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Post by Opti on Jun 15, 2021 13:19:24 GMT -5
Just remind her there are things she can take if she does get the fever or chills. I got chills after the second shot, real bad, but two hours or less so I didn't take anything.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 15, 2021 21:31:15 GMT -5
Well, NY declared 70% vaccinated today! Release the floodgates. Back to normal. Cue the fireworks!
Color me not impressed - that's 70% of NY adults, with at least one shot. Not fully vaccinated, not everyone.
And all the idiot unmask-our-kids parents are whining on social media about the poor, put-upon children, forced to endure wearing masks, passing out from the heat (it's been barely 70 this week) and being transported to emergency rooms...seriously? ALL THE KIDS UNDER 12 ARE UNVACCINATED, people! They aren't included in that 70% who did the right thing (not their fault, just not allowed, yet), they don't get to unmask. They are still at risk. Why is this so hard for PARENTS to understand?
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Post by haapai on Jun 15, 2021 22:49:16 GMT -5
Well, NY declared 70% vaccinated today! Release the floodgates. Back to normal. Cue the fireworks! Color me not impressed - that's 70% of NY adults, with at least one shot. Not fully vaccinated, not everyone. And all the idiot unmask-our-kids parents are whining on social media about the poor, put-upon children, forced to endure wearing masks, passing out from the heat (it's been barely 70 this week) and being transported to emergency rooms...seriously? ALL THE KIDS UNDER 12 ARE UNVACCINATED, people! They aren't included in that 70% who did the right thing (not their fault, just not allowed, yet), they don't get to unmask. They are still at risk. Why is this so hard for PARENTS to understand? OH HELL YEAH! THERE WAY TOO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE WHO CANNOT POSSIBLY BE FULLY VACCINATED FOLLOWING THEIR PARENTS AROUND IN INDOOR PUBLIC SPACES! You're understating the case by saying that only the under 12s are unvaccinated. At this point in time, the 12-16s aren't fully vaccinated either. They are only eligible for Pfizer and getting fully vaccinated takes at least five weeks. The Pfizer shot has not been available to them for long enough for the 12-16 crowd to be fully vaccinated (unless their parents enrolled them in a clinical study and they were in the non-placebo group). I've been working in a grocery store since this shit started, and nothing makes me lose it more than seeing unmasked 3-footers trailing their parents around the store. I'm fully vaccinated and have been for almost a month, so these kids and their parents are minimal risk to me or anyone that I may be in contact with, but seeing them just freaks me out! For some darned reason, I was able to deal with un-masked and face-shielded adults when numbers were high, but I lose my crap when I see the un-masked youngsters who cannot possibly be vaccinated.
I think that I am losing it because the parents are teaching their kids that they don't have any responsibility towards others. I could deal with danger, but I lose it when parents are teaching their kids to be jerks.
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Post by Opti on Jun 15, 2021 22:54:06 GMT -5
Well, NY declared 70% vaccinated today! Release the floodgates. Back to normal. Cue the fireworks! Color me not impressed - that's 70% of NY adults, with at least one shot. Not fully vaccinated, not everyone. And all the idiot unmask-our-kids parents are whining on social media about the poor, put-upon children, forced to endure wearing masks, passing out from the heat (it's been barely 70 this week) and being transported to emergency rooms...seriously? ALL THE KIDS UNDER 12 ARE UNVACCINATED, people! They aren't included in that 70% who did the right thing (not their fault, just not allowed, yet), they don't get to unmask. They are still at risk. Why is this so hard for PARENTS to understand? I understand. 70% vaccinated to me means at least 70% of people with both shots or J&J. Strictly speaking I would consider the milestone reached two weeks after the second shot or the J&J one. Thanks for posting this. I might write Gov. Murphy and request he celebrate on the fully vaccinated stat. NY has been doing better than NJ on the positivity rate, at least when I track it. We are more dense population wise, so sadly its not surprising. I hope NJ has finally hit 50% fully vaccinated.
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Post by busymom on Jun 15, 2021 23:36:24 GMT -5
The college that DD attended has announced that ALL students must be vaccinated before returning to campus this Fall. Probably a good idea, considering the Delta variant of Covid sounds pretty bad.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Jun 16, 2021 7:29:30 GMT -5
I'm a parent of an under 12 and while I don't encourage licking doorknobs and didn't enroll him in full-time summer care this year, he goes to activities unmasked. The risk level to that age group is so incredibly small. Last I saw they made up less than 1/2 of 1% of the serious cases. If all age groups were affected like them Covid would have never shut the country down. We probably would have never even heard about it, it would have just been considered another flu variant.
