Vaccinated

[pulmonarymd]

I guess you do not believe plan for the worst and hope for the best. Too bad.

Initially, there was concern this spread by contact. Remember the run on Clorox and wipes. Masks would have been ineffective if that was the case.

I’m done. It is clear you know more than me, disregard facts, and want to argue. Have fun

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 5, 2021 16:37:24 GMT -5 Ryan said:

Feb 4, 2021 19:20:57 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

why are you so combative when presented with science, fact, statistics? it's tiring.

*I'm a few days behind catching up on this thread, sorry if anyone else has already made a similar observation.

I have to admit, I get a little annoyed sometimes with the way docs answer questions.  I think it's pretty clear that I was asking anecdotally how patients that had COVID react to the 2nd shot. If you don't know anyone that had COVID and got the 2nd shot, I would expect an answer like "I don't personally know anyone that had covid and got the 2nd shot" or maybe "I know a few, but their reactions were all different".  Instead he said "We don't know the answer to to that", which leads me to wonder if who the "we" are (science? the hospital?  his fellow doctors?) 

  

I had severe covid and get my second shot on 2/23.  I will let you know how I make out!  I'm already prepared for some serious side-effects based on my reaction to the first shot.  Hope for the best but prepare for the worst!

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 5, 2021 18:23:19 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Feb 5, 2021 18:00:48 GMT -5 Ryan said:

I think the only thing that they botched was the mask wearing recommendations.  Not sure who signed off on that, China had plenty of experience with this and they were all wearing masks.  

So it sounds like you make it the worst case scenario because people don't listen.  Do you think people don't listen because it's always the worst case scenario?  I think your approach works better with a patient one on one where you can see that they are not taking it seriously so you have to lay it on.  It doesn't work when you're communicating with the public because if you're always overplaying it, you'll lose trust.  

It is not based in worst case scenario but on a harm reduction basis. Believing the best case vs worst case scenario leads to major negative consequences. Just look at our current situation. Trump kept up a positive drumbeat and acted on that. We would be in a much better situation if we acted to reduce harm.

And enough with the masks. Mistakes will always be made in a pandemic. The way this spreads was not well understood in early spring. Once better information was obtained, recommendations change. Our treatment has evolved as well. Or do you think we should have known all of that at the outset as well. As to China, as always, they were not transparent. If the were more forthcoming with information, some of our early mistakes could have been avoided. If we were willing to listen, a big unknown

Except Fauci has come out and said one of the main reasons they told people that masks weren't necessary is because there was a lack of PPE and they didn't want people to take the supply away from healthcare workers.  I understand why he did it but it does lead to some not trusting what he says.  

[jerseygirl]

Kroger’s will pay employees $100 to get vaccinated.

www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUSKBN2A52SJ

[movingforward]

Feb 5, 2021 22:05:48 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Feb 5, 2021 18:23:19 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It is not based in worst case scenario but on a harm reduction basis. Believing the best case vs worst case scenario leads to major negative consequences. Just look at our current situation. Trump kept up a positive drumbeat and acted on that. We would be in a much better situation if we acted to reduce harm.

And enough with the masks. Mistakes will always be made in a pandemic. The way this spreads was not well understood in early spring. Once better information was obtained, recommendations change. Our treatment has evolved as well. Or do you think we should have known all of that at the outset as well. As to China, as always, they were not transparent. If the were more forthcoming with information, some of our early mistakes could have been avoided. If we were willing to listen, a big unknown

Except Fauci has come out and said one of the main reasons they told people that masks weren't necessary is because there was a lack of PPE and they didn't want people to take the supply away from healthcare workers.  I understand why he did it but it does lead to some not trusting what he says.  

I'm also going to say that the medical community needs to figure out how they are going to sell this thing. We keep being told that they don't know if those that have been vaccinated can transmit the disease, but yet we are being told we need to get 70-80% of the population vaccinated to achieve herd immunity which "will protect those that aren't vaccinated or those that the vaccine doesn't work on." If you are really trying to sell herd immunity then you can't keep saying you don't know if the vaccine prevents transmission.

Oh, and my 2nd dose is scheduled for tomorrow. YAY!!

[Opti]

Feb 5, 2021 21:29:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I guess you do not believe plan for the worst and hope for the best. Too bad.

Initially, there was concern this spread by contact. Remember the run on Clorox and wipes. Masks would have been ineffective if that was the case.

