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Post by empress of self-improvement on Jun 17, 2021 19:51:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry, WHAT?!?!!?! That has to be the stupidest thing I have read lately. I can't say ever because I've other stupid things. Well, all the more reason why I loathe Ashton Kutcher. Apparently, Kutcher is a donor and recommended some start up company from Utah that had no background in this. I think two more states used them also. Also three states have had problems, but Kutcher got his picture taken with the Gov Well isn't that special!!! Good God. I need ice cream after this.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 17, 2021 20:02:32 GMT -5
Aw carp! I got a call from an old friend I haven't heard from in years, and she won't get the shot. She's convinced it causes miscarriages & sterilizes young women, and because she already has some health issues, she won't touch it. She lives in a senior community, too. Oh, and the government data on deaths from Covid is all fabricated, too. I wonder what pulmonarymd would have to say about this? I guess we don’t know what caused a person to die. Otherwise, we are capable of diagnosing every other disease but this one correctly. I have given up. People can believe whatever they want at this point. People are being willfully ignorant at this point. Maybe when places with low vaccination rates spike this fall and winter and places with high vaccination rates don’t, they will change their minds
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 17, 2021 20:04:40 GMT -5
Tell her to look up large life insurance earning calls. My company paid $1.2 billion in excess claims last yr. Our claims data by geography aligns remarkably with CDC numbers. It's like a perfect actuarial case study. incredible factual information to counter BS. Granted doubters won't listen but it is still good to have it. Thanks.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 17, 2021 20:04:52 GMT -5
Tell her to look up large life insurance earning calls. My company paid $1.2 billion in excess claims last yr. Our claims data by geography aligns remarkably with CDC numbers. It's like a perfect actuarial case study. Facts no longer matter to them. But, these facts make perfect sense
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2021 21:03:03 GMT -5
There is a pain in my leg. I asked a friend who is a doctor what I should do as it doesn't seem to be going away. He immediately sent me to get an ultrasound because blood clots have ticked up just a little after vaccinations were wide-spread.
No blood clot, so, apparently I strained or tore a muscle by standing in the kitchen. #oldpeopleproblems
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Post by azucena on Jun 18, 2021 7:28:40 GMT -5
Tell her to look up large life insurance earning calls. My company paid $1.2 billion in excess claims last yr. Our claims data by geography aligns remarkably with CDC numbers. It's like a perfect actuarial case study. Facts no longer matter to them. But, these facts make perfect sense I am kind of curious to hear the potential spin on why all the big life ins companies would band together to tank their 2020 earnings, so someone please report back. What's particularly fascinating is that our data showed a credible increase in Feb 2020 claims in WA state. The other special state was Texas which went bad and then stayed there for months. Kind of the perfect red state example. And before our Iowa friends ask, we didn't see that same trend in part because Iowa doesn't have as many claims as one of our Northern states with consistently better mortality. We generally credit the North/South comparison with smoking, fried foods, and obesity.
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Post by Opti on Jun 18, 2021 7:35:17 GMT -5
Data in Iowa lags behind real time, especially with deaths. The man from my town who died a week ago won't show up in the official death county for about a month. Today they dumped a bunch of positives in to one county. Their website has been a disaster since the beginning. After all, Ashton Kutcher recommended the company to the Governor. The hospitalizations seem to be fairly current. They are way down, but starting to slowly increase. However, it's kids under 18 and the next age group who are being hospitalized. That does not surprise me. I field lots of calls from funeral directors wanting death certs now, and often with nursing the living take precedence over the paperwork of the dead.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 18, 2021 8:38:28 GMT -5
Facts no longer matter to them. But, these facts make perfect sense I am kind of curious to hear the potential spin on why all the big life ins companies would band together to tank their 2020 earnings, so someone please report back. What's particularly fascinating is that our data showed a credible increase in Feb 2020 claims in WA state. The other special state was Texas which went bad and then stayed there for months. Kind of the perfect red state example. And before our Iowa friends ask, we didn't see that same trend in part because Iowa doesn't have as many claims as one of our Northern states with consistently better mortality. We generally credit the North/South comparison with smoking, fried foods, and obesity. Yes, it will be interesting. Actuaries are really good at their jobs, which is why insurance companies make money. They are also very good at predicting how many people die and from what causes. When there is a dramatic change in deaths, you know something has happened. But again, facts no longer matter.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 18, 2021 10:20:25 GMT -5
Facts no longer matter to them. But, these facts make perfect sense I am kind of curious to hear the potential spin on why all the big life ins companies would band together to tank their 2020 earnings, so someone please report back. What's particularly fascinating is that our data showed a credible increase in Feb 2020 claims in WA state. The other special state was Texas which went bad and then stayed there for months. Kind of the perfect red state example. And before our Iowa friends ask, we didn't see that same trend in part because Iowa doesn't have as many claims as one of our Northern states with consistently better mortality. We generally credit the North/South comparison with smoking, fried foods, and obesity. Wasn’t this about the time that COVID slammed into nursing homes? I remember watching the news and watching them haul bodies away.
