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Post by Ryan on May 14, 2021 11:30:43 GMT -5
I'm confused by the CDC recommendations on the mask wearing. Not so much their recommendation as to what it means at the state level. My state said they will ease mask wearing to allow with the CDC recommendations at some point in the near future. Does that mean that it's the honor system? State, local, business rules trump the CDC recommendations. But, yeah, it sounds like it's the honor system, especially for states that are actively banning vaccination verification apps. I don't want to be the mask/vax police at work for patrons coming in the door! So we may just continue to require masks as the fairest default until all children can get vaxxed (public library). But right now we are still under a state mask mandate, so not our call, yet. When my oldest started hearing about all the relaxing of the requirements, he said sarcastically "Well, I guess now that the adults are safe, the kids are left to fend for themselves"
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Post by haapai on May 14, 2021 11:35:08 GMT -5
Hersheypark posted it would be up to guests to follow the rules based on their vaccination status. I'm pretty sure an amusement park falls under a crowded situation in which Dr Fauci said even vaccinated people should still mask up. Good eye! What a wholesome, healthy, family-friendly outfit!
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Post by movingforward on May 14, 2021 11:40:13 GMT -5
People are fully capable of deciding if they feel safe going to Hershey Park...at some point people are responsible for themselves. It would certainly help if they would check vaccination passports though.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 14, 2021 11:47:32 GMT -5
I've been vaccinated and I can choose to wear my mask still. The crappy part to me is the ones who will lie about being vaccinated because they don't want to wear a mask. They suck. And there were many of them admitting that on their Facebook page yesterday when the change was announced.
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Post by jerseygirl on May 14, 2021 11:51:01 GMT -5
Will be buying ballet tics for the fall. Audience will be full capacity. That’s a LOT of people close together, I’ll wear a mask even with my full vaxx
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Post by swamp on May 14, 2021 11:53:42 GMT -5
I just scheduled appointments for my kids 13 and 15 to be vaccinated. I didn’t give them a choice.
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Post by movingforward on May 14, 2021 11:54:47 GMT -5
I've been vaccinated and I can choose to wear my mask still. The crappy part to me is the ones who will lie about being vaccinated because they don't want to wear a mask. They suck. And there were many of them admitting that on their Facebook page yesterday when the change was announced. Well, I fully agree that "dangling the carrot" of not having to wear a mask only works if companies are actually verifying. I've basically just given up on getting those that are resistant vaccinated. At some point we move on with life and they are on their own...
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Post by thyme4change on May 14, 2021 12:01:31 GMT -5
I've been vaccinated and I can choose to wear my mask still. The crappy part to me is the ones who will lie about being vaccinated because they don't want to wear a mask. They suck. And there were many of them admitting that on their Facebook page yesterday when the change was announced. Well, I fully agree that "dangling the carrot" of not having to wear a mask only works if companies are actually verifying. I've basically just given up on getting those that are resistant vaccinated. At some point we move on with life and they are on their own... I bet there are a lot of people who are vaxx-resistent, but still mask up. They are still afraid of Covid, they just want to 'wait and see' on the vaccine. Maybe a little extra push will get them over the hump.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 14, 2021 12:15:03 GMT -5
We in the UK are speeding up our vaccine program because we have quite a big seeding of the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Its more infectious than the UK variant B117 and we think it will soon become our dominant variant.(tripled in a week)
Just how much more infectious could have an effect on how quickly we open up....... or whether we get another surge.
Our older and vulnerable, who are vaccinated, seem to be getting protection from the vaccine...... but younger ones may spread it around.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 14, 2021 12:33:28 GMT -5
Will be buying ballet tics for the fall. Audience will be full capacity. That’s a LOT of people close together, I’ll wear a mask even with my full vaxx Yep, we just bought our tickets last night.
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Post by haapai on May 14, 2021 12:48:30 GMT -5
Spellbound454 , I think that this is a good time to tell you how grateful I am for you being on the thread and telling us what's going on on the other side of the pond. Your warnings about the variants that are circulating in the UK and the measures necessary to keep them under control are doing a lot to prepare us for what is very likely coming our way. I'm particularly grateful for the heads up because I live in Michigan which seems to get hit early by anything that is circulating in Europe. It makes no sense to me that this quite provincial place seems to get hit pretty much at the same time as NYC and harder than Chicago, but that's happened twice so far and I fully expect it to happen again.
