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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 18:20:25 GMT -5
And I have not seen a definitive, factual, science-based, quote-the-source statement that vaccinated persons can't transmit the virus as asymptomatic carriers.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 13, 2021 20:12:19 GMT -5
The director and I were discussing whether we allow vaccinated patrons to go maskless, how to verify, etc, if the state lifts the mask mandate. She's trying to get ahead of the issue, because we know some will be raring to go barefaced.
I don't want to be checking passports, most here won't be using the NY app, on principle or because we are smartphone-less. We just quit taking temps!
We are also catering to children, who can't yet get vaxxed, so I vote for everyone masks, for the sake of the kids, and fairness. Of course, the board of trustees has final say, but their next meeting isn't for a few months...
Not 2 hours later (after director left for the day), I get the question: when will you be lifting the mask requirement, now that *they* have said we don't need them indoors? Umm, Cuomo hasn't lifted the state mandate, yet!
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Post by jerseygirl on May 13, 2021 20:27:10 GMT -5
Jerseyguy going to cardiologist Monday, I can go with him as long as I show vaccine card. masks still required as CDC said masks in hospitals doctors offices etc But happy I can go with him
I’ve never worn masks outside, but here in north NJ, every store has 100% masks . I’ve never been in store and seen person w/o mask. Of course I’ve not really been out and about much
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 13, 2021 20:34:45 GMT -5
My kids can't be vaxed yet, so I will continue to wear one with them. I've rarely worn them outdoors this whole time. I've seen little need except for crowded conditions, which I almost always simply avoid. I wear one when I watch them play soccer, because its a rule, and also they have to. If they're required to wear one running around, i can certainly wear one when im just sitting on my ass.
(I wonder when under 12 will be approved for the vax.)
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 13, 2021 21:05:41 GMT -5
Our governor lifted the state mask mandate tonight 6 weeks ahead of schedule. It's going to be weird for awhile because businesses can choose to require them or not, so we'll still have to carry one with everywhere.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 13, 2021 21:15:46 GMT -5
Well, this evening turned interesting.
We were at happy hour with a bunch of people, everyone vaccinated but one. That unvaccinated person asked if another in the group would mind if we could get together at his house for a wine tasting. The guy he asked has a wife in a wheelchair, with MS and is immune compromised. He pretty much gave an unequivocal ‘no’ after he found out that guy still is not vaccinated.
The guy he asked has been incredibly careful around his wife, rightly so. I can’t imagine how unvaccinated guy thought it was ok to ask.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 13, 2021 21:17:07 GMT -5
And I have not seen a definitive, factual, science-based, quote-the-source statement that vaccinated persons can't transmit the virus as asymptomatic carriers. You won’t. You can’t prove a negative.
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Post by thyme4change on May 13, 2021 21:39:49 GMT -5
I went to Target. The pharmacist was aggressively looking for someone to take a vaccine. He had some that would go bad, and the store closes in 2 hours.
Everyone we know is vaccinated. Sorry dude.