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Post by azucena on Jun 18, 2021 10:30:29 GMT -5
Our increased claims 2/2020 Feb WA were across ages 18+.
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Post by Opti on Jun 18, 2021 11:46:49 GMT -5
I am kind of curious to hear the potential spin on why all the big life ins companies would band together to tank their 2020 earnings, so someone please report back. What's particularly fascinating is that our data showed a credible increase in Feb 2020 claims in WA state. The other special state was Texas which went bad and then stayed there for months. Kind of the perfect red state example. And before our Iowa friends ask, we didn't see that same trend in part because Iowa doesn't have as many claims as one of our Northern states with consistently better mortality. We generally credit the North/South comparison with smoking, fried foods, and obesity. Wasn’t this about the time that COVID slammed into nursing homes? I remember watching the news and watching them haul bodies away. Maybe by you? It was later in my facility and this area in general. It wasn't until February that we got lockdown and other protocols handed as we workers were expecting. I think the first bulge of deaths was more like April/May, for our non hospital setting. If I have time I might try to figure that out, but remembering much of this has been depressing enough. I don't really want to make a timeline, although, it would be easier if I decide to do something like that, before year end for my own history to share with family, etc.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 18, 2021 12:07:51 GMT -5
I am kind of curious to hear the potential spin on why all the big life ins companies would band together to tank their 2020 earnings, so someone please report back. What's particularly fascinating is that our data showed a credible increase in Feb 2020 claims in WA state. The other special state was Texas which went bad and then stayed there for months. Kind of the perfect red state example. And before our Iowa friends ask, we didn't see that same trend in part because Iowa doesn't have as many claims as one of our Northern states with consistently better mortality. We generally credit the North/South comparison with smoking, fried foods, and obesity. Wasn’t this about the time that COVID slammed into nursing homes? I remember watching the news and watching them haul bodies away. The first U.S. case was confirmed in Washington in mid-late January, 2020. The outbreak in the Kirkland nursing home and the first reported Covid deaths were in late February.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 18, 2021 12:11:03 GMT -5
This thread about brain changes and loss of brain tissue in Covid survivors is terrifying, and even in people who had mild cases
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 18, 2021 13:40:10 GMT -5
Wasn’t this about the time that COVID slammed into nursing homes? I remember watching the news and watching them haul bodies away. Maybe by you? It was later in my facility and this area in general. It wasn't until February that we got lockdown and other protocols handed as we workers were expecting. I think the first bulge of deaths was more like April/May, for our non hospital setting. If I have time I might try to figure that out, but remembering much of this has been depressing enough. I don't really want to make a timeline, although, it would be easier if I decide to do something like that, before year end for my own history to share with family, etc. WA got slammed in nursing homes much earlier than the rest of the US, I'm not remembering if it was Feb or March, but I know it was NOT as late as April or May. I am not sure how much of this was reported on national news, but it was all over the local news in WA.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 18, 2021 13:41:17 GMT -5
Wasn’t this about the time that COVID slammed into nursing homes? I remember watching the news and watching them haul bodies away. The first U.S. case was confirmed in Washington in mid-late January, 2020. The outbreak in the Kirkland nursing home and the first reported Covid deaths were in late February. That's what I thought. I do remember there being a time lag due to testing issues at the time so there was an outbreak of what was presumed to be COVID, but not verified for awhile.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 18, 2021 14:35:32 GMT -5
Yes I remember about Seattle being first to have Covid . At that time I was thinking it would be like the 2003 SARS which had cases in Vancouver and Toronto but fairly quickly ended.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 18, 2021 14:47:36 GMT -5
