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Post by Ryan on May 2, 2021 9:57:55 GMT -5
My company has warehouses all over the country and the one local to me is paying $19/hour, you can pick the shift you want to work, full benefits, 40 hours, overtime available, clear career path (if you wanted it), and plenty of paid vacation time. It's interesting because I just looked at the job listing and they sell the job about 100x more than they do for white collar jobs. Still, they can't find people to work there. I think there is a lot of competition for these workers, but also maybe just an overall shortage. Sounds like a good wage to me, but who knows.
I find it a little hard to believe that people are just staying on unemployment, but maybe people are choosing that because working+goofy school schedules is more difficult than staying on unemployment for awhile.
Still though, I wonder if the prices you get for certain services are a reflection of not being to find work in any industry that's not white collar. I got a quote for a drainage project where they were going put a catch basin on a low point right by my driveway, and move the water away from there by running the pipe under the driveway (requiring them to remove about 5 inches and then repour it), and then run the pipe out to the street (15 feet or so). They were going to do 1 other small project and the entire thing was quoted at $7500. I didn't do anything with the quote, I'm assuming that I could get a new driveway for that price.
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Post by empress of self-improvement on May 2, 2021 9:58:44 GMT -5
I am so oblivious. Is there anything I'm not supposed to do before my first shot? Wasn't there something about not taking painkillers? Correct. No OTC painkillers. You can take them afterwards if needed.Thank you. I couldn't remember.
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2021 9:58:53 GMT -5
So perhaps it is time to rethink the whole thing. People aren't motivated to do crap work at "not living large but not poverty level wages". One solution is certainly to starve them into taking any job. Another would be to increase wages and benefits to whatever point that the jobs are filled. That would take resources away from middle and upper management but they would need to adjust. Could even mean they would be motivated to move into those now more desirable jobs. So how do we decide that? DH and I were able to buy our house and have two kids with me making the apparently lowly wage of $17/he and he was making $10/hr. We had health insurance, retirement, paid for daycare and could go on vacation. What do we decide is a suitable wage/life? If I can afford all my needs and some of my wants at $16/he here is that unacceptable because I couldn't in New York? Who gets to decide what is I need/want? We can all agree on the basics like food and shelter. Transportation of some sort. Some of us throw in things like health insurance, daycare and college. But where from there? There is grinding poverty in the US and elsewhere. To me where it gets murky is when we get past that what do we decide people are owed? ... increase wages and benefits to whatever point that the jobs are filled. I get to decide when the benefit of taking a particular job is with doing so. If "we" think a task needs to be done, "we" need to pay what it takes to have someone do it. If it truly necessary for McDonalds to be open in the morning, invest the resources needed to make it happen.
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Post by movingforward on May 2, 2021 10:02:20 GMT -5
My company has warehouses all over the country and the one local to me is paying $19/hour, you can pick the shift you want to work, full benefits, 40 hours, overtime available, clear career path (if you wanted it), and plenty of paid vacation time. It's interesting because I just looked at the job listing and they sell the job about 100x more than they do for white collar jobs. Still, they can't find people to work there. I think there is a lot of competition for these workers, but also maybe just an overall shortage. Sounds like a good wage to me, but who knows. I find it a little hard to believe that people are just staying on unemployment, but maybe people are choosing that because working+goofy school schedules is more difficult than staying on unemployment for awhile. Still though, I wonder if the prices you get for certain services are a reflection of not being to find work in any industry that's not white collar. I got a quote for a drainage project where they were going put a catch basin on a low point right by my driveway, and move the water away from there by running the pipe under the driveway (requiring them to remove about 5 inches and then repour it), and then run the pipe out to the street (15 feet or so). They were going to do 1 other small project and the entire thing was quoted at $7500. I didn't do anything with the quote, I'm assuming that I could get a new driveway for that price. I actually think you probably hit on something with the school stuff, at least for some. Those that can work from home or work white collar jobs with a lot of flexibility can deal much better with goofy school schedules and homeschooling. Other people don't have that luxury.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 2, 2021 10:08:29 GMT -5
My company has warehouses all over the country and the one local to me is paying $19/hour, you can pick the shift you want to work, full benefits, 40 hours, overtime available, clear career path (if you wanted it), and plenty of paid vacation time. It's interesting because I just looked at the job listing and they sell the job about 100x more than they do for white collar jobs. Still, they can't find people to work there. I think there is a lot of competition for these workers, but also maybe just an overall shortage. Sounds like a good wage to me, but who knows. I find it a little hard to believe that people are just staying on unemployment, but maybe people are choosing that because working+goofy school schedules is more difficult than staying on unemployment for awhile. Still though, I wonder if the prices you get for certain services are a reflection of not being to find work in any industry that's not white collar. I got a quote for a drainage project where they were going put a catch basin on a low point right by my driveway, and move the water away from there by running the pipe under the driveway (requiring them to remove about 5 inches and then repour it), and then run the pipe out to the street (15 feet or so). They were going to do 1 other small project and the entire thing was quoted at $7500. I didn't do anything with the quote, I'm assuming that I could get a new driveway for that price. I actually think you probably hit on something with the school stuff, at least for some. Those that can work from home or work white collar jobs with a lot of flexibility can deal much better with goofy school schedules and homeschooling. Other people don't have that luxury. I know a lot of people forced out due to school. I know people who have elderly relatives who understandably have not made the decision to move them into care. Daycares shut down here to all but a handful of current clients. It was already at the point you needed to reserve a slot while you were still in daycare now it's even worse. Most jobs are not set up for having your kids with you. We are lucky DH was sent home and my parents were still willing to babysit. If that hadn't happened depending on our jobs tough decisions would have needed to be made. Probably not going to happen but with companies considering not having office people return perhaps some of that space could be converted so those on site could bring their kids. If I had an office I could let my school age kids do homework in there. I can't have them in the lab.