You are my warning system for the variant that demonstrates immune escape. New York can't warn us on time and Michigan doesn't have the genomic testing capacity to even verify that a bad trend was accompanied by a new variant.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 12:53:12 GMT -5
I was pleasantly surprised to see employees enforcing mask wearing at my local post office. Even a person with a face shield was handed a mask to put on under it. She didn't make a stink, but an older woman woman did about having to put hers on. I think she was a whacko because she left the PO just ahead of us, ran a red light and almost hit a vehicle and changed lanes without signal cutting off another vehicle.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 14, 2021 13:05:52 GMT -5
State, local, business rules trump the CDC recommendations. But, yeah, it sounds like it's the honor system, especially for states that are actively banning vaccination verification apps. I don't want to be the mask/vax police at work for patrons coming in the door! So we may just continue to require masks as the fairest default until all children can get vaxxed (public library). But right now we are still under a state mask mandate, so not our call, yet. When my oldest started hearing about all the relaxing of the requirements, he said sarcastically "Well, I guess now that the adults are safe, the kids are left to fend for themselves" Our school system is trying to figure out what to do. All the teachers in my district are/should be vaccinated by now. However a lot of the kids aren't. There has been HUGE backlash in my area for them having a mask mandate to begin with. I've seen parents outside with signs protesting it. I do not envy them. I am 100% fine with my elementary aged kids still wearing masks in class. I would be fine with it even if I had kids who currently qualify because so many of their peers don't yet. However there are a shit ton of parents who aren't so here we go again.
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Post by haapai on May 14, 2021 13:10:43 GMT -5
When my oldest started hearing about all the relaxing of the requirements, he said sarcastically "Well, I guess now that the adults are safe, the kids are left to fend for themselves" Our school system is trying to figure out what to do. All the teachers in my district are/should be vaccinated by now. However a lot of the kids aren't. There has been HUGE backlash in my area for them having a mask mandate to begin with. I've seen parents outside with signs protesting it. I do not envy them. I am 100% fine with my elementary aged kids still wearing masks in class. I would be fine with it even if I had kids who currently qualify because so many of their peers don't yet. However there are a shit ton of parents who aren't so here we go again. Tell them that if they get their kids vaccinated, their kids won't have to quarantine and/or forfeit games whenever any other kid on the team tests positive.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 14, 2021 13:46:08 GMT -5
That's what the local superintendents have been telling parents who are coming to school board meetings and calling the school. They have two more weeks of school. Let's finish like this and in the fall it will hopefully be back to normal.
There is a student in Iowa suing a school district (without a lawyer) because mask wearing violates his rights as a Christian who does not believe in medical treatment and he is tired of being sent to detention every day. The suit reads like a 2nd grader wrote it.
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Post by busymom on May 14, 2021 13:54:14 GMT -5
I appreciate your reports too, Spellbound454. Living near a city with an international airport, this community will most likely take early hits on any of the new variants that come up. Good to know what's happening, and how well (or not so well) our vaccines are working against them.
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Post by Tiny on May 14, 2021 14:27:30 GMT -5
Will be buying ballet tics for the fall. Audience will be full capacity. That’s a LOT of people close together, I’ll wear a mask even with my full vaxx Yep, we just bought our tickets last night. I suspect the fall will see me back at the Opera (I'm hoping). But, I think we will need to see if hospitalizations and deaths spike in the next 4 to 8 weeks - as everyone goes back to breathing other people's air in enclosed spaces.
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Post by thyme4change on May 14, 2021 14:30:14 GMT -5
Will be buying ballet tics for the fall. Audience will be full capacity. That’s a LOT of people close together, I’ll wear a mask even with my full vaxx Yep, we just bought our tickets last night. Our theater was very clear about the rules - everyone masked, no exceptions. I am assuming that is patrons and does not include the performers.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 14, 2021 14:46:20 GMT -5
We in the UK are speeding up our vaccine program because we have quite a big seeding of the Indian variant B.1.617.2 Its more infectious than the UK variant B117 and we think it will soon become our dominant variant.(tripled in a week) Just how much more infectious could have an effect on how quickly we open up....... or whether we get another surge. Our older and vulnerable, who are vaccinated, seem to be getting protection from the vaccine...... but younger ones may spread it around. That is what is so scary to me. We seem to have lost steam for vaccines in the US and it is maddening The only way to get to heard immunity is to have enough people with enough brains to get vaccinated.
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Post by billisonboard on May 14, 2021 14:53:35 GMT -5
Yep, we just bought our tickets last night. Our theater was very clear about the rules - everyone masked, no exceptions. I am assuming that is patrons and does not include the performers. Went to what was close to a Reader's Theater performance ( Molly Sweeney) and the performers wore face sheilds which were attached to neck rings as opposed to the normal forehead holders. Socially distanced audience was masked.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 14, 2021 14:59:44 GMT -5
We're still getting 10-20 deaths a day attributed to covid in our state and most of them are people age 70 and above, yet the state has an 87% vaccination rate for age 65+ and we've been through that age group for a long time, so all well past the two weeks post second shot. I'd really love for them to start reporting vaccinated vs. not with the data.
