event) that he got a vaccination and that vaccinations are worth it and that maybe others would too (either admit that they got a shot or would get a shot). 
If it isn't too late to try to convince someone to get the Pfizer shots now that there is full FDA approval, then it isn't too late to have someone attend or watch the rally, listen to "his/her POTUS" and change his/her mind on the vaccination. 

I would have thought that any avenue that would get people to get vaccinated would be a positive step forward.  IMO, you guys sound like the people who argue that Fauci stated that he was against wearing masks. 

I think it was a good thing that Trump stated that vaccinations are worth getting and that he got one. This is my opinion and I am not going to change it whatever you guys state. Just like whatever you guys state isn't going to change my mind. 

No, you misunderstand. Trump gets zero credit. He actually did things to make this worse and prolong it. People need to be vaccinated. It is past the time to try persuasion, and now we need mandates, so we can prevent a 5th wave. The fourth wave is already baked in, what will happen will happen, whether people get vaccinated or not. The only way to mitigate it is to go back to masking and social distancing. If we do that, then it buys time for the vaccine to work. Without that, we get more of the same. Each wave improves as more people have some immunity, it doesn't matter how. But if this one does not infect enough people, and people still refuse vaccination, prepare for wave 5 and 6.

[tallguy]

This is my opinion and I am not going to change it whatever you guys state. Just like whatever you guys state isn't going to change my mind.

Yes.  Exactly like that.  (And I do mean exactly.)      

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Aug 23, 2021 13:17:14 GMT -5 tallguy said:

This is my opinion and I am not going to change it whatever you guys state. Just like whatever you guys state isn't going to change my mind.

Yes.  Exactly like that.  (And I do mean exactly.)      

Listening to the sounds of irony swooping over head......

[weltschmerz]

What the hell is WRONG with people? They won't take the vaccine, but they'll take horse dewormer.

Multiple reports of patients treated or hospitalized after "self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses" led the Food and Drug Administration to issue a warning Friday. "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it," the agency tweeted.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/08/23/covid-warning-treatment-ivermectin-fda-mississippi/8244302002/

What? The? Fuck?

[sesfw]

Mary ........ you go girl

[Tiny]

Aug 23, 2021 6:56:23 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

It gets down to what your and my opinions are on "too late".  It appears that you are looking at the entire COVID illnesses and deaths rate.  
However, I am looking for the one butterfly flapping its wings so much that it generates a tsunami. If one person heard and listened to the former president gets the vaccination, that is a win. If that one person gets his family vaccinated, that is a win. If that one person shows his family and acquaintances to open their minds even for a little bit to gain a wider perspective than what the group has begun to believe, that is a win. 
So, yes, I disagree with your opinion and I will continue to as long as there is an opportunity for one life to be saved.  

Not really a response to Mary - but more a general comment to the sentiment of that last sentence: 

Oddly enough that is a theme in movies (star wars comes to mind) and assorted Anime series that I watch -   the Hero moves through horrors of people dying around them unable to save everyone  and instead focuses on one goal (or saving one life - or maybe a family)  and the Hero usually gets to  save that one final life (or family) before the Hero themselves dies.   The life or  (handful of lives) saved - get to carry on as they survey the horror/tragedy/pain and suffering around them - grateful and full of hope - Because they were "saved".    I image they get to continue on living their lifes of pain and sorry - because the hero didn't change anything.  

Sometimes the Hero gets redemption (they make up for their own sins of the past with that single saved life (at great cost to themselves).   Sometimes not. 

Basically it's being able to do something (save one life) in the midst of death of destruction.   

I realize these shows arent' about 'real life'  but rather metaphors about existence.   

It's a bittersweet example of why Hope is the vilest of virtues.  

I need to watch less TV... 

I guess since there is no stemming the tide of Covid19 in America - a hopeless situation - saving even one life is miraculous and precious and a pinpoint of hope in the darkness. 

[Tiny]

Just checked World 0 Meter - since July 1st  about 24K Americans died of Covid. 


hmmm.   We've been tracking numbers for 18 months:  approx 645000 deaths/18 = 35834 deaths per month.   That can't be right... 
  