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Post by azucena on May 14, 2021 2:13:32 GMT -5
And I have not seen a definitive, factual, science-based, quote-the-source statement that vaccinated persons can't transmit the virus as asymptomatic carriers. You won’t. You can’t prove a negative. Not being a smartass, but have we seen evidence that vaccinated persons can transmit the virus? With DH and I both vaccinated, I'm trying to figure out if we can bring it home to DD12 and 8. I'm also having a hard time saying yes to DD12 getting an appt just yet. My mind says let a month or so of that age group go by. I also want to call our ped and check in. So tired of virus decision making.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 14, 2021 5:52:34 GMT -5
You won’t. You can’t prove a negative. Not being a smartass, but have we seen evidence that vaccinated persons can transmit the virus? With DH and I both vaccinated, I'm trying to figure out if we can bring it home to DD12 and 8. I'm also having a hard time saying yes to DD12 getting an appt just yet. My mind says let a month or so of that age group go by. I also want to call our ped and check in. So tired of virus decision making. The likelihood that vaccination will prevent transmission 100% is highly unlikely. Just as there have been breakthrough cases. In baseball, the Yankees have had 85% of their personnel vaccinated. The have had 7-8 people test positive. Most were asymptotic. 1 had mild symptoms I think. From what I read, they received the J and J vaccine. So, I suspect you will see some asymptotic infections and spread
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Post by azucena on May 14, 2021 6:17:37 GMT -5
Thanks doc. I'm a numbers nerd but not looking for 100%. If you had to opine, is it 80%, 50%? Numbers do help me find perspective. And if you had a 12 yo, would you get her vaccinated right away? I realize I'm asking a lot anonymously, but I'm in the gathering input stage
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Post by movingforward on May 14, 2021 7:16:14 GMT -5
Our governor lifted the state mask mandate tonight 6 weeks ahead of schedule. It's going to be weird for awhile because businesses can choose to require them or not, so we'll still have to carry one with everywhere. Our governor lifted the mask mandate 2 months ago but most all businesses kept it in place. At some point businesses are going to have to start lifting it as a lot of people are now starting to get vaccinated. I am comfortable no longer wearing one so I will stop as soon as I don't have to, but I have this fear that people are going to think I'm an anti-masker asshole or something. It's been so ingrained in society now that if you don't wear a mask you're just a jackass.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 14, 2021 7:25:52 GMT -5
Our high school is hosting a vaccine clinic for 12 and up on Monday, and I'm happy to report that I just got a text that it is full.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 14, 2021 7:38:04 GMT -5
For the time being, I will continue to mask up indoors. Way too many anti-vaxxers in my neck of the woods.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 14, 2021 7:50:58 GMT -5
You won’t. You can’t prove a negative. Not being a smartass, but have we seen evidence that vaccinated persons can transmit the virus? With DH and I both vaccinated, I'm trying to figure out if we can bring it home to DD12 and 8. I'm also having a hard time saying yes to DD12 getting an appt just yet. My mind says let a month or so of that age group go by. I also want to call our ped and check in. So tired of virus decision making. I do not know the rate of asymptotic transmission in vaccinated people, but it is quite low. Breakthrough infections happen, but way less than 1% with a corresponding fall in risk of hospitalization and death. If we had a high uptake of vaccination, there would be few hospitalizations and deaths Over 100 million people have been vaccinated in the US. Serious side effects are uncommon. We have more data on short term side effects on this vaccine than any other in history. Risks in 12-15 yo appear to be similar to adults. We do not and will not know long term effects for some time. I would be comfortable vaccinating my 12 yo. Not participating in the effort to control this makes you part of the “free rider” problem. The response to this requires us to all do our part. Unfortunately, we failed at this
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Post by raeoflyte on May 14, 2021 7:54:35 GMT -5
Ill get ds vaccinated the moment he turns 12, and would now if I could. I know that doesn't help much azucena, but I feel his risk from covid is so much higher than possible vaccine risks. He's our highest risk person anyway. Once he's vaccinated I think Ill breathe easier, even though we're still waiting for dd to be eligible.
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Post by raeoflyte on May 14, 2021 8:05:20 GMT -5
Colorado has 49.5% population with 1 dose, 39.4% with both. Almost 28% of the population is under 16. Maybe with a good percentage of kids vaccinated we'll be in ok shape?
New cases have been steadily in the 1200 range for the past 2 months. Higher than the after christmas drop, way higher than last summer.
I feel like dropping the mask mandate is locking my mom back in quarantine. She's vaccinated and has gone to a couple stores, got her nails done, and even went to a knitting group, but only because she's vaccinated, she could distance and mask while out. I know she's an outlier, and we can't regulate based on extremes, but it feels pretty hopeless that she'll ever be safe.