Not saying don't eventually get them vaccinated after they're sure it's safe for kids, but I think 70% vaccination rate in over 12 is still cause for celebration. My entire state is down to less cases per day than my little county of 50K had per day 6 months ago.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jun 16, 2021 7:47:39 GMT -5
Here in Wisconsin on vacation, hardly anyone is masked-- including kids. Can't really in the water park, but everywhere else indoors I'm making them, and also wearing one myself. Too many random people from all over to depend on any type of herd immunity here (not that their immunization rates here are likely close to that--probably not).
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 16, 2021 7:53:29 GMT -5
Well, NY declared 70% vaccinated today! Release the floodgates. Back to normal. Cue the fireworks! Color me not impressed - that's 70% of NY adults, with at least one shot. Not fully vaccinated, not everyone. And all the idiot unmask-our-kids parents are whining on social media about the poor, put-upon children, forced to endure wearing masks, passing out from the heat (it's been barely 70 this week) and being transported to emergency rooms...seriously? ALL THE KIDS UNDER 12 ARE UNVACCINATED, people! They aren't included in that 70% who did the right thing (not their fault, just not allowed, yet), they don't get to unmask. They are still at risk. Why is this so hard for PARENTS to understand? I understand. 70% vaccinated to me means at least 70% of people with both shots or J&J. Strictly speaking I would consider the milestone reached two weeks after the second shot or the J&J one. Thanks for posting this. I might write Gov. Murphy and request he celebrate on the fully vaccinated stat. NY has been doing better than NJ on the positivity rate, at least when I track it. We are more dense population wise, so sadly its not surprising. I hope NJ has finally hit 50% fully vaccinated. Hmm, looking on the state vaccination tracker this morning it says: People with at least one dose 55.9% of total population 67.6% of age 18+ People with completed vaccine series 49.6% of total population 60.6% of age 18+ Data as of 6/15 11am None of those are 70%. For my region: People with at least one dose 54.2% of total population 64.9% of age 18+ People with completed vaccine series 48.2% of total population 58.4% of age 18+ For my county: 53.0% of population with at least one dose 63.5% of 18+ with at least one dose For county next door, where I shop (different region with higher overall numbers, but this is a very rural county abutting my rural side of a split urban/rural county; probably better proxy for my town): 43.6% of population with at least one dose 52.0% of 18+ with at least one dose
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Post by Opti on Jun 16, 2021 8:06:16 GMT -5
I understand. 70% vaccinated to me means at least 70% of people with both shots or J&J. Strictly speaking I would consider the milestone reached two weeks after the second shot or the J&J one. Thanks for posting this. I might write Gov. Murphy and request he celebrate on the fully vaccinated stat. NY has been doing better than NJ on the positivity rate, at least when I track it. We are more dense population wise, so sadly its not surprising. I hope NJ has finally hit 50% fully vaccinated. Hmm, looking on the state vaccination tracker this morning it says: People with at least one dose 55.9% of total population 67.6% of age 18+ People with completed vaccine series 49.6% of total population 60.6% of age 18+ Data as of 6/15 11am None of those are 70%. For my region: People with at least one dose 54.2% of total population 64.9% of age 18+ People with completed vaccine series 48.2% of total population 58.4% of age 18+ For my county: 53.0% of population with at least one dose 63.5% of 18+ with at least one dose For county next door, where I shop (different region with higher overall numbers, but this is a very rural county abutting my rural side of a split urban/rural county; probably better proxy for my town): 43.6% of population with at least one dose 52.0% of 18+ with at least one dose Looked last night at NJ's stats I don't remember from where. We had passed 50% fully vaccinated and were at something like 62.9% of the population has at least one shot. I think the stats vary a bit on freshness and accuracy. Probably best to pull from the state site for the most current info. But I do believe you, declaring 70% must have been premature and sadly may have been met on a technicality. Bad optics, and sloppy if correct. I only saw part of his speech and handing out plaques. Maybe its really the low positivity rate that is driving the opening up of NY. I hope people notice, as I did, masks are still required on public transport and healthcare settings.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 16, 2021 8:25:31 GMT -5
Googling, it seems the NY 70% number is per the CDC. Looking for confirmation of that, the CDC page has national numbers, and a map - click on your state for more info. That links to NYS's Covid vaccine tracker page, where I got my numbers. Though I did read a caveat that CDC is tracking *where* a dose was administered, not residency. Well, everyone I know in my town got their vaccine in some other county, because availability was impossible here. DH got his in big metro county south of us where he works. Coworker and many others traveled to another region to city #3. Boss and I found a firehall clinic in next door rural county. Some friends drove 3 hours to city #4. I drove my kids to a college town in another region (only place I could get Pfizer for 16yo). That's at least 5 different counties in 3 different regions, and none of us live there.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 16, 2021 9:29:54 GMT -5
It had been announced last week that Seattle was the first major city to be 70% vaccinated for residents 12 and older. It has now been announced that King County (where Seattle is located) is now 70% vaccinated, with 77.8% having received at least one dose. King County is now the largest county in the country to reach 70%. Our mask directive, which urged continued use of masks in indoor areas, will be dropped on June 29th, and all economic restrictions will be lifted June 30th. Washington's economy has already been listed by at least one publication as having best survived the pandemic among the fifty states, and we are still 47th in cases per million population. Gee, I wonder if there is any correlation between those statistics?