I’m done. It is clear you know more than me, disregard facts, and want to argue. Have fun

And new stuff constantly is discovered and/or released in a more public friendly format. I found this yesterday regarding Covid and the pancreas.


www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-one-part-of-your-body-you-didn-t-know-covid-infects-new-study-says/ss-BB1drThI?ocid=msedgntp

Feb. 3 paper published in the journal Nature Metabolism found that the novel coronavirus specifically attacks the pancreas, causing a range of potentially long-lasting consequences.

[raeoflyte]

Feb 7, 2021 8:10:48 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Feb 5, 2021 22:05:48 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Except Fauci has come out and said one of the main reasons they told people that masks weren't necessary is because there was a lack of PPE and they didn't want people to take the supply away from healthcare workers.  I understand why he did it but it does lead to some not trusting what he says.  

I'm also going to say that the medical community needs to figure out how they are going to sell this thing. We keep being told that they don't know if those that have been vaccinated can transmit the disease, but yet we are being told we need to get 70-80% of the population vaccinated to achieve herd immunity which "will protect those that aren't vaccinated or those that the vaccine doesn't work on." If you are really trying to sell herd immunity then you can't keep saying you don't know if the vaccine prevents transmission.

Oh, and my 2nd dose is scheduled for tomorrow. YAY!!

If 70-80% are vaccinated there shouldn't there be far less virus to go around.
Even if transmission is still possible, it should be reduced significantly to still protect those who can't be vaccinated. I think at least?

I don't want medicine, or science sold to me. That was the issue with masks. They don't work, to they protect others, to yes they work to protect yourself and others, wear a freaking mask.

[movingforward]

Feb 7, 2021 9:22:18 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Feb 7, 2021 8:10:48 GMT -5 movingforward said:

I'm also going to say that the medical community needs to figure out how they are going to sell this thing. We keep being told that they don't know if those that have been vaccinated can transmit the disease, but yet we are being told we need to get 70-80% of the population vaccinated to achieve herd immunity which "will protect those that aren't vaccinated or those that the vaccine doesn't work on." If you are really trying to sell herd immunity then you can't keep saying you don't know if the vaccine prevents transmission.

Oh, and my 2nd dose is scheduled for tomorrow. YAY!!

If 70-80% are vaccinated there shouldn't there be far less virus to go around.
Even if transmission is still possible, it should be reduced significantly to still protect those who can't be vaccinated. I think at least?

I don't want medicine, or science sold to me. That was the issue with masks. They don't work, to they protect others, to yes they work to protect yourself and others, wear a freaking mask.

When I say selling it, I don't really mean it in the literal sense...what I mean is figure out the best way to give the public the truth and without contradicting yourself. You are right, if 70-80% of the public is vaccinated then hospitalizations and deaths go down but that is not what they are saying. They keep saying herd immunity and fauci has specifically said we need to reach herd immunity "to PROTECT those that haven't been vaccinated or those for which vaccine doesn't work on." You can't say that and then turn around and say you don't know if the vaccine prevents transmission. It's a contradiction and it causes loss of trust for some people. Not ME, but some people are taking it as if we can all still pass this thing around then what is the point of herd immunity. I'm just saying things I have heard from other people in my community. People cling to things, just like they did with the mask situation.

[Ryan]

Feb 5, 2021 21:29:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I guess you do not believe plan for the worst and hope for the best. Too bad.

Initially, there was concern this spread by contact. Remember the run on Clorox and wipes. Masks would have been ineffective if that was the case.

I’m done. It is clear you know more than me, disregard facts, and want to argue. Have fun

I don't think that people in the know though it spread by contact, or at least primarily by contact.  The Chinese were wearing masks from day 1, people buying Clorox were also the same people buying toilet paper.  It would be one thing if the medical community told you to wear masks AND Clorox everything, but they didn't....they told you NOT to wear masks.  So basically they completely got it wrong and then later were saying they just didn't want everyone to run out and buy masks.

[Ryan]

Feb 7, 2021 9:37:03 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Feb 7, 2021 9:22:18 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

If 70-80% are vaccinated there shouldn't there be far less virus to go around.
Even if transmission is still possible, it should be reduced significantly to still protect those who can't be vaccinated. I think at least?

I don't want medicine, or science sold to me. That was the issue with masks. They don't work, to they protect others, to yes they work to protect yourself and others, wear a freaking mask.

When I say selling it, I don't really mean it in the literal sense...what I mean is figure out the best way to give the public the truth and without contradicting yourself. You are right, if 70-80% of the public is vaccinated then hospitalizations and deaths go down but that is not what they are saying. They keep saying herd immunity and fauci has specifically said we need to reach herd immunity "to PROTECT those that haven't been vaccinated or those for which vaccine doesn't work on." You can't say that and then turn around and say you don't know if the vaccine prevents transmission. It's a contradiction and it causes loss of trust for some people. Not ME, but some people are taking it as if we can all still pass this thing around then what is the point of herd immunity. I'm just saying things I have heard from other people in my community. People cling to things, just like they did with the mask situation.