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Post by azucena on May 14, 2021 8:11:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. I think another thing on my mind about it is that DH and I both went down for the count for a full day after the vaccine. Going to be hard to watch DD do that, but I guess I can schedule around it.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 14, 2021 9:17:34 GMT -5
You won’t. You can’t prove a negative. Not being a smartass, but have we seen evidence that vaccinated persons can transmit the virus? With DH and I both vaccinated, I'm trying to figure out if we can bring it home to DD12 and 8. I'm also having a hard time saying yes to DD12 getting an appt just yet. My mind says let a month or so of that age group go by. I also want to call our ped and check in. So tired of virus decision making. The risk is lower, but all the info I have seen is that it is looking unlikely. The difficulty in determining this is the failure of the tests. All of the tests screen for a virus, and they cannot discern live vs dead. If a person has an exposure and their vaccinated immune system has killed the virus and prevented disease, they may have a positive test, no disease and are shedding dead virus. We had a recent exposure in a nursing home. 19 cases (did not discern between positive test or cases of illness), 6 were vaccinated and a very elderly man died. From my understanding, if a facility like this has one active case the whole facility gets tested. So there may have been exposures listed as cases. This distinction seems trite, but it’s not. My niece had covid, a pretty bad case (before vaccine came out). She had close exposure with a case last month. My niece tested positive/negative/positive. She did not get sick, nada. So she likely picked up the virus, her immune system worked as it should have, but testing still lists her as having caught it again.
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Post by haapai on May 14, 2021 9:18:04 GMT -5
It took a while for this to sink in, but the change in CDC masking guidance really increases the value of being fully vaccinated and being able to avoid quarantining after exposure to someone with Covid (as long as you do not have symptoms).
Those exposure leaves are usually unpaid and they do add up to lots of lost pay or burned time off. I'm an essential worker and I have colleagues who have already quarantined two or three times. It can add up to lots of lost pay and vacation and disgusted, skeptical coworkers.
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Post by Ryan on May 14, 2021 9:49:23 GMT -5
I'm confused by the CDC recommendations on the mask wearing. Not so much their recommendation as to what it means at the state level. My state said they will ease mask wearing to allow with the CDC recommendations at some point in the near future. Does that mean that it's the honor system?
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Post by teen persuasion on May 14, 2021 9:53:28 GMT -5
It took a while for this to sink in, but the change in CDC masking guidance really increases the value of being fully vaccinated and being able to avoid quarantining after exposure to someone with Covid (as long as you do not have symptoms).
Those exposure leaves are usually unpaid and they do add up to lots of lost pay or burned time off. I'm an essential worker and I have colleagues who have already quarantined two or three times. It can add up to lots of lost pay and vacation and disgusted, skeptical coworkers. It will be interesting how this plays out with schools, too. DS5 is fully vaccinated, today (2 weeks post second shot). So in theory he wouldn't need to quarantine again if he were exposed, again. Coworker's DH teaches in the MS (so younger kids, not yet vaxxed) and he says there's a bunch of G8s out. No idea who are positive cases or just exposed. The ES and MS had recently gone back to everyone 4 days a week, because they can stay in a classroom pod and just the teachers push in. The HS stayed 1/2 numbers hybrid, because there's too much switching of classes. But now, if they can get the entire HS vaxxed (yeah, right), in theory the HS is in better position to reopen fully.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 14, 2021 9:53:58 GMT -5
It took a while for this to sink in, but the change in CDC masking guidance really increases the value of being fully vaccinated and being able to avoid quarantining after exposure to someone with Covid (as long as you do not have symptoms).
Those exposure leaves are usually unpaid and they do add up to lots of lost pay or burned time off. I'm an essential worker and I have colleagues who have already quarantined two or three times. It can add up to lots of lost pay and vacation and disgusted, skeptical coworkers. Yeah I've been mulling thing with DH and a coworker. We are never going to get the die hard anti-vaxxers anymore than you can get them on other more established vaccines. However I know A LOT of people who are on the fence/burned out who don't see the point of getting vaccinated if they are going to have to keep things the same. Why take the risk of the vaccine when I can just keep going as is for the indefinite future. We need to reach those people and dangling the carrot of not having to wear masks anymore just may do it. I go back and forth with my personal views on masks at the current moment. I REALLY want to take the damn thing off and know at some point I am going to need to move on. At the same time I feel incredibly guilty and my brain doesn't want to let go of it's security blanket. I am severely burned out on decision making.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 14, 2021 10:02:31 GMT -5
I'm confused by the CDC recommendations on the mask wearing. Not so much their recommendation as to what it means at the state level. My state said they will ease mask wearing to allow with the CDC recommendations at some point in the near future. Does that mean that it's the honor system? State, local, business rules trump the CDC recommendations. But, yeah, it sounds like it's the honor system, especially for states that are actively banning vaccination verification apps. I don't want to be the mask/vax police at work for patrons coming in the door! So we may just continue to require masks as the fairest default until all children can get vaxxed (public library). But right now we are still under a state mask mandate, so not our call, yet.