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Post by Opti on Jun 16, 2021 9:57:55 GMT -5
It had been announced last week that Seattle was the first major city to be 70% vaccinated for residents 12 and older. It has now been announced that King County (where Seattle is located) is now 70% vaccinated, with 77.8% having received at least one dose. King County is now the largest county in the country to reach 70%. Our mask directive, which urged continued use of masks in indoor areas, will be dropped on June 29th, and all economic restrictions will be lifted June 30th. Washington's economy has already been listed by at least one publication as having best survived the pandemic among the fifty states, and we are still 47th in cases per million population. Gee, I wonder if there is any correlation between those statistics? But that 70% is the same as the NY's announced 70%. It is all people who have had at least one vaccine shot. In the facility I work at you have to be fully vaccinated to be marked and treated as such. That means a minimum of two weeks after your last vaccine shot if Pfizer or Moderna. And as expected two weeks after J&J. We also have to have proof of this, i.e. a vaccination card, or a healthcare provider verifying your status if the card has been lost. I don't think anywhere in the US is even 60% vaccinated, but I haven't looked since state survey started. Of course we are due for the survey to come through for the other part, so I expect our summer fun will continue. I would like things to finally, finally get simpler instead of more complex. Anyone know if allergy season or sinus season summer version is worse this year?
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Post by tallguy on Jun 16, 2021 10:17:09 GMT -5
It had been announced last week that Seattle was the first major city to be 70% vaccinated for residents 12 and older. It has now been announced that King County (where Seattle is located) is now 70% vaccinated, with 77.8% having received at least one dose. King County is now the largest county in the country to reach 70%. Our mask directive, which urged continued use of masks in indoor areas, will be dropped on June 29th, and all economic restrictions will be lifted June 30th. Washington's economy has already been listed by at least one publication as having best survived the pandemic among the fifty states, and we are still 47th in cases per million population. Gee, I wonder if there is any correlation between those statistics? But that 70% is the same as the NY's announced 70%. It is all people who have had at least one vaccine shot. In the facility I work at you have to be fully vaccinated to be marked and treated as such. That means a minimum of two weeks after your last vaccine shot if Pfizer or Moderna. And as expected two weeks after J&J. We also have to have proof of this, i.e. a vaccination card, or a healthcare provider verifying your status if the card has been lost. I don't think anywhere in the US is even 60% vaccinated, but I haven't looked since state survey started. Of course we are due for the survey to come through for the other part, so I expect our summer fun will continue. I would like things to finally, finally get simpler instead of more complex. Anyone know if allergy season or sinus season summer version is worse this year? Read again. 77.8% have received at least one dose. The June 29th date was picked because it will be two weeks after the second dose for those who are now making up the 70%.
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Post by Opti on Jun 16, 2021 10:26:47 GMT -5
But that 70% is the same as the NY's announced 70%. It is all people who have had at least one vaccine shot. In the facility I work at you have to be fully vaccinated to be marked and treated as such. That means a minimum of two weeks after your last vaccine shot if Pfizer or Moderna. And as expected two weeks after J&J. We also have to have proof of this, i.e. a vaccination card, or a healthcare provider verifying your status if the card has been lost. I don't think anywhere in the US is even 60% vaccinated, but I haven't looked since state survey started. Of course we are due for the survey to come through for the other part, so I expect our summer fun will continue. I would like things to finally, finally get simpler instead of more complex. Anyone know if allergy season or sinus season summer version is worse this year? Read again. 77.8% have received at least one dose. The June 29th date was picked because it will be two weeks after the second dose for those who are now making up the 70%. Read this. Prove it, do the usual and post a link.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 16, 2021 10:45:54 GMT -5
Online published numbers are always going to lag announcements by the state. The governor is getting their data n real time directly from the PH/CDC, not the newest update of a website. There is real time data, and compiled data. I HATED providing real time data because it was a constant chore to update each time information came in (especially with other stuff going on). The data that most websites provide are those that are 1-2 weeks old is my best guess knowing how things run. The website may be updated on 6/16, but it is entirely possible it only includes information up to 6/2.