 

[billisonboard]

Aug 23, 2021 12:42:07 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 23, 2021 11:24:27 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

I said it was too little; I just disagree that it is too late.  My positive comment was that Trump finally admitted publicly (7 months after the event) that he got a vaccination and that vaccinations are worth it and that maybe others would too (either admit that they got a shot or would get a shot). 
If it isn't too late to try to convince someone to get the Pfizer shots now that there is full FDA approval, then it isn't too late to have someone attend or watch the rally, listen to "his/her POTUS" and change his/her mind on the vaccination. 

I would have thought that any avenue that would get people to get vaccinated would be a positive step forward.  IMO, you guys sound like the people who argue that Fauci stated that he was against wearing masks. 

I think it was a good thing that Trump stated that vaccinations are worth getting and that he got one. This is my opinion and I am not going to change it whatever you guys state. Just like whatever you guys state isn't going to change my mind. 

No, you misunderstand. Trump gets zero credit. He actually did things to make this worse and prolong it. People need to be vaccinated. It is past the time to try persuasion, and now we need mandates, so we can prevent a 5th wave. The fourth wave is already baked in, what will happen will happen, whether people get vaccinated or not. The only way to mitigate it is to go back to masking and social distancing. If we do that, then it buys time for the vaccine to work. Without that, we get more of the same. Each wave improves as more people have some immunity, it doesn't matter how. But if this one does not infect enough people, and people still refuse vaccination, prepare for wave 5 and 6.

I give Trump credit for saying what he did therefore he does get credit. Others might say that they give no credit which only adds nothing to his credit pile but it does not negate the credit that I have given him.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 16, 2021 10:26:01 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I want to try to keep politics out of this if possible here
Anyone following hospitalizations in the border towns on Texas/Mexico border?

Some hospitals are 80% occupied with covid patients, but not with citizens. 

They have crossed over the border and our government releases them to the communities to deal with. Estimated 17,000 covid infections so far from the border crossers
How is this different then back in  the 1800's when the Army and traders traded infected Blankets with the Indians spreading Smallpox throughout the tribal lands?
Can we not agree it is time to temporarily close the southern border due to pandemic conditions when we still do not allow travel from Europe or Canada to happen without these people proving they are not sick and spreading disease across the country?

A simple response without politics, yes or no, would suffice to me. This is beyond political theatrics at this point, imo.

Valuebuy - I don't hear a lot of Spanish accents in this video. Do you? This is why there is a current massive outbreak of the virus in the South.

[Opti]

Aug 24, 2021 9:49:57 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 16, 2021 10:26:01 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I want to try to keep politics out of this if possible here
Anyone following hospitalizations in the border towns on Texas/Mexico border?

Some hospitals are 80% occupied with covid patients, but not with citizens. 

They have crossed over the border and our government releases them to the communities to deal with. Estimated 17,000 covid infections so far from the border crossers
How is this different then back in  the 1800's when the Army and traders traded infected Blankets with the Indians spreading Smallpox throughout the tribal lands?
Can we not agree it is time to temporarily close the southern border due to pandemic conditions when we still do not allow travel from Europe or Canada to happen without these people proving they are not sick and spreading disease across the country?

A simple response without politics, yes or no, would suffice to me. This is beyond political theatrics at this point, imo.

Valuebuy - I don't hear a lot of Spanish accents in this video. Do you? This is washy there is a current massive outbreak of the virus in the South.

Its sad that first woman does not realize she's a sheep too. She just chooses to listen to bad shepherds. 

[andi9899]

Aug 24, 2021 9:49:57 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 16, 2021 10:26:01 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I want to try to keep politics out of this if possible here
Anyone following hospitalizations in the border towns on Texas/Mexico border?

Some hospitals are 80% occupied with covid patients, but not with citizens. 

They have crossed over the border and our government releases them to the communities to deal with. Estimated 17,000 covid infections so far from the border crossers
How is this different then back in  the 1800's when the Army and traders traded infected Blankets with the Indians spreading Smallpox throughout the tribal lands?
Can we not agree it is time to temporarily close the southern border due to pandemic conditions when we still do not allow travel from Europe or Canada to happen without these people proving they are not sick and spreading disease across the country?