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Post by billisonboard on May 14, 2021 10:03:45 GMT -5
I have worked hard to find masks that accent my stylish wardrobe. And now, just because I got a couple of shots, I am supposed to stick them in a drawer and not wear them. I don't think so. Fashion before function is my motto!
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Post by mollyanna58 on May 14, 2021 10:10:29 GMT -5
I'm confused by the CDC recommendations on the mask wearing. Not so much their recommendation as to what it means at the state level. My state said they will ease mask wearing to allow with the CDC recommendations at some point in the near future. Does that mean that it's the honor system? My guess would be yes. Too many people up in arms over the idea of "vaccine passports".
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Post by bean29 on May 14, 2021 10:37:40 GMT -5
I'm confused by the CDC recommendations on the mask wearing. Not so much their recommendation as to what it means at the state level. My state said they will ease mask wearing to allow with the CDC recommendations at some point in the near future. Does that mean that it's the honor system? State, local, business rules trump the CDC recommendations. But, yeah, it sounds like it's the honor system, especially for states that are actively banning vaccination verification apps. I don't want to be the mask/vax police at work for patrons coming in the door! So we may just continue to require masks as the fairest default until all children can get vaxxed (public library). But right now we are still under a state mask mandate, so not our call, yet. My state (WI) is controlled by republicans, so they have banned vaccine verification and lifted the mask mandate. I think stores can still require masks for entry though. I saw the Brewers will go to full capacity sometime in June (They just went to 50% like a week ago). I am vaccinated, so I really don't want to wear a mask, and don't care if others are wearing it. I feel I am being respectful of others especially imuno compromised individuals by wearing a mask in stores - they have no way of knowing who is vaccinated and who is not, so this gives people a measure of safety/comfort so they can go out and about. I think banning vaccine verification is the wrong move. It should be allowed. You want to go to a Concert/Theatre/Amusement Park/Travel and or Go on a cruise? Get your damn vaccine.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 14, 2021 11:11:59 GMT -5
Not being a smartass, but have we seen evidence that vaccinated persons can transmit the virus? With DH and I both vaccinated, I'm trying to figure out if we can bring it home to DD12 and 8. I'm also having a hard time saying yes to DD12 getting an appt just yet. My mind says let a month or so of that age group go by. I also want to call our ped and check in. So tired of virus decision making. I do not know the rate of asymptotic transmission in vaccinated people, but it is quite low. Breakthrough infections happen, but way less than 1% with a corresponding fall in risk of hospitalization and death. If we had a high uptake of vaccination, there would be few hospitalizations and deaths Over 100 million people have been vaccinated in the US. Serious side effects are uncommon. We have more data on short term side effects on this vaccine than any other in history. Risks in 12-15 yo appear to be similar to adults. We do not and will not know long term effects for some time. I would be comfortable vaccinating my 12 yo. Not participating in the effort to control this makes you part of the “free rider” problem. The response to this requires us to all do our part. Unfortunately, we failed at this The one thing that we DO know is that some people are left with possibly permanent organ damage after a bad infection. I have a friend whose case of covid has left her needing a pacemaker as there was enough damage to her heart that her heartbeat goes all over the place. This is more than 6 months after her infection - where she was only hospitalized a couple days. She is 35 years old. Some how, I'm thinking that the possible long term side effects from the vaccine are not going to be near as bad as the probable long term side effects of getting covid.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 14, 2021 11:20:59 GMT -5
When I was buying the car the other day, the finance guy said both he and his wife had COVID after they attended a family Thanksgiving. He got off easy but she is a long hauler. Said he has no idea of when she will be back to her self again, if ever. He did not go in to details but it didn't sound good.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 14, 2021 11:29:16 GMT -5
Hersheypark posted it would be up to guests to follow the rules based on their vaccination status. I'm pretty sure an amusement park falls under a crowded situation in which Dr Fauci said even vaccinated people should still mask up.
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