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Post by billisonboard on May 14, 2021 15:05:17 GMT -5
We're still getting 10-20 deaths a day attributed to covid in our state and most of them are people age 70 and above, yet the state has an 87% vaccination rate for age 65+ and we've been through that age group for a long time, so all well past the two weeks post second shot. I'd really love for them to start reporting vaccinated vs. not with the data. Also need to factor in diagnosis date. COVID doesn't kill quickly.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 14, 2021 16:15:20 GMT -5
Spellbound454 , I think that this is a good time to tell you how grateful I am for you being on the thread and telling us what's going on on the other side of the pond. Your warnings about the variants that are circulating in the UK and the measures necessary to keep them under control are doing a lot to prepare us for what is very likely coming our way. I'm particularly grateful for the heads up because I live in Michigan which seems to get hit early by anything that is circulating in Europe. It makes no sense to me that this quite provincial place seems to get hit pretty much at the same time as NYC and harder than Chicago, but that's happened twice so far and I fully expect it to happen again.
You are my warning system for the variant that demonstrates immune escape. New York can't warn us on time and Michigan doesn't have the genomic testing capacity to even verify that a bad trend was accompanied by a new variant.
Sure...... they are doing a lot of genome testing and the situation is fluid at the moment We wont really know what to expect for a couple of weeks. The vaccines do seem to be holding out and the other variants we have are not spreading. Our definition of a disaster is when the Hospitals can't cope (I'll expect yours is the same) and if the vaccines can keep people out of Hospital that would be a great help.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 14, 2021 16:22:36 GMT -5
There are still people saying that we are reporting another variant as part of a government plan for subjugation (keeping us locked down).... and a New World Order. I'm well past finding it amusing.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 14, 2021 16:22:51 GMT -5
We're still getting 10-20 deaths a day attributed to covid in our state and most of them are people age 70 and above, yet the state has an 87% vaccination rate for age 65+ and we've been through that age group for a long time, so all well past the two weeks post second shot. I'd really love for them to start reporting vaccinated vs. not with the data. I will repost the statistics from my area. 0.016% of vaccinated people have tested positive for coronavirus. Of those, 13% required hospitalization, and 1% died. Anecdotally, I have not seen a single fully vaccinated patient in the ICU. All of our patients who had coronavirus in the last 6 weeks have been unvaccinated. The vaccines tremendously effective. I am comfortable that the risk of serious illness this if you have an intact immune system and are fully vaccinated is quite low. If this causes a an illness like the common cold, society can get back to normal. We cannot keep up all of these restrictions forever. People will not comply. And frankly, if you are unwilling to be vaccinated, you own your risk. People with a decreased immune system will need to figure out their risk tolerance. Unfair for them, but it is where we are since not everyone is willing t be vaccinated
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 14, 2021 16:29:59 GMT -5
In addition, a study in healthcare workers showed the vaccine to be 97% effective. The real world data appears to be consistent with the initial studies. It is actually an amazing vaccine. Better than any of us thought possible for a first attempt
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 14, 2021 17:11:05 GMT -5
I get all that, but 12% of our 65 and older population seems like it would be a really small number. It seems weird to me that we'd still be getting that many deaths a day from them, but maybe there are more old people here than I think.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 17:20:57 GMT -5
I do not know the rate of asymptotic transmission in vaccinated people, but it is quite low. Breakthrough infections happen, but way less than 1% with a corresponding fall in risk of hospitalization and death. If we had a high uptake of vaccination, there would be few hospitalizations and deaths Over 100 million people have been vaccinated in the US. Serious side effects are uncommon. We have more data on short term side effects on this vaccine than any other in history. Risks in 12-15 yo appear to be similar to adults. We do not and will not know long term effects for some time. I would be comfortable vaccinating my 12 yo. Not participating in the effort to control this makes you part of the “free rider” problem. The response to this requires us to all do our part. Unfortunately, we failed at this The one thing that we DO know is that some people are left with possibly permanent organ damage after a bad infection. I have a friend whose case of covid has left her needing a pacemaker as there was enough damage to her heart that her heartbeat goes all over the place. This is more than 6 months after her infection - where she was only hospitalized a couple days. She is 35 years old. Some how, I'm thinking that the possible long term side effects from the vaccine are not going to be near as bad as the probable long term side effects of getting covid. As I've mentioned here before, I have a 30-something friend who's been told to wait 2 years for re-evaluation before attempting to conceive because her heart and lungs may not not be able to support a pregnancy. She was a very fit and athletic woman and never hospitalized.
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