I agree with this.  The medical community hedge so much that it leaves a void open for non-medical people to speculate and offer advice, then they get mad when nobody listens to them.  

[stillmovingforward]

2nd shot done! This time, I didn't have the burning sensation in my arm afterwards. We'll see how it goes tomorrow.

[stillmovingforward]

Feb 7, 2021 17:34:30 GMT -5 stillmovingforward said:

2nd shot done! This time, I didn't have the burning sensation in my arm afterwards. We'll see how it goes tomorrow.

Next day, my arm is a little sore, like it got a really good workout. I've been moving and stretching it since I got the shot so I think that helped with the soreness. I haven't had any other symptoms.
FYI- I was in the right place at the right time for my first shot. It was a left over from essential workers. They automatically scheduled me for the second but i didn't know that. I did have to call them to find out if I was scheduled. They didn't give me a choice for the date and time. When I called, I was told when to be there with no options. Which was fine for me since I really appreciated them putting the shot in my arm instead of the garbage.

[plugginaway22]

Received 2nd Pfizer vaccination today, Yay!

Still don't have an appointment for my elderly Mother, but I do have her set up on waiting lists.

[NastyWoman]

So I just scored an appointment for Wednesday (Levi Stadium will open as a county wide vaccination center tomorrow) and now I have a question: I am a leftie who sleeps on her right side. Normally I have any shots in my right arm but this shot seems to be somewhat worse than the regular stuff. Is that true? I prefer to be able to sleep so I am just trying to find out what would be best. Any input appreciated

[stillmovingforward]

I didn't really have much of a problem with mine. The more I used my arm, the more the soreness went away. My writing arm has massive amounts of scar tissue so I got it in thr other arm. Neither shot bothered me enough to not be able to work or sleep.
Remember to sign up for v-safe! So you can give feedback on your symptoms. Its been a fun little exercise.

[NastyWoman]

What is vsafe all about? I am totally caught off guard as I did not think this would happen for many more months due to Kaiser getting short changed in vaccine supplies

[Ryan]

Feb 8, 2021 15:58:24 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

What is vsafe all about? I am totally caught off guard as I did not think this would happen for many more months due to Kaiser getting short changed in vaccine supplies

I think it's just an app where you can report side effects from the vaccine.  

[stillmovingforward]

V-safe is a web based notification that records what shot and when you got it. They send an encrypted link every day and then you answer questions about how you feel in relation to getting the shot. Then down to every week, then you get the next shot, etc. Its run by thr CDC

[movingforward]

Received my 2nd dose this morning!

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Feb 4, 2021 14:07:05 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Feb 4, 2021 13:49:51 GMT -5 movingforward said:

I don't know...I've got mixed feelings. At this point I want as many people vaccinated as possible, especially high risk people.

I agree about getting as many as vaccinated as possible. But each state gets their allocations. I don’t want people taking our allotment of vaccines.

So we should tell the snowbirds who flock to places like Alabama and Florida to go home?  There's been some resentment, I know, and I think I read somewhere that Florida is taking a tough stance on this issue.  But I have mixed feelings about it.  We certainly appreciate their tourism $$$.

I'm not referring to people who fly in/out just to get the vaccine.  I am referring to those who come every year for a few months.

ETA: I get my first shot on Friday! 

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 8, 2021 18:23:01 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Feb 4, 2021 14:07:05 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I agree about getting as many as vaccinated as possible. But each state gets their allocations. I don’t want people taking our allotment of vaccines.

So we should tell the snowbirds who flock to places like Alabama and Florida to go home?  There's been some resentment, I know, and I think I read somewhere that Florida is taking a tough stance on this issue.  But I have mixed feelings about it.  We certainly appreciate their tourism $$$.

I'm not referring to people who fly in/out just to get the vaccine.  I am referring to those who come every year for a few months.

ETA: I get my first shot on Friday! 

That is a little different. Sounds like they are part year residents. In the case I posted about, they crossed state lines (which also broke the manadatkry quarantine mandate) to get a vaccine

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 8, 2021 15:38:05 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

So I just scored an appointment for Wednesday (Levy Stadium will open as a county wide vaccination center tomorrow) and now I have a question: I am a leftie who sleeps on her right side. Normally I have any shots in my right arm but this shot seems to be somewhat worse than the regular stuff. Is that true? I prefer to be able to sleep so I am just trying to find out what would be best. Any input appreciated

I couldn’t sleep the night that I had the shot. I wasn’t thinking and I got it in my right arm. I sleep on that arm and holy shit did it hurt. I had the shot at 7am and it didn’t get really sore until bed time. It was still sore the next day but not like that

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Feb 8, 2021 18:56:36 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Feb 8, 2021 18:23:01 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

So we should tell the snowbirds who flock to places like Alabama and Florida to go home?  There's been some resentment, I know, and I think I read somewhere that Florida is taking a tough stance on this issue.  But I have mixed feelings about it.  We certainly appreciate their tourism $$$.