The first U.S. case was confirmed in Washington in mid-late January, 2020. The outbreak in the Kirkland nursing home and the first reported Covid deaths were in late February. That's what I thought. I do remember there being a time lag due to testing issues at the time so there was an outbreak of what was presumed to be COVID, but not verified for awhile. Yes, and the Trump administration was pressuring local health agencies to not do testing. It was doctors at (I think) Overlake Medical Center who ultimately ignored that pressure and started doing their own testing. If not for them even our failed national response would have been delayed much further.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 18, 2021 15:05:14 GMT -5
That's what I thought. I do remember there being a time lag due to testing issues at the time so there was an outbreak of what was presumed to be COVID, but not verified for awhile. Yes, and the Trump administration was pressuring local health agencies to not do testing. It was doctors at (I think) Overlake Medical Center who ultimately ignored that pressure and started doing their own testing. If not for them even our failed national response would have been delayed much further.Didn't the samples ultimately get sent to UW, for the flu lab that was already doing it? I seem to remember at that time that the UW lab was filling in. In fact, I think for a period of time the local offices got announcements that UW was testing for places where there was no testing available. While things were screwed up for awhile, had Inslee not gone to that governor's conference with Fauci, we would have been in a lot more hurt.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 18, 2021 15:45:35 GMT -5
Yes, and the Trump administration was pressuring local health agencies to not do testing. It was doctors at (I think) Overlake Medical Center who ultimately ignored that pressure and started doing their own testing. If not for them even our failed national response would have been delayed much further.Didn't the samples ultimately get sent to UW, for the flu lab that was already doing it? I seem to remember at that time that the UW lab was filling in. In fact, I think for a period of time the local offices got announcements that UW was testing for places where there was no testing available. While things were screwed up for awhile, had Inslee not gone to that governor's conference with Fauci, we would have been in a lot more hurt. I think so, but don't recall for sure. I know that initially only the CDC lab in Atlanta was doing very limited testing. They then sent out faulty test kits around the country. After that fiasco, they again tried to limit testing, but hospitals and labs in the Seattle area ultimately ignored that.
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Post by mollyc on Jun 19, 2021 12:40:37 GMT -5
Unless I missed something, MSNBC's graphics dept is asleep at the wheel. The EU is recommending that its members permit US travellers because of both regions vaccination and illness rates. The graphic started out showing the Islands and Mainland Europe and then zoomed in to London.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 15:23:38 GMT -5
I was sorry to see the court ruling on Friday regarding cruise lines sailing out of Florida and requiring proof of vaccination. Texas governor has signed an identical ban on vaccine proof which I'm sure will be challenged in court too. This means we won't be doing any ocean cruising in the future. It's one thing to spend a week on a river cruise with 200-300 people; it's a whole different ball game to spend a week on an ocean cruise with 3000-5000 people.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 19, 2021 16:35:39 GMT -5
I was sorry to see the court ruling on Friday regarding cruise lines sailing out of Florida and requiring proof of vaccination. Texas governor has signed an identical ban on vaccine proof which I'm sure will be challenged in court too. This means we won't be doing any ocean cruising in the future. It's one thing to spend a week on a river cruise with 200-300 people; it's a whole different ball game to spend a week on an ocean cruise with 3000-5000 people. My best guess is that ships are going to shift to ports where they can require proof of vaccination. That means that they can look at Puerto Rico or Louisiana instead. I don’t understand DeSantis’ logic about this. Tourism is a huge part of FL’s economy but all you have to do is see what happened on the Diamond Princess off of Japan last year to see what kind of mess you can have. He is really spiting FL for politics.