I have heard Inslee’s news conference announcing the latest King county results. I am pretty positive that he isn’t getting his information where the general public does not.
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Post by Opti on Jun 16, 2021 10:51:53 GMT -5
You think data entry is that behind for state websites? I would expect both NY and WA to do better than that, but its quite possible that's unlikely in our current state of pandemicness.
I'm trying to remind myself to wait for the two year clock to hit, like 2022 first or second quarter depending where you live.
P.S. TG has fingers, surely he could find a clip by tonight when its posted to the internet.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 16, 2021 11:19:01 GMT -5
You think data entry is that behind for state websites? I would expect both NY and WA to do better than that, but its quite possible that's unlikely in our current state of pandemicness. I'm trying to remind myself to wait for the two year clock to hit, like 2022 first or second quarter depending where you live. P.S. TG has fingers, surely he could find a clip by tonight when its posted to the internet. No, I don’t think data entry is behind. I think that web updates are using older data when they update. The governor and other officials get data in real time.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 16, 2021 11:42:21 GMT -5
You think data entry is that behind for state websites? I would expect both NY and WA to do better than that, but its quite possible that's unlikely in our current state of pandemicness. I'm trying to remind myself to wait for the two year clock to hit, like 2022 first or second quarter depending where you live. P.S. TG has fingers, surely he could find a clip by tonight when its posted to the internet. link
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Post by pooks on Jun 16, 2021 12:59:05 GMT -5
I went to the mall yesterday and almost no one was masked, just some employees. Idaho has a horrible vaccination rate and all the children I saw aren't even eligible. Went for the mammogram on Monday and the woman in the waiting room had her mask below her chin. Idiot state.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 16, 2021 13:06:06 GMT -5
tallguy - please edit your post above. The reason should be obvious.
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Post by Opti on Jun 16, 2021 13:30:35 GMT -5
You think data entry is that behind for state websites? I would expect both NY and WA to do better than that, but its quite possible that's unlikely in our current state of pandemicness. I'm trying to remind myself to wait for the two year clock to hit, like 2022 first or second quarter depending where you live. P.S. TG has fingers, surely he could find a clip by tonight when its posted to the internet. No, I don’t think data entry is behind. I think that web updates are using older data when they update. The governor and other officials get data in real time. It shouldn't though. If its in the db, or databases, a well designed system should formatted data at least daily. If less well designed, a dba should already have canned queries that run to update the website without human intervention. It should pickup what's there, possibly backstopping and missing incomplete data entry. This is MO based on working in pharma with Data base administrators regularly for various clinical missions. (This was one of the jobs where I worked as a UNIX admin where we had regular updates on OSes etc. from Sun and Oracle.)
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Post by Opti on Jun 16, 2021 13:32:17 GMT -5
On the other hand, its the govt. It might be Microsoftian. Therefore SQL and smaller less robust database(s).
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 16, 2021 14:13:04 GMT -5
No, I don’t think data entry is behind. I think that web updates are using older data when they update. The governor and other officials get data in real time. It shouldn't though. If its in the db, or databases, a well designed system should formatted data at least daily. If less well designed, a dba should already have canned queries that run to update the website without human intervention. It should pickup what's there, possibly backstopping and missing incomplete data entry. This is MO based on working in pharma with Data base administrators regularly for various clinical missions. (This was one of the jobs where I worked as a UNIX admin where we had regular updates on OSes etc. from Sun and Oracle.) Since the US has skimped on public health infrastructure for the last 30 years, you can’t compare it to pharma.....at all. Just because this is the way pharma collects data, you are looking about defined systems, which are organized and serviced under a single system within a single company. In the US you are looking at 50 different state run public health departments, which are collecting hundreds of pieces of data from XX number of county health departments.