I'm not referring to people who fly in/out just to get the vaccine.  I am referring to those who come every year for a few months.

ETA: I get my first shot on Friday! 

That is a little different. Sounds like they are part year residents. In the case I posted about, they crossed state lines (which also broke the mandatory quarantine mandate) to get a vaccine

Yes, but neither Alabama's or Florida's allotment of vaccine has been increased to cover these part-year residents.  There is some resentment since there isn't enough to even vaccinate the 65+ group.

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 8, 2021 19:27:03 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Feb 8, 2021 18:56:36 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

That is a little different. Sounds like they are part year residents. In the case I posted about, they crossed state lines (which also broke the mandatory quarantine mandate) to get a vaccine

Yes, but neither Alabama's or Florida's allotment of vaccine has been increased to cover these part-year residents.  There is some resentment since there isn't enough to even vaccinate the 65+ group.

Gotcha. And yes, that would make me angry. The northern states are benefiting

[ken a.k.a OMK]

In one county here in Md the second shot appointments for tomorrow and Wednesday have been cancelled because the vaccine didn't arrive. 

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Maryland Governor Hogan called on the federal government to supply vaccine for its tens of thousands if federal employees who live and work in Maryland, instead of having them fend for themselves.



The governor called on the federal government to use its own vaccine supply to vaccinate key federal agencies in Maryland, including the National Institutes of Health, where Dr. Anthony Fauci works, and the Food and Drug Administration, where the Johnson & Johnson vaccine candidate is currently under review for emergency use.



"Here's how crazy it is: We had the NIH and the FDA call me directly to beg for vaccines because the federal government hasn't provided them any," Hogan said.

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Feb 8, 2021 18:58:16 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Feb 8, 2021 15:38:05 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

So I just scored an appointment for Wednesday (Levy Stadium will open as a county wide vaccination center tomorrow) and now I have a question: I am a leftie who sleeps on her right side. Normally I have any shots in my right arm but this shot seems to be somewhat worse than the regular stuff. Is that true? I prefer to be able to sleep so I am just trying to find out what would be best. Any input appreciated

I couldn’t sleep the night that I had the shot. I wasn’t thinking and I got it in my right arm. I sleep on that arm and holy shit did it hurt. I had the shot at 7am and it didn’t get really sore until bed time. It was still sore the next day but not like that

I am one of people that rolls from one side to the other every couple of hours (mainly due to back problems). I remember rolling over in the middle of the night on my left arm, which received the injection, and whoa...that definitely jolted me awake. Lol! We will see how tonight goes. So far nothing but a sore arm again. I walked 3 miles this afternoon and did my back exercises.

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 8, 2021 20:25:32 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Feb 8, 2021 18:58:16 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I couldn’t sleep the night that I had the shot. I wasn’t thinking and I got it in my right arm. I sleep on that arm and holy shit did it hurt. I had the shot at 7am and it didn’t get really sore until bed time. It was still sore the next day but not like that

I am one of people that rolls from one side to the other every couple of hours (mainly due to back problems). I remember rolling over in the middle of the night on my left arm, which received the injection, and whoa...that definitely jolted me awake. Lol! We will see how tonight goes. So far nothing but a sore arm again. I walked 3 miles this afternoon and did my back exercises.

Right?? My husband rolled towards me to hug me and crushed my arm (ok, he probably barely touched it!lol)...omg! It hurt something awful!

Still better than the Covid.

[NastyWoman]

Thanks all. Left arm shot it is. Pillow in my back so I won't roll over at night. Thanks to a broken arm years ago I know that works for me

[raeoflyte]

Mom got her 2nd shot yesterday. In and out in 25 minutes. Much better than the first when she was standing outside in the wind and cold for an hour.

Dad gets his 2nd shot in 2 weeks. We'll still mask and distance, but we haven't even had outdoor get togethers since around halloween. I'm thinking Easter we can see each other in person. Go biking, play tennis. My folks are excited to try a not busy restaurant. I'm sure my mom will cut her hair, but I love how it looks now 1 year without, so I hope she decides to keep it that way for a while.