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I was sorry to see the court ruling on Friday regarding cruise lines sailing out of Florida and requiring proof of vaccination. Texas governor has signed an identical ban on vaccine proof which I'm sure will be challenged in court too. This means we won't be doing any ocean cruising in the future. It's one thing to spend a week on a river cruise with 200-300 people; it's a whole different ball game to spend a week on an ocean cruise with 3000-5000 people. My best guess is that ships are going to shift to ports where they can require proof of vaccination. That means that they can look at Puerto Rico or Louisiana instead. I don’t understand DeSantis’ logic about this. Tourism is a huge part of FL’s economy but all you have to do is see what happened on the Diamond Princess off of Japan last year to see what kind of mess you can have. He is really spiting FL for politics. Same for Galveston whose economy is based strongly on tourism, especially the cruise industry.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 19, 2021 19:00:04 GMT -5
The ONLY way I’d get on a cruise ship now is required vaccination
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 20, 2021 19:26:41 GMT -5
The $50 incentive for getting vaccinated will not be going on my FSA card for at least a month because of an "overwhelming response". We were told 7-10 days originally.
I'm just glad they got an overwhelming response from vaccinated federal employees and retirees.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 20, 2021 20:47:16 GMT -5
So on Tuesday CA removed (almost ) all restrictions. No more mandatory masks with very few exceptions such as public transportation, hospitals, etc., no more 6ft apart for those fully vaccinated or occupancy limits. I just have come back from the grocery store and masks were still everywhere. I saw exactly 2 men without a mask. All personnel was masked up. Note that the vaccination rate in this large city is over 80%. I really do live in nerd central. In other news DDIL, who cannot have the AsraZeneca vaccine per her cardiologist, will get her first Pfizer shot on Tuesday. I need to check with my youngest sister but my other five sibs are either fully or partially vaxxed. Things are looking up for my Xmas trip to Europe
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Post by Opti on Jun 20, 2021 22:13:09 GMT -5
Maybe by you? It was later in my facility and this area in general. It wasn't until February that we got lockdown and other protocols handed as we workers were expecting. I think the first bulge of deaths was more like April/May, for our non hospital setting. If I have time I might try to figure that out, but remembering much of this has been depressing enough. I don't really want to make a timeline, although, it would be easier if I decide to do something like that, before year end for my own history to share with family, etc. WA got slammed in nursing homes much earlier than the rest of the US, I'm not remembering if it was Feb or March, but I know it was NOT as late as April or May. I am not sure how much of this was reported on national news, but it was all over the local news in WA. IDK. Much of the news on TV here is very tri-state centric. They did report on Covid in WA, but nowhere near the detail you got. NJ/NY were actively scrambling in Feb 2020 concerning Covid, so I think the concern became more on what was going on here.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 20, 2021 22:42:52 GMT -5
WA got slammed in nursing homes much earlier than the rest of the US, I'm not remembering if it was Feb or March, but I know it was NOT as late as April or May. I am not sure how much of this was reported on national news, but it was all over the local news in WA. IDK. Much of the news on TV here is very tri-state centric. They did report on Covid in WA, but nowhere near the detail you got. NJ/NY were actively scrambling in Feb 2020 concerning Covid, so I think the concern became more on what was going on here. Probably early March, after Seattle. The first case confirmed in New York state was March 1, although the virus had been circulating earlier. The first deaths were March 14th.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 22, 2021 16:40:26 GMT -5
I don't know what happened in that school district, but in Iowa, a school can't force students to get a covid vaccine per the state legislature.
So this summer there will be lots of unvaccinated kids playing baseball and softball as there was last summer. There are no more covid protocols required as in distancing, masks, sanitizing, etc.
Since last summer, parents kids have hidden covid symptoms from coaches and other players and not gotten their kids tested. At one of the large high schools, a baseball team had to "pause" due to positive covid tests. One parent's child was sicker than the other kids so they took them to be tested and the child was positive. The saddest part was on social media the pause was all the fault of that kid and his parents because they got tested.
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