A simple response without politics, yes or no, would suffice to me. This is beyond political theatrics at this point, imo.

Valuebuy - I don't hear a lot of Spanish accents in this video. Do you? This is washy there is a current massive outbreak of the virus in the South.

VB must be a goat.

[pulmonarymd]

I also doubt there were many migrants at Trump's Alabama rally where he got booed for recommending the vaccine.

[resolution]

I don't understand why she wants to be a goat. She is taking that from a scripture where the sheep are saved and the goats are eternally punished.

[weltschmerz]

Aug 24, 2021 14:03:41 GMT -5 resolution said:

I don't understand why she wants to be a goat. She is taking that from a scripture where the sheep are saved and the goats are eternally punished.

Trump is a Judas Goat.

[imawino]

Aug 23, 2021 6:56:23 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

It gets down to what your and my opinions are on "too late".  It appears that you are looking at the entire COVID illnesses and deaths rate.  
However, I am looking for the one butterfly flapping its wings so much that it generates a tsunami. If one person heard and listened to the former president gets the vaccination, that is a win. If that one person gets his family vaccinated, that is a win. If that one person shows his family and acquaintances to open their minds even for a little bit to gain a wider perspective than what the group has begun to believe, that is a win. 
So, yes, I disagree with your opinion and I will continue to as long as there is an opportunity for one life to be saved.  

I admire your positivity.

You are correct - it is most certainly not too late to save a life.  And pulmonarymd is correct - it is most certainly too late to have any meaningful impact.

I'm trying to feel happy about people changing their minds and getting vaccinated, because they will be less of a risk to others.  But as to what actually happens to any fully functioning adult who has chosen to remain unvaccinated to this point?  Fuck 'em.  

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I don't give him any credit after reading the transcript of what he said.  He didn't really come out for the vaccine and backtracked like the boot licker he is the moment he was booed.  The time to speak  up was when he actually had the damn virus.  If not then, he should have gotten vaccinated on camera like the other four remaining presidents did.  Instead he slunk off and got in secret.

Chris Christie and Boris Johnson are still assholes but at least they were humbled after they got it and changed their tune.  I'm sure that did influence some people.

It's too little too late for Trump followers.  It has become a cult that is spiraling out his control.  Eventually he too will become "the man" who cannot be trusted.   I shudder when I think about the type of person that may take his place.

[mollyc]

Aug 24, 2021 16:09:32 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Eventually he too will become "the man" who cannot be trusted.   I shudder when I think about the type of person that may take his place.

According to Alex Jones' rant after this rally, Trump is already a sell out and not to be trusted.  Per this rant, when the owner of CNN says jump, Trump asks how high.

It was pretty entertaining from an outsider's point of view.

[Tennesseer]

Trump ‘maybe not that bright,’ says Alex Jones after the former president defended vaccines
link

[djAdvocate]

Aug 23, 2021 9:54:19 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine. We will now see a rush of people get vaccinated!

Surveys show a consistent 20-25% of people who say nothing will make them get the vaccine. Just heard of a healthcare worker quit because the governor would not allow nursing home employees to get an exemption. There is a significant amount of crazy out there. Trump ran into it on Saturday. He deserved it, because he fanned the flames. But we will all pay for it.

....FOR A GENERATION.

for those that don't understand this, here is why.

1) loss of knowledge and skill capital. this disease tends to strike people who have a lot if interaction with the public, and such people tend to have more skills and public value than those that have little interaction with the public.

2) loss of labor/productivity. I will leave that right where it lies.

3) long term chronic illnesses/cost to the medical system. I will leave that one, as well.

because of these factors, nations that fare bad during pandemics tend to underperform those in terms of GDP growth FOR A GENERATION.

Trump spent his entire campaign bragging that he would turn the economy into a raging inferno.  rather, he has doomed us to be one of the worst performing economies in the world FOR A GENERATION.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 24, 2021 19:23:38 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump ‘maybe not that bright,’ says Alex Jones after the former president defended vaccines
link

Alex Jones is just as stupid as he seems. no guessing about it.