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2021 10:08:55 GMT -5
So perhaps it is time to rethink the whole thing. People aren't motivated to do crap work at "not living large but not poverty level wages". One solution is certainly to starve them into taking any job. Another would be to increase wages and benefits to whatever point that the jobs are filled. That would take resources away from middle and upper management but they would need to adjust. Could even mean they would be motivated to move into those now more desirable jobs. The first thing we should do is stop paying people an insane amount to sit home. People are lazy by nature. I can assure that if I could make more sitting home than I could working, my butt would be home. The $600 additional was too much in my opinion but was felt necessary by the previous Congress and the Trump Administration. The current $300 passed by the current Congress and signed by President Biden is more reasonable. But that totally avoids the point of my post.
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2021 10:15:03 GMT -5
Sounds like a good wage to me, but who knows. Have "you" (generic you) considered transferring to that job? If yes, it would be a good wage for the job. If not, why not?
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Post by Ryan on May 2, 2021 10:27:33 GMT -5
Sounds like a good wage to me, but who knows. Have "you" (generic you) considered transferring to that job? If yes, it would be a good wage for the job. If not, why not? No, I'm saying it sounds good for someone that has a HS degree and no training. I don't fit into either of those buckets, so I have other options. Like I said, I don't know what is common for that type of work.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 2, 2021 10:38:21 GMT -5
Sounds like a good wage to me, but who knows. Have "you" (generic you) considered transferring to that job? If yes, it would be a good wage for the job. If not, why not? Cause I can't meet the physical requirements and you really don't want me on a forklift. My husband has volunteered to start running the punch press at his company. He has the skills. Life took him in a different direction over time as technology changed and less jobs in field became available. However he recognizes no punch operator no sales job. Advertising he has these skills and is willing to step in makes him more valuable. ] I will say that's a dying skill like printing press operation but if you have those skills or are willing to learn you cam command your salary. He is absolutely willing to go back to it so we can keep a roof over our head. It's not that hard physically anymore. You are a button pusher robots do all the heavy stuff. I think those roles are partially going unfilled because the nose up turning in regards to non white collar jobs is starting to catch up to us.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 2, 2021 10:47:36 GMT -5
oooo - where is the vaccinated thread?
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Post by pooks on May 2, 2021 11:03:02 GMT -5
My city is having a pretty severe labor shortage. Help wanted signs everywhere, several Facebook posts begging for employees, stores cutting open hours because of lack of staff, and news articles written about specifics businesses. Our unemployment rate is 3.8%. I don't think our problem is the unemployment benefits, though many employers seem to think that. My guess is that people found other work and don't want to go back to the places with crap wages that laid off heavily during the shut downs. So during a world wide pandemic a bunch of unskilled people went out and found other jobs at a time when retail and restaurants were operating at 50%, airlines were drastically cutting people, hotels sat empty, no events of any kind were happening, bars were shutdown, etc.? Amazon happened to be opening a big warehouse in my area at the beginning of the shutdown and then opened up some other sort center, whatever that is, plus hired a bunch of delivery drivers. Construction is also really booming, if you can swing a hammer, you can get a job. Those are the 2 that restaurants say their ex employees went to.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 2, 2021 11:28:49 GMT -5
oooo - where is the vaccinated thread? That was so April 2021.....lol
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Post by empress of self-improvement on May 2, 2021 13:10:34 GMT -5
Stab 1 done and over. Now trying to decide if i want to make a couple stops on my way home. I get stab 2 on the 23rd. Yay!