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Post by Opti on Jun 16, 2021 14:29:06 GMT -5
It shouldn't though. If its in the db, or databases, a well designed system should formatted data at least daily. If less well designed, a dba should already have canned queries that run to update the website without human intervention. It should pickup what's there, possibly backstopping and missing incomplete data entry. This is MO based on working in pharma with Data base administrators regularly for various clinical missions. (This was one of the jobs where I worked as a UNIX admin where we had regular updates on OSes etc. from Sun and Oracle.) Since the US has skimped on public health infrastructure for the last 30 years, you can’t compare it to pharma.....at all. Just because this is the way pharma collects data, you are looking about defined systems, which are organized and serviced under a single system within a single company. In the US you are looking at 50 different state run public health departments, which are collecting hundreds of pieces of data from XX number of county health departments. I know, but if data entry is current, then? HAHA, a no. They are better defined generally, but do not assume any large company is cohesive and not using computers and systems that are current. Some have better turn over plans now. But in that particular pharma, 56 databases lived on one machine. The MSDS safety data sheets lived on a small old box and the lowest level of Solaris UNIX in the building. At an AT&T Lucent faciliity I got to see my first 3B2 and 8 inch floppy. This was the end of the 90s for those in the technical know. My contract job I got laid off from in 2006, had a NT 4.0 server that ran a critical invoice. I did serious jerry rigging to get that thing to run every month. It was the one thing I got calls for after they had offed my job. And like big Pharma, I finally said no to help a few months in. The company(s) did not think I was worth keeping longer, than neither is the knowledge and skills apparently only I have.
I've worked at many companies, and have good contacts with former coworkers who have worked at many more. NJ in Trenton does have UNIX boxes. That doesn't mean they use them everywhere they should. True story. I worked on the UNIX team at Toys R Us which also had a Microsoft team and a mainframe team. Sadly, the first shopping website for Toys or Babys was a cluster f of I think 100 MS servers. Part of team went to check on our systems, and pretty much shared this opinion - 1) I could do that in 5 UNIX servers it would work better and be fully redundant. And 2) No wonder its a hot mess.
Yes I don't know what I don't know. And I have seen things that should not happen. But if the company outsources the coding to India ... well I am no longer surprised about quality issues out of India or China.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 16, 2021 15:16:41 GMT -5
Data in Iowa lags behind real time, especially with deaths. The man from my town who died a week ago won't show up in the official death county for about a month. Today they dumped a bunch of positives in to one county. Their website has been a disaster since the beginning. After all, Ashton Kutcher recommended the company to the Governor. The hospitalizations seem to be fairly current. They are way down, but starting to slowly increase. However, it's kids under 18 and the next age group who are being hospitalized.
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Post by busymom on Jun 17, 2021 19:36:34 GMT -5
Aw carp! I got a call from an old friend I haven't heard from in years, and she won't get the shot. She's convinced it causes miscarriages & sterilizes young women, and because she already has some health issues, she won't touch it. She lives in a senior community, too. Oh, and the government data on deaths from Covid is all fabricated, too. I wonder what pulmonarymd would have to say about this?
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Post by empress of self-improvement on Jun 17, 2021 19:42:51 GMT -5
Data in Iowa lags behind real time, especially with deaths. The man from my town who died a week ago won't show up in the official death county for about a month. Today they dumped a bunch of positives in to one county. Their website has been a disaster since the beginning. After all, Ashton Kutcher recommended the company to the Governor. The hospitalizations seem to be fairly current. They are way down, but starting to slowly increase. However, it's kids under 18 and the next age group who are being hospitalized. I'm sorry, WHAT?!?!!?! That has to be the stupidest thing I have read lately. I can't say ever because I've other stupid things. Well, all the more reason why I loathe Ashton Kutcher.
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Post by azucena on Jun 17, 2021 19:43:52 GMT -5
Tell her to look up large life insurance earning calls. My company paid $1.2 billion in excess claims last yr. Our claims data by geography aligns remarkably with CDC numbers. It's like a perfect actuarial case study.
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Data in Iowa lags behind real time, especially with deaths. The man from my town who died a week ago won't show up in the official death county for about a month. Today they dumped a bunch of positives in to one county. Their website has been a disaster since the beginning. After all, Ashton Kutcher recommended the company to the Governor. The hospitalizations seem to be fairly current. They are way down, but starting to slowly increase. However, it's kids under 18 and the next age group who are being hospitalized. I'm sorry, WHAT?!?!!?! That has to be the stupidest thing I have read lately. I can't say ever because I've other stupid things. Well, all the more reason why I loathe Ashton Kutcher. Apparently, Kutcher is a donor and recommended some start up company from Utah that had no background in this. I think two more states used them also. Also three states have had problems, but Kutcher got his picture taken with the Gov
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