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Post by movingforward on May 2, 2021 14:11:40 GMT -5
So during a world wide pandemic a bunch of unskilled people went out and found other jobs at a time when retail and restaurants were operating at 50%, airlines were drastically cutting people, hotels sat empty, no events of any kind were happening, bars were shutdown, etc.? Amazon happened to be opening a big warehouse in my area at the beginning of the shutdown and then opened up some other sort center, whatever that is, plus hired a bunch of delivery drivers. Construction is also really booming, if you can swing a hammer, you can get a job. Those are the 2 that restaurants say their ex employees went to. Got it. That makes sense on a local level. I was thinking more nationally. I just heard on the radio that we could have sporadic gas shortages throughout the summer due to not enough tanker drivers. I wonder if a lot went to driving for Amazon and FedEx during the pandemic.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 2, 2021 14:38:08 GMT -5
Amazon happened to be opening a big warehouse in my area at the beginning of the shutdown and then opened up some other sort center, whatever that is, plus hired a bunch of delivery drivers. Construction is also really booming, if you can swing a hammer, you can get a job. Those are the 2 that restaurants say their ex employees went to. Got it. That makes sense on a local level. I was thinking more nationally. I just heard on the radio that we could have sporadic gas shortages throughout the summer due to not enough tanker drivers. I wonder if a lot went to driving for Amazon and FedEx during the pandemic. I would think they are two different types of drivers. One of the companies that I worked for last year (the parent owners several companies) was a gas/propane/oil distribution company. Those drivers needed a hazmat license and got paid more than an Amazon/fedex driver.
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Post by ners on May 2, 2021 15:14:56 GMT -5
Amazon happened to be opening a big warehouse in my area at the beginning of the shutdown and then opened up some other sort center, whatever that is, plus hired a bunch of delivery drivers. Construction is also really booming, if you can swing a hammer, you can get a job. Those are the 2 that restaurants say their ex employees went to. Got it. That makes sense on a local level. I was thinking more nationally. I just heard on the radio that we could have sporadic gas shortages throughout the summer due to not enough tanker drivers. I wonder if a lot went to driving for Amazon and FedEx during the pandemic. I have read there is specialty training. Many of the driving schools were shut down due to Covid.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 2, 2021 16:00:46 GMT -5
So much has changed over the last year. I am reading Covid articles about many different countries as I have family, friends, acquintances in many places. Today I was reading an article about Thailand with photos from Bangkok. People were standing in line, masked, 6 feet apart to get their shots and it took me time to realize what was off in addition to the fact that the BKK I lived in was maskless -> there was no crush of people trying to get to the front off the line. We, or at least I, are/am now so used to this seeing people distancing that it has become the expected norm for people around the world. Proof that people can change.
Maybe we should use what we learned and apply this to other areas of our society (suppar minimum wage, institutional discrimination, gun violence be it by civilians or police, etc.) so we come out of this a better, more caring, society. We should not squander this opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 16:56:53 GMT -5
So much has changed over the last year. I am reading Covid articles about many different countries as I have family, friends, acquintances in many places. Today I was reading an article about Thailand with photos from Bangkok. People were standing in line, masked, 6 feet apart to get their shots and it took me time to realize what was off in addition to the fact that the BKK I lived in was maskless -> there was no crush of people trying to get to the front off the line. We, or at least I, are/am now so used to this seeing people distancing that it has become the expected norm for people around the world. Proof that people can change. Maybe we should use what we learned and apply this to other areas of our society (suppar minimum wage, institutional discrimination, gun violence be it by civilians or police, etc.) so we come out of this a better, more caring, society. We should not squander this opportunity.
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Post by mollyanna58 on May 2, 2021 17:12:07 GMT -5
Correct. No OTC painkillers. You can take them afterwards if needed.Thank you. I couldn't remember. When I got the first shot, the pharmacy tech said to massage the injection site and to move my arm around frequently for that day. I think she also said only acetaminophen (Tylenol).
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 17:30:54 GMT -5
The paperwork we got with our shots (Moderna) said no painkillers before or after. I think DH took a Tylenol after and no blame on him, but I don't take any pain meds so didn't.
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Post by tallguy on May 2, 2021 18:02:33 GMT -5
newest data shows 30% in my zipcode fully vaccinated. I'm getting pfizer#2 in a few hours. Hope I can have a nice evening before any ill effects come into play. 28 hours after my second, so right about the same time as yours. Mild soreness if I raise my arm up, but nothing otherwise. Nothing at all after the first injection either.
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2021 21:49:46 GMT -5
Sounds like a good wage to me, but who knows. Have "you" (generic you) considered transferring to that job? If yes, it would be a good wage for the job. If not, why not? No, I'm saying it sounds good for someone that has a HS degree and no training. I don't fit into either of those buckets, so I have other options. Like I said, I don't know what is common for that type of work. If jobs aren't being filled, they don't "sound good" to those who do fit into those buckets. As the other buckets get filled more and more, what is "common" wages need to adjust to fit supply and demand.
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Post by mamasita99 on May 3, 2021 7:05:57 GMT -5
No, I'm saying it sounds good for someone that has a HS degree and no training. I don't fit into either of those buckets, so I have other options. Like I said, I don't know what is common for that type of work. If jobs aren't being filled, they don't "sound good" to those who do fit into those buckets. As the other buckets get filled more and more, what is "common" wages need to adjust to fit supply and demand. For the blue collar/ full time positions that can’t find employees, It could be insecurity of the position. how long is the job going to be around? Til something else changes with the pandemic? Til they are all caught up on orders? That would be a big concern of mine, employees can feel pretty disposable. Or it could truly be a shit job. My DD just got her first W2 job as a hostess at a very nice restaurant for $15/hour. She could probably make more at a fast food restaurant these days, but conditions would suck big time. However, if she was a main earner at home, for the right pay she might overcome the suckiness of the position. If it’s important enough for these places to get workers, they have to have conditions that make them competitive. Minimum wage places are used to giving the bare minimum to workers, who should be “grateful” for a job, that they freak out when the market gets a bit competitive.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 3, 2021 8:09:24 GMT -5
No, I'm saying it sounds good for someone that has a HS degree and no training. I don't fit into either of those buckets, so I have other options. Like I said, I don't know what is common for that type of work. If jobs aren't being filled, they don't "sound good" to those who do fit into those buckets. As the other buckets get filled more and more, what is "common" wages need to adjust to fit supply and demand. The whole supply and demand, increase wages until you get workers is fine, but I think the whole "base pay for all" kind of messes it up. Like I said, I would prefer getting paid to do nothing than work any job. How come I can't just quit my job and get unemployment, but people on unemployment don't have to take the jobs available?
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2021 8:32:23 GMT -5
If jobs aren't being filled, they don't "sound good" to those who do fit into those buckets. As the other buckets get filled more and more, what is "common" wages need to adjust to fit supply and demand. The whole supply and demand, increase wages until you get workers is fine, but I think the whole "base pay for all" kind of messes it up. Like I said, I would prefer getting paid to do nothing than work any job. How come I can't just quit my job and get unemployment, but people on unemployment don't have to take the jobs available? Yes, not having an accept any job or starve on the street system messes with supply and demand.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 3, 2021 8:40:24 GMT -5
The whole supply and demand, increase wages until you get workers is fine, but I think the whole "base pay for all" kind of messes it up. Like I said, I would prefer getting paid to do nothing than work any job. How come I can't just quit my job and get unemployment, but people on unemployment don't have to take the jobs available? Yes, not having an accept any job or starve on the street system messes with supply and demand. Again, I hate my job. Why can't I go on unemployment?
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2021 8:42:59 GMT -5
Yes, not having an accept any job or starve on the street system messes with supply and demand. Again, I hate my job. Why can't I go on unemployment? The cards didn't fall that way.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 3, 2021 8:43:40 GMT -5
Again, I hate my job. Why can't I go on unemployment? The cards didn't fall that way.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 3, 2021 8:48:15 GMT -5
The whole supply and demand, increase wages until you get workers is fine, but I think the whole "base pay for all" kind of messes it up. Like I said, I would prefer getting paid to do nothing than work any job. How come I can't just quit my job and get unemployment, but people on unemployment don't have to take the jobs available? Yes, not having an accept any job or starve on the street system messes with supply and demand. You don't starve at $15-$18 dollars here. $30k a year for a single person does not have you homeless. You can own a two bedroom house in several locations around here on that an no it's not a hovel in.a crime ridden hellscape. DH and I only made $75k combined for years. We had two kids during that and bought the house. If $17-19 isn't good enough then what is?
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2021 8:50:10 GMT -5
Yes, not having an accept any job or starve on the street system messes with supply and demand. You don't starve at $15-$18 dollars here. $30k a year for a single person does not have you homeless. You can own a two bedroom house in several locations around here on that an no it's not a hovel in.a crime ridden hellscape. DH and I only made $75k combined for years. We had two kids during that and bought the house. If $17-19 isn't good enough then what is? Yes. Accept a job or ...
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